Gameday Open Thread: Thunder vs. Blazers--Post-Game
by Dave on Feb 9, 2010 9:30 PM PST
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Don't worry about this game
Every team has bad shooting nights. The players will get a little time off to recharge their batteries soon.
This is very true.
Combine that with the fact that we have also had some great wins that we probably shouldn’t have gotten (see: Texas), so I can live with losses like this.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
If you haven't noticed the players have been on vacation since the Lakers game
This team is has checked out. It’s not that they lose, its that they have no energy and play sloppy and terrible.
They’re gonna get slaughtered by Phoenix as well.
Thats what everyone said about the LA game
but OKC is a direct competitor with us in the standings, and we just got handled. And I’m tired of using the injury excuses. This team as it stands now can play when they want to.
and for the second game in a row
Nate calls a late timeout, I expect him to sit LMA with the game out of hand, and we come back from the commercial break and he’s still on the court. Apparently we can afford to run another guy to the ground
I was at the game. What the hell was Nate McMillan thinking puting in THAT lineup?
“Yes, we’re ahead by 2, may as well put in 3 players who have NOT SCORED AT ALL THROUGHOUT THE GAME….that should do it.” Nate lost the game for us with that fourth quarter lineup.
I'm talkign about the 4th quarter lineup to start...WEBSTER, RUDY, BAYLESS...
Miller and Juwan. My god.
The starting line up for the 4th was: Bayless, Rudy, Cunningham, Webster and
Juwan. Other than Cunningham…THE WORST POSSIBLE LINE UP TO START THE 4TH QTR. OK..maybe Juwan is ok..but not great against this young team. The others…Bayless, Rudy and Webster…0 points in the FIRST 3 QUARTERS…let’s start the ICE COLD guys when we are up by 2. That should do it…
Worst period of play ever!
Miller was the only shining light in the 4th and even he made some terrible mistakes.
well we are injured. We can put it together when guys are hitting.
but when Blake, rudy and webster are 0-15, your just not going to win
#52
ehh, you take what you can get without roy
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I feel like I just got punched in the stomach.
I hate fueling a young team’s confidence. No “young team” deserves to be good except us.
NBA tv had the worst feed they were so late on everything and they talked for ever during the game
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
so.........
Rudy for Haywood?
lol
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Contract does not match.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Absolutely...
Worst game ever by Rudy. Terrible shooting, terrible shot selection, terrible passing, terrible defense, I think he had one rebound.
I love Rudy when he is on but he is wildly inconsistent. As inconsistent as anyone thinks Martell or Outlaw is, Rudy has shown no consistency as a Blazer…He has not had much of the starting chance as those two but even with fairly consistent minutes he’s fairly inconsistent…
3 back of OKC in the loss column
and the tiebreak now stands at 1-1
I don’t think OKC is our competition for making it or not making it into the top 8, but I would like to finish ahead of them either way.
Roy back after ASG or else we are in trouble.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
When I was at the store, that scrub scored 13 points in a row.
I apologize and take full responsibility for the loss. It won’t happen again.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
We pretty much have a 25% chance beating a playoff contender without Roy
maybe less than that.
If the Lakers were missing Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, and Odom.
I see where that 25% is coming from.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Well, I don't think the Spurs make the playoffs personally.
Their schedule is probably the toughest out of all the teams. 3-16 against the top 8 of the West. Lakers, Nuggets, and the Jazz will most likely be the top 3. I think Mavs will be 4th. Unless the Blazers creep up to 5th, I don’t see them winning 1st round. As of right now, I don’t see the Blazers in 5th.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Rudy vs. Bayless tonight
I know the individual game +/- thing is of an unknown value but Rudy was 0 for 6 tonight in 23 minutes and still managed a +6 while Bayless played 14 and shot 2 for 7 yet finished with a -19. Nate kept Bayless in with 5 minutes remaining but sat Rudy. I get going with the flow of the game but it was pretty clear Rudy was trying all night to make things happen as an energy guy. Why wouldn’t you put him in when you’re down by 7 with the clock ticking?
rudy was playing the up tempo game when he was in and that is when the blazers did well
OKC was focusing on stopping LMA in the post and getting out in the open court got them away from that and that opened up the lanes to the slashers
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
not worthless
sometimes of little to no value and sometimes to some or much value, and this is one of those games where it is telling
This is one of those days where you wonder what kinds of players...
… KP has had a chance to acquire for players like Bayless, Rudy, Blake and Martell.
Free AK1984
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Free AK1984
blake for lebron
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by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Blake, Outlaw, and filler for Lebron =P
Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star
by roynfernandez on Feb 9, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Clear the logjam
Get us a center KP
A positive attitude will not solve all of your problems but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright
Keep the faith.
I am not one for rash decisions
but these games without Roy and without a legit center make me wonder
there is nothing rash about it
This team has too many good but not great players at the 1,2 and 3 and not enough big man depth.
Free AK1984
this is Portland though
overvaluing players is par for the course
yep...
get rid of Rudy while he still has the perceived value or upside. Truth is he is as wildly inconsistent as any of our other good but not great players…
There goes our steak of 40-something games when holding opponents under 90
Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star
Well how about the new streak is holding opponents under 89
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 9, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Ok
Sounds good
Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star
by roynfernandez on Feb 9, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Am I the only one to think this streak is ridiculous?
Or at least it’s ridiculous how MB makes so much out of it? I mean, is it that surprising that keeping the opponent from scoring a lot would usually lead to a victory?
remember how nic and inferno dominated the 1st half?
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Remember how in the second half they had about a bajillion turnovers
and the ugliest offense in the history of basketball?
no, i choose to block that out
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
Iwas completely unimpressed with their offense including Durant
But was equally impressed with their defense.
#52
by blazermaniac32 on Feb 9, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
The 4th qtr starting line up was ridiculous. Webster, Bayless, Rudy...0 for ....they were
cold the whole game. Why put them in at the START of the 4th? Good for Rudy for moving around but from what I saw, it seemed like LA and Rudy went out and PARTAYED last night.
If you ask Rudy to produce as THE man
You are asking for disaster. He is the 4th or 5th piece that destroys a team. Unfortunately, Bayless, Webster, and the Blake get starts ahead of him. It pisses me off…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
disappointing too
we really needed LMA. He’s the only guy who can create a shot besides Miller who was active tonight. Teams have really figured out Bayless. Just wait till he gets to the rim and block it.
This is not on him
The team making foolish passes like that is not his fault.
He didn’t make the team shoot horrible from 3 point land.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
No, bu tthere is a certain affect of having to always overcome bad line-ups, guys out of position, not knowing what to do
You have a better strategy and things will prbably flow better
Blazer Pride.
agree on most points
our player development has been seriously disppointing for several years now. and schemes…
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
there was a post on pounding the rock about how pops needs to be fired
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Budenholzer
A positive attitude will not solve all of your problems but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright
Keep the faith.
if the spurs fired pop
i would be OK with firing nate and hiring popovich
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
me too. Or George Karl...he hasn't signed an extention for the Nuggets yet..maybe
he is SMARTLY holding out for more $. Wish Adelman was available.
it's very strange.
it seems on BE everyone hates and blames him for all this. but my stepdad & others seem he’s doing a great job. i read he’s in the runnings for COY or however they do it.
loveisrespect
by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is the time for firing him
His defensive scheme isn’t good enough to compensate for the weakness of the players
A positive attitude will not solve all of your problems but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright
Keep the faith.
He seems to be very respected nationally
There’s no question he deserves some credit for how long this team stayed afloat despite all the injuries.
Long term, I think he’s the wrong coach for this team.
Free AK1984
givin what u said although long term...meaning all our players will be healthy (hopefully) i think he'd do good or perhaps better than he is doing right now with the situation
then again what do i know lol
loveisrespect
by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
When we had all players in the begining of the season,he started Blake over Miller.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Simply unacceptable
I’m not sure what to think but this game is ours if we can just NOT THROW THE FREAKING BALL AWAY!
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
yeah..
they were so sloppy with the ball. Some of it was the d, but a lot it was just dumb passes.
They were forcing action
When they didn’t need to.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The good news
I doubt we shoot that poorly from 3 point land again this year.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I don't think Nate would be saying "bad effort" if we'd been 8 for 20 on 3pt shots
Instead of 3 for 20
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
Shouldn't have shot ten three pointers much less twenty
We came back pounding it inside.
#52
by blazermaniac32 on Feb 9, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Most of which were literally put in their hands
By lazy passes.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
We need Roy back ASAP
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Feb 9, 2010 9:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
just one more (fingers crossed) with him
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Rec
Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star
by roynfernandez on Feb 9, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I am done with Nate
His press conference is the same old BS, Lack of effort on the team.
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
well they did come out very slow
and for some reason that has been happening a lot lately lack of leadership by nate and LMA i think
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
agreed.....
how bout piss poor line-ups?
a team not learning at the same curve as OKC?
Living and dying by jumpshots whitch historically does NOT win(flawed philosophy)
Blazer Pride.
Well I agree, Nate poorly coached this game. But really...is he going to say...ummm
I don’t know how to substitue players…am really bad at that…I put in players who are really cold at the start of the 4th quarter…so then the guys coming in need to play catch up….no he is not going to say that.
I am nowhere near impressed w Nate.
Only thing I have ever liked that he has done is take blame for the Miller incident…everything else is, “what the hell r u thinking?”
Blazer Pride.
Time to rebuild
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Feb 9, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
i mean you have to question his calls sometimes with the minutes
but what is he going to do going into the season i don’t think he was planning being with out his two C’s and start player and his 6th man off the bench
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
Sure, but when the dust settles, everyone will see.....
The injuries are just maskign the problem
Blazer Pride.
He has only been succesful this season when choices did not apply, his hand was forced...
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I like Nate more than you do
but that line is tiresome
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
I'm not ready to start the fire Nate chant...but
I hope he tears this team a new a@@hole…they need something to motivate them…this is just sad. The LA game, I understand, but OKC? Come on Portland…
I wanted to see a technical from him really bad tonite. The team needed him to throw a clipboard, chair, or something...
The only guys who were BRINGING it were Miller, Dante, and LMA. Problem was that nobody could get the ball to LMA. Batum was nice in the first half but disappeared in the second. Blake played great D on Westbrook and got people involved but couldn’t hit anything. Howard was well, Howard (solid). Everyone else (that would be you Rudy, Martell, and Bayless!) sucked and I mean sucked…
I feel us getting closer and closer to John Wall every week.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
yes
we need more youth
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by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Blazers spent too much effort trying to post up LMA.
He didn’t have much success all game long compared to the turnovers and time wasted trying to pass the ball inside. They were more effective running off rebounds, drives, and pick/pops. It didn’t help that Bayless and Rudy were the backcourt for a significant amount of time. Starting Blake in the 2nd half and not having either Miller/Blake at the start of the 4th quarter hurt. Blake, Rudy, Bayless, and Webster combined to shoot 1-19. That’s not gonna get it done, but the momentum swung abruptly at the start of the 4th quarter.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I’ll have to go through the plays again, but I don’t think LMA got the ball often in the 4th quarter. What else is new, but they didn’t really seem to make an effort to give him touches on every possession. It was a lot of wild driving by Miller, Jerryd, and bricked 3s.
LMA couldn't get the ball because he couldn't seal off his man.
At least 2 turnovers in the 4th quarter I remember being the result of trying to get the ball to LMA.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I would say tommorow is a new day and a new game but for me the game is today allready
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
because college in the morning doesn't sound to good right now
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
lol what not enough snow in NY im in FL enjoying a 70 degreee weather
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
screw you lol i think my grandparents deserve a nice visit from there favorite grandson!!!
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
lol i wouldnt mind some freezing weather to be honest
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Feb 9, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
i visited theree for july 4th weekend
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Feb 9, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
thats exactly how it was humid and hot
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Feb 9, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
and i wonder why do i live here the summers are hot and humid and winters are just too gosh darn cold
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
lol now that you mention it
i wonder the same thing at least in FL we get like 5 good months of weather
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Feb 9, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
It is the offensive concept that the players are stuck in. kicking it out should be the last resort. They also swing the ball around the perimeter too much. that just wastes time and some times the ball actually move farther and farther from the basket. The players are afraid of the paint. They pass up an 8 foot shot and pass to a guy who’s covered for a 20 foot shot
I wish basketball coaches were more like college football coaches
and Nate spent a week this off-season in SLC learning the UCLA style from Jerry Sloan
Free AK1984.
"The two women were of a certain age and were clearly drunk... The only thing that I can get out of this is Why, since all these things happen to me, they couldn’t be two young girls and pretty? :-)" - Rudy Fernandez
by blazeraddict on Feb 9, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
The wear and tear of dealing with all the injuries is really starting to show.
They’ve been fighting all season and now for almost a month have been without their leader so I’m not particularly surprised. Getting Brandon back after the All-Star Break as well as some rest will hopefully do them some good. Plus the schedule ahead, while full of Western conference rivals, isn’t quite as intense for the most part.
I am seeing a lot of hate on Rudy tonight...
Ask yourself. How often has coach Nate improved the confidence of a player?
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I should add that vets don't count
we are developing young players, and that is who I am talking about…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
Rudy played awful.
What’s wrong with saying he played awful? It happens.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
its nate's fault when our role players shoot 1-19
but when they play well, it is not thanks to nate
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He has no confidence because he's not shooting the ball well.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
or because he wonders when he shoot?
I see him passing up open shots far too often.
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I saw him launch a few tonight without hesitation.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
He is pressing at this point
Look back over the last 10 or so games, and its either forcing junk up, or being overly passive when it comes to open shots.
To me, that is a confidence issue…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
Rudy has never struck me as a guy who has confidence issues.
The shots he takes are usually shots taken by players who are confident. I’m talking about step back jumpers and catch and shoot. Players will slump and Rudy isn’t immune to it. I don’t think Nate is affecting Rudy as much as you think.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I cant recall the last time I saw a step back 3 from Rudy that wasnt flame bag induced.
Playing the majority of your minutes with Blake makes that a pretty common occurance….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I have to wonder how many leaps Oden could have made without the stifling “please don’t foul out, 2 fouls and you sit” strategy.
Incredible considering the talent we have drafted....
Sometimes players are so good, I could be coaching them….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
the truly special talents have made leaps
Nate’s not been able to get that out of the secondary talents, which is definitely a knock on him in my book.
Free AK1984
yes it's nate's fault that rudy has been all around disappointing in his 2nd season
the 26 minutes per game he averaged as a rookie on a playoff team weren’t enough for his confidence. they were 8 more than nic batum got who for whatever reason has not been afflicted by the dreaded nate sapping confidence disease that makes players worse.
your login name sort of gives away your bias here btw. facts are facts, rudy has not been anywhere near the same player this year and pinning that on the coach is more than silly.
Yes, I am biased. I like Rudy
Now perhaps you should address the point of my comment. Rudy is one of many players that have not lived up to expectations under nate….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
When do coaches ever improve the confidence of a player?
Thats not even part of their job description. Phil Jackson is considered one of the best ever and I cant think of any player’s confidence he has greater affected. Don Nelson? Tomjanovich? It doesnt really happen like that. Some players just make more shots because they’re better and more consistent than others. Rudy is not consistent.
by Bicycle Rider on Feb 9, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Do you really believe its not a coaches job to inspire confidence in his players?
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
do you really believe
that rudy not succeeding is not his own responsibility?
Juwon howard has real butter fingers.
Why didnt Batum get any shots in the second half? thats rediculous
Odenized
blame nate
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Feb 9, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
he wasn't looking for his shot
and then when he shot it was forced because he felt like he needed to shot to stay on the court which in turn hurt his production
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
still blame the coach
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Feb 9, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Nate has found THE EXPLANATION! Via Ben
Nate McMillan womders whether pre-game Red Bulls caused his team to “crash” in the first quarter. smh
u beat me to it
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
they should swithch to the 5 hour energy drink
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
i know one company that won't be able to sponser the blazers
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
after games like these id be surprised if any company would want to sponsor them
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
our team rarely gets penetration
that’s why our team is frustrated. penetration is good.
giggity
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
5 hours straight
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
The Cake is a lie. Trade the Cake.
Free AK1984
by jksnake99 on Feb 9, 2010 10:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You got ideas?
Aside from trading for the sake of trading….
The trading market looks dry to me. Blazers aren’t willing to give up young guys for a rental center.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I still like a Blake/Outlaw for Hinrich trade.
Mostly because Hinrich can guard the 2 and play with Bayless/Roy/Miller.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
hinrich is downright awful
and paid 15 mil over the next 2 years. people wanting hinrich are either related to him or not paying attention. he has been beyond awful this year.
Blazers are over the cap.
There’s no reason to hesitant on trades based around long term finances unless you’re Paul Allen. This is about getting value in return and addressing a weakness on the team.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I am with blzrfan
Hinrich is on the rise right now, and his defense is very good, as it always has been. If all they want is expirings, easy decision….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
we definitely need someone to brick 3's
and play perimeter defense not as well as our starting small forward who would inevitably lose minutes to our newly acquired brick laying stiff who can’t draw fouls and is shooting a smoking 37% from the field.
gotta make that move, especially when it costs 17 million. no better way to spend that….
not really, I just want a trade for the sake of trading
We need to pick which ones of the Miller/Blake/Bayless/Rudy/Travis/Webster/Batum group we want to keep and make sure we trade a couple of the others for whatever to clear the logjam and make sure people are comfortable knowing they’ll have minutes. I don’t even need equal value back at this point.
Free AK1984
I don't like that idea.
Blazers do need a legit PG on this team. Without Miller and Blake, I think there’s gonna be more nights like tonight. Roy isn’t a long term solution. Bayless and Rudy can’t run the offense so I would want a PG in return if Miller or Blake is traded. With the SF position, Outlaw is expiring this year, if you don’t care about getting value in return, might as well let him go via free agency. I think the smart play is to take on a long term “depreciated” contract. Similar to Crawford and what he’s doing for the Hawks.
The guy at the top is Hinrich for me, mostly for his defense and ability to play the 2-guard. He won’t solve all the problems, but he’ll be a decent value player in return.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Why can't Bayless and Roy work as the longterm backcourt?
If Bayless improves his finishing a bit at the cup, he can be like Tony Parker—not a true facilitator but basically like a secondary perimeter playmaker.
Hinrich has played like poo this year. I have no idea why we’d pay him the millions he’s due.
To be frank.
Bayless hasn’t proven that he can be a starter in this league. His production is off and on, can’t shoot from the outside, and his defense is inconsistent.
I project Bayless to be a fire-starter off the bench as a scoring PG or SG.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
See my post on likely available centers, ideally a guy like Okafor if we are planning for the future and not just a stop gap. If we could get someone like Iggy/Butler/Wallace by all means do it. My idea today posted in a few places was Nelson, Gortat, Barnes for Blake, Bayless, Webster, Outlaw, Pendergraph which would work. NY, Magic, Heat are reportedly the teams interested in Steve, and also willing to move around a few pieces. The Heat have nothing of interest to offer.
I can't see Wallace on the trading block.
Between Iggy and Butler, I can’t help but think their skills would be under appreciated in the Blazers offense. Much like how Jefferson is languishing in the Spurs role.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
No, my solution is to strength perimeter defense and pray to the Gods for Oden to pan out.
McMillan is ancillary to the future success of the Blazers. Everything rests on Oden. Everything.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Making moves for the sake of this season isn't wise to me.
Of course, the management may think differently if they see interest and attendance dropping.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
attendance wont be a problem
Winning a playoff series might be. I have never made a correct read on KP tho, so you might as well bet your life savings against me….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
this insanity is killing the team
oden was a mistake. the blazers need to move on from it, not exacerbate it but basing their future around his healthy return. that’s just poor planning at this point.
the blazers are not without tradeable assets that they can use to acquire a good big man and they have some decent players to build around.
they do have to cross their fingers that brandon roy proves durable which isn’t the best bet but without him they might as well blow the whole thing up and start over so that you do have to count on.
this is why the okafor play is appealing to me
you can’t trade Oden at this point – you won’t get anything back that is worth giving up his potential for. but at the same point, you don’t want to put all your eggs in that basket either. Grabbing Okafor is a win-win. if oden pans out, Okafor is your longterm backup 5/4 that gives you a monster 3 big rotation. if oden doesn’t pan out, you have a quality starter in okafor, and can move on from there
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
okafor would be real nice and NO might well blow things up
they might consider rudy + expirings for him. they were ready to hand chandler away last year so maybe.
also i’m not advocating the blazers trade oden, i’m well aware he has no trade value. i’m just saying that they should not exacerbate the situation by extending him and planning with him as the core of the team.
except Jefferson is suffering
because he’s old and not very good. Since 2006, he’s been over 17 PER once, and his defense is declining. He racked up some raw numbers gunning for bad teams, but wasn’t a great player. Iggy has been over 18 PER for the last 3 full seasons, and his widely recognized as a top perimeter defender. What indication do you have that an excellent player like that would be wasted? I know our sets are a bit stagnant, but really, nobody could make a play tonight. We have a real lack of quality going toward the basket outside Dre and Roy, and Dre is old.
Iggy plays in a system that works for him.
Uptempo and fast. He lacks outside shooting to be an effective halfcourt SF for the Blazers. Batum has the skills to be a better fit.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
anyway theres always another game to lose tomorrow and finish 30 and 25 going
in to the allstar break
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
you know i think outlaw and oden really need to step up tomorrow and maybe show up to the games
has oden even been to any of the games i haven’t seen him
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
i think it's cuz he can't or couldn't bend the knee, so he would sit at a table and watch on the tv
#52
i know
when is roy going to start earning that contract
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
hey man he helps out the community that is enough for now don't want to rush things
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
never he decided to call it quits and earn his money the easiest way u can
is sitting on the bench
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
if outlaw shows up tomorrow then ill it will snow in FL
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
I say Nate starts Mills, Bayless,Rudy, Webster and Blake.
And plays them 48 minutes. Well maybe not Blake…Blake did play with some energy tonight. I’d say LA but he’s probably got a legit reason for being off aside from partying with Rudy last night or the night before…has been playing many minutes. So substitue in Dante just for a little bit so he can get more experience…and JP for same reason.
oh i failed to mention you can do this thing called gambling and it never snows right?
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
u gotta be 21 & it has snowed.
the weather has been disgusting. rained all day.
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
just rain i am getting like 10 degree wind chill and i look 21...okay more like 17 but i am 19 soooooooo maybe....
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
i'm so done with winter! bring on the warm weather!
fake id…possibly.
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
i do know winter. thank you very much. i am from the northwest.
except the part i lived in don’t get the harsh winters u get
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
well sorry lol just a question didn't mean to come off rude my mistake
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
you alll good. it didn't come off that way.
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
i lived in portland for 10 years it sucks on winter and spring and fall summer is good
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
going up to portland in 2 months hopefully the weather will be good
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
sure it will. most likely will see rain & clouds tho
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
ah thats exactly my defenition of good weather lol
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
eww! that's really unfortunate. unless that's your favorite type
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
that was sarcasm by the way
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
definitely didn't pick that up lol
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
its all good
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
anyone else saw the headline about nude pics of some player i forgot what team thats about
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
i thought i saw something like that today on nba dot com
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
lol @ nba dot com
hahah!
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
we should trade blake and pendergraph for lebron adn dwane
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
psh...we need a center
dwight howard needs to be in that deal or forget it
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
fine throw in outlaw and get dwight
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Career shooters
Martell: 40%, 37% on threes
Rudy: 42%, 39%
Travis: 44%, 36%
Blake: 41%, 39%
Miller: 46%, 21%
Jerryd: 40%, 27%
Batum: 46%, 38%
Aldridge: 49%, 25%
Mhm, is that the right mix for a jump shooting team? Whose the 3 point specialist here?
there aren't that many
guys in the league that shoot over 40% from downtown. 39% on high volume from Rudy is a good number.
we just have a bunch of above average to good 3-point shooters
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
i did like him when he played for portland
he was a poor mans LMA at the time
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
part system, part consistent minutes and role
Frye even said as much – the coaches and teammates will get mad at him if he DOESN’T shoot. that and he knows he’s going to play whether or not he makes the shot – a good shot is a good shot, and you don’t want to get your guys thinking “gee, should I take this or not – if I miss, i might get benched” I still say the biggest problem many of our young guys are having is a lack of a defined, consistent role and the minutes that go with it, which in turn can derail their confidence. yes, some of that is injury related, but some of it is our depth working against us
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
We should get chuck norris to play for us
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
or his baskerball player version: gerald wallace
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
who norris lol
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
did roy & nate robinson play together at udub?
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:20 PM PST reply actions
dang. thought they didn't
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by portlandgiirl91 on Feb 9, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, they want to the sweet 16
only to loose to lousiville and the refs
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
yah
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
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2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 9, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Nba officiating is rigged that is the saddest part of all
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
This game is like poo under a finger nail
it haunts you until you cut it off and scrub it down.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
OMGrandpa
Dwight Jaynes would trade Roy for Durant
Thank god, PTown made the right decision. I dont trust Jaynes farther than I can pee…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I don't even think its a tough decision
21 year old Durant and 25 year old Roy are about equally good, maybe a slight edge to Durant. Take the 21 year old.
Free AK1984
maybe
He has had a good run this season. Looking at career achievements, and the fact that it is &^%&ing BROY. Your fandom is in question….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
No need to ruin our fun!!!!
JK knows I absolutely understand his point. Just had to give him a poke in the ribs! He took it in stride. I expect one back, and I will take it in stride. :)
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
it's about the ultimate goal
If KP is offered Durant for Roy straight up, and doesn’t take it, he’s a fool, he deserves to be fired. Any fan who wouldn’t do that trade is valuing a player over the team. That’s not fandom in my book. I’m a Trail Blazer fan first, and a fan of any particular Trail Blazer second.
If the choice is between Roy and no title or no Roy and a title, give me the latter every time.
Roy is an all star for years to come. Durant is a better play now, and better player going forward. It’s really a no brainer, especially when you throw in injury history and age.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
any sensible person would make that trade
durant is 4 years younger, has no history of health problems and has just as steep a career arc in his first 3 years.
btw what "decision" are you talking about
it’s not like it was ever a choice between durant and roy anyway.
Well everyone have a great night or day wherever you may be in this lovely world
and let’s go get it tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brandon MVP he is obviously very very very valuable to this team
A poor Blazer in the State of New York
peace man dont get lost in that blizzard
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
we still have nic
so i cant be saddened by mear losses
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
its pointless to have nic if he aint getting touches
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Nic and Miller and Cunningham played decently tonight...and Blake did provide energy. That's about it
Get a coach who starts the 4th quarter with players who’ve ACTUALLY SCORED during the game. Blake, Rudy, Webster, Bayless and Juwan…HELLO…WHERE DID MCMILLAN decide this????
i think cunningham was better than decent
it was one of the better games i can remember him playing. it continues to amaze me that i don’t think i’ve ever seen him force a bad shot and he’s a rookie.
red bull? come on they had 2 days off
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Pay off for the lovely effort tonight....start and play for 48 minutesin Phoenix: Webster, Bayless,
Rudy. Start Mills to give him experience. JP & Cunningham for the same reason. I’d substitute in Blake and LA.
Nate "No T's" McMillan
Free Throws were 28 to 14 in favor of OKC. How many non calls did Miller and Bayless have tonight and not a word from the Coaches. The last foul on Bayless when he tried to the charge should have been an automatic T from our Coaches after the call on the other end. A good Coach takes a T from time to time just to fire his players up…..
The FT difference was mainly because Portland was throwing up jumpers all night.
There were a few questionable calls, but really nothing huge.
Whether a T from Nate would get his team riled up is certainly a fair point for debate…
free throw disparity by itself is not a sign of uneven officiating
the many more calls okc got were largely the result of turnovers leading to fouls in transition and men being left open for unabated cuts to the hoop.
it’s not the official’s job to make sure calls are even.
We're still in the 8th spot...
and three games ahead of Houston. We have some breathing room, but we have to win against Phoenix to maintain our dignity going into the break. Then hopefully Roy will be healthy enough to rejoin the team next week, and Outlaw a week later. Even though we have hit a tough stretch, I’m still very proud of how this team has managed to keep a winning record in spite of all the injuries. We must not lose hope!
I support LaMarcus 100%. He's only 24 - not even in his prime yet. He's improved in each of his first three seasons. He will only get better.
Well then maybe the Blazers won't maintain their dignity. Because the Blazers will be on a BACK TO BACK
Phoenix OTOH has been off…since playing on Friday..thank you NBA schedulers. So hey…they are not going to win. That is pretty much guaranteed. Good news is that maybe we trade some of our potential…or get another coach in the off season. One that will know which players to start the 4th qtr. when we are up by 2 pts…..someone other than Bayless, Rudy, Webster, Juwan…and Cunningham. The FIRST THREE OF WHOM DID NOT SCORE AT ALL IN THE FIRST 3 QUARTERS…when I saw that lineup I KNEW the Blazers were not going to win.
Also note to LA and Rudy…please do not party on the night before the game.
on a positive note...
… i will be going to sleep soon.
Hari-Kiri
If we end up in a first-round series against LA, can we just forfeit? If the NBA adopts that talked-about “play-in” for the 8th seed, can you tank it intentionally? Seriously, with a 7-7-7-7 format, what the heck is the point of being an 8th seed? Oh, wait — extra ticket sales.
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