Monday Practice Report
Pretty quiet day at practice today.
New Starting Line Up
As expected for awhile now, Nate McMillan is publicly entertaining the notion of a starting lineup shuffle.
We're looking at it. We'll look at it tomorrow. We're looking at everything. Where we are, we want to finish strong before going into the break.
I asked McMillan whether the change of heart regarding his current lineup was caused by the team's recent stretch of up-and-down play or by the news that Brandon Roy is out indefinitely.
A bit of both. A little bit of both. We're looking at that.
As discussed previously, it seemed like McMillan has been in a holding pattern for the last week or two as he waited for Roy's return. Now that Roy's return isn't pinned down to a specific date, he no longer has the luxury of waiting. Indeed, McMillan said any thoughts regarding Roy's return and its impact upon his lineups and rotations will be postponed until after the break.
For us, we know he won't be back before the break so I'm not looking at that until we get back. We'll start to think about how we're going to approach it once we get back.
With that said, he gave off a pretty clear vibe that something needed to change and soon. The most obvious move, one discussed this morning on the radio and for the last week or so, is replacing Jerryd Bayless with Nicolas Batum and shifting Martell Webster down to the off guard slot.
Given the size and skills of "Oklahoma City's" perimeter starting trio -- Russell Westbrook, Thabo Sefalosha and Kevin Durant -- Andre Miller, Martell Webster and Nicolas Batum seem to match up as well as any other trio McMillan could throw out there. Batum told reporters today that he and McMillan had discussed possibly starting him against the Lakers but the change wasn't made once Kobe Bryant was announced as a scratch.
Defending Kevin Durant
The big task tomorrow will be defending Kevin Durant whose game log is absolutely ridiculous. 25+ points in every single game since December 19. In those 24 games, the "Thunder" are 16-8. The last time these two teams faced off, you might recall, Martell Webster did a superb job of making Durant work in limiting him to 16 points on 20 shots.
Today, McMillan praised that effort from Webster...
Martell was guarding him and doing a good job of just bodying him. Making him catch out. He missed some shots in that game but we did a nice job of just trying to keep him in front. Limit his catches. A guy like that, the more you can take away his opportunity to play with the ball, the better. You've got to crowd him. Not give him open shots because he doesn't really have weaknesses. He can shoot the 3 ball, get to the basket, I think the strength of his game right now is getting to the free throw line.
McMillan also said he would alternate Webster and Batum on Durant because "OKC" has been running so much of its offense through him.
We knew he would be a good player and he's living up to that. Each year he is getting better and more confident on the floor. He has become an all star this year. Knew he had a lot of talent, knew he would be good in this league and that potential that we thought he had, he's starting to show it.
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Of course Martell and Nic and those guys will get the opportunity on him. You're going to need that [alternating] as far as [how well] he's playing. He's getting a lot of touches. They're playing through him a lot and he's playing well.
Andre Miller's Value
Andre Miller has caught a lot of flak this season. 52 point game aside, he probably hasn't gotten as much credit as he deserves for keeping the Blazers ship at least somewhat afloat during Brandon Roy's lengthy absence. No question, Miller has stepped up his play significantly since his argument with Nate McMillan; He's carried the scoring load at times and has facilitated the offensive development of guys like LaMarcus Aldridge, Martell Webster and Jerryd Bayless. He still struggles at times with consistency but his contributions, especially since the new year, have been irreplaceable.
With that said, I thought it might be a good time to take a look back at some of the big names that hit the trade and free agent markets last summer. Miller has often been called the Blazers' third option after the failed attempts to land Hedo Turkoglu and Paul Millsap. At the time of Miller's signing, Kevin Pritchard was careful to note the reasonable size and length of Miller's contract and the value it provided. Earlier this year, as the Miller/McMillan Express may or may not have been coming off the tracks between, Miller's contract seemed like it would be difficult to move. An abundance of productive point guards on their rookie deals and questions about Miller's age and attitude made it seem unlikely that a team would pay a premium for his proven abilities.
The age question and Miller's fit with this team once its fully healthy are still open. But the value question for this season has been settled in my opinion.
Take a look at the following chart. Click for the full size version.
This chart compares some of last summer's major trade and free agent targets around the league. The X axis shows the average per-year salary each player was given (either in a new contract or an existing contract absorbed in trade) and the Y axis shows that player's PER ranking for this season as of today.
Obviously PER isn't a perfect player ranking system. But viewed in this context, the return on Andre Miller's signing looks pretty good, doesn't it? Perhaps better than most of those deals? And don't overlook the fact that there is just one guaranteed year left on his deal after this season is up.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
PS Joe Freeman notes that Brandon Roy's plan to skip All Star weekend in Dallas runs afoul of league rules.
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Once again, we say "Thank you Mrs. Turkoglu"
Of course Martell and Nic and those guys will get the opportunity on him. You’re going to need that [alternating] as far as [how well] he’s playing.
This comment by Nate would seem to argue against Batum starting, but rather that he would start Martell against Durant then “alternate” Nic to guard #35 as necessary
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How good would David Lee have looked in red/black this year?
But of course “nobody knew” back in mid-July that both Greg and Joel would go down with season-ending injuries…still, I was hoping for an additional PF/C to be added to the roster, in addition to Juwan Howard
I’m “happy” with Miller as a “consolation” prize, but the Blazer’s 1st/2nd FA target was obviously at forward based on their offers for Hedo and Millsap
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to play devil's advocate
add Lee to this team but remove Miller. What’s are record right now, assuming all the injuries, etc, stayed the same?
I think we’re easily 5 games worse off were that the case – not because of having Lee, but because without Miller, we would be relying on a guard rotation of Blake/Bayless/Rudy
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by douglast on Feb 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was in favor of adding another veteran PG last summer
but “whoever that was” clearly wouldn’t have had the same ability to take over a game and lead a team that Andre has shown
Let’s face it, there was no way to “cover” for all of these injuries with a single FA signing back in July, unless KP had Darius Miles’ 9 mil to throw at another FA, but if that was the case we probably would’ve had enough jack to sign Hedo.
Making a deal with Outlaw’s EC last summer was another way to add veteran PF/C (not Lee, of course) but Travis could’ve been traded for a PG (even Miller, as others have noted)
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by two4larue on Feb 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome thought!
Darius gave us Miller instead of Hedo!
Yes.
The accomplishments of Miller this year are amazing considering the Blazers style of play. The slowest team in the league (or 2nd slowest??) signs a PG who specializes in running the fast break and running his own offense. However, that team both refuses to run and calls the sets from the bench.
It took a while (and a little venting), but ’Dre made it work. He has been the difference in several games this year. I just admire the guy for adapting his game as needed and succeeding at it.
Hard to say
What would Bayless be at this point if he had been getting 25-30 mpg or more all season?
We can’t just assume that he would be the same player. Juwan and Martell have really stepped up with extra minutes.
I’m happy with the guy we got and the way he is playing, but I don’t have any confidence that we would be worse if it had happened differently. For most of the year, we’ve been better/deeper at guard than at the big positions.
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Bayless might still be injured...
perhaps even earlier in the season…His pinball style of play does him no good in preserving his health…
Sure, that's possible
It’s all “what-ifs”.
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
totally agree
Jerryd’s playing style will have him missing more games to injuries than most, and at this point is going to be much more effective in coming off the bench for about 18 minutes a game. The only way he’s going to be able to be a starter and log more minutes and not get injured is to change his playing style, and right now his other weapons besides bulling his way to the hoop aren’t developed enough.
Lee
In theory Lee would add to this team, then you factor in the role he would play on this team and a similar learning curve that Andre and Nate went through, his PER would be much lower. Not to mention the fact that for the most part PER doesn’t take defense into account, which he clearly doesn’t play much of.
"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy
by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 8, 2010 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Starting lineup considerations
I think the only real changes would be putting Rudy and/or Batum in the lineup. But in either case, you could sit Webster or Bayless. So in essence, you have 6 choices at the wings:
1. Start Rudy & Webster.
2. Start Batum & Webster.
3. Start Bayless & Webster.
4. Start Rudy & Batum.
5. Start Bayless & Batum.
6. Start Bayless & Rudy. (this one seems unlikely)
or, Nate could start Blake at SG
“ducks”
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by two4larue on Feb 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
NOOOOOOOOO!!!! I prefer either to start Batum and Webster or Batum and Bayless.
I do like how Bayless plays off of the bench though. And would not mind seeing Batum and Rudy starting. Also I’d like to see Cunningham in there as much as possible.
Also when we foul people I’d like to see more HARD fouls.
Or you could sit Juwan
And start LMA, Nic, Martell, Rudy/Jerryd, and Andre.
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
This is the lineup I vote for
Despite Nate saying it is a “Fantasy League Lineup” (based on the 2 offensive rebounds we got in the last game).
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by blazermaniac32 on Feb 9, 2010 5:35 AM PST up reply actions
I am a proponent of this with Rudy starting over Jerryd...
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run,
sub Jerryd, Dante, Steve, Jeff, & Patty,
run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run,
etc.
Ben
Didn’t you say if/when Kevin Durant makes the all star team that you would STOP the “thunder” quotes?
Time to become aan of you word brudda!
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
I'll Say it now so you guys can know I'm a true follower: "In Pioli I Trust"
Go Chiefs!!!!!
by bouzi on Feb 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
"Blunder" is better
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Here's the starting lineup I'd like to see against OKC
Miller-Webster-Batum-Cunningham-Aldridge.
This is the most versatile, interchangeable lineup the Blazers have. With the exception of Miller, everyone is long and laterally quick. And Miller is pretty good at holding position against big guys when he’s forced to switch on to them. So with this lineup, especially against teams like OKC who don’t have overpowering post players, you can essentially switch on every pick.
This lineup gave Charlotte all kinds of problems. I think it could do the same to OKC. OKC is a team of young, quick, long guys. Howard and Bayless aren’t the best options here. Batum and Cunningham should play extended minutes with Aldridge playing most of the game at the 5.
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by Blazer Guy on Feb 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I would prefer Miller - Rudy - Martell - Batum - Aldridge as starters
Nic or Martell can guard either one of Durant and Green so thats no concern. Bring Howard/Cunningham in to match up with Kristic or Collison
I'd be most concerned about offense v OKC
Their defense is one of the best in the league—Westbrook is an excellent defensive point guard, Sefalosha is a good perimeter defender and Durant has improved in that area. That said, they lack interior presence, so the way to beat them is to get to the rim. This is a game where you need Miller and Bayless (if healthy) attacking the cup as much as possible.
I agree
But I think Miller is going to have difficulty penetrating against Westbrook. If we’re going to break them down, it is going to be Bayless driving, and perhaps possibly Nic as well.
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That's why it's important to have two penetrators in for most of the game
So the one who Westbrook isn’t guarding can do some work.
Batum has heaps of potential, but he hasn’t shown any ability to break down a set NBA defense. He’s good in the open court and has good vision in the flow of the offense, but he’s shown no ability to break defenders down (which is OK, he’s young and we don’t need it yet).
I'm with you
Those 5 start and then Bayless and Cunningham are the first two off the bench
Yucky
The 2009 summer targets was like a bunch of polished turds. Not a single player on that list is worth batting an eye at. Having Miller on the team is like looking at the turd in your hand that is nice and firm while all the other turds available were runny. At the end of the day, it’s still a turd and holding a turd in your hand is gross.
by tominhawaii on Feb 8, 2010 5:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'll have to agree on the turd in your hand being gross. But me, personally would MUCH
rather have the nice and firm turd than the runny turds. I think the runny stuff would make me vomit.
Other than this though…you and I know that Miller will grow on you eventually.
Do we have to talk about turds growing on you?
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
what?
are you talking about doo doo?
wash your fingers with soap!
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 8, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
If I'm a troll for hating Miller, what does that make the folks who dislike Nate, Blake, Outlaw, or Webster?
By your definition
And purely based on hate: Trolls.
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by blazermaniac32 on Feb 9, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
ok based on Wikipedia's definition as well
From my own personal viewpoint, I don’t mind discussing the weaknesses of individual players, but solely concentrating on those weaknesses and not acknowledging what they do bring to a team seems a bit unfair. We wouldn’t have a winning record with all of these injuries if all of those individuals weren’t making a positive contribution somewhere.
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by blazermaniac32 on Feb 9, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I've said a few times that Miller helped the team win a game or two
I still wish he wasn’t a Blazer though.
GREAT Chart Ben!
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(For those who love decoding, stop reading, and try to decipher… For those less nerdy, that’s what happens if you type a whole sentence with the num lock key on.. As I was saying…)
Man, if that’s easy to do, I’d love for you to keep those coming… For example, I’d love to see the Blazers team chart. (Heck, I so love that type of data if you can just paste the three columns of data needed in here, that’d be awesome…)
Thanks Ben, you rock…
first, great point on Andre Miller and i think you should use charts all the time to put these types of situations in context.
second, Nate’s comments about not sleeping are a little sad, i almost feel bad for him, almost.
last, if the blazers adjust the starting lineup, I assume many (including myself) would call for Batum to start, but what would affect, if any, would that have upon the “2nd” unit?
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I am a fan of starting or giving the most minutes to your best available players first and wondering what effect that has on the bench second. That said, since OKC is starting Durant (and Green and Westbrook) and playing him extensively, and mostly has defensive specialists and not explosive scorers in the second group, playing Batum against that first unit seems like a no-brainer.
so you'd bring Webster in off the bench?
Nate talked about needing both Nic and Marty to defend Durant, with all the touches he gets. I would think that Miller and Bayless can handle Westbrook and Harden, so there’s no need to start Martell at the 2. As well as Webster played defense against KD the last time, you’d think that Nate would start #23 at SF, again. Maybe Nate will start Batum at the 4 and LMA at the 5, since OKC doesn’t really have a post player for Juwan to defend in their starting lineup. I’m not in favor of a steady diet of this kind of “small” starting lineup, but it might work out for the next 2 games (either Nic or Marty could defend Frye during the Sun’s game, etc)
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Batum at 4 seems
plausible
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
Since the Blazers got out-rebounded against LA, I don’t think Nate has small ball on his mind right now.
OKC and PHX
are not L*A in terms of front court size
but like I said earlier, if Nate wants Webster and Batum to take turns defending Durant, it’s unlikely he’ll start both of ’em
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Agreed on the rebounding
If both start, I expect one will play a short opening shift on Durant, then go out.
Say Martell on KD for 6 minutes, then Rudy comes in for him and Nic shifts over to Durant for the rest of the first, then Martell comes back for Nic at the start of the second, and Nic comes back halfway through the second. Something like that.
They could certainly both start and still share defensive duties on Durant.
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they could
but let’s say that Martell hypothetically picks up a couple of quick fouls in those opening 6 minutes, now you’ve got Batum (who’s been playing since the tip-off) guarding Durant, and Nic may or may not be able to remain on Kevin until they’re both replaced by substitutes. If not, then Nate would have to play someone like Cunningham on #35, or bring Martell back in and risk him getting his 3rd foul early in the half
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Seriously
i think i pretty much agree with you in that Batum should start, simply because he’s better… if Batum doesnt play many minutes against Durant, i’ll be very confused- i’ll probably assume that Nate hadn’t slept the night before and simply forgot Batum >>>>>>>>>>> Webster/anyone LOL
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It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
if the Cavs win the finals he'll be worth it
that’s the only reason you bring a guy like Shaq in, to a team that reached the EC finals last year
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Doesn't change the fact that he is being paid for what he did 5+ years ago!
If they win the title, it won’t be because of him.
It seems like starting Batum would be a no-brainer
A week ago I thought he should have maybe replaced Aldridge but LMA looks like he’s stepping up his game. Replacing Bayless would make sense. Bayless is good when he’s the end recipient of the ball, but less than stellar when getting others involved.
I think we should start this lineup:
Miller, Rudy, Batum, Cunningham, Aldridge. I just love this lineup. Good intensity and solid defense. I would swap Cunningham for Howard if we needed a little bit more size, though.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Start Webster and Batum
Defense on Durant is not a one on one game. By starting both W and B this allows switching on Durant for the P & P. Play Cunningham extended minutes whether starting or not for the same reason. Make Durant go constantly against athletic players who are 6’ 8" or better. Raise the level of defense to where Durant has to give up the ball or force shots. BTW, sit Bayless for energy on the second unit otherwise he may again become a foul machine and sit longer than you wish.
Along with this defensive concept, tell Webster and Batuum that their first 8 shots each have to involve driving to the hoop or they get pantsed (sp) on the court. Howard would do it with a smile I’m sure.

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