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Sched Ahead 2/8/10, Week Fifteen -- Tie-breakers Revisited

Yes, we got clobbered at Utah.  Yes, our home streak against the L@kers died (though our home streak against K*be is intact, so we have that).

Interestingly enough, the task of getting this hobbled team to the playoffs, even with Brandon out until after the break, even with Jerryd now battling injuries, has gotten easier, as New Orleans and Memphis have gone into reverse, and neither Houston nor San Antonio are looking particularly good.  Even Dallas lost at home to Minnesota this week.

After the usual schedule analysis, at the bottom of the post we'll look again at the playoff tie-breaker status as it stands today, three weeks on from our last look.

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SUMMARY INFO

This weekly schedule analysis is based on four categories of games:

  1. Home games against sub .500 teams.  "Cream Puff" Home.
  2. Home games against winning teams (I'm including teams right at .500 in this category).  "Jawbreaker" Home.
  3. Road games at losing teams.  "Banana Peel" Road.
  4. Road games at winning teams.  "Rocky Road".

A general formula for success in the NBA is to win almost all of Cat 1 ("Cream Puff" Home), a majority of Cat 2 ("Jawbreaker" Home) and Cat 3 ("Banana Peel" Road), and win some in Cat 4 ("Rocky Road").  The contenders may win more than half of their Cat 4 games.

Back to Backs (hereafter BtoB) are also tracked so as to provide further data on schedule difficulty.

The jscot Stupid Sched Projections methodology is explained in this post.  Since they are stupid projections, it doesn't bear repeating here.

Last week's update

CHANGES THIS WEEK

Chicago comes crashing back down to earth, and is now a losing team.  Games against Chicago are now recategorized from Cat 2 & 4 to Cat 1 & 3.  So also Charlotte and Miami (who is suddenly looking like they've waved goodby to a +.500 record for good.

Impact:  Our Cat 4 wins at Miami and Charlotte become Cat 3 wins.  Our Cat 2 wins against Chicago and Charlotte, and our Cat 2 loss against Miami, all move into Cat 1.  Our game at Chicago will be Cat 3 instead of Cat 4.  Every team is impacted similarly. 

COMMENTS ON THE WEEK

Portland (2-2).  We opened with a Cat 2 at home (now recategorized to Cat 1) against Charlotte, and handled it nicely.  Then, we went on the "Rocky Road" for a Cat 4 at rampant Utah, who handled it nicely.  We came home for a Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" against San Antonio (both teams BtoB), and got the win we needed to maintain our challenge one more week.  I think there was another game sometime this week, but it seems to have been blacked out somehow. 

Dallas (1-2) had their second straight losing week, dropping a Cat 4 "Rocky Road" at Utah, winning a Cat 1 "Cream Puff" at home against Golden State (who was on a BtoB), then dropping another Cat 1 at home to Minnesota (who played spoiler more than once this week).  Dallas suddenly no longer looks like a #2 team in the West -- they don't even look like a sure thing for home court advantage in the playoffs.   

Denver (2-2) ran into a little bump in the road as they were cruising towards the NW division title and the probable #2 seed.  It started fine, with a Cat 1 "Cream Puff" at home against the Kings, but then a Cat 2 home "Jawbreaker" against Phoenix turned sour.  They got that back with a nice Cat 4 at L.A., but then ran into a buzzsaw on a Cat 4 BtoB "Rocky Road" at Utah, who is playing better ball than anyone right now. 

Houston (2-1) started with a Cat 1 "Cream Puff" win against Golden State at home.  They followed with a Cat 4 "Rocky Road" win at Memphis, which would be impressive except that Memphis suddenly had their carriage turn into a pumpkin.  The Rockets then threw away what would have been a nice week with a Cat 1 "Cream Puff" loss to Philadelphia.

L.A.  (2-2) started with a BtoB Cat 4 "Rocky Road" loss at Memphis (yes, there is someone out there who is losing to Memphis recently).  They then went home and won a Cat 1 "Cream Puff" against Charlotte and lost a Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" against Denver.  Then, on a BtoB Cat 4 they (censored).

Memphis (1-3).  Has the clock struck midnight, and Cinderella turned into, well, a bunch of Grizzlies?  One win in their last six, and three losses in a row.  This week, they started with a nice home Cat 2 win against L.A., and then lost a Cat 4 at Cleveland on a BtoB -- such losses are easily forgiven.  Then, they lost a Cat 2 back home against Houston (not recommended for playoff contenders, but it happens).  The proof that their challenge is really in trouble was they then lost a Cat 3 "Banana Peel" at Minnesota.  1-5 over 9 days, including losses to Minnesota and a home loss to N.O. when they are without CP3, and you have to say you are sliding towards oblivion (or at least the lottery).  On the "Hold but watch" list of investments -- "Do not buy".

N.O. (1-3).  Yes, there is a team that struggled worse than Memphis.  They started the week with two testing but winnable Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" home games, against Phoenix and OKC.  In both games, the visiting team was on a BtoB, so the Hornets really needed to get at least one of them, but it was not to be.  Things went from bad to worse with a Cat 1 "Cream Puff" home loss to Philly -- yes, four SW division teams lost to a losing team this week.  The Hornets rescued some measure of respectability with a nice Cat 3 "Banana Peel" win on a BtoB at Charlotte, in the annual "Aren't the Hornets the home team?" matchup.

The OKC Blunder (3-0) believe in streaks.  Their last 15 goes like this: win 2, lose 2, win 3, lose 3, win 5....  I recommend we start them on the losing thing again.  The got a nice Cat 2 home win against Atlanta, a Cat 4 BtoB at New Orleans, and then a Cat 3 "Banana Peel" at Golden State.  If they don't quit this winning thing, they are going to be a playoff team, and right now they look more deserving than at least 3-4 of the teams in the race.  It will be interesting to see how they handle the pressure of the playoff chase after the all-star break -- if other teams play well enough to put them under pressure, that is.

Phoenix (3-0) is suddenly rolling, after December and January destroyed the cushion they had built up in November.  It is now five straight for them, and these three were all on the road, a Cat 4 "Rocky Road" at N.O. (on a BtoB), another at Denver, and then a Cat 3 "Banana Peel" at Sacramento.  It looked like it was slipping away, but now they look pretty secure for a decent seed (though the West is tough enough, one bad spell can put them right back in the muck).

S.A. (2-1) is more of the same, continuing to "impress" against losing teams with two Cat 3 "Banana Peel" wins at Sacramento and the Clips, and continuing far from impressive against winning teams, with a Cat 4 "Rocky Road" loss at Portland (both teams BtoB). 

Utah (3-0) is looking like a legit top 4 team, a team that can take anyone.  They have eight in a row and 12 of their last 13.  This week, it was three Cat 2 "Jawbreakers" at home, against Dallas, Portland, and Denver (Nuggets on a BtoB).  It's a shame about the injuries, it would have been really fun to see a healthy Portland team win the division against two quality rivals in Denver and Utah.  Next year, neither team is likely to be as strong, and we'll be even better than we would have this year. 

No Western contender lost to a losing team last week.  This week?  The entire SW division, except for San Antonio, lost to a loser. 

Helped themselves:  OKC, Phoenix, Utah.

Treading water: Portland, Houston, S.A.  

Hurt themselves:  Dallas, Denver, L.A., Memphis, N.O..

The tables:

Cat 4 -- Rocky Road

  W L Played Left
Portland 6 8 14 9
Dallas 6 9 15 8
Denver 6 6 12 12
Houston 6 11 17 7
L.A. 5 8 13 11
Memphis 3 11 14 9
N.O. 4 10 14 10
OKC 6 9 15 8
Phoenix 6 11 17 6
S.A. 3 8 11 14
Utah 4 10 14 10
 

Two of our Cat 4 wins turned into Cat 3s, and we lost at Utah.  We still have the second best record in this category.  San Antonio has a lot more of these games left than we do.  Phoenix and Houston have the fewest left, which should help their challenge the rest of the way.

Cat 3 -- Banana Peel Road 

  W L Played Left
Portland 6 5 11 7
Dallas 10 1 11 7
Denver 6 7 13 4
Houston 6 2 8 9
L.A. 10 1 11 6
Memphis 5 6 11 7
N.O. 7 6 13 4
OKC 8 2 10 8
Phoenix 7 4 11 7
S.A. 7 2 9 7
Utah 5 2 7 10
 

Recategorization changed a bunch of numbers around.  The key thing here is that Memphis was the only team to take a loss in this category this week.  Don't expect to see too many losses in this category after the break as playoff contenders increase their concentration -- they won't lose a lot, home or away, to losing teams. 

Cat 2 -- Jawbreaker Home

  W L Played Left
Portland 8 8 16 7
Dallas 9 6 15 9
Denver 12 2 14 10
Houston 8 7 15 10
L.A. 12 4 16 7
Memphis 10 5 15 9
N.O. 6 5 11 12
OKC 4 8 12 12
Phoenix 9 3 12 11
S.A. 6 9 15 8
Utah 13 4 17 7
 

Most teams have one or more tough home games remaining than we do.  N.O., OKC, and Phoenix have the most. 

Cat 1 -- Cream Puff Home

  W L Played Left
Portland 10 2 12 6
Dallas 6 3 9 8
Denver 10 2 12 5
Houston 7 3 10 6
L.A. 12 0 12 6
Memphis 8 2 10 7
N.O. 10 3 13 5
OKC 11 2 13 4
Phoenix 9 3 12 6
S.A. 13 1 14 4
Utah 9 2 11 6
 

We're middle of the pack in terms of easy games remaining.  OKC and S.A. have the fewest "Cream Puffs" left, which could impact the race.

All Home Games

  W L Played Left
Portland 18 10 28 13
Dallas 15 9 24 17
Denver 22 4 26 15
Houston 15 10 25 16
L.A. 24 4 28 13
Memphis 18 7 25 16
N.O. 16 8 24 17
OKC 15 10 25 16
Phoenix 18 6 24 17
S.A. 19 10 29 12
Utah 22 6 28 13
 

We are now near the bottom in remaining home games.  This is in part because we have played more games than any of our rivals -- we don't have a major home / away imbalance like San Antonio or Utah.  Look for Dallas, Phoenix, OKC, and Houston to benefit from more home games the rest of the way.

All Away Games

  W L Played Left
Portland 12 13 25 16
Dallas 16 10 26 15
Denver 12 13 25 16
Houston 12 13 25 16
L.A. 15 9 24 17
Memphis 8 17 25 16
N.O. 11 16 27 14
OKC 14 11 25 16
Phoenix 13 15 28 13
S.A. 10 10 20 21
Utah 9 12 21 20
 

The loss at Utah put as below .500 on the road for the first time since November first.  S.A. still has a huge home/road disparity, despite playing three on the road this week.  Utah will find it harder to maintain their divisional challenge with 7 more road games than home games the rest of the way. 

All Games Against Winning Teams

  W L Played Left
Portland 14 16 30 16
Dallas 15 15 30 17
Denver 18 8 26 22
Houston 14 18 32 17
L.A. 17 12 29 18
Memphis 13 16 29 18
N.O. 10 15 25 22
OKC 10 17 27 20
Phoenix 15 14 29 17
S.A. 9 17 26 22
Utah 17 14 31 17
 

Some difficulties ahead for N.O. (lots of home games, but lots of games against winning teams), Denver, and S.A.  We have the fewest remaining games against winning teams. 

All Games Against Losing Teams

  W L Played Left
Portland 16 7 23 13
Dallas 16 4 20 15
Denver 16 9 25 9
Houston 13 5 18 15
L.A. 22 1 23 12
Memphis 13 8 21 14
N.O. 17 9 26 9
OKC 19 4 23 12
Phoenix 16 7 23 13
S.A. 20 3 23 11
Utah 14 4 18 16
 

We're middle of the pack here.  Utah has a lot of road games left, but also a lot of games against losing teams.  

Back to Back Games Remaining

  Total Cat4 Cat3 Cat2 Cat1
Portland 7 4 2 1 0
Dallas 8 1 3 2 2
Denver 9 5 1 1 2
Houston 9 3 4 1 1
L.A. 6 2 4 0 0
Memphis 8 3 3 1 1
N.O. 5 1 3 1 0
OKC 8 4 1 2 1
Phoenix 8 2 3 2 1
S.A. 8 6 1 0 1
Utah 10 2 2 5 1
 

Another BtoB down this week, another win.  This time, it was against a team (the Spurs) that was also on a BtoB.  Of remaining back to backs, the following are the number of games where the other team is on a back to back as well: 

  Total Cat4 Cat3 Cat2 Cat1
Portland 2 0 1 1 0
Dallas 2 0 0 1 1
Denver 3 2 0 0 1
Houston 3 1 1 1 0
L.A. 0 0 0 0 0
Memphis 3 0 1 1 1
N.O. 1 0 0 1 0
OKC 3 1 0 1 1
Phoenix 5 2 1 1 1
S.A. 3 2 0 0 1
Utah 5 1 1 3 0
 

Net, the games where only the Western contender in question is on a back to back:

  Total Cat4 Cat3 Cat2 Cat1
Portland 5 4 1 0 0
Dallas 6 1 3 1 1
Denver 6 3 1 1 1
Houston 6 2 3 0 1
L.A. 6 2 4 0 0
Memphis 5 3 2 0 0
N.O. 4 1 3 0 0
OKC 5 3 1 1 0
Phoenix 3 0 2 1 0
S.A. 5 4 1 0 0
Utah 5 1 1 2 1
 

Most of the schedule disparities here are gone.  Most teams will win some of their back to backs, anyway, so a disparity of 1 or 2 over 30 games means little.  

Now, games where we are not on a back to back, but our opponent is:

  Total Cat4 Cat3 Cat2 Cat1
Portland 4 0 0 2 2
Dallas 6 0 0 4 2
Denver 6 1 0 5 0
Houston 6 0 0 3 3
L.A. 3 2 0 0 1
Memphis 4 1 1 1 1
N.O. 6 2 0 2 2
OKC 3 0 2 1 0
Phoenix 5 0 0 3 2
S.A. 4 0 0 3 1
Utah 4 1 1 0 2
 

Again, a little help for Dallas, Denver, Houston, and N.O. from playing "tired opponents" games, but it shouldn't be a major factor down the stretch. 

The Projections

Here is the vital stuff:  the jscot Stupid Sched Projections. 

Standard Disclaimer:  How these work (if they can be said to work, which is doubtful), and why they are stupid, is explained in previous posts.  Do not blame me.  This is only the numbers.  It isn't the spreadsheet's fault, either, the spreadsheet is only doing what it is told to do.  Someone was stupid enough to tell the spreadsheet to do it, but if we want to talk about stupid, you are actually reading this.

End of year rankings if everyone keeps winning in every category at exactly the same rate for the rest of the season, and if no .500 or better team turns into a losing team, or vice versa.

  1. L.A.  59.9 wins (down from 60.3).   
  2. Denver.  54.6 wins (down from 55.3).
  3. Dallas.  51.3 wins (down from 51.8).
  4. Utah.  51.3 wins (up from 50.8).
  5. Phoenix.  50.3 wins (up from 47.6).  
  6. Portland.  46.2 wins (down from 46.9).
  7. OKC.  46.0 wins (up from 44.3 in 10th).
  8. Houston.  45.8 wins (down from 46.1).
  9. S.A.  45.2 wins (down from 46.6 in 7th).
  10. Memphis.  42.7 wins (down from 44.3, up from 11th).
  11. N.O.  42.4 wins (down from 45.2 in 9th).

Utah is breathing down Dallas' neck, Phoenix moves way up.  As last week, the projections put 46 wins as necessary for a playoff spot, but as of today there are only 9 legit contenders for the top eight spots, with two teams still in striking distance but dropping back.  The gap between Portland in 6th and 11th position last week was 2.6 wins, this week it is 3.8.  Two teams dropping back, two behind us (Houston and S.A.) looking somewhat vulnerable, and an opportunity this week to increase the gap between us and the other team just behind us.

Up until this week, it just got tighter and tighter.  The danger was always that several teams behind us would go on a hot streak like Utah, OKC, and Phoenix have done.  We could withstand a couple teams doing that, but every team that drops back decreases that danger.

The Coming Week

  1. Portland.  Two more big games before the break, a Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" at home against OKC, and a BtoB Cat 4 at Phoenix.  Both opponents play only one game this week, against us.  Both have won their last five.  As we continue this "Staying Alive" phase of the season without Brandon, if we want to maintain our challenge for better than an 8 seed, we need to get one -- two would be a bonus.     
  2. Dallas.  Having lost 4 of the last 5, they need to get back on track, but this shortened week won't be easy.  A Cat 3 "Banana Peel" at Golden State and then a BtoB Cat 4 "Rocky Road" at Denver.  
  3. Denver.  Two games, a Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" against Dallas (Mavs on a BtoB), then another against San Antonio.      
  4. Houston.  Only one game, a Cat 3 "Banana Peel" at Miami.    
  5. L.A.  A Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" at home against the Spurs, then a Cat 4 "Rocky Road" at Utah, with the Jazz on a BtoB.     
  6. Memphis.  After 11 straight home wins, they've lost 3 of their last 4.  They get one try this week, but it won't be easy, a Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" hosting Atlanta.  They desperately need a win.  
  7. N.O.  Two games, a Cat 4 "Rocky Road" at Orlando (Magic on a BtoB) and then a Cat 2 at home against Boston.  If they can figure out a way to get one of them, they'll stay alive for another week. 
  8. The "Blunder".  Just one game, Cat 4 "Rocky Road" at Portland.  This is probably the best opportunity they'll get to pay us back for winning in OKC earlier this year.  They would love to go into the break on a six game winning streak.
  9. Phoenix.  A week and a half ago, they looked like they might be on their way out of the playoff picture.  Five straight wins, including four on the road and four against winning teams, and they look like a contender for home court advantage.  They have only one game, a Cat 2 "Jawbreaker" against Portland, who will be on a BtoB. 
  10. S.A.  Two Cat 4 Rocky Road games, at L.A. and Denver.  Doesn't get much harder than that.  A split would be a great week.  They've been saving most of their tough games until the later part of the season, now they pay the piper. 
  11. Utah.  Two games, a Cat 3 "Banana Peel" at the Clippers, then a BtoB "Jawbreaker" at home against the L@kers.  Can they keep it rolling until the break?  That game at the Clips may be more dangerous for them than it looks.  

Let's go back in time.  After the Milwaukee game, if you had known we would have to play the next 15 games with: 1) Brandon playing only one half of one game 2) all the other injuries 3) Jerryd missing some time with injuries as well 4) 8 road games (5 against winning teams) 5) 6 of the 7 home games against winning teams, and the 7th against a hot Charlotte team, what would you have thought? 

I would have taken a 5-10 record over those 15 games.  If you had offered me the chance to fast forward and take five wins, I'd have thought about it and taken it.  There were no easy games, not a single one.  I would have said that if we finished this stretch with 5 wins, that would have kept us 3 games above .500 coming out of the ASB, with Brandon back, and still in a position to make a stretch run.  If you had offered me six wins out of the 15, I wouldn't have even had to think about it.  Six wins out of the last 15 before the ASB, without our centers, without Brandon, without Travis, with Rudy still struggling with confidence, with Nic not yet back to full strength?  It's ludicrous to expect we could get six against that schedule.

Except that is what we have, with two games left.  6-7 in this stretch.  You have to love this team.

A Look at Tie-Breakers

We looked at this 3 weeks ago, but several things have changed since then.

From NBA.com, bottom of the standings page:

TIEBREAKER BASIS:
(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division
(2) Head-to-head won-lost percentage
(3) Division won-lost percentage
(4) Conference won-lost percentage
(5) W-L Percentage vs. Playoff teams, own conference
(6) W-L Percentage vs. Playoff teams, other conference
(7) Net Points, all games

 

Dispensing with tie-breaker #1

Tiebreaker #1 kicks in only if we end up in a tie with the winners of the Southwest or Pacific divisions (if we end up in a tie for the NW division, it is irrelevant).  Suffice to say that if we end up in a tie with the winners of either of those divisions, we will be in the playoffs with a very good seed -- so I'm not going to worry about that one. 

L.A.

The only tie-breaker that matters here is #2, head to head.  We are 1-1, with one game remaining in L.A.  To win the tie-breaker, we need to win that game.  Strong edge to L.A.

Denver

The second tie-breaker is head to head.  We are 1-1 against them, with two games at Denver.  The first is on March 7th, and we have three days off before that game, while they host Indiana two nights earlier.  The second is on April 1st, a back to back for us (home against NY the night before).  If they win both, they win the tie-breaker.  If we win both, we win it.  If we split, it goes to #3, division record.  They are 7-4 (losses at Utah and OKC in the three weeks since we looked at this), we are 5-4 (losses home and away to Utah in the last three weeks).  If we can split in Denver, tie-breaker #3 looks fairly even.  In conference (tie-breaker #4), they are 21-11 while we are 19-12 -- we've lost our edge over them here, slight advantage at this point to Denver.  In reality, we're five games behind them, and to end up in a tie-breaker with them, we are going to have to win a lot more games than they will the rest of the way, which means IF we tie them, we will at least match them on #3 and we will beat them on #4.  Head to head, though, is likely to go their way.  Edge to Denver.

Dallas

Criterion #2 is head to head.  We are 2-0 against them.  We host them twice, in late March and in early April, needing one win to win the tie-breaker.  If they win both, it goes to the next tie-breaker, conference record -- we are 19-12, they are 17-14.  We've lost some of our edge here, and if they beat us twice, we would be tied in conference, as well.  However, those two losses would put us so far behind them that we would have to dominate the rest of our conference games to tie them in the standings, and we would have a better conference record.  If we end up tied with Dallas, strong edge to Portland on tie-breaker.

Utah

We are 0-3 against Utah, with only one home game left on 2/21.  Utah wins the tie-breaker. 

Phoenix

We only play Phoenix three times, so head to head will decide it.  We are 1-0, with the two remaining games in Phoenix, this week (we play OKC the night before) and March 21 (neither team on a BtoB).  If we win one of those two games, we win the tie-breaker.  We should have a decent chance to split those games and win the tiebreaker.  Slight edge to Portland.

S.A.

We are 3-0 against them, with no games remaining.  The only way they win a tie-breaker with us is if they win their division, we don't win ours, and we are tied (tie-breaker #1).  We win the tie-breaker with San Antonio.

OKC

We are 1-0 against the "Blunder", with home games on 2/9 and 4/12 (both teams on a BtoB, we play at the L@kers and they play at G.S. the night before), and an away game on 3/28 (BtoB for us, we play at N.O. the night before).  They need to win one in Portland and hold their home court to take it to divisional record.  We are 5-4 in division, they are 4-2 (the main difference being they haven't played Minnesota yet have only played Minnesota once).  If they can get 2 of 3 against us, it increases their divisional advantage as well.  If it should go to conference record, we are 19-12 and they are 13-15.  If we hold home-court against them, we win the tie-breaker.  If they can beat us three straight, they win.  If they win two of three, they have an advantage on divisional record.  If they win two of three and we can catch them on divisional record, it is doubtful they beat us on conference record.  The head to head is key, and we have the advantage.  Edge to Portland.

Houston

We are 2-2 against Houston.  Since we are in different divisions the next relevant tie-breaker is #4, conference record.  We are 19-12, they are 21-14.  Interestingly, they have played 3 fewer games than us, but four more in conference.  This could actually go to tie-breaker #5, W/L percentage against playoff teams in the Western Conference.  Using the current standings, we are #8 and they are #9, so this would be against the 7 teams ahead of us.  We are 5-2 on the road against those teams (!!!), 5-3 at home, 10-5 overall.  Houston is 4-5 on the road, 3-6 at home, 7-11 overall.  Tie-breaker #2 is tied, #4 is up in the air, we own #5.  Slight edge to Portland.

N.O.

We are 1-1 against the Hornets, with one game remaining, away on 3/27.  Neither team is on a BtoB.  They are tough at home -- we needed to win in Portland to get this one.  Probably won't matter -- they will probably be out of the hunt before CP3 returns, but they are likely to own the tie-breaker against us if it comes to that.  Strong edge to New Orleans.

Memphis

We are 1-2 against Memphis, with one more on 3/1 at Memphis.  The matchup is difficult for us, and it is in Memphis.  However, if we can win that one, they are 17-18 in conference and we are 19-12, so we should win the next tie-breaker easily.  Edge to Memphis.

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Never caught that disclamer before

Seriously awesome. Good work on the research, thanks.

Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.

Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar

by Batumshakalaka on Feb 8, 2010 4:39 AM PST reply actions  

LOL

How could you miss my disclaimers?

#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Feb 8, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I wrote this on Friday, and I'm sticking with it:

We will finish in the top 6

barring any more significant injuries (yes, I have to include that disclaimer this year), I am certain we finish 6th or better. I think once we are all finally healthy here after the break (sans centers of course), we are going to go on a nice run that will push us up into the 4-6 conversation.

March sets up pretty nicely for us:
combined .470 winning percentage (.431 in 6 home games, .503 in 7 road games)
3 full days off before playing @denver
4 full days off in between home games (Tor/Wash)
3 full days off before hosting Dallas
2 full days off before hosting New York to close the month

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Feb 8, 2010 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

if Roy's back soon after the allstar break, that's a possibility

if he’s out another 10 games or so, hanging on to the 8 seed would be an impressive achievement.

Free AK1984

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

when I wrote this I was operating on the Roy back right after the ASG assumption

if that proves NOT to be the case, then all bets are off.

"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare

by douglast on Feb 8, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I pretty much agree

Your assumption is implied by “finally healthy here after the break”.

Who is going to beat us out? The Spurs? Well, they have the advantage of not having to play us anymore.

I think we can safely put LA and Denver ahead of us. I think we can probably put Dallas and Utah ahead of us (we’ll see how Utah does with 60% of their games on the road, though, and Dallas is vulnerable to some bad losses). So in all probability we’ll struggle to get home court advantage.

Then comes Phoenix, San Antonio, Houston, and OKC. I think it may take 46 wins to make the playoffs, but I think 48 beats at least two and maybe three of those teams.

And I think if we are healthy after the break, we get those 48 wins, and maybe as high as 50.

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by jscot on Feb 8, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

One more caveat

We’re talking about the team as currently constituted. It is obviously possible that KP pulls a trade, which could help us this year, or could hurt us this year even if it helps in the long run.

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by jscot on Feb 8, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

Before I wrote my post on Friday (which I copied from your last week’s thread, where no one probably saw it), I went out and looked at the competition. I see LA, Den, Dal as the likely top 3, with Utah looking increasingly likely as the #4.

After that, I pretty much like our chances against everyone else, which is where I settled on the 4 to 6 range. Team by team:
Spurs – I don’t see any way we don’t beat them out. Their schedule is seriously road heavy, and they can’t beat good teams at all
Phoenix – This ones the hardest to see. They are kind of an enigma to me. I can see us finishing higher than them, but I can also see the opposite. Perhaps it will depend on what moves, if any, both teams make.
New Orleans – will be well behind if/when Paul makes it back
Memphis – too young and inconsistent. Nice run, maybe next year.
Houston – have done well due to great coaching and unselfish play, but lack of star power is catching up to them now.
OKC – Playing great staying healthy. We SHOULD beat them out, but I could see the other way. the head to heads left likely settle it.

So, put it all together, And I have us as a tossup with Phoenix and OKC for the 5 to 7 spots. Even if they both beat us out, we are 7th. I just can’t see any one of SA, Memphis, Houston, or New Orleans finishing ahead of us, let alone two of them.

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by douglast on Feb 8, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

here's hoping

that we don’t end up fifth with Utah fourth. I would much rather play Dallas in the playoffs.

by vullkem116 on Feb 8, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

ditto

although last year the Blazers couldn’t beat the Mavs, what difference a year makes

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 8, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not quite as confident as you

about the Spurs. They have been so horrible against winning teams that they only have to win a few to get a significant improvement. They have been dominating bad teams, and those wins count, too.

The addition of Jefferson hasn’t helped them, they just haven’t gelled together. That could happen at any time, and if it does, they could easily win 6-7 in a row, even on the road. That would change the whole dynamic of the season for them.

Nothing would surprise me, except them missing the playoffs. I could see them anywhere from #3-8. Even missing the playoffs wouldn’t be a huge shock, but it would be a surprise.

Other than that, I agree with you.

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by jscot on Feb 9, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

So to get to 50 we would have to go 20-9, to 48 we would need to go 18-11

Both of those % are higher than we are currently at and really better than we have played the whole season (except for our 12-5 start – with Oden and Pryzbilla). I hope you are right, but I think 18-11 could be a stretch. Especially if we don’t split these next two games as then that becomes 20-7 and 18-9.

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by blazermaniac32 on Feb 9, 2010 5:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I do think 50 is our ceiling

But if Roy comes back healthy after the break, we are going to be healthier than we’ve been since we lost Greg. Nic is back and getting better, Rudy is back, Travis is supposed to be back soon. Jerryd has established himself as a threat, Andre is used to the team and the team used to him, etc.

I can definitely see this team finishing strong, if we are healthy.

We’ve played more games than all of our rivals. That has cost us, especially with the injuries, but will benefit us the rest of the way.

This team has learned how to play without a center now. It hurts us against bruising teams like Utah, LAC, and Memphis, but other than that, we hold our own. We’ll win more than we lose after the break. The only question is how many more.

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by jscot on Feb 9, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I go with this only if Brandon Roy comes back and plays relatively soon. I have a feeling he will

be out longer than everyone is saying. I think Roy’s being back is more a matter of what he brings to the confidence level of the team than anything else.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

won't matter for seeding

By winning the SW division, Dallas would be guaranteed at least a top 3 seed. If they don’t beat out the Nuggets, the best Utah can do is the 4 spot.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

ha apparently i am wrong

winning the division only guarantees you a top 4 spot. So yeah, Utah could catch ’em.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

A word to the savvy ..

Better add a disclaimer covering typos and misspelled words.

#52

by CatMan2 on Feb 12, 2010 10:39 PM PST reply actions  

LOLOLOL

Oops. I think that’s not in the dictionary….

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