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Game 51 Recap: Blazers 105, Jazz 118

Long Story Short:  As expect the Blazers get dismissed by the Jazz in a game where the offense clicked but couldn't make up for the lack of interior defense.

The Game

Well, if you've ever sat up late at night thinking, "I wonder what would happen if nobody guarded Mehmet Okur..." wonder no more.  The answer is 11-13 shooting and 28 points, a line atypical of Okur but typical of the way the Jazz exploit Portland's current lack of interior presence.

Normally I talk about the flow of the game as I recap but I'm not sure that's even necessary tonight.  The story stayed about the same throughout.  Portland actually played well, especially compared to last week's game where the Jazz drubbed them mercilessly.  The Blazers hustled, poked away 7 steals, got a boatload of offensive rebounds (16), and scored 16 fast break points, beating Utah in that category by 1.  On many possessions the Blazers got good shots, either easy buckets at the rim or open jumpers.  Sometimes they were forced into deep shots against the clock but it's not like the Jazz were stifling them all night.  Portland shot 42.5% for the night, hit 8-19 from the arc (42%), and drew 28 foul shots, hitting 23.  But for a few sloppy turnovers in transition their numbers would have been even better.  Portland's overall turnovers numbered only 8 though, so it's not like they were loose with the ball.

But here's the other shoe dropping.  The Jazz demolished the Blazers inside off of cuts and drives.  Every quarter provided multiple highlight-worthy passes followed by dunks.  They just never stopped.  Okur butchered Aldridge from the outside and Howard on the inside.  Kirilenko, playing power forward, got free from everyone the Blazers sent.  Portland's guards couldn't contain either and they weren't consistently alert getting back in transition.  Utah had 62 points in the paint and shot 62.7% overall.  No matter how well Portland's offense was clicking they weren't going to generate enough points to overcome that kind of flow.  To wit:  the Blazers once again out-attempted Utah by a vast margin, 87 shots to 67 but the Jazz had 5 more field goal makes.  Even though 16 offensive rebounds sounds (and is) impressive that also meant 16 missed shots to get them plus more missed shots afterwards.  Add in 29-32 free throw shooting for Utah because of their strong interior presence and motion and the Blazers never really had a chance. 

Though the game had peaks and valleys Portland never got miserably outplayed.  It's not like the Jazz went on a 20-2 run the Blazers couldn't answer.  But Utah scored 29, 31, 28, and 30 in their four periods while the Blazers only managed 27, 25, 25, and 28.  Utah won every quarter...not by a lot, but when you win every one you don't need to win by a lot to make the game comfortable.

This matchup makes me really, really miss Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla.  I'm not saying Utah couldn't have won one or both of the two tilts we've seen in the last week had our centers been playing.  They might well have won those games anyway.  But they wouldn't have looked like this.  At it was, the Blazers were trying to swim across the Columbia tonight.  The goal looks achievable point-to-point if the effort is there but in reality you get swept by the current and never really have a chance.

Individual Observations

I thought LaMarcus had one of his better offensive games of the year.  He looked aggressive and played like he wasn't going to stand for a repeat of last week's personal slaughter.  Of course Carlos Boozer wasn't playing tonight but Aldridge took it out on the Jazz anyway.  He shot 8-18 but the more impressive stat was 15 free throws drawn (which is, like, five games' worth for him).  He finished with 27 points, 5 offensive rebounds, 12 rebounds overall, and 5 assists.  I mentioned the defense just above so I won't belabor it here.

Jerryd Bayless was another guy with pop to his offensive game.  He had a monster drive and double-clutch dunk from the left corner in the first period but he lost his grip on the rim afterwards and fell flat on his face with his arm beneath him.  He came back later in the game with a wrap and the Jazz announcers were calling it a sprain.  It seemed to inhibit his driving.  It was too bad because I wanted to see what would have happened had Jerryd taken 25 attempts in this game instead of 12.  5-12 shooting, 3 assists, 14 points.

Martell Webster took 17 shots tonight, second only to Aldridge.  He hit only 8 and went 3-9 from distance but some of those were bail-out shot clock beaters.  He finished the game with 20 points in 36 minutes but he had only 3 rebounds to go along with 2 steals.

Nicolas Batum made 3 of 3 field goals in 14 minutes, had 8 points, and nearly matched Martell's rebounding output with 2.  This is a conundrum the Blazers are facing, as Ben outlined today.  My take:  I respect that Martell was rolling but Nic can't get 14 minutes.  I don't say that about many players...any players really.  But this is not a "platoonable" position long-term.  Batum does too much to help the team.  Update:  Apparently Nic was experiencing some pain.  More as it becomes available.

Juwan Howard had 10 rebounds in 33 minutes but this was the first game in a while where I was left with the impression I expected to have of Juwan this year, which was that he's overmatched.  He just didn't seem to have the fire tonight.  He certainly wasn't effective.  You can say that Paul Millsap scored only 12 points while being watched by Juwan for much of the evening but Paul Millsap also took only 8 shots.  Plus he had 5 assists.  Had the Jazz needed Millsap he would have been there.  3-7 shooting for Juwan, 6 points, 5 of each type of rebound in 33 minutes.

Andre Miller couldn't get it going, especially when shooting the jumper.  He shot 3-13 for 9 points and had 4 assists.

Steve Blake got some extra minutes because of Jerryd's arm injury and did OK.  At least he's looking more confident than he was a couple weeks ago.  With Blake, Miller, and Bayless we could talk about defense as the Utah guards (Wes Matthews aside) didn't have spectacular scoring nights.  But in reality Utah got everything it wanted, as evidenced by Deron Williams' 13 assists.  Blake scored 8 with 3 boards and 2 assists in 21 minutes.

Rudy Fernandez had another of his painful nights to watch on offense, not so much because he missed shots (he went 1-5 for 7 points) but because he refused to take them.  He might be trying to emphasize the unselfish point-guardy aspects of his game but even point guards need to take shots they're capable of making.  Rudy is passing up opportunities he doesn't normally think twice about.  Someone needs to tap him on the shoulder and tell him it's OK to shoot...in fact it helps us when he does.  2 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal.

Dante Cunningham is not lacking confidence in his shot or anything else right now.  As usual he was all over the floor in his 15 minutes, registering a spectacular block, 2 steals, 3 rebounds and 4 points plus only 1 personal foul.  I'm finding myself looking forward to the stretches he'll be playing.  On the podcast last week Dwight Jaynes mentioned noticing players and Dante is one of those guys who's starting to grab eyes.

Jeff Pendergraph had another 5-minute, 2-foul outing.  He fouls hard...you have to give him that.  If he were a poker player you'd say he's being over-aggressive right now, trying to get some lost chips back perhaps.  He needs to get back to playing his hand and the opponent instead of shoving his stack in on every play.

Paddy Mills hit a nice running bank shot in his minute of play, scoring 2 points.

Final Thoughts

San Antonio is a different opponent tomorrow night and the Rose Garden a different venue.  Hopefully we'll see the same kind of hustle and offensive energy because it could well translate into a win.

Boxscore

See if Utah fans still respect us in the morning at SLCDunk.

See your Jersey Contest score for this game here and enter tomorrow's form right here.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Nic was in the locker room at one point

I don’t think he gets 14 minutes without being in some pain.

by Section323 on Feb 3, 2010 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

I didn't get to hear the play that caused it...

But Wheels and Tone were both talking about Batum taking it hard in his right shoulder, so that apparently did limit his minutes.

by conspirator5 on Feb 3, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't show up

on the Utah TV feed.

—Dave

by Dave on Feb 3, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

how dare they

not care about Nic as much as we do!

by Section323 on Feb 3, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

But this is not a “platoonable” position long-term. Batum does too much to help the team.

This is still a true statement. When both SFs are healthy, Webster should be the one getting the 15-18 mpg

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Pain is...

…listening to the Mike’s bemoan the refs, yet again!

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

Again, about Wheels and Tone

They are both more likely to respect the refs calls than the Mike’s, and they were getting whiny about it by the 4th period as well. Of course, Tone rightfully points out in these situations that reffing is not what cost the Blazers this game… but it didn’t stop them from calling the refs out just the same.

by conspirator5 on Feb 3, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

that's my least favorite thing about Blazers' broadcasting:

it’s so provincial to complain about refs all the time.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, fair enough

But Portland is provincial by defenition. Chuck Palahnuik nailed that about the Pacific NW perfectly in Freaks and Refugees. Now, I understand that for many hipsters, Portland is in fact the center of the universe, but that doesn’t mean we need to put on airs and pretend we’re too good for a nice, self-indulgent gripe fest.

If it helps, try to think of it as, ah, “speaking truth to power”, or “fighting the Man.”

by conspirator5 on Feb 3, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think of it as weak.

It was weak when Adelman, Terry, and Clyde sulked like a bunch of babies, and it’s pretty crappy that our play-by-play guys spend so much time focusing on the refs. The team doesn’t focus on it. Nate doesn’t focus on it. Lets take their example and show some class, regardless of our market size.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 4, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I sure don’t want a “return” to Adelman’s whiny voice, but Sloan and Poppovich really know how to “work” the refs, and it does make a difference in the way the games are called over the long haul

If your team always plays aggressive D, the refs will adjust to your “style” and give you the benefit of the doubt. It might not be fun to watch the games being “uglified” but when your team gets handed the trophy in June, no fans will be complaining

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree that sometimes Barrett in particular is embarassingly homerish

at least Rice is just playing a character

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 4, 2010 6:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Watching aound the league...

…while I had the NBALP free preview really opened my eyes to broadcasters that could objectively call the game. Something that hasn’t been here since the days of the ‘Snapper’.

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a bad matchup.

Utah is disciplined enough to know that if they work the ball around and be patient, big holes will open up right under the basket against this Portland team.

GG for LMA – he brought some enthusiasm and grit tonight.

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Feb 3, 2010 9:34 PM PST reply actions  

true, but boy that was tough to watch

Hey, look at that cutter, he’s wide open… again.

by Section323 on Feb 3, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Quit making fun of me

Coach Sloan wanted me to tell you to quit making fun of his tie!

by motoninja on Feb 3, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

lol... i'm tellin ya, he borrowed it from Barney Miller!

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Feb 4, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

sounds like LMA was a sieve on d

so yeah…

Can’t let you guys get away with tossing out half the game

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 4, 2010 6:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Is there a reason you are calling him Paddy Mills and not Patty?

Maybe because he was trying to pad his stats at the end of the bobcats game?

RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert

by Rudiculous on Feb 3, 2010 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

I call him Paddy, too.

It’s just that I spell it P-A-T-T-Y

by tblazers on Feb 3, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It never hurts to dream Dave

#7, #10, #25, #52,

by The Arkitect on Feb 4, 2010 1:12 AM PST up reply actions  

what's green and sits outside?

Paddy O’Furniture

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Utah

Blazers played a decent game, the big problem is Utah is just scary good. Even without Boozer in the lineup, which is even a scarier fact.

Right now I would say Utah is playing at the level of #1 in the NBA. Celtics have been struggling some, Orlando has been off and on, even Lakers have been pretty uneven lately.

If the NBA finals were based on the best teams in each conference right now, I believe you are looking at Cleveland versus Utah.

by lsjogren on Feb 3, 2010 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

Jazz Fan

Hiya Blazer Fans, just wanted to tell ya I’m impressed with how your teams plays every time I watch ya. They have lots of talent but what gets me is how they always seem to try especially considering all your injuries. Really reminds me of the jazz last year. Anyway best of luck rest of the season and great blog you guys keep here.

by Ashaman on Feb 3, 2010 9:47 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks much for the good words Ashaman

But I have to admit I’m beginning to get really torqued at your boys. I’m trying to save all my hate for the Lakers and Nuggets, but the way Sloan is exploiting our interior weakness, I’m having to dig deep and find new sources of seething anger to work with. _

by conspirator5 on Feb 3, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya the jazz system with sending 2-3 cutters per possession really exploits the holes left by your injuries. I think it would be toss up if you guys had the full roster going. Im all with ya on the Laker and nugget hate. At least I can respect you guys :)

by Ashaman on Feb 3, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Blazer Fan.

Hiya Jazz Fan, just wanted to tell ya I’m impressed with how your fans boo every call—-even when it’s painfully obvious to everyone that the ref is correct. They have lots of groaning talent but what gets me is how they always seem to try especially considering all your calls you get at home. Really reminds me of the Jazz fans last year. And the year before. And so forth. Anyway best of luck rest of the season and great complaining you guys do there.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

That seems a little much, don’t you think? I’d say that our crowd tends to do plenty of complaining about calls…

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

no---no I don't think it's a bit much.

I hate the Jazz and I hate their fans. I hate the fact that they boo every call. they are the worst and it’s no even close.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh give me a break, its not like your fans or any other fans in nba dont do that. In fact, if a fanbase didn’t do that they don’t deserve a team. Its called cheering and getting emotional about the game. Its what makes going to games fun

by Ashaman on Feb 3, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

but your fans are the best at it!

it was a compliment;)

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I always complain about calls against the Blazers

until I see a replay proving it to be the right call, at which point I begrudgingly let the refs off…temporarily.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

lol i hear ya, its to much fun to hate on the refs

by Ashaman on Feb 3, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed

it will be a sad day when all sports refs/umps are replaced with robots and computers…what will I complain about then?!?

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

this isn't about you though

it’s about me hating the Jazz and their fans. my hatred is based on observations and facts. that makes it righteous!

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is thanks to Stockton and Malone

Two of the dirtiest players in NBA history.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

finally! another voice of reason.

the Jazz fans have taken on Sloan’s persona, seeing booing as a way to voice displeasure and to manipulate the refs rather than a way to voice an actual gripe. Nate rarely works the refs but Sloan has been one of the biggest complainers ever. he makes Adelman look tame!

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He and Phil Jackson

Should have a work the refs competition.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

it's part of the game. no doubt about it.

it shouldn’t be but as long as there are “make up calls” and star treatment it’s a fact of the game.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Heck look at college

Coach K is awesome at it.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't argue with that

though it was easier to stoke the hate when we were battling them deep in the playoffs…

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

No offense to you or anything....

but I can’t stand your team and I will dance an Irish jig when Sloan retires. And that shot that Gaines took that left the Blazers with .8 seconds left on the clock to shoot and put Utah up by 13 instead of 11 was classy!!

by jenstcy on Feb 4, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Mills

Well, Mills only has one field goal in NBA play so far but I thought it was a darn good one.

I really hope Mills doesn’t wind up signing with another team in the off season on account of concern he’d spend all next year on the bench.

Another reason why it is important to thin the herd.

by lsjogren on Feb 3, 2010 9:50 PM PST reply actions  

he has...let's see now...

ONE basket in garbage time to his resume’.

hehe. I MEAN, COME ON! what can Patty do that J-Bay can’t do? besides get his shot blocked every time he goes to the hole…

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

He can remind me of exgirlfriends

Patty Sweaney, Patty Cleary, Patty Gillespie and Patty Boyle. Or he can call himself Patrick like a man.

ignacio

by ignacio on Feb 3, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Patty Hearst?

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what a team offense looks like

Blazers have a lot to learn from Jerry Sloan on both ends of the court.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Feb 3, 2010 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

yes indeed.

They’re on a tear and Okur and Milsap can shoot. AK finally looks right physically and what can you say about Williams. Stud. Very well coached team.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 3, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

goog fundamental basketball

was played by Utah and if you, the Blazers, don’t understand how to play it on offense you are not going to be able stop in on defense. Learn Portland or suffer.

by MPP24 on Feb 4, 2010 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Well now,

let’s not get carried away too far. As I recall the Blazers have had a fair amount of success against Utah in the Roy era. The main problem for Portland in the last two games has not been execution or style as much as having half the rotation in street clothes. Let’s take out Deron Williams, Mehmet Okur, Paul Millsap, and C.J. Miles and give Portland its roster back and see how much “learning” the Jazz then have to do.

—Dave

by Dave on Feb 4, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

This game was tough with Roy

Without him dang near impossible.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

the Mike's

I don’t understand what the complaint is about the Mikes. They point out when the Blazers got a break because of a bad call. Now they aren’t exactly unhappy when that happens, but they do acknowledge the situation.

by lsjogren on Feb 3, 2010 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

They're an acquired taste

Especially when Rice goes on one of his drunken rants.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

some if I don’t know, but there was one hilarious moment when Rice claimed that the Blazers complain less than any team in the league…

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the "orange juice" talking

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha ha, yes

I tend to get over-exuberant over just about everything the team does…but this is one of those claims I just can’t get behind.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

he was talking about the Coach

Nate doesn’t say a word that can be heard

by MPP24 on Feb 4, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Blazer's Coach

Depending on how you do once you get Roy back, I really think it should be Nate and the Memphis coach for coach of the year. Really amazing how you guys keep playing hard with what you have been through. Though I don’t want him to win it since that would mean he would be fired a year or two latter :p

by Ashaman on Feb 3, 2010 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

And Hollins is himself an ex-Blazer

Proving we are awesome.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Some people here

would be in favor of that scenario, oddly enough.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

ouch really? it really seems like there a too few good coaches out there to pick from so hold on to what ya got. Stability is key and with the young roster makes that even more important IMO.

by Ashaman on Feb 3, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Hear hear

I hate it when I see coaches shown the door before they can really get going.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

can you imagine Nate coaching Portland into his 60s like Jerry?

that would drive some Bedgers right up the wall

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Just looking at the score

seems like defense is more of the problem than the offense.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

They were hitting some ridiculous shots

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

but sadly, also a great many not-so-ridiculous shots.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah i have never seen a team get dunked on so many consecutive time.

It was not pretty.

"Batum must be french for:
being at the right place at the right time"
- StudMuffin15 @ Rufus On Fire

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...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Feb 4, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Or that Sloan runs an offense that maximizes his players abilities and exploits Nate's ability to gameplan against it...

Three games this season, and they have shot 58%, 60%, and 63% against us. I hope Nate looks at those numbers and feels like he got punked by a far superior coach…

RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert

by Rudiculous on Feb 3, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Sloans players have adjusted to his offense

Not the other way around.

A positive attitude will not solve all of your problems but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright

Keep the faith.

by fajunga on Feb 4, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate wouldn't say it like that

but he has tremendous respect for Jerry

I just wish their offenses were more similar…I could live with 2-3 cutters per possession

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

+ 1

seems like defense is more of the problem than the offense.

by WyEast on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Without our best player

Hard to evaluate.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

or our centers

Portland’s reliance on centers to cover cutters and mitigate offensive rebounding made Portland a tough matchup for Utah.

Now, Portland doesn’t have a safety net when the wings have to rotate and the Jazz look for the weakside opportunity to score. Wings don’t make for good interior defenders against bigs.

by blacknoiseNW on Feb 4, 2010 2:51 AM PST up reply actions  

nic @ Ronnie Brewer: from OLive
Batum tweaked his shoulder in the second quarter while playing defense on Ronnie Brewer and his shoulder was heavily bandaged after the game. Brewer made a sudden cut while he was running through the Jazz’ constantly-moving offense and ran directly into Batum’s shoulder.

With 8:38 left in the first half, Batum pulled himself from the game and walked directly toward the Blazers’ locker room to get evaluated by assistant athletic trainer Geoff Clark. He missed the rest of the first half but played eight minutes, 29 seconds after halftime, finishing with eight points.

After the game, Batum called his injury "no big deal," and said he intended to play Thursday night against the San Antonio Spurs at the Rose Garden But Batum was annoyed at Brewer, saying the Jazz’ starting shooting guard went at his shoulder intentionally.

"I know he did it on purpose because he tries to get me every time," Batum said. "Last game, he did the same."

by CleBlazer on Feb 3, 2010 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

Free Marty!

Time to see what this Webster guy is made of…

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Did the same thing to Rudy in Detroit

Freaking jackasses.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

You would hope that sportsmanship at the pro level would be better

and yet, pro players in every sport continue to disappoint me.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

Players are taught from Day 1 to attack weakness.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

remember?

they hate us…KP got all toxic with them!

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

I’m sure Millsap isn’t too unhappy with the way it turned out.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

why no payback from Blazers for this

how come one of our bigs (Pendy, J-Ho, DC) didn’t put Brewer on the floor with a hard hard foul the next time he came through the lane for slamming Nic’s shoulder like that?

by crazybee on Feb 4, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

he's cool with it

MGMT…not so much

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:23 PM PST reply actions  

Great execution by Utah combined with our poor recognition on defense was the difference tonight

How many times did Utah get a dunk or a layup after a cut to the basket? On defense watch your man not the player with the ball!

I kept yelling at my computer screen “if we can get a few stops we can get back in the game” and of course it never happened…. This game was very frustrating to watch.

On a positive note I loved our hustle and energy, 16 offensive rebounds is outstanding! LMA LA was aggressive offensively and got to the free throw line, tonight he was actually an efficient scorer! With this kind of effort/hustle, an aggressive LA and the return of Roy we will be poised to make a strong end of season run.

by WildlyRamified on Feb 3, 2010 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

LA earned his $ tonight

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Feb 3, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the kind of outing I expected to see more of this season

It seemed like at the end of last year he was much more physical and aggressive on the offensive end and it was really paying off for us. Then this season he has reverted to being a jumper happy, inefficient scorer. I hope to see more of the end of season LaMarcus from last year.

by WildlyRamified on Feb 3, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

really? it sounds like he gave up at least that and more on defense

defense is half the game…

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 4, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Not one single player played good defense last night

No point in singling out LA…

RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert

by Rudiculous on Feb 4, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

i've been hard on LA lately

…but, i’ll forgive him if he attempts to spin baseline like he did last night at least once a game. it’s so open.

by butterbuds on Feb 4, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Time for some Blazers to say goodbye.

Martell and Steve gotta go. Their inconsistency, lack of defense, poor shooting rhythm all are killing and will continue to kill the Blazers. You’re nice guys but Pritch, its time to let ’em go.

by osu_fugitive on Feb 3, 2010 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

it’s usually been good though this year… could be a single game aberation

#7, #10, #25, #52,

by The Arkitect on Feb 4, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

too be fair..

…both at least try on D. unlike travis and roy. but yeah they are both completely expendable when (assuming we do) get back to full strength.

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:34 PM PST reply actions  

their value is the question

..and i’d trade both of them right now for a healthy shoulder on Batum or courtside tickets to the Lakers game on Saturday

by osu_fugitive on Feb 3, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

O boy!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzjx4q5

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Somehow...

I don’t see the wizards going for this one.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

me neither

since they wanted to jack us for Rudy and Nic last week.

"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy

by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 3, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah

you can’t always get what you want, I suppose.

by jigglyai on Feb 3, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

heh, was a pretty painful game

But if you expected anything different.. well.. you’re a fool.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

by RyanRTE on Feb 3, 2010 11:19 PM PST reply actions  

The Jazz have the Blazer's number

at least this year. Hope Batum will be okay. Speaking of Batum, if they’re going to play him, they should start him. The shoulder isn’t going to know if he’s starting or coming off the bench. If he’s being regarded as a difference maker, make a difference at the start. It may be too late later in the game.

by rockman on Feb 3, 2010 11:42 PM PST reply actions  

That number is

1-800-no-defense…… and this is an 800 # that many teams have access to. They are not committed to defense, so Batum will not be a difference maker unless they invest more in his worth.
  Hope defense is in their future plans, if so Batum could be a star.

by WyEast on Feb 4, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

14 minutes for Batum is unacceptable.

ESPECIALLY in a game where we gave up 118 points.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Feb 4, 2010 12:04 AM PST reply actions  

pain*

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Feb 4, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Have to disagree about Steve was ok

Rudy is praying for a trade either for him or Steve who stunk much worse than the box score shows

by southern oregon on Feb 4, 2010 12:48 AM PST reply actions  

Jazz Toughness >>>>> Blazer toughness

Jazz system >>>> Blazer system

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 4, 2010 6:37 AM PST reply actions  

Wake up guys

look in the mirror. We are soft. Skilled, but soft. We can occassionally beat other soft teams, but the tough guys have our number. Last night was like taking candy from a baby.

by Iluvdisteam on Feb 4, 2010 6:54 AM PST up reply actions  

that's ridiculous

You will nary encounter a tougher, more grizzled and more disciplined team than the high-flying Dallas Mavericks. They had our number all year last year—clamping down on our offense down the stretch and executing with aplomb on the other hand. This year, we’ve whacked ’em twice at their place. Shorthanded.

Nene and Kenyon? Those guys are such weaklings. And Carmelo can’t get it done in 4th quarters, which is why we were able to beat the Nuggets on Christmas.

Yep, we sure can only beat those softies.

by atomiccafe on Feb 4, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Also,

that (insert expletive here) who ran the shot clock with 24.8 seconds down and then took a shot….. I hope that changes the Jazz’s luck. I hope those 2 points were worth it!!! Because if I remember correctly it was his ‘miracle’ shot against the Cavs that started their run. That just irritated me. Now instead of losing by 11 the Blazers lost by 13. What a (expletive).

by jenstcy on Feb 4, 2010 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

Every team does that

When they can’t run the clock out, they’ll usually just jack up a shot rather than taking the turnover. I’m sure the Blazers have done it many times before. Get over it. Plus, Gaines has seen precious little playing time since the Cleveland game, and has seen even fewer shots. Let him take one in garbage time if he wants.

Also, the Jazz run started before the Cleveland game, with an 18-point win in Dallas and a 29-point home win over Miami. So it wasn’t the ‘miracle’ shot that kicked this whole thing off. (insert expletive just for good measure)

[Sorry, don’t mean to be trolling or anything, this comment just made ticked me off a bit. Of all the things in that game to talk about, you pick a shot with .8 seconds left?

Also, to Blazers fans generally, just wanted to say that I really admire the way you guys play. Even with all those injuries, you manage to put a competitive, hard-working, fun-to-watch team on the floor every single night. I hope to see Roy back soon — he’s one of my favorite non-Jazz guys in the league. Best of luck the rest of the season (with the exception of the one remaining game against the Jazz).]

by shandonfan on Feb 4, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

No, every team does not do that if they are 11 pts ahead...

in the end the turn-over doesn’t matter because there’s only .8 left to shoot. I’m pretty sure if the tables were turn the Jazz would be offended by the Blazers piling on more points with 24.8 seconds left in the game when the white flag has already been waived. It’s just basketball ettiquette. But no offense to you or anything but I will delighted when Jerry Sloan retires. The 1st game Portland played in SLC this year, the Jazz were up by 20 pts and McMillan pulled the starters but Sloan kept all his starters in until the last seconds of the game. That’s class!!!

by jenstcy on Feb 4, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been watching NBA basketball for quite a while...

…and seeing a team up by double digits shoot in the last few seconds simply to avoid a shot clock violation is far from rare. It’s not like this was a flashy dunk he was pulling just to show off, it was a normal shot. And again, this is a rookie D-League call-up who hasn’t played much recently.

And with regards to the game in November, you need to know the context to understand why Sloan left the starters in. The Jazz had lost several big leads earlier that month in the third and fourth quarters, and in relatively short time spans (and occasionally against bad teams). At that point, the coaches (and fans) felt like no lead was really safe until the clock read 0:00, so Sloan left the starters in just to make sure we didn’t lose the lead. But Sloan does have an unfortunate habit of leaving the starters in for too long at the end of games … that’s a general gripe that many Jazz fans (as well as opposing teams’ fans) have about him, I’ll grant you that.

by shandonfan on Feb 4, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

sounds like "someone" bet on the over/under being +12

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by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy seems to be looking over his shoulder, afraid to miss a shot. As much as I like Rudy

I think he’s going to have to be traded. He’s only getting 15 to 20 minutes with Roy out injured. That’s just a waste of talent. If Nate can’t or won’t find minutes for him, he should be traded for someone who can help the team shore up a weakness.

by raoulduke on Feb 4, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

I agree that Rudy seems hesitant at times and had off nights

But his minutes haven’t been that low. Since Roy’s been out (the last eight games), Rudy’s averaged almost 25 minutes/game.

by Corvid on Feb 4, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy was fine last game

Nate coaches on feel. and when you go 1-7, I dont blame him for sitting the spanish wonder

Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson

by Benson on Feb 4, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not saying he should be traded because he's not a good player. I think he's a good player who will never thrive

in Nate’s system because he’s streaky and a risk taker, both of which make Nate break out in hives.

by raoulduke on Feb 4, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

this is true

and Rudy struggles on defense…But so does the rest of the team.

by WyEast on Feb 4, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

while this is true

As Dave wrote earlier this week…hoping that any Blazer gets traded because he’s been playing poorly isn’t the best way to improve the team

unless…there’s a GM out there who loves Rudy’s potential (and low-ball contract) and is willing to “overpay” for #5…then all bets are off

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by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess who had the worst +/- last night by a long shot?

Miller with -17

I get so annoyed watching him touch the ball. He doesn’t take a lot of open jumpers and when he does it’s uglier than Rosie O’Donnell’s personality. If he’s not passing up an open shot, he seems to stumble to the basket and throw up a prayer lay-in.

And while I’m talking about prayer lay-ins, I need to mention Bayless. He seems to be doing that less, which I like. But remember back in the day when the pro-Bayless folks were dissing Blake and saying put Bayless in because he can guard quicker guards and he inspired his teammates? I’m not seeing it.

by tominhawaii on Feb 4, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

The lack of defense hype?

I think they lived up to that pretty well last night. Sorry, I viewed the game as a loss attributed to bad defense (like I usually do)

by WyEast on Feb 4, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Hate to side with you

on Miller, but it appears that this guy pouts and mentally gets himself out of games.(maybe disagreeing with Nate’s game plan) I have also noticed that when Miller is up against an all-star quality point guard, he quite often disappears. I actually think this is more mental than physical, but who knows?
  That said, whether you look back at stats or see from observation, the whole team lacks consistency. You know, you see a great game then a bad one etc. Some of it is match ups that you would expect, but the team has no foundation for consistency. Injuries play a part as well…but inconsistent play is part of the norm for this team.
     I think that may be helped in the long term with quality minutes for say, 8 to 9 rotation players. The dispersal of minutes in the present rotation, lends itself to inconsistency because players with a small amount of minutes can’t get much rhythm in their play.

by WyEast on Feb 4, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Consistency has a lot to do with match-ups

I think Miller’s best game is posting up and he can’t post up Deron who’s an inch taller, after him the Blazers are counting on LA to hit 5-8 food jumpers or one of the other players to go off. Without Roy, there is no “dominate the game” player on the roster, so with the guys that are left, if the Blazers don’t have a mismatch, the Blazers are screwed.

I still stick with my original comments regarding Miller and Bayless. I was promised the world if those two started, back near the start of the season. I find it ironic that the two players who get the most heat for not living up to expectations are Blake and Aldridge.

by tominhawaii on Feb 4, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If you look at Miller

his post up ability only has merit, if he can do other things. In that I mean he must be a floor general first and then have the ability to recognize and take advantage of a match up or what the defense is willing to give you. It is clear that most teams want him to stay on the perimeter and are willing to take the chance on the outside shot.
  He is the best Portland has to offer at point guard in a distribution and organizing role. But has to have his “general stars on” to be at his best. (hence the problem)
  I think Bayless is getting the minutes at 2 guard because it is an opportunity for a good look at him. They have got player decisions coming up soon and the injuries are giving some players a chance to show their stuff. I still don’t see him as a starter, even in the future. He is not a true point guard because he has little court awareness, and he is no crackpot defender either. He’s an aggressive freelance type player that needs to rein in some control to get up a couple more levels. Fans seem to like the aggressiveness but you can’t blind yourself by not including his obvious shortcomings.
   I like Blake for all the obvious reasons, but he could end up the odd man out along with Outlaw. Of course the contracts could be a deciding factor.

  I have heard grapevine stuff about Blazer players. A small market (diminishing) exists for Outlaw, some for Prz and Rudy,.unknown about Blake, some but not much for Bayless , Miller & Webster, and a ton about Batum. This buzz usually tells you something about a player.

by WyEast on Feb 4, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

A small market (diminishing) exists for Outlaw, some for Prz and Rudy,.unknown about Blake, some but not much for Bayless , Miller & Webster, and a ton about Batum

It sounds like the reports about KP getting one of his future stars “poached” have been greatly exaggerated, except from the French quarter

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by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes , but it's hard to tell

the posturing generated from media hype and reality. The hard core facts are generally quite elusive. The grapevine buzz also has to be considered lightly. It comes back to reality as soon as logic plays out. However, taking a chance on an injured player or one coming off of injury, adds some new ingredients to the buzz. The same about speculation on potential.
 I think KP is somewhat nervous about making the best decision. He has an investment in young (relatively cheap) talent. However, I don’t think he should worry about giving up a potential star player, because it’s easy for some players to excel in a different system and more minutes. (the hindsight stuff is inevitable regardless ie. Oden vs Durant.)
   The vision he must have, is who will fit the best and also a reasonable mix of veterans(who may sit some) and youthful, developing players.(who could also have to sit and wait for opportunity) Not as easy when the teams identity has not been fully established. The main thing is to keep going forward in trying to make your team better. Kp has a proven record, so far.

by WyEast on Feb 5, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That "not a true point guard" stuff is just silly. No one knows the answer to that yet.

Paul was great his first year. Steve Nash wasn’t great until his fifth or sixth year.

Bayless has very good assist numbers for his minutes and a very good turnover to assist ration. It’s far to early to make dogmatic assertions about whether he’s a point guard or not. It may turn out that he’s not, but it’s lame to think anyone knows for sure.

by raoulduke on Feb 5, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Your right (maybe)

But I still trust my good leg.
   Given they have spent 2 years trying to make him into one and the fact that your definition of a point guard may be different than mine, I trust that my opinion is no more speculation than yours.
    Rationality always disagrees with gut instincts, but you shouldn’t let it overwhelm you so.

by WyEast on Feb 5, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Without being too nit picky, you opinion is far more speculative than mine. You assert he's not a true point guard.

I have only said that it’s too early to rule it out. I don’t have an opinion about what he is or isn’t.

by raoulduke on Feb 5, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah really...where was Dre against Dallas?

Barely noticed that guy against Jason Kidd.

"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan

by xedubx on Feb 4, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Boing-Zing!

You have missed the point, entirely….I’ve been a Miller supporter , but not blind to his bad games. Comparing Kidd to D Williams and C.Paul is a bit of a stretch in this decade.
  Besides, people that hang their hat on a once in a lifetime performance, are cheating themselves out of reality.
   I’ll give you an example from your own comment below

and besides the usual point being +/- being a pseudo-stat that is useless in 1 game setting,

by WyEast on Feb 4, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

As much as I enjoy your usual rant against Miller

and besides the usual point being +/- being a pseudo-stat that is useless in 1 game setting, the passing up of the open jumper is being done by all our players. At least Miller knows that it’s not a good shot for him to take, but guys like Aldridge and Fernandez is passing up shots in their range with way too much these days. It’s no surprise that the offensive option that looked the best over last ten game or so is the one that is willing to pull the trigger (Bayless).

While it’s true that Miller’s inability to hit his usual layups added to the poor +/-, I blame our front court defenders for bad rotations that gave up dunks and layups right and left. Marty was really poor but Pendy has been driving nuts with his inability to rotate properly over last ten games. There was 3 straight possessions in 3rd quarter that led to dunk or layup thanks to poor coverage off pick and roll by Pendy and 2 of the possessions had Miller flat on his butt, victim of a screen set by Pendy’s man.

I am of the opinion that while Jeff brings nice energy in rebounding, his poor rotation and high rate of foul makes him huge liability. We should only really use him in emergency and rely on Dante much more instead.

"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan

by xedubx on Feb 4, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't like +/- either, but it always seems that Miller is a -

And Miller is the highest paid active player on the roster. He’s only taken over one game all year. He makes $2,819,984 million more than Roy. Why am I the only guy here who wants him to be held accountable?

by tominhawaii on Feb 4, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeff is inexperienced

he missed fall camp and was thrust into the rotation due to injuries, he can’t be expected to understand the nuances of the NBA game and how to communicate with his teammates on defense, yet

There’s a reason why veterans play and rookies sit on contending teams, and it’s usually not about talent or desire. It’s why KP should be doing whatever he can to add another experienced big man to the roster before the 19th, so Jeff can go back to learning the game on the practice floor instead of being thrown to the wolves and leaving his teammates hung out to dry on blind picks

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by two4larue on Feb 4, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

What me worry?

 Seriously I wasnt too suprised we lost to them in there own home court without Roy. We had our number one scoring option and all star player out of the game both times. Kudos to them. They won, this will be a different looking team with Roy and TO on it. Count on it. Were playing ok now but I sense a great rumble about to happen right after the all star game. I am now worried about this team in the least. Go Blazers!

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