If you could only keep six...
We did this last year and the year before and I was hoping we could focus on some of the positive aspects of the players on the roster this year. The idea is based on the fact that the roster changes a little bit every year and we can assume with players retiring or coming to the end of their contracts or being moved in trades or not panning out and moving on, that in three years the roster will look significantly different. So what six players from this year's roster do you want to see on the roster when the 2012-13 season opens?
The three pillars are still solid in my mind. I think the core is here for an exciting run at a championship. I have read and listened to the angst over Oden's injuries, LA's softness, and Roy's selfishness. I have thrown my two cents in on trade talks here and there and I have watched games over again just to try to understand some of the frustration over style of play, LA's defense and rebounding or whether Roy should have passed the ball in the last minute of a game. But my conclusion is that the core is solid.
Read more after the jump and chime in...
Oden's injuries are a bit of a concern but I don't see any reason why you don't take a chance on what he has shown over the past two seasons. He can be a force on the boards and on the defensive end and I see him becoming, at the very least, a strong presence in the post and at best a dominating one. I will live with the risk at this point in the hopes that the reward will come.
I do not have a problem with LA right now. He could be a bigger presence inside and I would love for him to do what he does in the first and the third in the last 6 minutes of the game but I think he is making a bigger impact on this team than he is getting credit for this year. The Blazers pretty much run the offense through him most of the time. He is slowing down, recognizing where double teams are coming from, and making good passes. He will benefit greatly from Oden being on the floor. He will be able to take advantage of his athleticism and speed instead of having to carry the load on the inside every night. He is the perfect fit for the defense that Nate likes to run. I am still all in with Aldridge in spite of some wavering from some big names out there...Dave?
Roy is not going anywhere. Do I need to say more about him?
The rest from which to choose: Webster, Miller, Bayless, Outlaw, Rudy, Pendergraph, Cunningham, Batum, Howard, Przybilla, Blake, and Mills.
With three spots left, the choices are clear to me:
Batum does now what I have been waiting to see Webster and Outlaw do for the last 4 years. They have definitely grown as players and I love the heart with which they play but Batum just gets it. He has to be part of the long term plans. I will not be upset if one of those guys stays, if that is even possible with salaries and minutes issues, but if Batum goes to make room for them, I will not be happy.
If Rudy can accept the role of sixth man, I have him staying. I like what Nate is doing with him by getting the ball into his hands and having him run the offense. It will mean he can be on the floor with Roy or my next choice to stay... Bayless. Rudy is going to always be an energy guy that will fire up the crowd and his teammates. His 3 point shooting, his court vision, and his anticipation on defense are all excellent and much needed by this team.
As I said above, Bayless rounds out my six current Blazers I want to see still putting on the red throwbacks to start the 2012 season. His play this year has convinced me that he can not only be explosive and get to the rack but that he will keep figuring out how to get the ball to his teammates where they can score and play solid defense without being overly aggressive, fouling a lot and getting out of position. He isn't going to average 8-10 assists but with a back court mate who averages 5 assists a game, it won't matter much.
So Oden, Aldridge, Roy, Batum, Bayless, and Rudy are the guys I want to see on this roster for a long time to come. I like the rest and would love to see Cunningham, Przybilla, and Webster come along for the ride. But I see those guys developing into team that will outrebound, work hard and together on defense, and have enough tools on offense to score in an uptempo or grind it out game. I am excited for the future of this team and they may even have enough going for them to surprise a lot of people this year.
My main point with this post isn't to say that the rest of the team should be traded or to pit players against each other but to try to think long-term instead of getting so hung up on what player X did or did not do in this or that game. It is also to say that I think the future of this team is still on track and moving in an upward trajectory towards championship contender. Five years ago, most Blazer fans would have given up at least one limb to see a team like this run out onto the Rose Garden floor 41 games a year, plus playoffs. I love watching this team and these are the six guys, if I can only choose six, I want to keep watching for a long time.
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Brandon and Nicolas (unless you offer a multiple All-Star in return, go away)
Keepers, but could be moved in the right deal: Greg, LaMarcus, Jerryd, Rudy
Would like to keep, but wouldn’t bother me too much if they left in a trade or when contract expires: Martell, Dante, Travis (at least 1 of those 3), Andre, Joel P. (Joel F., Petteri, Victor, Nate)
Expendable: Steve, Jeff, Patty, Juwan
agreed
I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.
"Did they really expect me to bow down to Jesus?!?" ~Sophia
"At first glance, I saw a fairly unremarkable penis." ~Sophia on Greg Oden
by Philthyanimal on Feb 3, 2010 2:55 AM PST up reply actions
All Euro-Stache for 2015
Freeland
Victor
PetKo
+KP’s late first rounders in ’10, ’11 & ’12…
"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy
by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 4, 2010 6:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
well look who's back
That seems to be everybody’s top 6 list of choice, in one order or another
It’s interesting that three of the those guys play the same position (SG) and that while Bayless, Rudy or even Batum could eventually become the key distributer of the ball (other wise known as “the point”) none of them are considered conventional PGs. Perhaps if they’re playing alongside Roy, it won’t matter
So, what’s the best choices for a couple of players to round out an 8 man rotation, to win a future championship?
1) A third big man who can play alongside Oden or LMA. Emphasis on defense and rebounding, but he must be able to make an open jumper when he’s the game with Greg
2) A wing who will be content to play short minutes, but come up big in key games or in case of injuries to one of the top 6. Superior defense and BBIQ. Playoff experience would be most welcome. 40% from behind the arc would be a dream
Is either of those last two guys currently on the Blazer’s roster? Some might say that Martell fits profile #2, but I’m not convinced. Definitely the 3rd big man isn’t Joel, Pendy or Ferno
So, what’s the harm in suggesting that KP trade a combination of current players (Martell, Dante, Travis, Andre, Joel, Steve, Jeff, Patty, Juwan) or the Euros (Joel F., Petteri, Victor) to acquire one or both of the two “future rotation studs” to go along with the “top 6”?
No harm at all, that I can see
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
The core = eight players.
NIc, Greg, Brandon, Lamarcus, Jerryd, Rudy, Dante, and Martell.
Players it could be wise to keep, but would consider trading: Jeff, Patty, and Travis.
Players who are likely to go in the next couple of years: Andre, Joel, Steve, and Juwan.
#52+1.5
I too am curious about your Outlaw pick...
What sets him apart in your mind?
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
I think he's funny and he's my favorite Blazers personality
I didn’t put my guys in order.
by tominhawaii on Feb 3, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for a guy who
has as a keeper a guy who is “funny”
have to respect that. It also explains why Miller is not on your list. Miller is a lot of things but funny doesn’t strike me as one of them.
RoadBlazer
Batum might move onto the list after another 10 games
I think keeping Outlaw will neither win or lose a championship for the Blazers, so I want to keep him around.
tominhawaii...mark my words you will soon become a Batum lover.
Did you watch the Blazers closely last year? I went to the games and his defense was amazing then as well. I loved it when he’d run down the floor and block a break away dunk…that was soooo nice to see! The guy would be thinking HA! And there would be Batum’s block. This is when I knew I loved this player. Also when he talks about winning. He is a fierce competitor. Holding the “2” sign up over his head after dunking for the 2nd time on Pau Gasol…priceless.
Outlaw is the best personality by far. Agree with you on that one!
that is certainly... a reason
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 3, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
It's tough not being a bandwagon fan
I’m not ashamed to like players based on more than just their stats.
out of curiosity what is it about Outlaw that makes him #3?
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 3, 2010 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Batum, Pryz, Cunningham
I’d hate to see Rudy go, but he could start on another team, which would be good for him. I imagine Bayless will stick around, though I’m not convinced he’s the long-term starting solution to pairing with Brandon in the backcourt. I’d love to keep Pendy around, and Martell (just ‘cuz he’s such a nice guy). I hope Juwan finishes his career here and moves into the front office.
Roy's about it for me
Oden maybe if he could stay healthy. Batum if he’s as good as he’s played these last few games. Miller if he were younger. The rest don’t do anything particularly amazing that you couldn’t fine elsewhere around the league.
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
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The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 3, 2010 6:45 AM PST up reply actions
Sure...
but couldn’t you say the same thing about any player, even Roy? But the Blazers don’t have those other players. Which ones on this team are you seeing emerge?
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
nah i think roy is special
if i had a gun to my head it would be roy, batum, aldridge (tho i wish he was cheaper) marty and oden
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 3, 2010 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
2012-1013 line-up
1. roy
2. oden
3. batum
4. lma (unless for bosh)
5. bayless
6. cunningham
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
In order
1) Roy
2) Batum
3) Oden
4) LMA
5) Bayless
6) Rudy
I think the toughest call is between Rudy and Martell. I don’t think we can keep both, at least long term, and I keep changing my mind as to which one is the better long term fit. Webster is more versatile and a better defender. He makes more sense on paper. But Rudy just has something intangible, a star quality, an ability to rise up and seiz big moments. He’s the kind of guy you can see pulling a Reggie Miller vs. the Knicks miracle sequence. And that makes me lean toward keeping him as long as possible.
I REALLY like Cunningham as well, but I didn’t include him on the list because I don’t think the Blazers will have any trouble keeping him for the foreseeable future.
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In order
1)Batum
2)Roy
3)Oden
4)LMA
5)Rudy
6)Bayless
I put Batum ahead of Brandon because I like his style of play better than I like Brandon’s. Though obviously Brandon is in a league of his own. Also by 2112-2113 I believe Batum will be an ALL STAR.
also really like Dante’s play. Would say Miller as I love his play as well but he will be getting older..so as a backup he would be very very good.would like another starting point guard like him so maybe Bayless will get that same court vision by that time.
I want Juwann to be in the front office. He is GREAT!
I agree with the star intangible quality that Rudy brings. And I think he doesn’t get enough credit for what he does on defense..he is ALWAYS moving around…wearing that guy OUT…STEALING the ball…very very talented competitor.
Love Martel but feel he has issues with insecurtiy. Also love Travis as a personality!
Also...I think Joel will have a hard time coming back from that injury. It is a severe injury for an NBA
player. And I would rather have a backup center who is able to scrore. It has been nice to see Juwann catch the ball and make a basket. After the wrist injury Joel could barely hold onto the ball unless it was almost handed to him. I know he is a favorite and is a great defender but I’d like to see a great defender and some offense from the backup Center.
You Pretty much
Nailed my feelings. I too think Aldridge is a key piece. He just may not be the piece some of us thought he would be. He has value in a trade obviously, but has more value to us if Oden is back.
As far as Oden, we have cast our lot there, and I am willing to take whatever happens. I am optimistic and if for some reason it doesn’t work out, I can live with the gamble.
One of the things I think Nate and his coaches do NOT get credit for is developing players. His “resistance” to playing rookies can also be viewed as a careful development plan. I see this played out on Bayless. If he was on a team last year and this year getting big minutes and being relied upon to score, does he make the turn to Point guard / Combo Guard? Or does he become Monte Ellis?
Good Post.
RoadBlazer
that's too hard....
1. Roy
2. LMA
3. Batum
4. Jerryd
5. Oden
6. Rudy
7. Miller
Okay, that’s 7 but I couldn’t pick just 6. I think the core of this Blazer group should be guys 1-6 even though Rudy eventually will tire of being a back-up unless you started him at the 1 (but maybe not if they won a championship next year!!)
Agree with the most common choice
In order: Roy, Oden, Batum, Aldridge, Rudy, Bayless
Reasons:
1. obvious
2. Too much potential to shrug off as ‘injury ridden’. Everything points to coming back healthy, lets all hope for that
3. He will work every night and we will be able to tell. Too many of those ‘intangibles’ he is one of the rare types who can fill a stat sheet across.
4. Perfect compliment to the previous 3. Has big upside.
5. Love the idea of a Rudy-Roy-Batum shared ball duties. Of course we probably need a more specialized ball handler (bayless/miller) if we get full court pressed, but barring that they have the chops to move the ball around alot.
6. Mostly to invest in future and keep a fast quick “get to the rim” scorer.
2012-13 starters
pg) Rudy
sg) Roy
sf) Batum
pf) Aldridge
c) Oden
6th man) Bayless
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
by Rudiculous on Feb 3, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like this lineup! Rudy as the point guard? I thought he was a shooting guard? But hey...could work!
Thats just because I think Rex will be a lot more useful off of the bench where he can be an attacking player.
And the opposite is true for Rudy, he will be better off as a glorified role player spreading the floor for your starters than your number 1 scoring option off the bench. Who knows, thats just what I would like to see someday…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
ok, I"ll play...
Roy
Oden
LMA
Batum
Bayless
Rudy
actually, that was pretty easy. to me, there is a clear dropoff after that when you are talking 3 years down the road…
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Oden
Roy
Batum
Aldridge
Bayless
Outlaw.
You only allowed me six.
Seven through ten:
Przybilla, who would be terrible to lose.
Miller, who we need for immediate success of any magnitude.
Fernandez, the next best player.
Webster, right after Rudy.
The next three are even:
Cunningham
Blake
Pendergraph.
Thank god we have him this year and hopefully he doesn’t even play next year:
Howard.
Interesting player who could flourish if we did some kind of a deal to clear the decks for him:
Mills.
A three-for-one, or even a four-for-one deal would be an awesome thing – but, knowing what we know about KP, it probably won’t happen until the off season coming up this summer. – Elgin
GOP in HD
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygxspwb
Flynn, Jefferson, and Gomes for Aldridge, Webster, Fernandez, Blake. – Elgin
GOP in HD
How quickly we forget
Just because the dude is hurt doesn’t mean his ceiling is lower.
(In order)
Oden
Roy
Batum
LMA
Bayless
Rudy
Bayless & Rudy are close. Batum’s ceiling is obviously huge, but Oden’s is still much higher than anyone else on the team — he’s the one who can take us from a good team to a great team. He might not, but he’s the only one with that chance.
My two cents
Too many variable to calculate well at three years
In order:
Oden – I’ve seen what a quality center can do for the Blazers.
Batum – still early but I’ll place a bet.
Roy – I’d like to see him speed up a bit.
Rudy – this choice was tough. He’s the player most squarely in Roy’s shadow.
LMA – he’s stepped up a bit recently. If he learns to like that up-and-under move,
look out.
Bayless – actually likes to drive to the hoop. You can’t teach that. If he can take the
blinders off and spot open teammates more, he’ll be a real weapon.
Miller – he only falls out of the top six due to age in three years. No reason the
Blazers couldn’t contend next year. He’ll be invaluable.
Przybilla – could very easily switch him with LMA.
Webster – I don’t know.
Howard – age factors in but he has to have honorable mention.
DC & JP – they’ve done well, not sure about their ceiling.
Mills – further research necessary.
ECs – I wouldn’t keep ‘em, but that’s my opinion.
Dante over LMA?
just wow
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1) Roy: elite sg, reluctant to score more
2) Batum: best prospect, needs to gain weight
3) Aldridge: size, touch, speed, needs mentoring
4) Bayless: better than young buck imo, quick, needs playing time
5) Fernandez: starting SG on a team like the raptors, also very marketable, no defense
6) Pendergraph: aggressive, physical, gritty, good hustle, skill level questionable
Okay...
Guess it depends on whether we’re talking about ‘for next year’ or ‘for a championship run down the line’.
Bayless
Roy
Batum
LA
Oden
And, even though I’m no fan, if I had to keep one more, I’d keep Outlaw for the championship run. Miller if we’re looking at just next year.
Bayless is the PG of the future although I like him more in a 6th man role. We don’t have a point on the roster who I’d want to keep long-term.
I think Rudy overlaps way too much with Bayless and Roy and has nowhere near the handle or defensive skill set to be a PG or SF.
LMA and Greg aren’t complete players but complement one another quite well.
Batum doesn’t have the scoring pop yet that Webster has shown at times this year, but his defense wins him the spot.
The untouchables on this roster are BRoy, Batum, and Bayless.
Everyone else is movable THIS YEAR or next, given the right trade.
My personal choice for which 6 to keep is as follows:
1) BRoy
2) Batum
3) Bayless
4) *Oden / Pryzbilla
5) Rudy
6) Cunningham
Everyone else is potentially on the chopping block.
The most obvious omission on my list is LMA. Why do I omit him? Because I see him as a cupcake prima-donna who has neither the heart nor the hustle to reach his potential. He is a tease who will never be a viable 4 on a championship team, or at least ours. He is not willing to work hard to improve, plays no defense, can’t score on the block, doesn’t know how or care to draw contact/fouls inside, completely disappears in the 4th quarter, and generally pees down his leg in crunch time against big time opponents (Cavs and Lakers games come to mind). He clearly likes to see himself as a Dirk Nowistski type player. The problem is he has no handle and no 3 pt shot, so defenders don’t have to respect his so-called “outside game”. On my team, my 4s are not allowed to play like soft 2s. If I’m running this team, he is gone in a trade for Bosh or Stoudamire instantly.
Why did I put an asterisk next to Oden’s name? Because we as Blazer fans may need to resign ourselves to the fact that Oden will never be 100% healthy or completely dependable throughout an entire season. He is clearly a game changer who could be the center piece of a championship run if he stays healthy. However, it is a legitimate question now as to whether that will ever happen. Because of this, I put Pryzbilla in the same slot as being indispensable. To the casual fan, Pryz might be the most under-rated, under-appreciated Blazer on the team and is certainly one of the most unknown/under-rated in the league. However, there is a reason that prior to his injury he was the one Blazer who GMs around the league wanted the most. He is an impact player at the center position.
My other picks should be obvious: BRoy is a Top 10 player in the league, maybe Top 5 when playing at the top of his game. Batum & Bayless are the only other 2 players on the roster that Nate/KP refuse to discuss trade possibilities with other GMs. In my book, Batum is potentially the best player on the roster if he lives up to his considerable potential. Given his hard work defensively, there is good reason to believe he will reach that potential in the next 2 – 3 seasons. I believe he will eventually be the face of the franchise more so than Roy. Bayless is a gifted scorer with upside as a PG. He can get to the rim as well or better than all but a handful of players around the league. That alone is worth keeping him around. But he is also showing signs of being able to run the team if given minutes. Cunningham is a hustle player with a non-stop motor, a love for playing D, and a very high BB IQ. This is much more than can be said about LMA. Finally, Rudy has a non-stop motor, seems to be in the right place at the right time more often than not, does a good job rebounding for a finesse guard, is clutch & has a knack for hitting BIG shots, is a better defender than given credit for by most critics, and seems to raise the entire team’s energy level when he enters the game.
Given the injuries to Oden/Pryz & LMA’s inability to man the middle, it’s clear that KP needs to make a move before the trade deadline if we expect to make any noise in the playoffs. Otherwise, we are writing this season off as a “developmental year” and admitting we don’t expect to get out of the first round.

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