Thabeet just one-upped Webster
Thabeet is about to become the highest draft pick to ever get sent to D-league stealing the honor from our very own Martell Webster.
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a long standing source of pride for the Blazers
is now down the drain…
actually, Webster was a 6th pick, so Thabeet destroys the old record held by Webster as the 2nd pick!
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 25, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I've said he was a bad pick since before the draft.
Everyone said he was going to be raw sure, but he’s just not that good. The raw players with potential at least show at times that they can get really, really good.
24 points in a quarter was pretty good...
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 25, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
shut yo mouth!
i’m talkin’ ’bout shaft.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 25, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 25, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I just said yesterday "At least Memphis is doing well this year, because Thabeet was a terrible pick"
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Everyone except Memphis thought it was terrible
Sometimes guys get overrated if they’re so raw. I can understand the thinking that if he was effective in college without offensive skills he’d be dominant if he developed. It reminds me of the Aldridge vs Tyrus Thomas debate before their draft. I liked LMA more because he could already shoot and had a low post game. So many teams (including us with Miles and Trout) drool over guys who are 6’9", can’t shoot or handle the ball but are super athletic and are too small to play pf and too slow to play sf. Webster can be a starter on a playoff team so Thabeet could turn into a more athletic Przybilla, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
"Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums." -Captain Kirk
by terryisntbald on Feb 25, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
He's not nearly as bad as people think.
Per 36 minutes: 9 points, 10 rebounds, 4 blocks, while shooting 58%.
Compare that to Oden’s “rookie” season.
Per 36 minutes:15 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocks, while shooting 56%
Not quite at Oden’s level, although he took way less shots in general. He’s certainly not going to be a liability and anytime you have a guy who can rebound and defend the rim he’s going to be super valuable. Also, Thebeet hasn’t been playing basketball that long, so his development should have a steeper curve than most players. Eventually he’ll be a double-double machine that plays good defense and people will pretend like they liked him all along.
Batum brings the doom.
by The Running Man on Feb 25, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
he’s older than Greg, and looks simply awful and uncoordinated on offense. He is a weaker rebounder, a turnover machine, and can barely make a layup at times.
He has a usage of 10.9. That means, he only gets the ball on offensive rebounds or dump offs. A turnvoer rate of 18 with a usage of 11 is hilarious.
#52 #10 #7
Big deal.
Joel Przybilla is consistently one of the most turnover prone players in the league. He has just about zero offensive game, bad hands, and has been injury prone the majority of his career. It doesn’t matter though, because he still has tons of value when healthy, dare I say more than a guy like James Harden, Jonny Flynn, Jordan Hill, Terrence Williams, etc.
Thabeet isn’t so far away from having a similar impact as Joel, he just needs to cut down on his fouls. He’s always going to have value and it’s going to be much harder to find someone who does what Thabeet does than someone who does what any of those other guys do (With the possible exception of Evans).
It’s easy to hate on a high draft pick when it doesn’t immediately pan out (See: Oden, Greg) , but I don’t think it was actually a bad pick. In hindsight they would have been better off taking Evans, maybe even Curry or Jennings, but that wasn’t exactly crystal clear at the time. They don’t need Thabeet to score, they just need him to do what he does: rebound, block a ridiculous amount of shots and shoot a high percentage on put-back dunks and layups.
Batum brings the doom.
by The Running Man on Feb 25, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
What kind of list is this?
James Harden has tons of value— try asking a Thunder fan how important he is to that team’s future plans. He’s expected to be the #2 guy possibly on that team, which is saying quite a bit considering what Westbrook is. Johnny Flynn has moderate value— he looks like he could be a average to decent starter for 10 years. Jordan Hill little value— most top 10 picks aren’t dealt for as just one small component of a deal for an expiring contract in their first season. Terrence William has almost negative value. What are we supposed to be comparing Thrilla to?
by howlingfantods on Feb 25, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
I'm talking about impact.
It’s harder to find a guy like Joel than it is to find a guy like Harden. Impact wise I would take Joel, although obviously there are things like age, salary, and injury history to take into account.
It’s not a stretch at all to think that Thabeet could basically have the same impact as Joel in a year or two. From that perspective I can totally see why the Grizzlies would take him above guys like Harden, Flynn, Hill, Williams, Curry, etc.
Batum brings the doom.
by The Running Man on Feb 25, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think you realize how good Harden is
if you think guys like him are as easy to pick up as Joel. We’re a very unpopular free agent destination, and we still got Joel as a free agent for a reasonable salary during the jail blazer era. Guys like Joel aren’t a dime a dozen but they’re not terribly hard to find, either.
You don’t hear as much about Harden as you do about Reke and Steph Curry but those guys play on bad teams and are allowed to play 40 minutes and shoot whenever and play zero d. Harden plays on a very good playoff team and is asked to facilitate when KD is off the court and play defense when Thabo’s off the court.
You’re crazy if you think the grizz aren’t sick about not taking curry or tyreke or harden. This last draft class is panning out in a big way, best draft class since 04, and that’s with the first pick injured and the second pick a dud. The thing that’s the killer, of course, is that everyone knew that Thabeet was a dud before the draft. Hollinger, Chad, Simmons, Draftexpress guys, Thorpe, Wages of Wins guy, everyone. And it’s not like the Grizz was desperate for a center, Marc Gasol was good last season and great this season. Just an unfathomably bad pick, one of the worst choices I’ve seen since MJ was involved in the draft process.
by howlingfantods on Feb 26, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
I watched Harden at Arizona.
I’ve seen probably 15 OKC games this season. I know he’s good, but his impact overall is still less than a defensive big like Przybilla. Long term I would still rather have Thabeet over Harden, but probably not Curry or Evans.
Guys like Joel aren’t a dime a dozen but they’re not terribly hard to find, either
More like impossible to find. What other legit 7 footers rebound and block shoots? There are actually 7.
Sorted by PER
1. Greg Oden
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Brendan Haywood
4. Hasheem Thabeet
5. Marcin Gortat
6. Joel Przybilla
7. DeSagana Diop
7-0 or taller, requiring Total Rebound Pct >= 15 and Effective Field Goal Pct >= .50 and Block Pct >= 4
I don’t think it’s a bad pick, I don’t care what everyone (Does that need to be bold?) says. Sure there are better guys lower in the draft, but I don’t think anyone expected Evans, Curry, or Jennings to be as good as they are.
Batum brings the doom.
by The Running Man on Feb 26, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
That's just silly.
Why limit it to the magic number of 7 feet tall? Is Dwight not worth mentioning because he’s listed at 6’11? And focusing on blocks and Eff FG alone hardly is a full measure of a good player. Other than blocking shots, Thabeet’s a huge liability on both ends.
You’re wrong on Evans and Curry. They were widely expected to be great, and the big debate during the last draft was whether these guys or Rubio should be second, and towards the end, there were murmurs that Evans ought to be #1 over Griffin. Jennings was more of a mixed bag; folks who scouted Euroball closely like Haubs at Painted Area and Givony at DraftExpress thought he was going to be really good, possibly the best of a spectacular point guard class, but it wasn’t the conventional wisdom.
But the conventional wisdom before the draft was that Thabeet was going to be a bust, and conventional wisdom is looking very right. Which is why I bolded everyone. Sorry you disagree, but you’re one of a very very very small minority, and I believe you’d be hard pressed to find anyone on one of the major sites who’ll agree with you.
by howlingfantods on Feb 27, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Conventional wisdom says you can't declare a player a bust after one season.
I still think Thabeet has a ridiculously unique skill set and he’ll only improve from here on out, probably more than most prospects. After all, conventional wisdom says it takes longer for big men to come into their own.
There was certainly not a consensus on Curry. It was one of the more hotly debated issues leading up to the draft. No one thought he would be running the point as well as he does and most people thought he would just be a good player not a great player.
You’re right about size. Weight and length are better at determining success at the center position.
Batum brings the doom.
by The Running Man on Feb 28, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
I was just going to post this - Thanks.
After reading this article, I felt relieved with Oden and all the pressure of him being our #1 pick.
All I gotta say: This is a risky business.
in Websters defense he was like 12 when he got sent down to the d-league
Thabeet… is just bad. Poor guy.
He's not that bad
He just looks extremely awkward when playing. I think I read somewhere he played football (soccer) until he was like 15 or 16 before he touched a basketball. He has the physical tools to be decent.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
i was in tanzania in december
there weren’t nobody around there for him to play against.
man can’t get good on his own without no competition.
if he gets decent coaching he’ll be good in 4/5 years if his head stays on straight.
he would have been a steal of a pick in the 2nd round, when a guy can learn and grow, but at #2 he’ll have to live up to that sooner rather than later.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
His block rate is reeeeedonculous
He leads the league in blocks/48min. I think the next guy is more than an entire block behind.
He's also averaging 9.1 fouls per 48 minutes.
Take individual stats for what they’re worth.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Shawn Bradley also blocked a lot of shots
A lot of big skinny uncoordinated centers do much better in NCAA than NBA
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I think Hasheem will be fine. He is raw still, but I've seen games where he has made a big impact.
I think he’s just gonna smash fools in the D-league. Probably a big reason for this is because Gasol is just too damned good to take off the floor.
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
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