Is Nate our guy
by ChampionshipAspirations on Feb 22, 2010 5:33 PM PST
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After what I have seen this season, even though we have been decimated by injuries is that Nate has no feel; for the gam being played on the court, only the one in his head, so I ask BEers everywhere...Also how do we look so good on paper but when if comes down to it we get beat up by teams with way less talent...And, dont worry about BRoy, a strained hammy takes 6 to 8 weeks, he is almost back...thank god
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Last night we played the hottest team in the NBA
A team who is 3rd in the western conference. They have won 16 of their last 18. I hope they’re not the “worse team than us” that you were referring to. Ya we blew a big lead, and at the end we should have done something besides Roy iso, but the blame is not all on Nate. The players seemed ok with just deferring to the all star and standing around. We lost a lot of players this season and we’re still in the playoff picture in the tough western conference. Dont sell your harley because of a couple days of rain.
All the credit to K.P.
He drafted this team for injuries, Nate gets too much credit for this team winning when it’s obvious that he didn’t have a choice who to play when more than half your team is injured. Think of how many players Nate “overlooked” until he was forced to play them and then behold, he’s a great coach that brought this team to where they’re at. I think if we had a more established coach, players may be a little more apt to perform correctly game in and game out and be much more dependable and consistent.
I'm moving in this general direction
Never was Nate hater……some of his rotations and defensive concepts were “annoying”, but he’d been getting the job done, and with fairly high praise. But this season has been brutal, even aside from the injuries. His decision making has been hard to stomach at times, as have been the offensive sets.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
I posted this in the JD
I also feel… That KP has already shown what his ultimate decision will be.
By getting rid of Blake and Outlaw, we have gotten rid of two of the key components of what made this team good at "Nate Ball."
I think that its only a matter of time…
Official Adrian Wojnarowski Hater.
The Ardent Optimist.
by fajunga on Feb 22, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more!!!
KP has moved Blake, Outlaw, and James Jones… all who thrived in “Nate ball”, Let alone best friends of Brandon. The telling sign is going to be how long before Brandon realizes he is going to have to change his game if he wants to win a championship? Because everyone else on the team suffers when they play “Nate Ball”, except maybe Bayless.
by TeamChemistry on Feb 22, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
KP didn't "move" JJ
He wasn’t able to re-sign him.
Plus, what are you talking about, the only Nate-Ball thing those guys did was hit the coffin corner 3.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 23, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
In addition
Blake was a steady prescence who didn’t really take risks by pushing the ball in all occasions and played decent, if underwhelming, defense.
Trout was a great 3rd option in our Iso heavy offense so Nate could count on him to get a bunch of Iso baskets.
Official Adrian Wojnarowski Hater.
The Ardent Optimist.
I also think you can see this in the draft choices and Miller trade
I think KP is trying to set this team up a little faster than the spurs. Stifling D (a la Batum, Oden and Pendy). Running, flowing offense (a la Rudy, LMA, Claver, Miller and Batum (cool that he goes both ways)). Given these selections, I think you can see a fundamental difference in philosophy between how Nate and KP want this team to play.
The question is: can KP and Nate coexist with this fundamental difference? Can Nate adjust his game plan?
My favorite blazer games are the ones where Nate lets the team run a little more. Not surprisingly (given our roster) we tend to do well in those games.
by Montavilla Steve on Feb 24, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
He's a good coach.
Every single coach in the NBA has their faults. At some point, I think that we will get a new head coach but who do we want? Byron Scott? Jeff Van Gundy? Avery Johnson? Personally gimme the Little General Avery Johnson.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
He's a good coach?
Have you ever felt Nate out coached the other coach we were playing against?
by TeamChemistry on Feb 22, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
ok buddy,, it's an opinion
And he is a solid coach okay? everyone gives him praise other than the can’t remember anything other than the last game fans e.g you.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
does feeling it make it fact?
I hope most people realize that it doesn’t, but among message board fans one can’t be sure. Confirmation bias going unnoticed happens pretty often.
Yes
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 23, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I have been reading up a bit on JVG.
He wouldn’t be dull. I like the guy personally. A lot of coaching experience, starting with his father.
He even went to college near where I grew up (Menlo School, Atherton, CA, I used to deliver papers there).
AND he is available.
Re-sign Travis Outlaw !
Weeb Ewbanks lived where I went to college
We should hire him!
Except he’s a football coach!
and he’s dead!
dinasour type of guys choir boys
sooooo, that makes JVG better.
It was just a personal note … EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME !
I think he is interesting without that.
Re-sign Travis Outlaw !
Nate is above average.
But I’m very skeptical of his abilities if it ever comes to a championship. I don’t think his system is flexible nor creative enough. His on the fly game planning can be suspect. Well, if anything it’s too inconsistent for me.
Agreed
Nate is great at putting in a game plan and keeping a consistent rotation. If the jumpers are falling that night the Blazers are pretty much unstoppable.
Nate’s biggest weakness comes in making in game adjustments to that game plan. If any piece doesn’t go well he just keeps to the plan and figures everything will work out OK.
1st quarter, feed LA. Get him some turn around jumpers and let him get in to a rhythm. Pull Webster/Starting center of the night at the 6 minute mark, unless someone gets 2 fouls, then pull immediately
2nd quarter, basically same as first, but start working in the occasional ISO with Roy to allow him to begin to get in to a rhythm. Put in Rudy/Bayless to get some relief for a little bit, then sub out again if either gets hot.
3rd quarter – Forget LA completely, leave him on the bench cause we overplayed him in the First half – Run Roy ISO almost every play down till end of quarter, then pull Roy to give him the extended break.
4th Quarter, continue to ignore Aldridge, Have Rudy/Nic toss up jumpers while Bayless or Miller (whichever has fewest turnovers) dives at the basket repeatedly. Put Roy in with about 7 or 8 minutes to go and run Roy ISO until last play when he either wins it for us, or misses and we lose.
Post Game -
Win – We played great, got some great movement, everything flowed nice.
Lose – Our players were too lazy, they didn’t get enough ______ (rebounds; steals; assists). We needed more energy, blah blah blah (Translation, it couldn’t possibly be that my game plan is so predictable that even a casual NBA fan notices that it’s always the same plays and we’ve been doing this for 3 years now)
I think he’s done a great job to build the team to what it is today, but he needs to learn flexibility and adjustments. If something is absolutely not working you go with something else. As much as it sucks to admit, Barkley is right, Portland is just a jump shooting/Roy ISO team, if the jumpers aren’t falling or the refs decide to swallow their whistles, it’ll be a loss against any of the good teams (teams that usually cause the refs to swallow those whistles).
by BanDenjamin on Feb 22, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Except this
The guys truly aren’t playing with energy. He’s right about that when we lose. Seems though when someone has energy he benches the guy. (See Oden in first half, Batum more recently). It should be the coach’s priority to find a way to get the most energy out of the players he has. His stoic and methodical style translates to our game. Good for Roy on balance, but other guys (Aldridge, rookies) need to be motivated.
I can’t see what goes on behind the scenes but my impression is he lacks the personal touch. I think Jeff Van Gundy would be huge leap in that direction… I’m not saying that’s our best option but from my limited knowledge of who’s out there, and without talking about stealing someone away from a different team. JVG might grate on his boys’ nerves (and ours) over time but he brings energy and enthusiasm which should give the players some focus.
fans dont see beyond the last loss
Even if we won 80 games next year, I’d probably have to read these silly comments 2 times. It’s fire Nate after every loss, but it’s never “great job Nate” after a win. We’re overachieving with the players we’ve had. Nate is doing great. Give it a rest.
Before every game I hear the announcers and opposing coaches praise Nate and the job his staff has done. Then, after virtually every loss, I hear the haters complain about Nate. There is a huge gap in opinion between those with years of actual coaching experience and the few Nate haters that love to post. Why is that? Do they lie? Are they just wrong? Maybe you know something the rest of the world just hasn’t figured out yet? Or, maybe, just maybe, Nate is actually doing a good job with what he has available, just like the praisers are trying to say? Maybe Coach K, Pop, Doc, Hubbie, D. Collins, Sloan and the many, many praisers are the ones who are correct?
by ItsMrHarris2u on Feb 22, 2010 6:27 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I think part of the problem is that we don't see the whole picture
We don’t understand the more subtle coaching skills, like building a team that likes and respects one another and is prepared to sacrifice. It’s not just about coming up with killer plays (although aren’t the Blazers perennially among the best teams coming out of timeouts?)
And the fact that the Blazers have won at all with Juwan Howard playing huge minutes says volumes.
The following quote is proof
like building a team that likes and respects one another and is prepared to sacrifice.
that brainwashing works. If an idea is repeated often enough it is likely to be believed even in the face of evidence to the contrary. There has been quite a bit of well publicized infighting/jockeying on the team this year. This is not a team filled with Santa’s little helpers. And I don’t think a egoless team is going to win a title any time soon! Strong personalities win titles.
#52+1.5
that
Fans like to think their armchair strategies could win 60 games, and blame coach when he doesn’t match the crazy expectations of potential. It’s nuts. Everyone and their dog has some gimmick strategy or magic rotation they think can win.
Meanwhile back in the real world … even after 2 ugly losses in a long season, this team has been winning games through disastrous injury problems, and almost every championship is won by teams that play simple basketball just like Nate coaches.
Do we run the Triangle offense?
almost every championship is won by teams that play simple basketball just like Nate coaches.
If so, I think many fans need to be brought up to speed.
#52+1.5
The triangle offense is probably the best option for us.
It would work cause we are so similar to the Fakers in that both of us have a star player at SG and both of our 2nd option on offense are at PF and we both have good young Centers. We seem to be built to play the triangle offense and well its been proven to work both in the regular season and Playoffs. While the trio of Bryant, Gasol and Bynum are better than our trio of Roy, Aldridge and Oden, we have better young complimentary players like Batum, Miller, Rudy, Bayless, Camby/Pryzbilla and Webster.
My problem with changing to the triangle offense now is that it takes a while for players to learn that system. I think it took the Fakers at least a full season to understand the offense. I know the T-Wolves run the triangle offense too but I don’t know how they are doing with it. Perhaps we should ask their fans.
Your points are well taken
I would just like to see us run an offense that focuses on getting more inside baskets (no matter who it is getting the shot). Our current sets have a tendency to put the onus on the individual player to go one on one and beat his man in order to get points in the paint.
#52+1.5
Well...
to get inside baskets you need players that are willing/able to play inside. LA gets alley oops here and there, I’ve never seen Nate complain about that, so what keeps him out of the paint more often? Himself, or the coach/set? If we traded LA today for Boozer, would LA be at the rim every other play in Utah and would Boozer be jacking up turnaround 18 footers here?
I’ve asked this before, is it the offensive “set” (which is only a basic guideline anyway, in all sets the players have to read and react. It’s not a set diagram play like in football) or is it the players?
by Billy Hoyle on Feb 24, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Boozer does have a pretty nice jumpshot
He’s a workhorse but I’m guessing, like most humans, he’d settle for the easier/less painful route more often than not. In his case, less painful means whatever he has to do so as not to have Jerry Sloan’s boot up his posterior. My perception is limited, but it seems to me our inside guys don’t get a lot of encouragement from coach to use it on offense (example: Oden this season).
No, but we all knew that last season...
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
I also want Nate fired.
But I don’t want him replaced with some unobtainable pipe dream of a coach.
I just want somebody that will make the guys play prettier, faster ball.
I don’t care if the new coach leads to less wins.
I want to see higher scores and more dunks.
and more threes.
and I want the diagonal stripes on the jersey to match up better with the vertical stripes on the pants. maybe the players could use velcro, or safety pins.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 23, 2010 9:05 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
and 360 dunks
I like windmills too. rec rec rec
by Billy Hoyle on Feb 24, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like to see more trick plays
More 6 man sets and stuff. Guys falling down and then getting the pass for wide open shots (a la CP3).
I’d also like to see more behavior-related ejections from the coach and players in a season for complaining to the refs and intimidating the opposition. I miss Joel.
Nate is a good coach
He is a “players coach” and a “wins only” coach all in one.
It is true that his in-game adjustments are sometimes baffling to me but I usually assume that it is something the team has talked about or targeted in practice.
It is not a good coaching plan (in a general sense) to just dump all of your preparation because the other team suddenly gets hot.
In a way I admire this trait in Nate, it is sensible and more often than not it is successful.
I (and I think a lot of people here) tend to coach like we are playing NBA Live on x-box. We throw guys in and out of the rotation on whims, we have no real plan against given opponents or don’t really set up to exploit perceived weaknesses – we just play. A head coach in the NBA has to be a bit more serious-minded in their approach.
Nate is nothing if not serious.
we can still win........
Yes, but
It’s also not a very good plan to keep doing something that is not working for the entire game. Sure you don’t want to give in to panic, but when 5 straight ISO plays net a bad shot just before the clock runs out, maybe run something a little different.
by BanDenjamin on Feb 23, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Nate is good at developing new talent, motivating the uderdog. I do NOT like the way he took
NO responsibility for complacency with the 25 point lead. He left his leading scorer, AND defender BATUM, sitting on the bench after the 2nd quarter..through the 3rd quarter until the last minute or so of the 3rd quarter. HOW COMPLACENT IS THAT?!!!!!
SORRY NATE, COMPACENT COACHING TO THE EXTREME ON THAT ONE.
why?
he didn’t take credit for the 25 point lead, why would he take credit for losing it?
You are sure quick to blame him for something you never gave him credit for in the 1st place. A bit odd, don’t you think?
by ItsMrHarris2u on Feb 23, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
that
and we didn’t lose the game in the 3rd quarter. Get over the Batum man-crush already. We were stomped in the 4th, 23-10 with Batum playing 10 of the 12 minutes in the quarter.
by Billy Hoyle on Feb 24, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
The emperor has no clothes
Nate is a very poor communicator and appears to have no oversight or accountability within the organization.. This is a coach who “pushed” his star player to play with a bad hamstring because he wants to win now for Nate and could care less about his relationship with Brandon or the future. Nate was an average pro that overachieved and clearly has no regard for these young millionaires and clearly does not have the desire or IQ to understand or motivate them. Look what he’s done to Bayless, Webster,Outlaw. How many times do you think they have wanted to pull a “Spreewell” on him.He does not develop talent he abuses it. I don’t think his team respects his coaching abilities or likes him as a person. Nate is insecure,over his head and can not connect with his players because Nate is all about Nate. Other than that he’s great.
wow
virtually every point you make is inaccurate. Do you follow the Blazers?
by ItsMrHarris2u on Feb 23, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
do you have a counterpoint or just a blanket personal attack on the commenter?
I see a few points in his comment that are debatable, and a couple that might be considered inflammatory. There’s a lot in what he says. Here, I’ll break down his individual so you can knock them down individually with facts or examples. It should be easy since you follow the Blazers.
Nate:
1. Is a very poor communicator
2. Has no oversight or accountability within the organization
3. Pushed Brandon with the hamstring
4. Because he wants to win now
5. Could care less about his relationship with Brandon
6. Could care less about the future
7. Was an average pro that overachieved
8. Has no regard for these young millionaires
9. Lacks either the desire or the IQ to understand/motivate these young millionaires
10. Abuses talent (Bayless, Webster, Outlaw)
11. Doesn’t get respect from his team for his coaching abilities
12. Isn’t liked by his team as a person
13. Is insecure
14. Is over his head
15. Is all about Nate
I left out “cannot connect with his players” because it was summing up his previous points. Of those 15, I agree with 8 (more than half) of the points. #3, #11 and #12 are items that we as fans aren’t privy to know in my opinion so I have no opinion. Points #4, #5, #6 and #15 are characterizations with which I personally disagree.
Nate is the Ernie Kent of the NBA
That’s really about the best way I can sum it up.
by Theghostofsomeonefamous on Feb 23, 2010 3:17 PM PST reply actions
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