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Media Row Report: Blazers 76, Celtics 96

The Portland Trail Blazers fell 96-76 to the Boston Celtics in the Rose Garden Friday night and it was hard to know what was more pathetic: the team's interior defense or the transparent excuse for Brandon Roy's less-than-stellar performance in just his second game in the past month. 

"Well, you know, [Roy] has been out five weeks and it's going to take him some time to get his rhythm," Nate McMillan said of his star guard, who spent 34 minutes dragging around his strained hamstring like a thoroughbred with a broken horseshoe before being mercifully lifted from the game with six minutes to play and the Blazers down big.

"I have to continue to try to get my rhythm... Even without the hamstring I had a lot of time away from basketball," Roy said almost perfectly mimicking his coach. "My big thing is to try to still make my plays... I've still missed like a month so I've got to find that rhythm. Sometimes that's basketball, it takes a few games to get it back. Boston is a tough team to find a rhythm against." 

 If you're driving on a flat tire do you turn to your companion and complain about the bumpy ride?  Lost rhythm might be a side effect from an extended absence but it's not the root cause of Roy's uncharacteristic ineffectiveness.  That would still be his hamstring, which dogged him from the game's outset and made watching him struggle up and down the court psychically painful, like going to a museum filled with known forgeries.  At first glance, the real deal.  Upon further inspection, fraud.  

Tonight's Roy -- 3-8 for 9 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block 2 turnovers -- was simply a shell of his healthy self. On offense, he drove gingerly and looked to pass where he usually lifts to shoot.  He hid on the perimeter, made delayed decisions and committed perhaps his most careless turnover of the year, heaving a pass into the 15th row, an area usually reached only by t-shirt bazookas.  On defense, he conserved energy by not moving a lot, not moving quickly and not allowing himself to be drawn into much contact.  He also avoided jumping while rebounding and sprinting when in transition.

"Brandon (Roy) looks hurt, I'm just being honest," Kevin Garnett told a group of reporters including Gary Washburn after the game.  (Video here.) Well said.  

Tonight, McMillan didn't elaborate much past the rhythm talk when it came to Roy's condition.  When pressed, Roy didn't match Garnett's bluntness but he did eventually acknowledge that his struggles weren't simply a matter of rhythm.

"There was some soreness," Roy told reporters. "I've just come to the point where it's going to be there and I've got to figure out how to play with it... it's just not quite there yet."  Asked point-blank whether the tightness and soreness he complained about on Tuesday night was still bothering him tonight, Roy told me, "Honestly it was about the same. Just tonight when I felt that pain, I just said I'm going to keep playing. I got to try to get used to this. Whereas Tuesday... Coach just said to shut it down. Tonight I just said I'm going to play through it now."

Asked if he thought it was realistic that he would be able to return to his peak form from earlier this season by the time the playoffs roll around if he has to continue playing through this pain, Roy admitted to me, "I don't know." He did say, somewhat optimistically, that "I just know once I play more, I'll definitely be better."  

One would hope so.  It couldn't be much worse.

Even with a healthy Roy the Blazers wouldn't have won tonight.  The Celtics slashed and bullied their way to the hoop for easy buckets, finishing with 44 points in the paint and shooting 53% from the field.  Their early-game aggressiveness opened things up for Ray Allen, who knocked down some back-breakers during the second half on his way to 21 points, 3 boards and 5 assists.

If Marcus Camby was to be a magic elixir to fix all the Blazers' interior woes, the Blazers need to check the label to make sure they grabbed the right bottle. In his first game as a Blazer, Camby started but managed just 2 points and 7 rebounds in 29 minutes. He also committed 5 turnovers, an obvious by-product of his unfamiliarity with new teammates.  

Camby's rocky entry into his new team was made worse by the fact that his new captain barely noticed.  "I was just trying to hold my own myself so I didn't really get to pay a lot of attention to how [Marcus] was doing," Roy admitted.  Those words from Roy, a conscientious teammate and leader, are like fingernails on a chalkboard, another signal that he is far from being right health-wise.

Perhaps the single most disconcerting moment tonight came when Roy again directly acknowledged that he is still thinking about the possibility of re-aggravation. "The good thing about it is that I didn't have a setback tonight,"  Roy noted, apparently relieved.

It was that kind of night: the only high point, if you can call it that, was escaping without a serious injury.   

Random Game Notes

  • Rudy Fernandez needs to step up and calm down.  The idea that he might be ready to flip in floaters in traffic is simply not realistic right now.  His feel for attacking the basket and reading defenses is just not there.  The back-to-back charges are one thing but equally troubling are the times the ball is stripped, deflected or he gets caught in the air with no plan.  Whether these failures are the result of lack of repetitions from last year, a lack of personal skill development or a team offensive shortcoming (spacing, etc.), something needs to change and change quickly. The Blazers need Rudy in a big way.
  • There's no need to pick on Rudy as the same tentativeness and inability to find points were exhibited by Martell Webster (a garbage time three pointer saved him from an even uglier night) and Nicolas Batum (played scared in the few moments McMillan put him in the game).  Some of that is to be expected in the wake of a rotation-altering trade and the continued confusion caused by Roy's injury.  Let's hope the adjustments (by coaching staff and players) are made sooner rather than later. 
  • Camby was rocking a ginormous diamond pinky ring in the locker room after the game.  That's not something we've seen this year.  He still has the #23 stitched onto the tongues of his shoes despite the number change to #21 with the trade.  Nike: help this man out.
  • In a brief chat today, a Blazers source expressed satisfaction -- no, strengthen that to pride -- with the Marcus Camby deal.  While some buzz has been floating that the Clippers had been planning to dump Camby for months, word today was that the Blazers/Clippers talks came about relatively quickly prior to the eventual deal and that the Clippers presented themselves as more reluctant to part with Camby than might have been previously assumed.  That makes some sense given Camby's expiring contract and solid production relative to his current salary. 
  • As for the 15th roster spot, the Blazers are being somewhat coy, at least for now.  Options on the table include D-Leaguers, guys that were waived over the past week and, perhaps, guys that have not been waived or bought out yet.  Coming up with a list of names that fall in that last category is a particularly fun exercise which I encourage you to take part in. Multiple sources expect the 15th spot will be filled rather than left open but there are conflicting thoughts about the potential timeline for filling the spot. This is another decision that might hinge in part on Roy's health.
  • There were a few dozen feet of what looked like television cables rolled up outside the Blazers locker room.  Replacement hamstring tendons?  Apologies for the gallows humor.
  • Compare the shooting strokes of DeAndre Jordan to Ray Allen and it's not even the same universe of motion let alone the same specific athletic act.  If Allen's shot was a high school class, it would be AP Physics.  Jordan's would be remedial physical education.  I only wrote this bullet because there's an 85% chance Pelton will start crying if I keep complimenting the former Sonic's shot.
  • Everyone remembers Jesus Shuttlesworth but let's not forget LaLa from He Got Game.  Underrated movie character name.  Translated from Spanish: The (feminine) The (feminine). 
  • Big Baby likes him some Blazers Dancers.  Uno Uno did a double double take on his way back to the locker room before the game.

Nate McMIllan's Post Game Comments

Opening Thoughts

I thought Boston came out and did what they needed to do. The way we played the game was our game plan. Be the aggressors. Defensively get up into their chests. Beat them to their spots. Offensively attack them. We really never established that we could guard them on the defensive end of the floor. That first quarter I think they shot better than 70 percent in that quarter. Offensively we had some shots. We didn't make some shots and they basically just packed it in and forced some guys to shoot the ball. They got the game to their tempo. We pretty much played that tempo all night.

Best defense you've seen this year?

Uh no. I thought the Lakers when they came in. A big team like that played well here. But we've, for whatever reason, have been getting off to some poor starts here. I thought tonight we didn't have our rhythm but defensively is where it starts.  They pretty much got what they wanted in the first quarter.

Was Camby not yet ready to start?

Well the second half I went back to Howard so we could get some more sets. It wasn't on Camby other than I just felt like we needed to get more sets and be able to call more plays and so we put Howard in and we brought Camby off the bench.

How did you think Camby played?

It wasn't one guy. As a team we didn't get it done. Defensively we didn't defend them. I think they had like 20 something points in the paint in that first half. They weren't off of post ups they were off of cuts. That's just a matter of keeping your body between your man and the basket. We didn't do a good job of that. As a unit we didn't play well.

Roy looked like he wasn't as explosive as he can be

Well, you know, he's been out five weeks and it's going to take him some time to get his rhythm. It seems as if we were waiting for each other tonight to make something happen as opposed to coming out with that sense of urgency tonight. Making something happen each guy. Pretty much they had control of the tempo all night.

Does this loss hurt given the excitement this week

Well it does hurt. Pretty much tonight was like having two new guys in the lineup with Marcus and bringing Brandon back. We'll look at film and figure out what we need to do. We've got to work on trying to get a rhythm and a rotation to fit this team.

Utah is coming up Sunday

When you go up against these teams like this, good teams, you've got to bring it. You've got to defend the paint. Tonight we didn't do that. We've had trouble against Utah as you just mentioned, they play in the paint. It's going to be another game in the paint.

You made a short push in the second half

We were able to get into the game with a team that could get something going. We pretty much went to pick and rolls with Bayless and that second group. They pretty much had control of this game throughout. Their main guys didn't play a lot. We just couldn't stop them. We couldn't make a shot. We shoot 33% from the floor, we make 2-12 from the three point line and one of our threes was a bank shot by Brandon. We didn't shoot the ball well.

 -- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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I have a great idea: let’s push our franchise player who is under contract for five more seasons to play through an obvious hamstring injury so that we can make the playoffs in a year that we aren’t a serious contender!

#52 #10 #7

by Cablinasian on Feb 20, 2010 1:56 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

not sure roy is being pushed to do anything here

our problem is no real offensive sets…even on a good night where we win, Clippers and phoenix come to mind, we are hot shooting from the floor. a bit of it does come from offensive sets, but a lot of it is just guys being hot, creating their own stuff…works great when you are hitting shots and the other team is not playing much D…problem is when the opposition does play aggressive D we look terrible, OKC, L*kers, Utah andnow the Celtics come to mind…we need a better offensive scheme, bottom line…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Feb 20, 2010 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

""our problem is no real offensive sets""

Reminds me of an apocalypse now quote…

Are my methods unsound?

I don’t see any method at all, sir.

Looks to me that the team either throws the ball to LMA and goes to the otherside of the floor giving him room to operate but with no one to throw the ball back to if he can’t take his man and he has to force a shot….

Or they run to their spots to spread the floor but when the guy with the ball is well defended they don’t go to the ball to help him out but stay in their positions, each subsequent pass getting more predictable and harder to make without being picked off and all that is left to do is to put up a well contested jump shot.

by meatwad3 on Feb 20, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Since you have no way of knowing more than the guys in the locker room

you are purely speculating at this point. The truth is none of us really know what the hell is going on

by Billy Hoyle on Feb 20, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We sure don't

I’d like to think that the team DOES, but I ain’t so sure.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.

by hurryup09 on Feb 20, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps we need to start a support group here at BE ....

…. for angst ridden ninnies.

Even Ben has caught the disease.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Feb 20, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It looks like it hurts the team to have Brandon out there when he's a shadow of himself.

The Blazers were passing the ball much more when he was out and they knew he was out. Also, benching Dante for Camby is a shame.

Well, at least Bayless showed some life.

ignacio

by ignacio on Feb 20, 2010 2:22 AM PST reply actions  

???

a few moments? like 3/10th of a second?

by ItsMrHarris2u on Feb 20, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't underestimate the value of his 2 charges.

I know it looked like he was just turning the ball over on two critical possessions, but trust me, it was all about the mental intimidation. When we face the Celts in the Finals, they’ll all have flashbacks of Rudy’s 115 lb. frame crashing into Big Baby, and they’ll stay the heck out of the lane. We may have lost the battle, but we’ll win the war!

"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave

by DC Blazer on Feb 20, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry.

Rudy did good for a few minutes with his runners but got called offensive fouls on both. I feel like he may have gotten more confidence had those calls not been made.

by Rockys' on Feb 20, 2010 2:26 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

yes, and both calls could've gone either way.

i think this is a good time to just give him some minutes and see what we have. if he plays so badly he can’t stay on the court then we’ll know. and batum can play some 2.

when brandon isn’t brandon i don’t see any reason for him to be out there. he’s afraid to drive right now, and that’s most of his game.

ignacio

by ignacio on Feb 20, 2010 2:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you miss the part where both he and coach stated he needs to log some minutes to get back into a rhythm? I don’t know if you follow other teams at all but it’s pretty common for top-tier players to come back a little slow from injury. There’s issues with conditioning and confidence. Paul Pierce is a perfect example of the exact same thing. Or go watch Danny Granger’s games after he came back this year. Bottom line, it takes time. Don’t write him off so soon

by Billy Hoyle on Feb 20, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. Watched the replays quite a few times.

"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave

by DC Blazer on Feb 20, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Am I making i up...

or was Baby’s right foot in the circle on the first one?? It sure looked like from the angle I saw but maybe there was a better one. Still if it is that iffy on replay, understandable they would miss it at full speed.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 20, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Defensively we didn’t defend them.

And offensively they offended quite a bit.

by Epimenides on Feb 20, 2010 3:25 AM PST reply actions  

Brandon's Hamstring

Why are they letting Brandon play when he is obviously injured.. The Blazers are risking further injury to their star player not to mention defying conventional medical treatment for a hamstring injury. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!! Speak up trainer,doctor,Kevin…..somebody…. and shut him down until he is healthy. This is not football where you tape it and get back on the field. Where are the adults?

by chaddyboy on Feb 20, 2010 5:04 AM PST reply actions  

Agree 100%

There seems to be a lot of denial going on here by both the team and some of it’s fans.

1. Hamstrings usually do not heal when you play on them – just sets the healing process back further and further.

2. Given all of the injuries, limping into the playoffs this year does not propel the franchise forward in any way – actually hampering it’s chances of drafting a long term solution at the point.

3. GO is not coming back for the playoffs.

Risking the long term health of a franchise player along with a lottery pick for 7-10 days of saying ‘look at us, we’re in a playoff series!’ is absurd, IMO.

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Feb 20, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

cause no one with the authority to make Roy sit

has the balls to take care of business.

Make Roy sit until he is healed.

#52. Get well soon.

by Eat Politicians on Feb 20, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

This game showed just how far we have to go to be a contender

I am not sure it matters who we have in the middle. Even when GO and Joel were healthy other teams could get into the paint at will. Joel/GO/Camby make a nice play – block or alter a shot, but the other team gets an easy second chance hoop due to poor weakside/rotational defense. In a pregame blurb Assistant Monty said the Celtics “are a team we emulate defensively” . I had to laugh. That’s like me saying I emulate Mario Andretti because we both drive cars.

Andre was the only guy keeping the team in the game in the first quarter, he was the only guy attacking the rim. So of course Nate pulls him with more than 3 minutes left in the first quarter. Now they have Rudy and Brandon plying point. Brilliant.

Last night reminded me of a playoff game – the refs swallowed their whistles and allowed the teams to play. The Blazers’ opponent was aggressive on both ends of the court. The Blazers weren’t, and they got spanked. It won’t get any better come playoff time.

Jump shooting teams that don’t play defense and don’t score in the paint don’t win titles. Time to make a few changes to the roster, KP.

Oh yeah, does Rasheed yell ‘ball don’t lie’ every time someone misses a free throw? or does he just do that against Portland? I was hoping Pendy would pull a Rick Mahorn and break his jaw…

by lil'stink on Feb 20, 2010 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

Did you hear

when ‘dre yelled ball dont lie back at sheed after boston missed a free throw on a terrible call in the 3rd? He yelled so loud it came through Mike & Mike’s feed. I had to laugh

by Billy Hoyle on Feb 20, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Assistant Monty said the Celtics "are a team we emulate defensively"

If that’s true, then Paul Allen needs to put on the full-court press and hire Tom Thibodeau

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Good job Ben

for making the story line what it should have been … Brandon’s injury influenced poor performance. It made all the difference in the world in this game. He should NOT be playing.

We missed Steve Blake. We had been depending on him a lot lately to get the ball moving when our offense stalled. No one to do that now. Probably are going to have to give Mills a better look, but he is so green.

Camby a savior? We’re a better team after the trade? I don’t think so. We’ll miss Blake. We’ll miss the youthful energy and enthusiasm we were getting from Dante and Jeff. I fear we’re a worse team now. Combine all that with a badly hobbled Roy and you come up with no playoffs I’m thinking.

For me, that was the Blazer’s most depressing game of the year.

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Feb 20, 2010 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

I agree w/BRoy's injury influencing poor performance

I was at the game and also agree that was one of the most depressing games of the year (although the OKC loss was a contender for that too).

But missing Steve Blake because he was promoting ball movement? Did you forget his tendencies?
- Being scared to feed the ball into the post for LMA or Oden when they had worked hard to establish deep position (albeit that wasn’t too frequent) but instead swinging it back around the perimeter (I guess that’s ball movement)
- Dribble down the shot clock aimlessly until 12 seconds before setting up a play (although he had the oh-so-effective trick of letting the ball roll on the ground without touching it so that the shot clock didn’t start – so that he could dribble the whole 12 aimless seconds “setting up the offense”)
- Driving hard then once his foot touches the paint, turn right back out (the fake drive)
- Driving hard until he gets under the basket, then goes all the way through to the other side of the paint that he came from then hands it off to someone on the perimeter
- “Flaming bag” passes to Andre Miller and others
- Driving and then turning around to pass to LaMarcus while LMA is standing 1 foot inside the 3pt line, tempting LMA to shoot from there because he’s “open”

I don’t recall positive experiences of Blake creating ball movement, at least not movement that was productive anyways.

by Blzr31 on Feb 20, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

While some of your observations of Blake's tendencies are accurate...

…they still don’t disprove the notion that he was the best PG on our roster at getting the Blazers into scoring sets. Miller is wonderful at getting his. But, the way this offense works isnt particularly compatible with his style in terms of him helping others get theirs.

We have 2 problems: 1) A dire need for a quicker PG and 2) an equally dire need for a better offensive system. Point 2 indicates the 3rd and perhaps biggest problem: 3) we may need a more flexible coach. Nate might not be the right fit here.

by mjswoosh on Feb 21, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

The Blake vs. Miller argument is moot now

But I whole heartedly agree with you about the need for a more flexible coach. More flexible and more imaginative.

by Blzr31 on Feb 21, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You sound like Mike Barrett, and not in a good way!

Just teasing.

Seriously though, while it is certainly true that the Blazers could have used someone, anyone, even a popcorn vendor in Section 103, who could hit a jumper last night. I think it is totally misguided to think that Steve Blake’s amazing PG skills would have made any difference last night. Andre Miller and Jerryd Bayless struggled as distributors for two reasons:

1) Boston put an enormous amount of on the ball pressure on our PGs. Rondo is good, very good. Boston is extremely aggressive on pick and rolls. Even as fast and aggressive as Bayless is, he had to really work to turn the corner against the Boston bigs on the pick and roll.

2) No one, and I mean no one, could hit a shot last night. I went back and counted seven times Bayless passed the ball to an teammate for an open jumper. He got zero assists for the effort. Rudy, Martell, Cunningham, Howard, it didn’t matter who he passed the ball to, nobody could hit a jumper.

If Steve had been hot last night, we really could have used him. But arguing that Blake would have made any difference beyond that seems like a big stretch.

Arguing that this team is worse with Camby rather than Blake strikes me as absurd. Camby needs time. The Blazers need a chance to try to integrate him against lesser quality opponents. The Blazers need the real Brandon Roy a whole lot more than we need Blake with his PER or 11 and his 4 assists per 36 minutes. I laughed at Barrett last night when he said Blake was a spark plug for the offense. Bayless scores twice as much per minute as Blake did. Bayless averages slightly more assists per 36 minutes. Sure Blake ability to spread the floor when his shot was falling was very helpful, but in terms of overall production, Bayless has outplayed Blake consistently.

by upper left corner on Feb 20, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Bayless struggled as a distributor because no one wuld move off th e ball. I'm not saying Bayless

has arrived as a point guard but good lord, he’d drive and look to dish and people would just be standing there.

Ray Allen absolutely SCHOOLED Nic by working off screeens. bayless had no one doing anything like that when he was on the floor.

by raoulduke on Feb 20, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Ray Allen absolutely SCHOOLED Nic by working off screens

While that may be true, there was also a clear demonstration of Boston’s big men knowing how to set screens

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Much better screens than we are used to seeing.

The way Boston beat us reminded me of the way Utah killed us. Tough defense and an offense of screens and cuts to create easy opportunities on offense.

by upper left corner on Feb 20, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Ben needs a glass of cold water to the face.

I expect more than something that sounds like whining and complaining from a manic depressive …… otherwise known as the same drivel we see so much of here from fans who panic after every poor performance, point fingers and pass judgement on who sucks, who is at fault and how obvious it all is.

It is one loss to a team that understands how to play defense. A game where Portland was trying both to integrate a new center who is unfamiliar with the sets and his teammates and their star player who is rusty from sitting out and not playing at full health. Sure, overall play appeared poor pretty much from the entire team. Bayless was the only guy who seemed to have any fire in his belly. So what. It is one game. Some of what we saw was to be expected and the rest is as likely to be a one game anomoly as anything. It certainly isn’t the first time the team has played flat and gotten its butts kicked. They’ve managed to bounce back from such performances all season.

So how about we all say that game sucked, take a deep breath, relax and look forward to the Blazers playing better against Utah? If we all would have been satisfied with a split of these two games, beating Utah is better for the team anyway.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Feb 20, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Watching Brandon with that injury

was plenty enough to depress me.

We, I’m afraid, added Camby for no good reason ’cuz it will be hard to make the playoffs without Roy.

You think we’ll beat Utah?! Highly unlikely.

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Feb 20, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

At what point do people stop making excuses?

Deep breaths after brutal losses in which your star player is demonstrating short term ineffectiveness potentially creating a long term problem is really bad. You have to win X number of games to make the playoffs. Getting blown out on your home court by anyone 60 games into the season, no matter the circumstances, is bad.

This isn’t “one game at a time” kind of stuff…this game potentially has SEVERE consequences, for this year and possibly the next.

by Free Bayless on Feb 20, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Severe basketball consequences, obviously.

Another in a long tradition of stating-the-obvious replies.

“Jimmy Young Player is only XX years old!”
“If every Blazer gets better next year, this team is gonna be sick!”
“I’d spend a ton of Paul Allen’s money to improve the roster!”
“You think this is bad? You could get live in Afghanistan or have one leg or get hit by a bus, or all 3!”

Please put me on record as speaking about basketball for all future posts on this basketball message board. Thanks.

by Free Bayless on Feb 20, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Nope this wasn't the most depressing game at all. The Celtics played very well. Very well.

The Blazers looked a bit like they were waiting for Brandon and Camby to do everything or something…not sure what they thought but they were busy thinking instead of moving or doing things themselves.

Games where the Blazers don’t bother to do anything like the first games against Memphis and Utah at the beginning of the season when noone was injured except Batum and Outlaw…THOSE were the most depressing games of the year for me.

Camby will make a big difference buy only if the other players do their parts. Not sure what is going on with Roy. Wish we had a different medical training staff. Think these guys…Bobby Medina in particular…need to be looked into BIG TIME. And not just for Brandon’s situation.

And you know what? We need a big…like Camby far more than we need 5 guards.

by Natsthecat on Feb 20, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ben, You sound very bitter.

Rather BRoy should or should not play is a respectful question, but crying because he is not his old self and favoring his hammy is being selfish.

No one knows, but BRoy how his hamstring is, to go out there and exercise it in game conditions without pushing his limits may not win us the game, but it will help his confidence and help him getting in shape and get his rhythm. He still is a leader to the team even on one leg and I would rather see him play like he did last night then see him behind the bench as long as it is his idea. Look at him playing as being part of his rehab, if he can’t play up to par, that is not a good reason to be critical. That makes you sound selfish and win the game for us or don’t play.

Whether BRoy playing is a mistake or not, I don’t know, but being bitter and critical because he is not up to par for going out and trying to get his game back slowly whether it be his idea or managements idea is just being narrow minded.

hg

by BBK on Feb 20, 2010 9:02 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Rec.

I was both surprised and dissappointed by Ben’s column. He’s acting more like a fan (of the pouting sort) than an objective observer.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Feb 20, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

telling it like it is

I appreciate honesty, even if if it’s critical, as opposed to “sugar-coated” analysis

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

it's the difference between

mom telling the kid who just got beat “it’s OK honey, have a Capri-Sun and an orange slice”

and dad telling him “you better suck it up! If you come out with that effort and quit so easily again, you’ll quit on everything in your life!”

I’m not saying that there’s not times when “discretion is the better part of valor” (re: Brandon’s hammy) but to watch that game and then provide a rose-colored analysis would’ve been disingenuous (at best)

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with two4larue.

The rest of you homers need to wake up and smell the poo filled zip-loc.

by mjswoosh on Feb 21, 2010 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

You ar abssolutely right

Therefore I have the same right to criticise him as he does BRoy, besides I have no bones to pick with Ben, I love this blog. I was just expressing my opinion of bitterness.

hg

by BBK on Feb 20, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor Preformance?????

For sure we played bad, basically the whole team sucked, but I for one am not embarrassed and only disappointed because I was dreaming of big things and planning what the outcome could be.

I don’t know just how bad we were on offense or just how much we let Boston take away from us, either way we gave them the game with lack of execution. On D it was partly due to bad timing and Boston being red hot.

We have been like this all year; we play a couple of good games and start to say we are good then the monster pops up and we play hopefully only one bad game, but it usually is two and two. This is so bad that I have heard our identity is that of a two headed monster either all good or all bad.

BRoy was mostly playing to get in game shape and play through his injury, I am OK with that if that will work and that is what he wants to try. Although he wasn’t the BRoy of old yet, it was far better then having him in a street suit. Anyway I think that; he gives leadership and spacing to the rest of the team.

With Camby being new and out of sync with the rest of the Blazers we were about the same as we would have been without him. That is not a fault that is just like getting comfortable with a new pair of shoes; once we get used to them they will fit much better.

Negativity is understandable, it is sad to see our team in such disarray, but remember like a bad penny they will return.

Last night’s game was a class in session and the lessons are hard. Much like life, the events in one’s life is lessens we all have to learn to handle and deal with. In this case we get the same lesson over and over again, because we have not learned to play efficiently in a physical game. If we ever do then look out, for then and only then we will be there and we won’t have to think, we will know.

hg

by BBK on Feb 20, 2010 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

In this case we get the same lesson over and over again, because we have not learned to play efficiently in a physical game

this^

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Camby used to playing at the 5?

He is a forward, not a center. After all the talk of what we needed all season, I would have thought that Camby would have been firmly parked under or near the basket but every time I looked for him, he was out somewhere near the 3 pt line. Is he playing out of position and therefore will need time to get used to it?

by blazersrmyteam on Feb 20, 2010 9:21 AM PST reply actions  

he reminds me of Caldwell Jones

the Blazers brought CJ in back ’85 to play behind Bowie and Thompson. Caldwell was a 35 year-old veteran of the ABA/NBA who was known as a defender and a good ball-handler for his size (ref 1977 championship series, when he brought the ball upcourt for Philly) Of course, Bowie got hurt after 38 games that season and CJ played more than was expected, and he helped the young Blazers “grow up” for 4 years before he left the season that Portland made the Buck Williams trade and reached the finals

If Camby better player now than Jones was at the same age? Of course. But when I see Marcus I remember Caldwell. Same physique, same attention to defensive. Good ballhandler, scoring is an afterthought.

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I put this on Rudy and Webwster.

 These two guys have really stunk lately. They don’t look like they belong in the NBA. Seriously. If you know Brandon is hurt don’t you come out even more ready to help him out? Someone make some shots and defend please. Oh when will we ever have a reliable shooter.

by Flapbreaker on Feb 20, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

Webster just went for 28

and they combined for 9 3s or something.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Feb 20, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter.

Somebody has to be at fault when the outcome doesn’t meet with fan expectation.

Personally I blame Shana Peabody.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Feb 20, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

hot/cold

we’ve been down this road before…Martell and Rudy need to show more consistency. We can blame it on minutes or the coaches but really it’s “on them” to look in the mirror and make the necessary adjustments. The team has faced adversity as a group very well this season, but individual players have not “faced the adversity” of big-boy defense and handled it well at all, during games against veteran/experienced teams

the future of their Blazer careers will depend on their progress, in this area

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Personally

I think the whole hot/cold issue with guys like Rudy, Martell, Batum, Bayless, and Cunningham can be attributed largely to Nate’s weird substitutions. None of those guys know when they’re going to play or for how long, and they can all pretty much get yanked anytime. For that reason I think it’s hard to be consistent. For example, I think Cunningham got 1 minute in the first half yesterday….how can that lead to any sort of consistency? We really need to pick an 8 man rotation and stick to that so each of the 8 guys can get in the neighborhood of 20+ minutes. I think that will lead to better shooting and better overall play from those aforementioned guys.

by adaoh on Feb 20, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

What 8 guys

would you settle on? One of the hard parts of Nate’s job is that we have more than 8 guys who are good enough/deserve to play

by Billy Hoyle on Feb 20, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

there's a time to develop talent

and there’s a time to “tighten up” the rotation

Portland is going to tighten up the rotation and try to wins as many games as they can until they’re mathematically eliminated or have clinched their playoff spot and can’t move up or down. This means less minutes for Cunningham and Pendergaph, and more for veterans like Camby and Howard.

If Rudy and Martell can’t be consistent playing spot minutes, then what makes anyone think they can be effective role players on a finals-caliber team? That’s the name of the game when you’re coming off the bench: be ready, play hard every night and keep your mouth shut

The time to “develop talent” is over, until the summer. If the game gets out of hand (like last night) then you play the rooks and the reserves

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle here.

Agree that summer time is to dev talent and players do need to be ready.

But I also think Nate’s inability to nail down a consistent rotation is a problem. That combined with the injuries really has hampered team chemistry since players dont seem to be aware of who they are playing with on a night to night basis.

by mjswoosh on Feb 21, 2010 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

the rotation has been in flux due to injuries this year, like you said

but my point is that now everybody’s healthy (except for Brandon) and it’s time for the rotation to be tightened. This is not just a Portland thing, all the contenders will be doing this “squeeze” in the last few months of the season, unless injuries prevent them. As the games “count” more, the coaches want the players who they can trust to play the majority of the minutes. Then when the playoffs start, the games slow down, there’s more time off between games and more TV timeouts during games, as well. So playing 7-8 guys is all that’s typically necessary, unless there’s foul trouble or nagging injuries to deal with during the post season.

We’ll find out “what that means” for Portland’s bench as the weeks go by, but if you start seeing less PT for certain players, you’ll know they aren’t considered “ready for prime time players” by Nate and the coaching staff

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by two4larue on Feb 21, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Celtic perimeter defense was excellent. That said, both Rudy and Webster missed some open

shots or hesitated to shoot. They were thinking too much or afraid to miss or something. The Celtics got into their heads. Plus the Celtics played physical defense and got called on about 1/3 of their fouls…so foul back JUST AS HARD. At a certain point the refs just have to stop blowing the whistles or the game would never end.
Both Rudy and Webster do well in games where the defense is soft…or they have an opportunity to get their offense flowing. Wish they could do the same when they are defended well. Hopefully they will learn with experience. They are both going to get better with this sort of game.

by Natsthecat on Feb 20, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

There is

his name is Brandon Roy, you may have heard of him. Yes, he’s been hurt and it’s lingering, but when he’s healthy, well, that’s what we get and why we win more games.

by Billy Hoyle on Feb 20, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Celtic fans in the Rose Garden

Last night made any Laker game look like a joke. There were hundreds and hundreds of green shirts in OUR Rose Garden last night. During the 2nd qtr Boston run, the Rose Garden was rocking, WITH CELTIC FANS!!!

I’ve never been more embarressed to be a Blazer fan. I can’t believe I paid all that money to watch that game last night.

by ItsMrHarris2u on Feb 20, 2010 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

Just unbelievable

This is the most asinine handling of a major pro sports player’s injury that I’ve ever, ever witnessed. I’m ashamed of this organization’s approach and short-sightedness

by travis13 on Feb 20, 2010 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

I hear the Lakers are looking for a few good fans.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I admire this team

The few Blazers games I get to see each year tells me that your team is decent, but I think it might have already peaked in terms of potential. The Blazers are a fun watch, the pieces are nice, but the team doesn’t strike me as particularly scary to face in a 7-game series. What’s problematic is that your team’s focal point, the one who will be consuming most of your salary cap space for the next few years looks like he’ll never make it through an 82 game season plus playoffs unscathed.

Here’s my question to your readership – with the summer of 2010 being the year where so many teams will be looking to acquire major pieces, and with some of those teams destined to fail in their free agent pursuits, would you be receptive to the idea of trading Roy at the peak of his value for more durable complementary pieces?

by HQ Interloper on Feb 20, 2010 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

+92

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Feb 20, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, who knew Danny Ainge read BE?

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Feb 20, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

trade Roy when he's hurt? Brilliant!

(it’s wrong on so many levels, where to start?)

Why not take Brandon out back and shoot him, instead?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy is clearly Nate's favorite

Nate has a mancrush on Roy. He always gives him the most minutes….if KP were to trade Roy away that would show Nate who’s boss, thus taking the decision out of Nate’s hands which is a good thing (not unlike what KP did by trading Blake and Travis). KP needs to take control of this team and this is an excellent way to do it

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Feb 20, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Okayyy, I'll play along

Even if KP wanted to deal Brandon, Roy is going to be BYC in July

It’s okay to place completely unreachable expectations on KP (I’ve certainly been guilty of that in the past…because he is good at what he does) But there’s “unlikely” and there’s “ain’t-never-gonna-happen”…and Portland dealing Roy (in the next 5 years, at least) is firmly in the second category

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about all that CBA stuff

but I think KP’s biggest obstacle will be finding another GM who will want Roy….maybe Wallace

Roybot: "Then he said "My girlfriend is from LA." to which I replied "Well then you need to find a new girlfriend."’

by 92wastheyear on Feb 20, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Blazers hired a more progressive athletic training staff, I believe that the Blazers would

make huge strides. Here is an excert from an article on Shaq O’Neal:

O’Neal came to Phoenix with a nagging hip injury that he feared might cut short his career. He was in no position to demand 15 to 20 shots a game, or to capitalize on them.

After 11 months of corrective exercises, the hip is no longer an issue, O’Neal said.

"I got a guy here, his name is Nellie," O’Neal said, referring to the Suns’ head athletic trainer Aaron Nelson, who was working on him as he spoke. "He’s not one of those old guys who just gives you ice and stim. He actually knows his stuff. When I first came in, he laughed. He said, ‘You know what, you don’t have a hip problem.’ "

The problem, as O’Neal has described it, was that a muscle in his considerable posterior was not "firing" correctly. Nelson’s program helped him retrain those muscles. With his explosiveness back, O’Neal went to Porter in early December.

"I just told him, ‘Y’all want me to be me, I’m feeling good, the best shape of my life, bring it to me,’ " O’Neal said.

Seems to me the Blazers would do well to hire some PROGRESSIVE ATHLETIC TRAINERS
PHOENIX SUNS:
Aaron Nelson: Head Athletic Trainer
Mike Elliott: Head Strength and Conditioning Coach/Assistant Athletic Trainer

by Natsthecat on Feb 20, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The injured "focal point" will be Oden, not Roy.

Oden is a slightly more important piece of the puzzle.

It’s quite simple really: if both stay healthy for 2-3 years and are surrounded by good complementary pieces and a good system, this team will contend.

Obviously, staying healthy is a question at this point.

Still, you must be smoking crack to think KP is ever going to trade Roy. Aint gonna happen. lol

by mjswoosh on Feb 21, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I really doubt we'd ever trade Brandon

Durable or not, he is the face of this franchise and this team, this city needs him.

by gotissues68 on Feb 20, 2010 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

ugh

Was to be a reply to the post above this re: trading Roy for complementary pieces.

by gotissues68 on Feb 20, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes!

Cleveland is horrible! They lost in Charlotte!

Charlotte made the right trade, and got Tyrus Thomas, who scored, rebounded, and blocked shots!

The Bobcats will win it all, now. I know, because I read the boxscores from last night’s games, and that tells me all I need to know. The guy that made the right moves at the deadline is MJ. End of story. Boxscore don’t lie.

Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!

by jscot on Feb 20, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Showoff.

Always flashing those superior analytical skills of yours.

Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

by timg56 on Feb 20, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Acquiring Thomas actually was a good trade for Charlotte

Unlike the second one they tried to make but ultimately didn’t. If it helps them make some noise in the playoffs? Who knows, the Eastern Conference seems volatile.

by Norsktroll on Feb 20, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

This isn't one game.

Its an entire season of being unable to stay respectable on the home court, unable to provide consistent effort, unable to scheme and execute against quality coaches and lineups, and just plain not winning enough games.

However, I agree that this one game with Camby isn’t any evidence that Camby will be ineffective. I really, really like the Camby deal and think it will be beneficial the rest of the year. But if Roy isn’t going to be Roy, they’re toast.

by Free Bayless on Feb 20, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Free Bayless is correct.

While it’s funny to clown on people for over-reacting after “just one loss”, the very valid counter point is that we are seeing consistent problems with team/player regression over the course of this season.

by mjswoosh on Feb 21, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Ben, so what is the comment about the diamond pinky ring about? SO??? Really.

Why are you even mentioning this? If Ben doesn’t read this and someone else knows, I really am curious. As I don’t see that the diamond pinky ring is relavent…maybe I am missing something.
I will post more I am sure but want to ask this question.

by Natsthecat on Feb 20, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

because it stood out

in comparision to the (relatively) bling-free Blazer’s locker room of recent years?

I doubt Camby will be a tend-setter in this area, the youngsters follow Roy and he’s more understated. Some things can be long-term irrelevant and short-term noteworthy at the same time

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

And if someday someone decides to dislike Camby and make it his mission to criticize him in Bedge, this is ammunition.

by Epimenides on Feb 20, 2010 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Blazers have no fire

this team wins on sheer effort,which was lacking last night. Its like noboddy knows where theyre supposed to be or what to do or whos going to do it.

by 58rhodes on Feb 20, 2010 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

Is a depth reliant team capable of a long playoff run?

Ok, some were not receptive to my trade Roy idea, but let me ask another question. Correct me if I’m wrong but the Blazers strike me as a depth reliant team, meaning a lot of their advantage comes from a strong bench. Is this type of team capable of a long play-off run? I remember the Hubie Brown Grizzlies teams from a few years back, relied heavily on a rotation of 10 or so players, won 50 games two consecutive years and didn’t make much noise in the playoffs. Are the Blazers, as presently constructed, Memphis 2.0? Does any permutation of a starting 5 present itself as scary to face in a 7 game series? From glimpses at your board this year, I think I’ve seen complaints about your coach’s rotations, do you see him as being able to manage the talent in a playoff scenario that allows for success? I guess I’m asking about how you see your team going from very good to great, given the many pieces it has at its disposal?

by HQ Interloper on Feb 20, 2010 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

Trade Roy?

I dont know about that but I do know that all the great teams depend on a consistant 7 or 8 man rotation.

by 58rhodes on Feb 20, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

do you see him as being able to manage the talent in a playoff scenario that allows for success?

Based on last April’s series against Houston? No. But the 2009 Rockets were a brutal matchup for Portland and I wasn’t convinced that Portland’s roster at the end of last season was set-up well for post-season success, regardless

Two units and 10+ deep rotations are fine for the regular season. In the playoffs there is less need for substitutions and the best 5-7 man unit will win a large percentage of the time.

That is NBA history, in a nutshell

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

When this team comes to play

 They can beat anyone in this league. However when you allow uncontested layups to the rim, cannot hit open shots from any spot on the floor with any consistency and stand around looking at the ball instead of reacting your not going to win many games. I thought for 1 quarter the Blazers played ok then they forgot how to shoot and make a basket for the 2nd quarter. I also think that if Roy cannot play a higher level of basketball he might need to stay off the court. How is it helping the team if your not gonna be a threat but are worried your hammy might tear? I want the old Rudy back. He was in the Suns game before the all star break.

   Webster should never look at footage of this game ever. Its would make a grown man weep to watch his performance. Batum looked like this was his first year of playing basketball, his shooting was awful. However I hear he was ill before the game. The point guards Bayless and Miller came to play however the rest of the team looked like it was coasting. I dont mind losing a game however I do expect some effort on the court. Maybe the whole team caught what Batum had.

by Baddog992 on Feb 20, 2010 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

I thought for 1 quarter the Blazers played ok

Boston shot 70+% and scored 32 points

That’s not “OK” by anyone’s standards

I was impressed with LMA, I thought he looked anything but “soft” As for the rest, they need to learn how to play hard like the Celtics did, at both ends of the court. Nate can tell them this again and again, but the desire to dominate the opponent has to come from inside each player

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

My biggest wish

is that we move away from individual talents and towards more cohesive team play. For now I’m referring to the offense. It would be nice if the players trust the system than depend on Brandon’s or LaMarcus’ prowress, or even Webster’s and Rudy’s streaky shooting to carry us through dead or uninspired stretches. Problem is, there’s no system (other than the typical open jumpshot).

by Stryder9 on Feb 20, 2010 3:51 PM PST reply actions  

Shut B Roy down.

I would rather have a 100% Rudy than a 50-60 timid Brandon.

by JmarcL4 on Feb 20, 2010 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

Nate's comment about the slow 1st quarter starts
I thought tonight we didn’t have our rhythm but defensively is where it starts.

To me, this is an endorsement of a return for Batum to the starting lineup

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 8:44 PM PST reply actions  

I would like the move...

but don’t know if we would get anything out of Martell the rest of the year. But if he can see the benefit of his offense and defense on the second unit and keep playing hard. If they do go back to sitting Roy I would like to see Webster at the 2 with Batum playing the three. I don’t know if that is my preferred long minute line-up, but it sure makes the Blazers bigger.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 20, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Batum is a better backup at the 2

Webster clearly doesn’t have the handles or court vision to play SG

I’m getting tired of folks worrying about “how Martell might respond” if he was demoted. (He’s said several times that it doesn’t matter if he starts or not, so take him at his word and don’t project “feelings”) If Marty’s shooting percentage drops off the table as a reserve, that just tells me he’s not the best fit for the team going forward and another backup wing needs to be pursued during the offseason (Claver could eventually be that guy, in a couple of years)

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by two4larue on Feb 20, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Especially for noting his lack of handles/court vision.

Martell is not a starter quality 2 or 3 yet. Period.

Perhaps after a rigourous offseason targeting aforementioned weaknesses during training camp. Until then, bring him off the bench.

by mjswoosh on Feb 21, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Not worrying about his feelings

I just don’t know if he is the kind of player who can produce with limited minutes or coming off the bench. His most productive times seem to be when he starts the first or third quarter, not when he comes off the bench. I agree they should look elsewhere if he can’t produce in that role because Batum is clearly going to be special.
Maybe I should clarify and just say use them together. Martell can stand in the corner if he is playing the 1,2, or 3. In the Blazer’s scheme on offense, the technical designation would probably be Miller at the two, Batum at PG and Webster at the three.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 21, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

A tale of Two Offenses...

Man, that was some butt-ugly butt-whipping we were subjected to last night.

What struck me was the difference in motion in the offense. Every play, the Celtics used about a dozen picks to get a man free for a shot in the paint. Every play, the Blazers would all stand around, except for the one guy running around about to get the ball.. Then, when the D stopped his shot, there was NO secondary option. Nate’s offense is just pitiful, I’m sorry. No way will a Nate-led team win the NBA title… I’m sorry, it just won’t. Nate has to go…

by Visionary2 on Feb 20, 2010 11:37 PM PST reply actions  

If you read the post game comments

over at Clips Nation, it seems like they are loving them some Steve Blake.

by TPforprez on Feb 21, 2010 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

test

"And our second unit can probably start in most NBA cities." -Maurice Lucas

by dew0lfe on Feb 21, 2010 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

Pffffttttttttt

There are things all teams have to go through. These guys will be ready to move by the playoffs

by Hermistonmelons on Feb 21, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

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