Latest Trade Talk
by Dave on Feb 18, 2010 12:21 AM PST
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PrintHere we go with some more. ESPN.com has sources saying Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry, and Joey Dorsey are headed to Sacramento for Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong, and Sergio Rodriguez. McGrady may yet be heading to the Knicks though.
This is in addition to the earlier story that the Wizards continue to divest themselves of every player but the one they'd really like to lose, trading Antawn Jamison to Cleveland in a three-way deal. Zydrunas Ilgauskas' huge expiring contract heads to Washington along with Al Thornton. The Clippers get Drew Gooden.
Between Sergio in the first deal and Thornton being a competitor with Travis Outlaw for playing time in the second, there are marginal Portland ties both ways. Mainly, though, some big names are getting tossed around at the deadline.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
P.S. Go ahead and use the comment section to let us know about (and further discuss) the latest rumors and deals coming down the pike today.
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Rockets just commited a crime.
Fortunately the Kings are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, and think that the Rockets love them.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
I don't think so
Landry is a fantastic player. The Kings get him and shed a ton of salary in the process. It didn’t help that Martin played the same position as Sac’s new best player.
Also...
Martin is injury prone, and I don’t think Sac was willing to rely on him being healthy. That team just needs a PG and some defensive big-men, and they’re ready to go.
Evans is a PG
the Kings need a “SG” who can defend quick PGs and can shoot open 3s. Similar to Roy in Portland
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I don't like the trade much for the rockets
The get the best player in the deal, sure, but they are left with 4 “bigs” for the rest of the season. Scola, Hayes, Cook, and Anderson. Thats it. They wont be catching the blazers with that front court. I would think that Landry would be a deal breaker, but i guess not…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Duh
Add in Armstrong and Kenny Thomas as well. Two guys that barely sniffed the court in Sacamento. They will be so weak inside, although Landry wasnt exactly a power house down there. It is probably a pretty smart move for the future though.
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Yeah, this deal wasn't about this year.
It was for when Yao returns.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 18, 2010 2:26 AM PST up reply actions
oops...
I was quite surprised to see Landry in this trade. Seems like the kind of player a competitive team would want on its roster.
I've always considered Hayes as "less replaceable" than Landry
Carl is a great 4th quarter scorer, but Chuck is an oak tree who can defend centers
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
It's a win/win in the long run
Rockets turn T-Mac’s EC into something valuable.
Martin was effectively behind Evans, Landry was behind Scola.
This probably makes Sac no worse for this year, and they have cap space this summer, AND perhaps T-Mac can actually contribute something.
This probably makes Houston slightly better this year (Landry is a big loss, but Martin is a nice pickup for a team that can struggle to score at times, and will fit well in their offense). It will make Houston MUCH better next year (as in a 55-60 win team and definite title contender) if Yao is healthy.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
I hope that this is the trade that Houston gets for T-mac
Although they may be slightly better this year(they are going to have a pretty pathetic group of bigs outside of scola and I suppose Hayes), it doesnt make them competitive with the blazers for a playoff spot unless they really overachieve, or we really underachieve. I feel pretty good about it from the blazers standpoint…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
My opinion only
but I think if Houston does this deal they are effectively writing off this season and turning T-Mac into something really, really useful for them next year. Martin is going to be great next to Yao, you can’t collapse on him with Kevin out there knocking down shots.
This might make them marginally better this year, and they won’t quit trying, but they needed more than marginally better if they were going to make a run at a playoff spot this year.
Just my opinion, but I’d say this deal would increase our chances of a playoff spot this year.
It also increases our chances of losing a playoff battle against Houston sometime in the next 2-3 years.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Ya, It could definitely make them an elite team down the road...
But so much is riding on Yao that it doesnt worry me too much. If/when Yao is back on the court and playing like he used to, then I will start to get nervous.
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
yep
He might get paid “like outta this world”
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 18, 2010 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
If Kerr traded Amer'e, he owes it to Nash to trade him too
I still got hopes of some form of a Miller for Nash trade.
as much as i like miller
i would love that
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 18, 2010 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
Robinson-House trade between Celtics and Knicks to be finalized today. Knicks to also receive J.R. Giddens & potentially a second round draft pick
Will Robinson be ready to play in Portland?
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
I would pay extra to see him take away a big shot from LeBron or Kobe, and then a meltdown on the court…
I am sure he would be plenty happy coming off the bench for the 10-15 mpg he barely deserves
I want to see it happen just in case he truly does have a 1st round curse….
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
by Rudiculous on Feb 18, 2010 6:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's dumb
he should go to the Magic and play thee role Hedo played for them last year. He has all those same skills.
rumor central said that the kings may ship t-mac to chicago
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
T-Mac in exile
I hope T-Mac stays in Siberia and doesn’t get shipped off to NY or Chicago. I don’t like it when superstars demand to be traded to big market teams and get their wish. For the money he’s getting and the time he sat, he deserves to prove himself again with a bottom feeder.
Carl Landry could be a beast starting in Sacramento and getting 35 min/game.
Chicago has agreed in principle to trade Tyrus Thomas to Charlotte for Flip Murray, Acie Law and a future first round pick, a source tells Yahoo Sports
better Larry Brown than Nate McMillian
happy with Camby
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Feb 18, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rec this sentiment multiple times over.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
poor John
he’s still swimming upstream against the current
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Feb 18, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
exiled to the Bucks
Salmons can’t be a happy camper, but at least he’s not stuck in a can in the cupboard
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
too bad he didnt get traded to the griz, I hear they love salmons
especially with Mayo. Of course they would have to give him the right amount of celery to make it a pallitable deal.
Knicks still desperate to get in on McGrady deal
and Arm Tellum is trying to broker it. Holdup now appears to be Sacto wanting David Lee back in return. It won’t happen, but they should push – NY is the desperate party here. Sacramento can easily take Landry and the capspace and roll into summer. NY has 2 hours to clear the Jeffries contract.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Posting and toasting is pure comedy, I have been hanging out there
This is TERRIBLE news though. If the knicks are desperate enough to trade Lee, their record will plummet. Utah has their first round pick this year. not good not good not good not good…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Lee would have to agree to the deal since he is on the 1 year QO and would lose his Bird rights in the trade.
That ain’t happening, even with some teams having cap space for him in 2010 he would limit his opportunities to find a new good deal/home.
BLOCKBUSTER: Bucks deal Meeks + Elson and 2nd round pick to Sixers for Brezec & Ivey
Bucks are pretty active at the deadline…
i hope tmac goes to LA and plays in the playoffs
knocking them out in the first round would be glorious.
That would be nice for the blazers, depending on who Utah gets back.
I wouldnt mind a boozerless Jazz team should we meet in the playoffs ;)
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
StR is saying its rumored to be a 3 way trade
Utah, Miami, and the Wiz. No players named other than Boozer going to Miami and Beasley not being involved..
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Doesn't T-mac know
that the only reason these teams want him is to dump salary? Know one actually wants the basketball player, not for 20+ million. I don’t see how it matters where he goes since they won’t resign him. What am I missing.
He wants a team that can afford to buy him out so he can sign with a contender the rest of the season.
norsky strikes again
some of the guys at P&T made it sound like he might actually play for them. Shame on me for believing them…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
What is the motivation for the team acquiring him ...
… to buy him out?
Unless he’s willing to settle for a few million off what he is due?
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Reportedly he really wants to play. Either for the Knicks, or if he indeed accepts less than what he is owed for the last 20-odd games to sign with a contender.
I can understand why McGrady would be interested.
I am not clear why the team acquiring him would be. If they have concerns that he will be a disruption, send him home to watch the last 25 – 30 games on tv, like the Rockets did.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
You would think he would have to accept less money if a team put him in that position
But I really don’t know…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
The knicks are one of the few teams desperate enough to acually play him
Plus he might see endorsement oppurtunities if he gets to New York. Even if he is a shell of his former self, he is still a very well known athlete in a huge market…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Final Mcgrady deal is this
Hou gets: Martin, Jeffried, NY 2012, swap 2011 w/ NY
NY gets: Sergio and TMac
Sac gets: Landry, Dorsey, Hughes
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Huh? Is that Stern saying to the league "I want the Wizards and Kings to suck"?
Why does Houston get rewarded here?
yeah, not sure why Sac couldn't get 1 of those picks
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Because they have a smarter front office?
In other words – they worked for it. They aren’t being rewarded.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Sergio gets to play under D'antoni!!
He better prove himself, this might be his last chance!
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
gotta feel good for Chachi, he's now in the best NBA situation for his skillset
Could Rudy also wind up in the big apple (or NJ) in the future? Wouldn’t surprise me
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
wow, and apparently Houston gets Jordan Hill too
wow, this deal is looking better and better for them
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
As long as they carry
Jeffries next year and agree to pay him his trade kicker. That’s the price they pay. Still a very good deal for the Rockets.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Daryl Morey FTW
was there ever any doubt?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
wait a minute
if Walt Frazier comes to call the Rocket’s games, does that mean “Clyde” replaces Clyde?
Blazer fans need Morey to negotiate the Comcast deal.
Yesterday.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Thanks, douglast
But that trade doesn’t work from Sacramento’s end. (I know that it’s not you saying that’s the trade, it’s ESPN/Yahoo, but I’m just saying). However, if Armstrong still leaves Sacramento, the deal does work. We’ll see how it all turns out….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
per twitter
HOU: KMart, Hill, Jeffries, ’12 1st from NY, right to picks in ’11 NY. SAC: Landry, Dorsey, L. Hughes. NY: TMac, S Rod.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Right.
Sac sends out Martin and Rodriguez in that deal ($11.26 million out) and receive $17.54 million in return. They have $1.35 million in cap room and no trade exceptions. I don’t see how it can work.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe, I'd have to look closer
But even in two stages, SAC takes back more than 125% + $100,000. And they don’t have $6.3 million in cap room.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
gotta be Hilton to Houston too
man, I liked this deal for Sacramento last night. Since then they basically gave up Jeffries, McGrady, and Sergio for Larry Hughes. Guess they wanted no part of Jeffries’ 2010-11 contract, but you would have liked to have seen then get the pick from NY
Houston made out MUCH better by adding NY. They basically got the 2012 pick, the swap on the 2011 picks, Hill, Jeffries, and Armstrong all added and all they gave up was Kenny Thomas and Sergio Rodriguez. wow
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Houston basically turned Landry, Hughes, and Dorsey into Martin.
I guess they did the heavy lifting with McGrady, so they got to reap the benefits of the NY portion of the deal.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
and Hill. and a 2012 1st rounder
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
That deal is amazing for Morey
He only has to swallow Jeffries as a kind of poison pill, and live with his conscience that he has enabled the Knicks to sign LeBron.
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yep
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
martin's scoring efficiency just seems anti-morey to me
hill stinks.
but jeffries is a good defender.
to me the draft picks are going to be the biggest coup.
NY will still stink in two years.
why would a max FA go to NY when they could go to Chicago?
Only thing I see is Dantoni would be more fun to play for than Del Negro.
Can anybody name a big time free agent ever signing with the Knicks?
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 18, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Martin is fairly efficient
he shoots a low percentage, but makes up for it with a lot of trips to the foul line
.599 career TS, .510 efg. over 7 FTAs per 36 minutes.
efficiency is a bit down this year, but he has been battling injuries.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Martin is one of the most efficient scorers in the league. He’s down a tad this year, but is still uber-efficient.
#52 #10 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
i know the "stats" show efficiency for martin
but having martin on isos trying to draw fouls or threes does not really work in the adelman system.
it sure isn’t working right now for ariza.
TS % factors in free throws, and martin doesn’t really shoot anything but those very well.
i’m just saying that martin and brooks might get along together worse on the court than martin and evans.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 18, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Rick Adelman coached Martin in Sacramento, and loves him.
Sure, a Brooks/Martin backcourt is probably a pretty poor fit.
#52 #10 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
i know that.
but adelman basing his offense around martin is what got him fired.
adelman needs a big who can pass. not a sg who won’t.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Lets hope you are right
We don’t want the rockets catching us in the standings…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
At their time pretty good:
Vin Baker, Dikembe Mutombo, Kurt Thomas, Clarence Weatherspoon, Allan Houston, Chris Childs, Chris Dudley, Charlie Ward, Anthony Mason, …
man. i can't go through all that to refute
but only houston was really good when he came.
ward was drafted by them.
childs was never good.
dudley was traded by the blazers to the knicks.
vin baker was waived for drunkenness before he signed with the knicks.
weatherspoon was an old timey Maxsapp, those guys are always fools gold.
i was figuring it was going to be norm van brocklin or bill bradley or something signed with them.
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by mittsabishy on Feb 18, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I was just going through the official transactions. All those guys signed as free agents with the Knicks at one point in their career. I was not there to see them all in person.
you are much better at writing about basketball than me
and you know more about the current nba.
you just hit the wheelhouse of my knowledge. i probably watched 80% of the knick’s games from 1989 to 1992.
i watched 90% of the rangers games too.
basic cable can make you watch teams you hate if they give you full access to them.
i am going to stand by my theory that max FAs do not ever want to go to NY because they know how difficult it is there with the media.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to post the same response.
You saved me the time. Thanks.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Don't discount the $1.3 million trade kicker payment to Jared
It sounds like a small amount, but the Kings are already set to lose money this season. Having to pony up that amount this week might leave a bad taste in the Maloofs’ mouths…..
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
yep, maybe that was it.
I don’t hate the deal for Sacramento – they get a nice young PF and a ton of cap space.
All 3 teams got what they wanted really. NY is going all-in on summer 2010. They have to get at least one of the big 3 now.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
But if they don't.....
BOOOOOM!
The media/fans will be all over them….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
what do you think their odds of getting 1 of the big three? 2?
Not much of a supporting cast in place – Galinari, Chandler, Douglas. That’s it. In order to sign both max guys, all their free agents have to be renounced. So, all they can add after that is minimum contracts.
Is Lebron/Bosh/Galinari/Chandler/Douglas and minimum vets enough to contend?
If they only get one max FA, they can use the other 16 million to bring back Lee, and add another mid-level type guy.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Honestly?
20% chance of getting two of the three to agree to come to NY (I think they’ve now cleared enough money to sign two of them)
0% chance of getting one of the three to commit. If they can’t get two of them to commit, they won’t have any chance of getting just one.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
they’ll get a lesser player if the three don’t commit. a Johnson, Boozer, etc.
#52 #10 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
but a lesser player and that roster
isn’t going to take them much of anywhere anytime soon
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
What odds do you put on the Knicks
to be able to get one or two of the big three?
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
hmmm
agree with you on the idea that it’s either two or none.
Odds of that? hmm.
for LBJ – Cleveland has got to be the heavy favorite to keep him.
Wade – wouldn’t NY be his 3rd choice after Miami/Chicago ?
Bosh – he could go to Chicago or sign in Miami with Wade and a better supporting cast.
Only thing NY has going for them in this is the fact that they are New York. Is that enough though? I think your 20% seems about right
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Brooklyn is also NY, technically, and has the better supporting cast. And their 2010 draft pick, i.e. John Wall, Evan Turner, or a good frontcourt partner for Lopez.
exactly!
kind of a Lakers/Clippers scenario in terms of cache, but the Nets could look to change that, and like you said – they have a lot more pieces in place.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Is that move a done deal yet?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
No, the Nets move to Brooklyn.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
err... that should be a question.
Is the Nets move to Brooklyn a done deal?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Dependent on the Russian billionaire actually taking control of the team, very likely. Then they would have raised the necessary loans, and I think the last lawsuits against it are about done.
Adding a star player would only help that process.
there's also
the issues of getting it cleared by the brooklyn city council…they’re having a hard time finding the land to get a stadium put up, and so many residents would end up being displaced (because it’d have to be in an exsisting residential area) that the people who live there are pissed. at least, according to my architect buddy who lives in brooklyn.
0%
the best they will end up with is rudy gay and carlos boozer
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I tend to agree.
I believe all of the teams that are jockeying to have room under their cap this summer are pursuing fools gold. I’d be surprised if even one of the big three end up on another team. I’d probably tag Wade as the most likely, as Chicago has some decent talent and he lives there in the off season. But let’s not forget tax implications. Fla has no state income tax and I’m betting Illinois does.
Bosh might consider Chicago. I can’t see him wanting to play for the Knicks. James I think is ultimately going to side with living in a place he likes, unless he’s convinced that playing in NY would bring him an increase in earnings bordering on an order of magnitude.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Joe Johnson and Boozer?
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
joe johnson already chased money over winning once before
I bet he goes for winning this time.
Whether that means staying with the Hawks, or going wherever Bosh goes, I don’t know. But I think he goes to a winner.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Any team with
LeBron and Bosh would be a contender, but it may take 2 years to get enough support around them to actually get to the finals.
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yeah.
no exceptions in 2010, they could add some FAs in summer 2011, depending on the new CBA provisions. not much coming through the draft though….
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
NY hardly has any picks
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
that was my point
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Yeah, I suppose it was
It’s late or something. Well, not really that late.
I’m sure I’ll come up with some excuse sometime somewhere or something.
Or not.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
It seems like if 2 of those guys do decide to go there...
It would be in their best interest to not take maximum conracts. As nasty of a pairing as LBJ and Bosh would be, they will need at least decent players around them. I don’t see that happening when LBJ can resign for the max in Cleveland, Bosh could go to Miami to play with Wade for the max. It seems like if two of them really did want to pair up some where, New Jersey would be the place to go(if they can afford 2 max’s, I think they are close?) Who knows though, the knicks sure are rolling the dice…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Chicago is now in a pretty good position
37 million in committed salary I think, enough for one max free agent. Add Rose, Deng, Noah and they could use either Wade or Amare/Bosh very well.
Yep
Getting rid of Salmons gives them max-level space. They’ll go hard after Wade, IMO then after Bosh if/when Dwyane turns them down.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
As much as they would love to bring Wade to Chicago
doesn’t Bosh seem like the better fit with their roster?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Maybe
But I can see Reinsdorf drooling over the prospect of a Rose/Wade backcourt. Plus it gives them a PR boost for being able to ‘bring Wade back home’
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe they see Wade as the second coming of MJ
But I agree, douglast, they’ve really need a post scorer for some time now. This seems like their golden opportunity.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Seems like Rose/Bosh would be much more effective than Rose/Wade. Both guys need to dominate the ball, don’t they?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Sure seems like it.
They’re clones. Neither shoots real well. Both depends heavily on reckless drives to the hoop.
Incidentally, I expect James and Bosh to age far better than Wade. Not only is Wade a good bit older, but I feel like Wade is already breaking down a bit. He’s still amazing, no doubt, but won’t Bosh look a lot better in three years?
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
wade has the potential to recreate the recent past
signing a huge contract for the longest time possible, then totally falling apart physically and making every bemoan his past greatness and what an albatross he is around the neck of his current team.
i think wade is Tmac and grant hill part 3.
5 years from now he will be traded for spare parts and cap space to the seattle hornets.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 18, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
That is what I would think
Rose and Wade at least have the potential of getting in each others way, Rose and Bosh doesnt at all…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
I hate NY
I hope they fail in their bid to build a team this way. I think it’s a horrible strategy for the league.
I don’t think their dreams of landing 2 of the big 3 are realistic. Bosh has recently had some quotes about how he thinks he deserves to have a team built around him rather than being a sidekick for James or Wade.
This kind of dovetails with Dave’s article from this morning. Great teams have clear pecking orders. Teams with multiple top-level stars usually have one of two things going for them. Either a) one of the stars is well established on the team when the other is added, or b) one star’s career is on the upswing while the other’s is on the downswing. I’m discounting the case of former stars joining teams in their twilight years. Putting 2 of the big 3 together would require a major ego sacrifice by someone, and I just don’t see that happening. They might be willing to do it for a year or two to win, but will someone like Bosh really sign on to be second fiddle to LBJ for the remainder of his prime? I don’t think so.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
agree on all counts
I hope they strike out. Maybe they will end up with Amare or Boozer as a consolation. I would love that. Those guys are solid players – but neither is going to lead you anywhere.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
My dream scenario:
They sign Amare to a max deal, thus overpaying for him and then, in a desperate move to get some star power, re-sign T-Mac and trade for Gilbert Arenas. It would be the second coming of the Isaiah era, without any of the promising late first-round picks.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
ESPN reports now says
Armstrong goes to Houston.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, maybe that's missing from the reports
adding Hilton to Houston makes it work.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Hilton could also go to NY
He’s essentially expiring….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, it works either way
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Dave, where's the Bassy love?
You point out that Sergio and Outlaw ties in the trades, but what about Sebastion going to Cleaveland? That guy has a chance at a ring.
telfair and west in the same room is a bad idea
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by thomasikehara on Feb 18, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
That backcourt has a lot of firepower
Heyo!
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i already used that one
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/17/1315108/a-woj#30953378
Awesomeness (ô'səm-nes)
1. n. Something that inspires awe
2. n. Nicolas Batum
by thomasikehara on Feb 18, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
but i read his first...
kinda like the airplane , wright bro’s and the french dude yeah?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
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is sergio for sure going to ny?
never saw that confirmed.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Blockbuster just announced!
Philly sends Brezec and Ivey to Milwaukee for Meeks and Elson.
The entire composition of the Eastern Conference has now been shifted signficantly….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
Scooped by Norsk once again
<Stands in corner for a minute, head down in shame>
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I was using your site like I always do for my salary info
and I may have noticed a small typo. I think Johnny Flynn and Rubios salaries are reversed. I could be wrong, but I think Rubio should be making more than Flynn on the T-wolves becasue Rubio was drafted higher. Its obviously insignificant, just thought you might want to check it out because I know you pride yourself on providing a super accurate resource. I might be wrong though, fair warning…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Rubio's number next year
is a cap hold, not an actual salary number. If he signs, he’ll almost assuredly sign for 120% of that amount. But until he does, his cap hold amount is what counts against the cap.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I told you I might be wrong!
I will never again question you. You know your stuff.
Love the site BTW, its my go to resource salary-wise…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Always question me
I make plenty of mistakes and I always want to know if I have. I’m still learning….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I'm questioning your subject line
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
It's like the classic response
to someone telling you, “Never trust anybody.”
“Why should I trust you on that?”
I had fun at university with the existentialists who always claimed it was impossible to know anything with certainty — “How do you know that it’s impossible?”
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
there are no absolutes
except that LeBron and K*be will always get “the call”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Wrong again
Melo shot only one less FT than LeBron last night, and made one more than he did.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Well, maybe don't question me 'always'....
But you get what I’m trying to say
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
There is no KP, only cake.
Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.
TRADE TRADE TRADE TRADE
wait, we did make a move…
#52 #10 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
MIller, Webster, and Bayless for Lebron!
It works financially. Who needs a PG? Start Patty Mills!
I DEMAND Mills and a 2nd round pick for a crafty vet, preferably point guard
DONT LET ME DOWN KP!!!
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
he might still be able to get one of "those" off the waiver wire
or sitting around do nothing as a FA. As long as you don’t expect too much, just an experienced PG to help restore order in games where Rex/Rudy have lost their collective mind (especially if Roy misses more time with his hammy)
only 14 guaranteed contracts = flexibility. Patty is here until the end of the season
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Sergio + D'Antoni
That should be fun to watch.
2010-11 dream lineup: Oden/LMA/Batum/Roy/Dre; Okafor/Freeland/Cunningham/Webster/JB/Pendy/Mills.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 18, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions
if not
then Sergio will be out of the league, so I hope it works out.
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Sergio's last hoorah
I wish he had more than a 1/3 of a season, and maybe a player or two to play with not named Lee, but nonetheless it is make or break time for the Sergio.
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
as I said last night
NY, NY – If he can’t make it there, he can’t make it anywhere.
It’s up to him.
(apologies to any fans of ol’ Blue Eyes)
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Sadly
I see him playing in Europe in a year…..
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
One trade left that hasn't happened
Hinrich…
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
doesn't look likely
hearing no chatter about it at all
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Yeah
But with Salmons leaving for junk (expiring contracts), I think they’ll hang onto Hinrich now.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
He seemed to be such a fan favorite
2-3 years ago. Now he’s a real scapegoat for them….
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I still think they want as much cap space as NY
So Hinrich would have to go
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
They'd have to dump both Hinrich and Deng
to be able to get the same amount of space as NY.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Feb 18, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Deng, forgot about him
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Good for him
I’m sure the “sign and trade chatter” for Cap’n Kirk will heat up again, in June
but I’d prefer targeting Harris, depending on the lottery draft-order results
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Knicks didn't get much pick protection
the 2011 swap is only top-1 protected. The 2012 pick is top 5 protected. If NY strikes out this summer, Houston could end up with two VERY good draft picks.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
One of those picks should have gone to SAC
you would think Sac would have been able to get that…
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
No good contracts to move anymore… Darius $9 million would have looked mighty good in some of those discussions.
yep
in retrospect, waiving him was a mistake. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, and but for technical-allowed shenanigans, he was legitimately removed from our books.
but having his contract right now could have been useful. What could we have gotten with that DMEC, blake, and outlaw? hard to see us wanting most of the big names that were moved around, but maybe someone who didn’t move could have been plucked away.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Did you see what Houston got for 22 million in expiring?
We could’ve got quite the prize for 17 million. At least 2/3rds of what Houston did (Martin, Hill, 1st Round Picks).
Depends on who was selling at that point
Same deals may not have been available — there was a lot more action this year than last.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wait, I got the type of trade I was looking for, I am happy. Well done KP. Now if we could just get Roy healthy….
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
if Roy is healthy, we’re golden to make the playoffs. If Utah moves Boozer and Brandon is healthy,we have a good shot to surpass Phoenix, OKC, and Utah.
Don’t feed me the OKC stuff. If we add Brandon Roy and Marcus Camby to a .500 team, we will be very good the rest of the season.
#52 #10 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I am not buying the OKC stuff either
I looked at their last 15 games, if I remember right, 9 are against playoff bound teams, and that doesnt count a game against Memphis and one against Houston. If we keep it somewhat close to them while Roy is down, we should be able to easily run them down those last 15 games with Roy playing. I am also still waiting for their lack of good big men to catch up with them…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
I doubt teams exploit them in the regular season.
#52 #10 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
So far, they've played well against good teams
But if Roy is healthy, I like our chances of catching them. I’m almost certain they are a playoff team, though, they would really have to choke to miss out now.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Indiana-Charlotte discussions broad, sources say: Talks included Ford and Rush for Augustine, Nazr and Gerald Henderson. Not yet imminent.
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Bobcats putting together a very athletic team
"Get three superstars and then fill the roster with guys willing to go through a wall to win." - KP
Brewer to Memphis for a draft pick
also, there was a late flurry of activity on Boozer to Miami for Richardson/Haslem, but doesn’t appear to have gotten done.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I like that it definitely hurts Utah.
#52 #10 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
They need cap relief
This is a symptom of KP raising the price for Milsap last year. The Jazz can’t afford to pay the luxury tax and need to shed as salary.
Utah is still a tax paying team
but they are closer to the tax line, so their ‘loss’ is less after this Brewer deal.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
Yup
Every dollar they shed in payroll is two dollars less they have to pay (accounting for the luxury tax).
yup
that toxic offer finally caught up to ’em
Boozer remains, but he’s a short-timer as well
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah, losing Brewer won't help them
He’s been a key part of the rotation.
Not Portland’s fault, they were trying to low-ball a good player, and didn’t get away with it. It’s primarily a consequence of A) paying Boozer and (especially) AK too much and B) not being willing to pull the trigger on a trade of Boozer.
Maybe the wheels come off, but I don’t see this having enough of an impact for us to catch them, unless we go on a real hot streak.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
the wheels never come off in Utah
they stay on the axles because they’re afraid of Jerry
not being willing to pull the trigger on a trade of Boozer.
We talked about the angst if Travis had walked away for nothing…talk about your epic fail if the Jazz get nothing but capspace (or in this case, luxury tax relief) by watching the door hit CB’s backside on his way out of SLC
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Boozer could have walked last summer
They were kind of stuck with him this year. Even though they could have traded him for assets, they’re paying way too much for payroll as it is. They are a team that needs cap relief and nobody they trade for is going to put butts in the seats like Boozer will.
I was talking about next July
CB has an expiring contract, unless the Jazz do a sign and trade they’ll get squat when he signs with Miami (or whoever) this summer. Then Millsap will be their starting PF
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Boozer remaining is part of the problem
They were hoping he would opt out. It kind of screwed them when he opted in.
via yahoo
Wiz will still buyout Ilgauskas, source says, but they’ve created lot of leverage by getting under tax. He’ll have to pay for his freedom.
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so basically the cavs got antwan jamison for nothing and will lose no one......
glad i’m not a fan of the lakers.
S' good to be King (James)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
So I know what I'll be doing this weekend
A major update of my projection of 2010 cap room teams is in order…..
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
shoot me an email if I can provide any assistance
still working on that other thing – I know, it’s taking a long time…
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Thanks
I will shoot you an email at some point this weekend.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
ha ha ha ha ha
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
OK, here's the NY situation
In order to offer two of the big three (James, Wade, Bosh) maximum deals, the Knicks would need to have $33.04 in cap room.
Looking at where the Knicks are after the trade deadline deals, the new salary cap would have to be at least $54.61 million to let them have that much cap room (this year’s cap is $57.7 million).
For reference, in that memo last year that the league sent to teams telling them to expect a lower cap figure in 2010-11, the high estimated figure listed was $53.5 million. If the cap turns out to be that figure, NY will NOT have enough cap room to offer max deals to two of the big three. Close, but not quite enough.
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