Quick: Roy Wants to Play
Jason Quick of The Oregonian reports...
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Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy said he will try to play Friday against Boston despite his sore right hamstring.
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Click through above for the full story from practice this morning.
Roy's current plan represents a 180 degree shift from statements he made last night.
Even if you chalk up the magnitude of Roy's statements last night to frustration at not being able to play or pain/anger at the team's trading of Travis Outlaw, there are some serious questions to ask here.
Roy very clearly understands the limitations that his hamstring injury places on his ability to move freely and play. He has stated very clearly that he feels as if he is always one play away from re-aggravating the injury again and costing himself another month. He has said that he cannot play on his hamstring for extended periods of time or for multiple days in a row because it will tighten up. He has concluded that nothing but time will help him feel better.
So how does he reach the conclusion that practicing tomorrow and playing Friday is advisable? How or why is that decision being co-signed by anyone?
This is a prototypical risk/reward situation. The risks far, far outweigh the potential rewards. The coaching staff watched the tape from last night and saw him dragging his leg around for the first two quarters, right?
Here's more on Roy's statements this morning from Brian T. Smith.
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wth?
He need to stop, the coaching staff, his wife, friggin KP, Steve Blake, whoever is in charge needs to step up and tell him that he needs to heal. With Camby we have a good shot at getting to the playoffs, with a healthy brandon in the playoffs we have a good shot of making it at least to the second round, (depending on matchup).
It’s great he is committed and all, but no…stop…heal…ftlg
#52. Get well soon.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 17, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Been checking out info on the internets
Conclusions:
- Hamstring strains are tears in the muscle.
- They are classified into 3 categories by severity.
- Even the least severe (1) can prevent an athlete from competing.
- Most hamstring sprains will heal over time without surgery if properly treated.
- Therapy includes maintaining flexibility, range of motion and strength, but not a return to the activity that resulted in the injury before healing is complete.
- If an athlete does return too soon to competition, re-injury is common.
- A sprain can become more severe if the original activity commences too soon.
- A severe sprain can be career-ending.
#52
Strange is a good word for it,
I am giving Brandon the benefit of the doubt here, but wonder the same. Were Roys comments last night a reflection of Travis being traded, and now being forced to co-exist with Andre now that Stevies gone ??
I would hate for Brandon to make any injury worse, but at some point this team needs to man up, and play through a little pain. Brandon has to lead by example, that’s why he makes the big $.
Til the wheels fall off.... Marcus Camby
Go Blazers !!
He has played through pain in the past
I’m not going to question his willingness to put it out on the court.
A hamstring isn’t like a sparined ankle, it can take months to heal. I think he believes that he either needs to rest it completely and potentially be around in the playoffs, or he thinks we’re not getting to the playoffs unless he plays.
I’m imagining that he will probably be just a spot up shooter until he’s healthy — kind of like Blake.
Like Blake,
how ironic is that? Hopefully he doesn’t get the full Blake hate from Blazer fans.
I wonder who gets thrown under the buss now with Blake and Outlaw gone ??
Til the wheels fall off.... Marcus Camby
Go Blazers !!
Ugh
I’m getting more and more frustrated with the training staff and with Nate this season. Roy shouldn’t be pushing it. He probably needs a couple more weeks off so that we have him ready to go at the end of the regular season and playoffs.
Instead, he’s pushing himself and he’s risking tearing that hammy. My guess is that he’s testing it to see if he needs to shut it down completely until the playoffs. And that’ll be what happens. Let’s just hope he doesn’t do so much damage that he’s out for the playoffs.
I'm a bit of a worrywort when it comes to things like this.
I could understand Roy wanting to come back for the game Friday if it was a playoff game. But for a regular season game, three days after he experience pain that was sufficient to pull him out of the rest of the game, playing seems foolhardy at best, just plain stupid at worst.
Roy obviously knows his own body better than any trainer or any one of us. But what makes this time different from the previous two attempts to come back and play that failed? He’s making the same statements that he did before the other games he played in and didn’t finish.
Also, I hate to harp on this again cause a lot of Blazer fans hate the sentiment, but this season is pretty much a wash at this point. There will be NO titles won by Portland this year. If they make the playoffs, it should be considered a success. No one likes the idea of actually trying to lose. But there’s something to be said about being overly-cautious when you’re talking about the most important player Portland has had in over 15 years.
I’m not saying don’t try to win anymore. I’m just saying try to win without risking future seasons when a title could be possible. I’d gladly take a 32-50 record this season if it meant Roy being 100% for next season. And that’s not even really on the table.
The Blazers need to save Brandon from himself.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
If it meant Roy would for sure be healthy for next season?
Abso-frickin’-lutely.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
The thing is
it doesn’t. It’s not for sure. So why throw away this season and everything the Blazers have worked for, for a “maybe” chance that he’ll be healthy next season? Seasons are more valuable than that.
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
A hamstring strain would 100 percent be completely healed by next season
If it wasn’t, then all the doctors we went to misdiagnosed him.
[insert witty nomenclature and/or out of context quote from someone that makes more money than I]
by HallelujahHoeDown on Feb 17, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
It would be even if he plays through the rest of the year
He’s got the whole summer to rest.
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
he rested all of last summer
but the hamstring only made it halfway through this season
the Blazers may have to make some serious choices about Roy’s PT and usage, in the future
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
No, Roy said he didn't play much hoops last summer
Not quite the same thing as saying “he rested all of last summer.”
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
OK
he stopped doing the activity that had caused his hamstring to tighten up
good enough?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Not necessarily
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
These are the same doctors that cleared Batum's shoulder
for foreign play, which cost the Blazers his services for nearly 3 months of this season. I have got to question or physician and possibly even our training staff.
injuries happen in the NBA, but, given Portland’s situation this season you have to seriously look at how these staff’s are functioning and make sure they are no the problem.
Questions need to be asked ranging from are we overconditioning and under strengthening or vice versa, are we misdiagnosing, or ceing too cautious with treatment plans?
The team needs to seriously review these types of questions…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
The one thing that I really like about KP pulling off that trade
It felt like he took control of the team back a little bit, and put aside the feel good, everything is hunky dorey atmosphere around the team. Roy didnt want a trade, and he certainly didnt want Outlaw involved in one, KP did it anyway because it benefitted the team. I think it should send a message to every single person in the organization that even though KP might love you as a person, if you arent getting it done, and there is a better option out there, he won’t hesitate to make a change. I am feeling like I am on the hot seat if I am Jenson and company…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
I did
and they gave me ice cream…
#52. Get well soon.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 17, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
How valuable is a season where you have no shot to win a title?
What’s so valuable about a 1st round and out season? Just cause the Blazers hadn’t gone to the playoffs much since before last season, doesn’t mean that any playoff success should be held in that high of regard.
How much do you remember about those teams in the 90’s where the team would get blown away in round one? Are those seasons that valuable now?
His current strain would 100% be healed by next season. Does that mean he won’t get some other type of injury? No, it’s obviously not guaranteed. But why risk it when there’s no reward?
Yes! Yes! In the face!
The Blazers do have a shot at winning the title
Any team in the playoffs does. And yes, 1st round and out is preferable to not making the playoffs at all.
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
I suppose it's not a mathematical certainty that the Blazers can't win a title.
But you could say the same thing about Charlotte or Chicago, both teams that currently are in playoff positions. Do you really, honestly think, either of those teams are at all likely win the title this season?
Portland, without Roy, is better than those two teams. With him, it’s not even close. Even still, there are too many holes in this team to win a title this season. Kevin Pritchard himself said it’s extremely unlikely Portland will win this season.
I’d prefer to make the playoffs too, and I think Portland will even if Roy doesn’t play again this season. So if you agree with that, why play Roy at all? Do you think the Blazers have a realistic chance to win a championship this year if Roy plays and is healthy?
I guess it’s just a difference in philosophy, but I’m simply not willing to risk future seasons when a title will be a realistic goal just to maximize how far they go this year before being knocked out.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
No one realistically expected us to win our first title either
Certainly there are going to be favorites to win the championship, but it’s not always a foregone conclusion.
How much is that small percentage worth to you?
Is it worth Roy potentially being hurt further?
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Doesn't really matter, does it?
Either Roy doesn’t play, in which case he doesn’t play, and we probably miss the playoffs, or get killed in the first round. He spends the summer rehabbing.
or
Roy does play, gets re-injured, doesn’t play the rest of the season, probably miss the playoffs, or get killed in the first round. He spends the summer rehabbing.
or
Roy does play, doesn’t get re-injured, we make the playoffs and go deep. He spends the summer rehabbing.
At some point, you take the bubble-wrap off the players and let them play. As long as our team is built around an oft-injured Oden, Euros that play all summer (and suffer the injuries that go with it), and Roy, whose playing style has led to what could be called an injury-prone career that will probably not last very far into his 30’s. If you constantly worry about keeping the powder dry and aren’t ever willing to strike a match, your reasons for saving the powder in the first place will eventually fade.
Depending on the injury...
…that third scenario could be much, much worse. With proper care, Roy could easily play well into his 30’s. I understand people’s impatience with injuries based on how this season has gone, but that’s no reason to throw caution to the wind and hope that no one gets hurt worse.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I've never heard of a career-ending hamstring injury
I’m sure they must exist, but I’ve never heard of any athletic career that was permanently derailed due to hamstring issues.
I’m not suggesting we (he) throw caution to the wind, but there is a point where you have to find out what’s up. Either he’s not being honest/accurate about giving it rest over the last month, or his hammy will be fine, although painful in the short term, or there’s something more serious than a hamstring strain going on that needs to be addressed. It could be that the discomfort he is feeling is just part of using a muscle he hasn’t been using for a month.
Also, I think all the criticism about the training staff is off-base. Do you think these guys don’t consult specialists for just about every injury? Who was giving Roy the plasma injection treatments? Certainly not Jay Jensen. For any course of action related to the health of the players, you have to imagine that there is a consensus opinion from a group of doctors not on the team’s payroll. These are multi-million dollar investments in addition to being athletes. Just because it’s not in the news doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
by superfly05 on Feb 17, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Each shuttle disaster was avoidable
and the launches were managed, monitored and implemented by consummate professionals whose collective decision making was found faulty due to organizational culture and other factors not related strictly to failure of expertise.
The fact that it is expensive and that highly skilled professionals are involved does not mean they are not subject to the same human flaws/foibles that can arise in any collective enterprise, whether it be launching a shuttle into to space or making decisions regarding the health status, treatment plan and subsequent performance capabilities of star athletes.
The recurring injury problems, the nature of Nic, Rudy and even Greg’s injuries (Nic and the physicians knew about that fracture in his shoulder since last March, Rudy’s back problem was persistent since the Ariza play and Greg chipped that kneecap last season) lead me to believe that a review of Blazer medical and training staff ought to at least be reviewed.
It may be found that the proper course has been taken with all these players, I am not expert enough to know otherwise myself, but the matter should be looked into. Best practices from other teams should be reviewed and compared to the Blazer practices and if there are problems or even just things the organization can improve, then they know and can take action. If no action is necessary, great, but do the review. Human beings of any caliber are not infallible.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Feb 17, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Too much common sense, here
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
I see your point
But from everything I have heard, if Roy were to reinjure his hammy, it wouldnt be the type of injury that would linger for 6 months and into next season. If that was a possibility, I would agree with you 100%, it would be stupid to risk that. I have heard/read that isnt the case, and I think the training staff and blazers brass allowing him to play is probably a good signal that reinjuring it wouldnt be any sort of long term threat to Roy…
How is it is for us to sit here and say “hey brandon, I know your hamstring hurts, but just go out there and risk hurting it worse. Stop being such a wuss!!!”. If he wants to play, that is one thing, but I wouldnt be forcing him out there. I still think you sit him for a couple more weeks, and then allow him to play through the pain if he wants to…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Very much so
I hate the whole we arent going to win it all, so who cares argument. That is the like a crappy team saying we arent going to get into the playoffs, so lets just tank it for a better lottery pick. It isnt just playing in a seven game series that is invaluable experience to a young team with championship aspirations, it is also the last 15 games leading up to the playoffs where the race for positioning begins. Our late season games against western conference playoff teams are all going to have a playoff like gamestyle. They are going to be coming at us hard and it is crucial that the blazers come right back at them. Don’t risk Roy, obviously, but in no way should this team accept anything less than a playoff berth, with or without roy..
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
by Rudiculous on Feb 17, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Deep in the Post season
I believe that should be the goal right now. Last year the goal was just the playoffs and that was all fine and dandy then but were past that. I feel like without Roy we can win a series but with him we could possibly go deeper, and thats why we need him. I also agree with hating people that give up in the middle of the season. I’m not watching this team so they can shut it down and think “Next year is going to be better”.
by Michael Baller on Feb 17, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Developing a no excuses mentality throughout the organization is crucial
This injury is just a chance for some of our young guys to grow up faster. How huge would it be for this team to reflect back on this season during the summer and think, we lost Greg, we lost Joel, we traded Blake and played without Outlaw, we missed Batum, Roy and Rudy for significant portions of the season, and we still made the playoffs and gutted it out to a game 7 against a clearly better team. Thats the kind of thing that can come out of this season that could actually open up the chamionship window sooner than expected. Exprience and confidence is the only thing this team lacks, the adversity the blazers are going through this season should bolster both greatly if they can continue to overachieve…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
by Rudiculous on Feb 17, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
get real
without roy we get blown out by LA or Den.
that is obviously the likely outcome
but like they say, thats why you play the games. I doubt anybody gave the Warriors much of a chance against the mavs a few years ago…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
You never know
Carmelo or Kobe could go down in the first round as well, and then all of a sudden the playing field is pretty level. In fact, I’d take the Blazers without Roy over the Nuggets without Carmelo and the Lakers without Kobe. I’d take the Blazers over Dallas without Dirk as well.
I would not count on injuries in the playoffs saving us
Brandon should sit for 4 weeks — no matter how it feels — and hope that we are in a position to play for playoff spot when he comes back.
Sorry, but playing him is stupid on so many levels.
1 – He keeps playing and it will never heal, it can only get worse
2 – He keeps playing hurt, and he takes playing time away from someone who is healthy
3 – This is becoming a chronic injury — this season and last season — continuing to keep it inflamed is not a good idea for Brandon’s long term prognosis
4 – We probably will not need him to make the playoffs, but we will need him in the playoffs — see #1 about
Play to win, always
when you start doing otehrwise wou develop the bad habits that come with losing.
Anyone who watches survivor knows, the first time you intentionally lose a competition, your tribe is likely going to lose the whole shootin match…
Winning is by and large a habit when you are talking about the difference between relatively equally talented teams.
The Patriots never had all of the best athletes, and yet won consistently. It was the work ethic and winning habits that kept them on top for that run. This lesson applies across life. When you play to lose, you learn to lose.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
rec'd...
You don’t have a chance if you don’t play the game…
Throwing in the towel never won a championship nor does it give us the invaluable experience of playoff basketball and the games leading into them. We have to remember that outside of Miller, Howard, and Camby none of these guys have more than one 6-game series under their belt. Anything is better than nothing!
We'll miss you #2 & #25!
At least we know the organization is not thinking that way
the Camby pick up demonstrates that. I marvel at Pritchard. I was a stand pat on a trade guy. Who could we get, for the available players that would improve our chances without dipping deeply into the core of the team? Come on blake has not had his best year and Trout had not played since November. With our injury situation in general I did not see where we could get a full value trade or one that did not take advantage of our obvious need given the injury situation.
Bam, trade for Camby for two guys that I hate to see go, but looking at the situation we are in makes abolute perfect sense.
Pryz has a player option this summer, he may decide to exercise it to opt for a starting role somewhere else, so now we have Camby around to resgn. Greg may not progress well enough in rehab, we can resign Camby. It really is a good move.
imagine an Oden/Camby rotation at center for a season or two? WOW
Pritchard pulled a potentially WOW trade out of an incredibly weak position. The man is a genius…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
What's so valuable about a 1st round and out season?
The playoffs are a completely different game from the regular season. Even four playoff games for LMA, Batum, Rudy, Bayless and Co. is extremely valuable experience. We saw how poorly some of the players performed last year in their first playoff games, which I attribute to inexperience.
It’s akin to asking what’s the difference between a player’s rookie and second year.
Don't forget about the cash/attention the team gets from the extra games and merchandise
All kinds of fringe benefits.
Again, I'm not saying tank completely and TRY to lose.
The Blazers can make the playoffs without Roy. I truly believe that. I’m not for losing games on purpose.
However, I’m also not for risking the franchise player. I’d rather not make the playoffs than potentially lose Roy if that’s what it comes down to. I still feel like you can do both. Make the playoffs and not play Roy. And if they don’t make them for some reason, then at least we know Roy’s health has been the main focus as it should be. What’s the harm in that?
Yes! Yes! In the face!
i didnt mean 'would you really accept 32 wins
i meant do u really think we would lose the rest of our games. although you were obviously exaggerating to make a point
Hahaha, ok, missed it that first time.
Nah, the Blazers have actually done pretty well considering the injuries. Their record without Roy isn’t as good, though. My guess is if he shut it down for the year, the Blazers will probably end up with around 45 wins. Maybe that’s a little optimistic, but I think it’s attainable.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
the way i see it
we have the fewest games and a relatively easy schedule. add that and the addition of Camby and we can make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed.
Especially since the only teams chasing us are new orleans (horrible w/o chris paul), memphis (their feel good run is over), and houston (biggest threat of the 3), still 3 games behind us. I have faith in Roy returning to form though and us getting a 4th spot. This is the unpredictable, surprise around every corner Blazers we’re talking about.
I wouldn't count out Memphis just yet, but I too like Portland's chances.
Getting that 8 seed should be doable regardless. The Camby trade will hopefully solve a few of the interior defense and rebounding issues. That alone should put Portland over the top.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
True
without roy our record is not as strong, but we did just run through the toughest stretch of games I can remember in a long time. 10 of 11 consecutive games against playoff teams from the year prior? the 11th against a team making a serious playoff run themselves this season. there were no down games in that stretch.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
it's been a heck of a stretch no doubt.
And I think even if Roy doesn’t play the rest of the season that the Blazers can, and probably should, still make the playoffs. This team is deep even with the injuries and they should be able to rely on that depth to push them to a better record than most teams would have if they didn’t have their star player.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
With you up to 32-50
Fortunately, that record isn’t possible.
But I think this team makes the playoffs with or without Roy now, barring more injuries. Sit him another month and see how he is at that time, rather than doing this now. Between Martell, Rudy, Nic, Andre, LA—there’s plenty of scoring to be done. I know Roy brings a lot more to the game than that, and we’ve certainly missed him lately, but with the improved D that we’re about to see, I think we make it in as 7 or 8 without Roy from here to the end of the season. We get him back in the playoffs, maybe, and who’s to say we don’t give Denver or LA a decent run?
Well, it's POSSIBLE, just not at all likely. :)
I was just making a point that I don’t care if they lose out so long as Brandon doesn’t hurt himself more severely. I think they very well could make the playoffs without Roy playing.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I'm for playing him
I almost guarantee I’m going to be the only one saying this, but here goes:
The thing that nobody seems to realize is that the time is now. The NBA isn’t a place where you can write off seasons, not if you want to contend. And individually, for Roy, those lost seasons can never be regained. If you can, you should play through injuries, not be overly cautious. Nothing’s guaranteed even if he does wait it out.
I think if he’s able to play he should play. It’s okay if he goes 80%. An 80% Roy is better than a 100% Bayless or Rudy.
“But…but…he might re-injure it!” Yeah, and he could wait a month and reinjure it too. He said rest wasn’t helping. Play through it and let the summer heal him.
The time is NOW.
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
by jamon51 on Feb 17, 2010 12:26 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Well if we play him
it certainly won’t be tomorrow.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Tell that to Grant Hill
Ask him how many seasons he lost because he came back early after first hurting his ankle and re-injured it badly and never recovered because fans thought he was being selfish with free agency coming up.
#52
It depends on the injury
If there’s a specific timetable then you sit them down. But if it’s a persistent nagging injury and you’re at the tail end of a season…play him, and if he misses part of the beginning of next season so be it. I’d rather have him playing at the end of this season and next season rather than just next season.
" It was as if the Suns hatched a fiendish plot to ruin John Wayne's movie career by casting him as a cowboy." - Dave 2/10/2010
ARe you aware
that playing him can make it much worse?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
I am in the middle
I agree with you about not writing off the season, but I sit him for 2-3 weeks and then see how he feels. He clearly isnt ready right now, and maybe a couple more weeks of rest will at least mitigate the chances of him re-injuring it. The road trip coming up has a several winnable games, but 4 of the 5 games are back to backs, that is going to be really tough on Roy. I sit him through that trip and see where he is at when he team gets back to portland…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
He's sat for over a month and it's not better
Sitting him for a short stretch has not worked to make it better thus far so what will 2-3 more weeks do? We’ve been playing the rest for a few days and see how it feels game for a while now.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
Just because the rest hasnt yet healed it...
Doesnt mean resting him for a couple more weeks wont work. I am not sure how else you would suggest healing this injury…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
I hate to keep reposting this...
but if initial rest doesn’t cure it, than it most likely won’t at all. From what I’ve been able to read on hamstring injuries they don’t heal on their own, treatment is required, which can vary a lot depending on the root cause…which has to be properly diagnosed. Either way rest by itself doesn’t seem to be the answer.
Could you explain different ‘root’ causes?
I understand the possibility of a stress fracture. But are there other causes?
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
I won't paste it all here...
…but here is a link to a pretty in depth discussion of two seemingly similar and yet different “hamstring” injuries
by Billy Hoyle on Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks!
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
No problem
I ended up in a couple of different threads but here is another link to a runner’s forum discussing chronic hamstring strain. Most of the posters describe it never ever going away no matter what they do, which freaked me out, but If you scroll down and find Doug C he talks about some advanced treatment methods that may even cure the worst cases. Just trying to piece it all together myself…I’m certainly not an expert
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=120099&page=0
by Billy Hoyle on Feb 17, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good job Billy...
…i find valued info in user forums…no sarcasm here…i really do check user forums before buying and for trouble shooting problems.
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
sounds painful
the only treatment that works is a physiotherapeutic maneuver known as cross fibre frictions. A better term would be ‘crucifixions’ because nothing, not even the runner’s toughest ever race is as painful as cross fibre frictions applied to a chronic muscle tear. Therein lies the key to the treatment of these injuries.
A chronic muscle tear will only get better if (a) the cross fibre frictions are applied to the injury site, in this case the tender knot in the muscle, and (b) they are applied sufficiently vigorously. If the cross fibre friction treatment does not reduce the athlete to tears, either the diagnosis is wrong or the physiotherapist is being too kind. “This is the one treatment for which you must have a physiotherapist who has big hands, the forearms of a gorilla, and unbridled sadism.”
I wonder if the Blazer’s med staff (or any of the doctors he’s consulted with) have suggested this therapy to Roy?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
More insight via David Thorpe
This may not be the best place for me to post this, but it’s another piece of the puzzle, David Thorpe talking about Kevin Martin’s ankle injury last year:
in Kevin’s case, I feel like there were some really flukey things that happened. The ankle injury last year, it was not treated correctly. It should not have been a long-term thing. But because it ended up being a long-term thing, because of some mistakes they made in trying to figure out how to treat it, that only compounded the problem this year.
Just adds some evidence that not all therapy is diagnosed and/or treated correctly. I’m not even saying that’s the case with Roy…for all we know they could be handling it perfectly, but you have to at least wonder…
What--you mean physical therapists aren't Gods? That they're fallible human beings?
Heresy, plain & simple.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Lol
I’m not out to make them look bad, I’m just saying there’s a chance they aren’t assessing the situation correctly, and that BRoy could be suffering unnecessarily as a result.
I just remember the Shaq situation where Miami would ice and stim his sore back over and over to no avail. When Shaq went to Phoenix, their trainers re-diagnosed him and found a muscle imbalance in his posterior chain that was the ultimate cause of the back pain. It doesn’t mean Miami’s trainers were bad, just that they could have been better in this case. That’s how I feel this situation may be with our trainers and some of the recurring injuries we are seeing. But again, I’m no expert, just postulating, really :)
rest last summer
Didn’t really heal last years hamstring injury
B-Roy said he didn’t do much all summer and then he injuries the same hammy at pretty much the same point of this season
Play with what he’s got as long as he can, that’s the besat chance to get to the playoffs
"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks
by DucRider on Feb 17, 2010 4:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Roy said he didn't play much hoops last summer
Not the same thing as saying he “didn’t do much.” Also, two weeks of rest followed by vigorous exercise that causes the injury to flare up, followed by two more weeks of rest…that’s not a formula for healing. I seriously doubt that Roy ever gave the injury the time it would need to actually heal.
It’s HARD for an athlete to be inactive for that long. But I strongly suspect that’s what it’s going to take for Roy to finally put this injury behind him: a LONG period of inactivity.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
he rode his bike and swam, but stayed off the BB court
could that cardio work have kept the hammy from healing properly? Perhaps. But the runner quoted above (Billy Hoyle’s link) said that even after “years” of resting the previously-torn muscle will tighten up again when vigorous activity is resumed
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Having two hamstring injuries in the past
i can only say what worked for me…and that was; no wt. on the hammy. I mean it was constant “aqua therapy”. The idea behind this is to use the buoyancy of water to kept pressure and wt. off the injury and still allow the hammy to exercise and help prevent the forming of scar tissue.
Not sure what Roy’s issues are, but I can tell you the second time around using this water therapy method, I never had any further problems.
I will say this; this type of therapy was to consist of a very regimented program. In other words it was 4 daily sessions of 1.5hrs each and not to miss any days what-so-ever. You were not to do any additional workouts that involved putting (jumping or running) wt. on the leg. It was 2.5 weeks of aqua therapy, before I did other things. The Dr.. told me it was essential to exercise the hammy, in this type of progression, in order to keep scare tissue from developing and thus increase the potential for tear or re-injury… In other words rest alone was normally a reciepe for failure
Informative post
I’m quite sure that while Roy tried to give the hammy some rest, he didn’t follow a disciplined program like this. He probably assumed that if he cut out the hoops—or cut way back—and focused on lower impact exercise, all would be well.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Your position is not unreasonable.
I actually feel pretty much the same way about Oden, perhaps more so.
“Get while the gettin’ is good” has some truth, especially where “injury prone” and lockout are possibilities.
But, ultimately, we aren’t inside another guy’s body, and don’t really know just how bad it is or is not.
Hopefully the player/coach/trainer understand our arguments and can make a good decision. Of course, we may not agree with their decision, but no one is infallible. On the other, continuous bad decisions deserve scrutiny.
But, yeah, all this waitin’ is getting real old.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Maybe Roy just realised he sounded like a baby last night. Just kidding. No, he kind of did. Just kidding. He shouldn’t play. Just kidding. He should play 12 minutes. Just kidding. I don’t trust his comments from today at all. Just kidding. Or last night. Just kidding. I miss Blake. Just kidding. I don’t know what we’re gonna do without Trav. Just kidding. Camby=Savior. Just kidding.
Unfortunately
“Letting it heal” realistically means shutting it down for the season. If there was ever a season to shut it down, it might as well be this one. I personally have a hard time believing that Roy has in fact completely rested it.
I used to run the 110 high hurdles, and am very familiar with tight hammys. I’d be willing to bet that your average NBA player, even with trainers in their ear, does not do the proper amount of stretching in relation to other types of training. Roy ought to skip any exercise-related work and do some yoga.
The training staff needs to go.
All of them.
How many recurring injuries do the people in charge need to see???
by Free Bayless on Feb 17, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
/facepalm
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
pulls don't improve with work,
pulls improve with rest.
If he keeps playing with it when sore then he is making a decision to play with it sore for the rest of the year.
Playing with it sore the rest of the year means he can severely re-injure it at any time and then he will be gone for the rest of the year.
Sit down Brandon. KP needs to make him sit if Nate won’t.
I have always discounted the critics harping on the Blazer’s training and medical team, but I now have serious doubts.
You don’t ‘play thru’ a hammy, it won’t heal.
He needs to just STOP for 30 days and hope for a chance to play hard at year end and in the playoffs.
Yeah, this is bizarre
The most stunning thing of all for me is that, according to Nate himself, it was McMillen who “nudged” Roy into playing last night (for the sake of his conditioning, supposedly). I’d been angry at Nate and the training staff for not protecting Roy from himself and sitting him down. To think they’re actually ENCOURAGING him to play at this point amazes me.
Maybe I’m wrong. But from everything I’ve ever heard or experienced, if you want to recover from a muscle pull, you have to just plain rest it. A LOT. If two weeks’ rest doesn’t cut it, you don’t stubbornly ignore the discomfort and play anyway. You shut it down for four or six weeks instead.
This just gets weirder and weirder to me.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Agreed
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
This is crazy, I know
But Nate admitting that he was the one that pushed Roy is strange to me. To me, there are two different reasons he would do this: 1)He is selfish and wants to win games even if it risks Roy reinjuring his hamstring. 2) He was lead to believe by either Roy or the trainers that Roy was in fact healthy enough to play, and was sulking a little about something(likely the trade)
I hope neither is true, but I find the first scenario hard to believe, and the 2nd to be quite the conspiracy theory. I just don’t see how or why Nate would ever want Roy to play if he wasnt ready and could reinjure it. Then I start to wonder if Roy was able to play, why wouldnt he want to? I doubt either is true, which makes me wonder what is really going on behind closed doors…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Nate said that he "nudged" Roy out of concern for his level of conditioning
Logically, Nate may have feared that if Roy rested long enough for the hamstring to fully heal, he’d be too out of shape to be effective again this season. Reasonable enough, but to have Roy play on the hamstring when he’s obviously still gimpy just seems nuts. Better a rusty, out-of-shape Roy than an injured one.
My hunch: Nate is in denial. It killed him to have Roy sit two weeks and watch the team lose to teams like the Thunder. His emotion simply has gotten the best of his logic. I can’t believe that cooler heads (e.g., KP’s?) haven’t prevailed and insisted that Roy sit until his hamstring at least feels normal during everyday activities (like getting up in the morning).
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
I really hope it wasnt because of conditioning
He can do a lot of other less dangerous workouts to keep his conditioning up. Sure, nothing simulates game speed, but to greatly increase the risk of reinjuring Roy so that he doesnt get out of game shape seems ridiculous.
Just saw TheOdentor’s post below yours, and that makes a ton of sense. Far more than either of my paranoid scenarios. I am going to choose to beleve that it was Nate covering for his guy, which makes me respect Nate for taking the fall so to speak…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Nate's just taking the pressure off of his player.
He took him out as soon as Roy asked him to, if he really were either 1 or 2 he wouldn’t have done that.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
That'
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Oops--hit send accidentally
I meant to write that it’s possible that Nate indeed was trying to take the heat for Roy. That is, it might have been Roy doing the arguing for playing, not Nate. At least, that’s conceivable.
As for “#2,” I don’t believe for a second that Roy was sulking last night because of the trades. He knows that trades happen, and he clearly was eager to get out there and try to help his revamped team win last night.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
i totally agree
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
I dont believe Roy was sulking either
I just threw it out there as a possibility. I have way too much respect for Roy to actually believe that…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
that's an excellent point.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
You're only half correct
If it’s being misdiagnosed as a pull/strain and is in fact caused by a different root problem, then rest will not resolve the issue. Since the two weeks rest seemed to offer little to no help, I would think that there is an underlying issue that hasn’t been appropriately addressed.
I'm questioning whether 2-weeks' rest was enough
In any case, if there’s an underlying issue, how in the world is playing basketball going to address that? It seems to me (I could be wrong) that playing on that leg can only make matters worse, whereas additional rest might well cure the problem. In my experience, it can take months—not weeks—for serious strains and tears to heal. All the ultra-sound, heat/cold, stretching, etc. in the world won’t significantly alter that time-frame.
I sense a remarkable level of denial—not just on Roy’s part, but on that of the Blazers’ organization as a whole—over this injury. That’s kind of shocking in an organization as smart as this one.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
I agree
that playing isn’t going to make it better, probably worse. I have been assuming everyone means rest as in ice, light stretching, chilling. If you mean rest as in just not playing basketball, then fine, but he still needs additional, most likely advanced, physical therapy
I really like this quote from BTS
“That was just me answering a question about more how I was feeling and things that crossed my mind,” Roy said. “But that wasn’t me saying, ‘No, I’m not going to play no more the rest of the season.’ They was just thoughts. And, again, I’ve been frustrated with this, and things like that cross your mind. I’m human, too.”
Exactly. Roy is in fact human, and more honest than most athletes. Maybe it’s time we stop reading so much into every statement. Frustration sometimes breeds pessimisim and hyperbole.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 17, 2010 12:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Oh, come on, Lance
Give me a break. This is the INTERNET.
We don’t ignore hyperbole, we EXPAND IT!
AS WE DO PESSIMISM!
Yes, and if we aren’t expanding pessimism, we are sending OPTIMISM INTO CRITICAL MASS!!!!
WE ARE THE INTERNET AND WE ARE BIPOLAR, MANIC DEPRESSIVE, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS WE DON’T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY ARE BUT WILL TALK ABOUT AS IF WE DO!!!!!!!
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
by jscot on Feb 17, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
yah, because bipolar and manic depressive are the same thing.
It is the internet. Pessimism and hyperbole rule.
Roy should not ruin his chances to play in the playoffs, however.
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
It would kind of ruin his chances to play in the playoffs
if his team doesn’t make the playoffs without him. Our current record puts us in the 8th seed by one game.
Um, bipolar and manic-depressive kinda are the same thing
I can’t tell if you were being sarcastic or not.
sorry for the sarcasm.
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
I'm not sorry for mine
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
We also are Blazer fans
This is the INTERNET. We don’t ignore hyperbole, we EXPAND IT!
And the legacy of this franchise since ‘77 has been that they ’get your hopes up, only to have them dashed" by one thing or another. Injuries. Bad calls. 4th quarters. Draft-day blunders. Chemistry experiments and smh transactions. If it wasn’t for winning the lottery in ‘07 the team’s motto would be “If we didn’t have buzzard’s luck, we’d have no luck at all!”
If there’s a character trait of a Blazer fan that’s better than eternal optimism, it’s dogged perseversance. The Finns call it sisu and it’s the quality that makes a Blazer fan look right into the face of a smug L*ker fan and say “Portland is our team, they were great once, and they will be great again!”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Word!
That is the crux of the matter.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 17, 2010 1:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm surprised Brandon is still so open with the press
I was pretty sure his frankness (i.e. thinking out loud with reporters as if they were friends) would go away by the time he signed the Big Contract.
I'm not worried about him being out for the season
I am extremely worried that he continues to push an injury that shouldn’t be pushed.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Exactly.
It’s not about throwing away this season.
It’s about not throwing away future seasons.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
This is where I think you have to give the training staff, the specialists he undoubtedly saw, and the blazers brass at least a little bit of credit.
There is no way they would let Roy play if there was any sort danger that reinjuring it could become a long term issue. And by long term, I mean stretching into next seasons training camp. They arent that stupid or desperate to get into the playoffs…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Sorry but there are idiots everywhere
When you see a suite of doctors you can pick and choose the news you want to believe.
A Dr. can say “best case scenario, two weeks, but I’d stay off the leg for 2 months” and one person hears 2 weeks and another hears 2 months.
I don;t blame our staff for the injuries this year,but their responses have been to push players into action when they obviously were not ready.
As much as I want Brandon to play ...
I’d rather take a few losses against teams like Boston and win games like last night against the Clips and try and hang onto at least the 8th seed in the playoffs. I think the team on the floor as it is currently constituted without B Roy can make it to the playoffs.
His health should drive him, not his frustration even though it’s obvious with the backtracking and comments last night he is seriously upset about not helping the team.
..
Ok, no matter how tough or quick you heal you DON’T PLAY THROUGH HAMMY’S!! it is common sense. I swear, I’d gladly leave my current job and join the PTB training staff. Jay Jensen is a good trainer, he knows these things, why isn’t he shutting him down?..
This hamstring thing has been really, really weird.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
The more I read into it...
the less it’s common sense and the more scientific it gets. Everything I’m reading indicates that rest is not the cure
Speak up . . .
I haven’t heard you understanding of the issue.
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
*your
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
I posted this up above as well
Here is a pretty in depth discussion of two seemingly similar hamstring injuries with different root causes from what seems to be an advanced trainer
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/thigh-pain.html
And here is another discussion in a runner’s forum, you have to read through a bit, but there is a very informative post from DougC on the issue:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=120099&page=0
Again I am not an expert, just that the more I read, the more I’m starting to see that rest alone isn’t the answer. Trust me, my initial thought was he just needs to rest like anyone else, but since that hasn’t been working, I started digging deeper.
by Billy Hoyle on Feb 17, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I’ve found your articles really interesting. I hadn’t thought about a lot of the technical issues that they bring up. We are complicated and integrated beings. Different parts create different issues in each individual. I hope our staff is educated.
Go Brandon! Heal and be well!
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
cross fibre frictions
It sounds like you are close to something really crazy good!
I like the idea of deep muscle manipulation that is not a ‘massage’. It looks like something that causes physical pain for Roy, but it might end up healing him in the end. (see second link)
Great post on how he might get better other than all of us idiots just yelling at each other!
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
good one
Great post on how he might get better other than all of us idiots just yelling at each other!
lol
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Roy = Katy Perry
He’s hot then he’s cold
he’s yes then he’s no
he’s in then he’s out
he’s up then he’s down
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
i think that was a bit of stretch...
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
that's what she said
you know, when she got the pic on her phone…
#52. Get well soon.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 17, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
that's a greg oden joke
in case you missed it…
#52. Get well soon.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 17, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
it was intended to be.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
that's good for you. :)
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
he must feel a hell of a lot better this morning than he thought he would have
We can’t feel what he is feeling but if he woke up this morning and felt great than I can understand this statement. I have a feeling that we will be hearing a lot more about this in the next couple of weeks.
WWOPD? What would Optimus Prime do?
And by weeks, you mean days.
"Batum must be french for:
being at the right place at the right time"
- StudMuffin15 @ Rufus On Fire
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Feb 17, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
From his comments I'm starting to get the impression
that perhaps he’s starting to think that the hamstring just needs to be worked back into condition?
Having had my shoulder replaced last December, I know what having muscles that are painful to use until you force them to remember their old strength.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Ended that last sentence prematurely... should read "... old strength is like."
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I agree
That’s probably what hes thinking because resting wasn’t really helping it… he’ll probably do the same thing as last game. Play tell he starts to feel it then shut it down
by Michael Baller on Feb 17, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Play tell he starts to feel it then shut it down
This makes me wonder…if 10-15 mpg is all that Roy can give before his hammy starts to tighten up, wouldn’t Portland be better off resting him for the entire the first half and then “starting” him for the 3rd quarter?
On te one hand, if the team gets off to a poor start, it might not matter i he plays in the 2nd half. But few NBA games are true “boat races” where a team gets a 20+ point lead and pulls away. Even the worst teams make a “run” at some point, like when the Clips pulled ithin 5 last night. So, even on the rare occasions when Portland is down by double digits at halftime, stretching out Brandon and warming him up before the 3rd quarter and playing him for 2 “shifts” in the 2nd half could be the best strategy to get the most bang for the buck
I’ve long contended that most NBA games are “close” with 2 minutes to go, and that’s when the games are usually decided. Down the stretch is when Roy is needed the most, not in the 1st quarter
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Is the injury at a point where he won't risk further damage by playing?
Because that could be the seeming flip-flop from yesterday. If he can play without the risk, but it doesn’t feel well, then this could be just a case where to Brandon it feels like the degree of pain means it needs to be rested, while the trainer knows that he just needs to continue to work.
Physical Rehab isn’t fun, and often feels like it is making things worse. He just needs to trust the trainers, its not like back in the days with Walton, physical trainers are ridiculously better and have access to much better tools. If this were going to hurt him further, no way does the organization risk a multi-million dollar investment for 26 games.
That and the organization has been surprisingly forthcoming with injuries.. When Greg went down the Blazers let everyone know it would be season ending, and got him the surgery needed same for Joel, Nic, Travis, Steve, Patty, JP31 all the way down the line. The same can’t be said for all NBA teams.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
I dont know
I would think in Brandon state with any injury there is a chance to re-injure it. I just REALLY hope that doesn’t happen
by Michael Baller on Feb 17, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Heartbroken..... Our goats have escaped.
by Starvin' Marvin on Feb 17, 2010 1:08 PM PST reply actions
Where's the medical staff???
I’m starting to agree with posters who think we need to replace our entire medical staff. It sure seems like they are either clueless or powerless, and neither is good.
Also, Nate, grow a pair and tell your superstar to go to Hawaii and REST his freaking leg until April, will you please?
When you let the inmates run the asylum…
by Visionary2 on Feb 17, 2010 1:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Turns out Nate actually ENCOURAGED Roy to play last night
Nate has a pair. It would seem it’s his brain that’s the missing part. Unless there’s something about pulled hamstrings that I don’t know. That is, that you don’t need to rest them like you do any other pulled/ torn muscle.
I keep saying it: this is weird, weird, weird.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Our training staff blows
time and time again we are proven incompetent..
someone go hire the assistant trainer from phoenix
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions
I think we all have to remember that Roy is just talking this thing through.
One of the things that endears Brandon Roy to Portland fans is that he always appears so human. He seems to really enjoy and spend a lot of his off-court time with his family. He doesn’t like to talk about that. When he is frustrated sometimes he shuts up about it and other times he seems to speak from his heart without a filter. He is sometimes intensely private, and other times completely unguarded. When he says the season might be gone he is likely just frustrated. When he backtracks and suggests he would like to play against Boston he’s had a night to mull it over and he most likely woke up feeling like his hamstring was feeling good. Nothing he said in either case gives us any indication of how the injury is actually doing or how well the medical staff is or is not treating it. I like to just be grateful that we have a player who we care about and who is willing to speak about these things without filtering them through a PR machine. I hope he does what is best, but I can’t possibly pretend to know what that is with such little evidence.
by fitsnstarts on Feb 17, 2010 1:40 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
rec
well written..
but my frustrations with the training staff are a laundry list of sure go ahead and play comments without properly tailoring recovery plans to each athlete. And if they ARE doing that, they aren’t good at their job. This isnt the first or last season to see drastic injuries that just seem to last longer on our players than the rest of the league
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting
It would be interesting if there were data we could look at to compare the time-back-from-injuries on different teams. Even so, it would be near impossible to make any kind of comparison that means much. Each body and each injury is different. Of course I think it’s fine to ask the question – is our training/medical staff making good decisions? But, I don’t think we can really answer that question.
yes another reason why i avoid OregonLive like the plague
its the youtube commentary of Blazer blogs
Posted by sux2beyou
February 17, 2010, 12:53PM
Good job little Roy. At least you are showing some you may have a slight inkling of heart in you. It is a real shame you’ve been allowed to “baby” this injury for this long. Brandon, maybe you could look to some vetran leadership (ie. Andre Miller), to see how a true warrior plays. Grow up little B®oy. GROW UP!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2010 1:43 PM PST reply actions
anybody with a screen name sux2beyou
Is probably a 14 years old kid with a small wee wee….
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Great name for a troll
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Oh silly little man (or boy) behind your keyboard
I just love it when wimpy couch potatoes tell ultra-tough athletes to man up.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
i shall repeat
/facepalm
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
If you avoid it then why did you post it here?
We'll miss you #2 & #25!
by clinchmobb on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LA, Nate, KP, and possibly even Paul Allen may need to step in and convince him to rest
It seems like he is letting his frustrations affect his judgment. If he can’t bend his leg without serious pain, he can’t play basketball at an elite level and he won’t be able to help the team hobbling around the court.
The best strategy at this point is to rest Roy until he is completely healthy or keep him out until there are only 5 games or so left in the regular season (assuming we remain in the playoff picture). We need Brandon as healthy as possible for the playoffs.
rec
Heartbroken..... Our goats have escaped.
by Starvin' Marvin on Feb 17, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
really? it is?
Batum doesn't use email,
he uses his mind to transmit his thoughts to other people. that is how he intimidates his opponents without ever talking to them
broyposse...
…is probally giving early wishes…well done
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure "somebody" named Brandon
was born on this day
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Play but be smart about it
I hate it when people use their experiences to try to relate to a professional athlete but here goes: I pulled my hamstring my senior year of high school. I could barely walk for a couple of days without it tightening up. I sat out a few games and it started to feel better. By that I mean it didn’t tighten up as often. I went back to practicing and playing and gradually the tightness loosened up. I guess it could have gotten worse but it wasn’t like the awareness of the tightness and pain disappeared immediately, it just loosened up one day.
All I am saying is that it should be Roy’s call. He is the only one who can guage the pain and discomfort. If there is no tear, the training staff can’t really hold him out.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Feb 17, 2010 2:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
oh to be young again
being a teenager makes it so much easier to “bounce back”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
What?
Well this makes a whole lot of zero sense. If the trainers have half a brain they will stop him. Granted there is a tear, which I guess there is not? This is just odd and frankly, scary. Anyway, I highly doubt we will see Brandon on the floor tomorrow. If I had a say it would be no Brandon until the hammy is 100%.
We already passed on Durant. Let’s not be irresponsible with the only star we do have.
Has this question been asked?
Could there be TWO Brandon Roy’s? One is clearly injured and frustrated about it, I saw him hobbling around last night and he did not look ready to play. The other one is feeling good and willing to give things a shot because his injury is clearly not as serious as the Roy we all saw last night against the Clippers.
This also explains why we traded Outlaw and Blake, because next year when both Roys are healthy we’ll have the best guard rotation in the league.
by JonathanPDX on Feb 17, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It would be like the killer bees.
They’d put on yellow masks, dance around, and would switch places when needed.
if one of them shaves off the goatee
he can be the good Roy, and the one with the goatee can be the evil Roy.
by superfly05 on Feb 17, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's trade the Brandon
that’s so self destructive. The one that obviously doesn’t know that if he plays against Boston, the whole season, his career…everything will be destroyed. EVERYTHING. He doesn’t know how his hamstring is feeling. How could he?
by NBAstard on Feb 17, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not the right approach for a hamstring tear
granted, Brandon has access to better medical expertise than I did when I re-tore my hamstring repeatedly over a 9 month period (soccer). The advice I eventually followed was: with a hamstring, you let it heal until it feels 100%, then rest it another couple weeks.
By contrast, Roy said yesterday that he gets out of bed in the morning feeling that the hammy still isn't right
That’s before he even tries doing anything on it. Clearly the leg isn’t even CLOSE to being ready for NBA action. Yet Roy—actually at the urging of his coach—continues to try to go. I truly don’t get this—not at all.
Generally, I assume that we fans are in the dark and that the team probably knows what it’s doing. Not this time. Common sense clearly suggests that Roy needs to give his leg total rest for at least a month—maybe more. You don’t play thru pulled muscles.
Conditioning? You just have to forget about that until the leg is sound. Better to have an out-of-shape Roy come playoff time than a gimpy one, dragging his leg around the court.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
The advice you were given
was for your hammy injury. They are not all created equally, as such, the treatment can vary. I’m no expert, but I’ve read enough to know that the treatment is very specific depending on the root cause, and appropriate treatment (whether its rest, strengthening, stretching, muscle-balancing, or otherwise) is the only proper treatment.
Which also means the trainers really need to know their stuff, in order to properly diagnose and thus properly treat the problem. Right now I’m just not sure that is the case. Shaq dealt with this in Miami with his chronic back issues, went to Phoenix and they diagnosed a muscle imbalance in his glutes, put him on a revised program that wasn’t just ice and stim, and eventually, Shaq was back to 100%. Anyway, the main point is, the trainers are the key.
Not if the players and/or coach are overrulling the trainers
We don’t really know that’s the case. But it certainly seems plausible at this point. It’s hard to imagine that the Blazers’ training staff would have willingly signed off on Roy playing last night. Not when by his own admission he’s been feeling something wrong with his hamstring just getting up in the morning, and he felt tightness in it at practice the day before. How on earth could playing hoops on a leg like that help it get better?
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
I completely agree there could be more involved than just the trainers. I’m just making the point that rest alone doesn’t appear to be the solution. I certainly don’t think playing will make it better, probably worse
see his post above
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
Gotta rely on techs...
…when our Bugatti V…isn’t runnin’ just right.
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Not to be too knee jerk but...
well I will be for a second. Does anyone else think it was a mistake to give a max money max years deal to a player with such a long injury history?
yeah, I agree with you.
We should of let him walk. Forget this scrub.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Er, the Blazers already HAVE Andre Miller
Of course, some of the smart trade experts around here could probably figure out how to make this work.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
When did that happen?
As I get older, it’s so hard for me to keep up anymore.
Hope Travis has a good game tomorrow.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
I think Trout will be fine
It’s Blake that would simply hate losing. For his sake, I hope the Clips get better. They’re really missing Blake Griffin, though.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Randy Smith
iron man
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
we haven't resigned Oden yet
have we?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
I'll take a healthy Roy next season
Than an injured one and making the play-offs.
Life is hilarious.
Agreed, but one would think that even an exacerbated hamstring injury would heal over the course of an entire summer
That is, if Roy actually stayed off the damn thing for a whole summer. Hard to envision that when his own coach “nudges” him to play on it when it’s clearly not right. (To help with Roy’s “conditioning.”)
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Obviously
He is very, very frustrated with this whole situation. This can be seen by him going back and forth on his stance regarding his injury, and some of the stuff he said last night may have been his emotions flowing unreasonably from him. I mean come on, we’ve all had our doom and gloom moments when we’re understandably upset.
And lets be real. Even though we all feel our training staff is sub – par, I’m willing to bank on that if pushing himself into these games will have consequences on his career that they would no doubt keep him out. I mean were dealing with professional sports trainers and doctors, not a family physicians. I have confidence that if it were truly serious, they would kill any sort of talk like this from Brandon.
are they serious about not resting him because he’s making millions and creating a great fan base that is making millions? Or are they being a good family physician and telling him the truth?
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
not saying anything. just asking questions.
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
You gotta look long term
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
Good point actually. If there is one thing that makes me sick about pro sports is that its all about the money, also would they have the guts to make the right move despite Broy swearing up and down he’s going to play? Sometimes the mind can make the body do amazing things, but we’re not in the finals (Yet). I had some time to think this over.
Shut him down.
Honestly I think we're good enough to make the playoffs w/o Roy
We’ve got a solid team going on even without him right now. With him we’d practically be elite. Or maybe I’m overestimating my Trail Blazers.
You're right
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
maybe he is faking the pain, then the celtics won't pay as much attention to him and he will destroy them
Batum doesn't use email,
he uses his mind to transmit his thoughts to other people. that is how he intimidates his opponents without ever talking to them
minute management
One idea may be to start him and then come out when the first subs are made. Then sit out the remainder of the half. Then start the second half the same way, but play the whole 4th. 8+8+12=28 min. If its a back to back situation, he probably should only play the second game where the others will be tired.
Rudy?
Has anyone mentioned that maybe, just maybe, Roy has a fear that Rudy will take his spot? Steal his minutes? Make him, gulp, expendable?
I’m not saying it’s true, just say’n. If we’re gonna speculate…
I love Rudy
But just ‘cause we’re speculating doesn’t mean we have to be silly.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Did they say it is a tear?
Or is still classified as a strain/sprain?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
Brian T. Smith's recent article that Jay Jensen can do no wrong in the eyes of the Blazers staff starts to remind me of his similar article that Nate has made no mistake so far
The medical staff seems to be good (not great) about rehab. Prevention and management of timelines and expectations towards the coaching staff, front office and the public – not so sure about that anymore. At least please continue to get external opinions on important decisions.
Perhaps I am being overly positive, but perhaps this move can lengthen his career?
We already know that his knees are not that of someone his age, and Roy does have higher risk of breaking down given his injury history and his playing style. Given that he is not likely going to further damage it and since this type of injury does not lead to a potential career-ender (at least, I’ve never heard of career-ending hamstring pull), he’ll have to adapt his style as long as he has the discomfort. Mainly, he will have to work more in the perimeter rather than take the pounding from taking it in to the paint. Eventually, Roy has to take his game more to the perimeter if he wants to extend the longevity of his career as he slows down and to manage the pounding that he takes.
Since he has to go more perimeter anyway, why not start now? This situation forces him to play perimeter and without the ball in his hand, which could help him lengthen his career by reducing the pounding his knees and other body parts take as well as help him become more complete player once his hamstring issue clears up over the summer. Of course, close management of his minutes and status is necessary, but if Brandon feels like he can go and if his injury isn’t going to lead to something career-threatening, adapting his game might actually be a positive thing in the long run.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
You might be right
Hopefully it means Nate won’t play him 40+ minutes a night anymore, either.
If Brandon plays 30-32 mpg, it will be better for his career, better for Rudy, better for everything in the long run.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Brandon said something last night to the effect that his leg will only let him go about 15 minutes.
So, DON’T START HIM.
Insert him in the 4th quarter, when he’s needed most…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I like it!
Bring him in like Mariano Rivera…trotting out in the eighth/ ninth (or 10min/ 5min to go) depending on the save opportunity.
"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy
by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 17, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
They probably start him to keep his hammy from tightening up while sittig on the bench
I do like that idea though. Have him start warming up at halftime and during the 3rd quarter, than let him provide the knockout punch in the 4th…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
will his hammy alow...
…riding the stationary bike?
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
brilliant minds think alike
I posted something similar up above, before reading this response
The problem with your 4th quarter idea is that while Brandon could be stretched-out and “warm up” in the locker room, but he wouldn’t have the opportunity to practice his ball skills (shooting, etc) in-between quarters. So my suggestion is to send him in at the beginning the 3rd quarter, play him for 6-7 minutes, rest him, then reinsert him for the 4th quarter before the muscle has a chance to tighten up.
Like a relief pitcher in baseball, it’s not “how much” but when
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If he can only go 15 minutes
he isn’t going to get into rhythm, anyway. Sit him until he can at least to 20-25.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Then he'll blow up like Miller and cry like a baby because he's not starting
I read in a fanpost that it’s Miller’s team, so Roy would do what Miller did.
Well
We’ve seen what a kneecap broken in half looks like and a kneecap three inches too high. What do you think a completely torn hamstring looks like? I guessing like an overcooked turkey wing.
I remember the description of Raef's calf muscle
looking like it had a deep valley in it
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
mmmm...
turrrr-key!
"I was surprised, I was listening to the coach on the bench and behind me, she touches me and says, ‘Rudy, I love you. Nice to meet you. Good game.’ - Rudy
by The Mallorcan Rocket on Feb 17, 2010 6:45 PM PST reply actions
UGH
I am really having difficulty with this hamstring injury. I feel the training staff is really not looking into the real problem. As a PT I wonder if they are looking at his spinal movements, and his hip flexor/quad flexibility. I honestly think the hamstring pain is a symptom of issues elsewhere. Possibly back to when he fell on his sacrum a year or so ago.
It kills me to hear they are stretching his hamstring and to have seen them on the sideline stretching his hammy during the game. Any PT worth their salt knows that is not the proper treatment for a tight hamstring.
If I was the trainer, I would put him on his stomach, check his lumbar extension, check his hip extension and his quad mobility. If he doesn’t have full painfree ROM equal to the other side, I would address these issues.
by troutfan on Feb 17, 2010 6:53 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Somebody get this guy inside the PF and let him take a look at Roy
I am looking at you Ben…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
You think they don't have a qualified PT who is checking these things?
Why wouldn’t they do that?
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
having had hamstring injuries in the past
I can say they are frustrating because you feel fine, then, without any warning they are back and annoy the hell outta you. Roy’s statements are indicative of this injury. Medical personnel, regardless of skill have a hard time treating these injuries. Its something the body needs to fix itself. I am not defending the blazers medics here as I think they have had there snafu’s in the past. Roy is the ultimate judge of when he feels ready to play. Hope he’s back soon, but not prematurely. If he plays and it starts to hurt, sit him. Playoffs are not a be all end all this season.
I hope
Brandon can play on Friday but I hate to rush things. The thing I am looking forward to the most is Camby rolling up Garnett. Garnett is maybe my least favorite player in the NBA. You know Camby wont take any of his bs and his veteran prowess should prove valuable.
This makes me smile
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 17, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think they oughta play Roy but make him come off the bench.
Give a few minutes at a time. Roy doesn’t need to be in 40+ mpg to make an impact on a game. Make a couple of shots or passes and Roy has changed the game entirely. Just make him come off the bench for now and when his hammy starts tightening up less often then we slowly work him back into the starting rotation like we did with Greg.
Brandon Roy - The Savior Of Portland Basketball
by rise_stand_resist on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions
I never understand this line of reasoning
If a guy has just warmed up at the beginning of each half and stretched, why would you choose to put him back on the bench for 10+ minutes before inserting him into the game? He’s warm, he’s loose—play him. Then, rest him when he’s winded but not “too long” before his muscles start tightening back up again. The trainer should be monitoring all this, Roy could even hop on a courtside exercise bike if need be to stay loose (and risk the wrath of Rice!)
Brandon isn’t used to being a bench player, but you want to make him adjust to that role when his hamstring is already gimpy…?
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