Marcus Camby Trade Reaction
by Ben Golliver on Feb 16, 2010 8:53 AM PST
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PrintYahoo! Sports is now reporting that the trade between the Portland Trail Blazers and Los Angeles Clippers is official. The Blazers will send Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake and $3 million dollars to the Clippers for center Marcus Camby.
- For the blow-by-blow from last night and to vote on whether you like the trade, click here.
- For Dave's analysis, click here.
Adrian Wojnarowski notes this morning...
Sources tell Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports that the Blazers deal with the Clips for Marcus Camby has been completed.
Portland is throwing $3 million into Camby package, league source says. That's why Clips chose this deal -- not anything else.
Click through for trade analysis as it pours in. This post will be updated throughout the day.
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Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus writes...
With Brendan Haywood in Dallas, the best short-term rental option in the middle is Camby, who makes little sense at this point for a Clippers team that has slipped 10 games below .500 and headed into the All-Star break on a four-game losing streak. With an expiring contract, Camby can help a team now without hurting the balance sheet going forward.
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Camby has been stronger than ever on the glass, pulling down a career-best 22.7 percent of available rebounds and essentially one in three opponent misses (33.1 percent of available defensive rebounds). Both marks lead the league. Camby does have some issues defensively in terms of stepping out on the perimeter and playing the pick-and-roll, but he is an excellent defensive anchor who would upgrade most teams in the middle.
After posting an impressive .556 True Shooting Percentage during his first season in L.A., Camby has slipped back to the near-50 percent range he settled in at with the Nuggets. Hoopdata.com's numbers show that Camby benefited from a temporary uptick in his accuracy at the rim in 2008-09. However, he's likely to improve the 27.0 percent of attempts he's hitting from 16-23 feet. While Camby has never been quite accurate enough to justify the number of long twos he takes, he's made between 35 and 37 percent of them the previous three seasons. Camby's free throw percentage should also bounce back, making him more efficient than he has been so far.
DJ Foster of ClipperBlog writes...
The Haul. Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake, and cash savings are probably not what Clippers' fans had in mind for Marcus Camby. As one of the more attractive players and contracts on the trade market, you'd expect the return could have been more substantial. If there were no available trades for big pieces, it seems the Clippers could have at least picked up some draft picks in a deal, even though a first round pick does equal another guaranteed contract. Essentially, this trade implies that cash has a higher value than draft picks, which may be tough for some to swallow.
Chemistry. By all accounts, Marcus Camby was the "big brother" for a lot of these guys, and there have already been some reported grumblings about Camby being moved. This season is shot, but finishing with some positive momentum may have helped aid the reloading process next year.
On Court. It's tough to tell the effect Outlaw and Blake will have, but one thing we do know for certain is that the Clippers were a much, much worse team with Marcus Camby off the floor. From strictly a basketball standpoint, the Clippers appeared to have downgraded quite a bit. In some ways, that could be listed as a pro...if you catch my drift.
Kelly Dwyer from Yahoo! Sports writes...
It's a lazy trade. The trade deadline isn't until Thursday, and the going rate for a 7-footer who can dominate on one end and hold his own on the other (to say nothing of his rather helpful expiring contract) should be through the roof. Camby should be amongst the most sought-after assets in this market, despite the paucity of buyers, and yet the Clippers are about to send him to Portland for something they'd already get even if Camby stuck around past the trade deadline - contracts that expire in June. And some cash.
So, the cash is the difference. And the initial reaction, the glass half-full reaction, is to tell yourself that Dunleavy was doing this as a favor to Camby. Sending him to a team that needs him, working in front of a fan base that tends to win over even the most harshest of hearts, spinning its way toward the postseason despite myriad injuries. This was done with Camby's blessing, logic tells you, because why else would they switch around the deck chairs, taking on the same amount of expiring cash for Travis Outlaw (who might not play again this year) and Steve Blake?
And then you learn that Camby wanted absolutely nothing to do with being moved to Portland, or anywhere else. And then you read that the deal went down with the Clippers in Portland, and you wonder if Dunleavy was even allowed to make long distance calls.
A must-read article from the Clipper Blog archives by Kevin Arnovitz of True Hoop on Camby's defense...
Marcus Camby is one of those guys who tests our faith in perception. Voters have traditionally seen him as a stalwart defender when it comes time to fill out their ballots for DPOY, but those who've watched him most closely over the years maintain that he's more specialist than complete defender. The numbers tell us one thing, our eyes sometimes tell us another. Camby won't be a candidate for DPOY this season for a variety of reasons, but as a former winner, he'll likely be in the mix for All-Defensive Teams. Does he deserve it? The links above advance his case, but it's also worth looking at his on-court performance with a naked eye. I don't want to suggest that the first quarter of a meaningless game in the final week of the regular season is a representative sample of Camby's performance, but...meaningless games are all we have. Consider this review of Camby's first quarter Monday night as a narrow window into the current state of his defensive game:
Hank Stern of the Willamette Week writes...
How Portland Is He: So Portland. Clean record (aside from the league-standard pot offense in the late '90s) and active with various charities. The tough part would be letting camby go at the end of the season.
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1) This is a deal that should improve the Blazers' playoff position this year, increasing the odds they can make it out of the first round. And they did it without sacrificing anybody who's part of the longer-term effort to build a championship contender. Good on them.
2) As former Blazers coach Jack Ramsay said this morning on 95.5 The Game, it's worth noting that Camby has been injury-prone and the Blazers obviously don't need another big man to succumb to the team's unfortunate history of centers with injuries (Bill Walton, Sam Bowie, Greg Oden, etc.)
3) And while Blazers fans should be happy if the deal happens, there's got to be a smidgen of sympathy for Clippers fans who once again are on the short end.
Travis Demers from 1080 The Fan writes...
Initially, I really like this deal, should it happen. In fact, I love it. We know Kevin Pritchard isn't going to make a deal just to make one. The roster as it is right now (before the trade) is NOT going to be able to compete in the post season. They can get there, but that's about it. Adding Camby changes that.
WHY I LIKE THIS DEAL -
-You have a legit center. After losing both Oden and Przybilla they don't have anyone in the middle. Camby brings rebounding, and toughness that the team lacks right now. Not to mention his defensive presence in the paint. Yes he is aging, but yes, he can absolutely improve that defense and front court. He won't score a ton, and won't need to.
-LaMarcus Aldridge can be himself. This give LA a chance to stop worrying about the possibility of being a combo F/C, and the pressure of him needing to be the man defensively and on the boards will allow him to be the 4 that he needs to be.
The Invisible Ninja says Synergy isn't slobbering over Camby...
Hope Camby brings the intangibles, because his offensive and defensive metrics in Synergy are unimpressive at best.
For this year, Synergy rates Camby as an "Average" (38%) individual defender and as "Average" (33%) on offense. He has contributed 0.86 PPP on offense.
Coup from Rip City Project reasons...
there is literally no downside to this deal barring an epic fit thrown by Camby, though it sounds as though he is more upset with the Clippers than anything. No risk-medium reward here.
SJ had a funny reaction to Camby's distaste for the deal last night...
Just to use another Jersey Shore reference...looks like we got a situation. Did Hedo text him or something? Now the whole deal takes on a different spin. I mean I loved the deal because I thought Camby would want to leave the Clippers and get to a contender, but it looks like that may not be so. Reason why I didn't want Tyrus Thomas? Attitude. Not sure I want Camby's attitude either. As the world turns..
Eric Freeman of the Sporting News writes...
This is a great deal for the Blazers: they give away no long-term assets and get a sorely needed big man to protect the rim and grab rebounds. There have been talks for much of the last few weeks that they were most interested in Brendan Haywood, but Camby was the logical next target with Haywood now in Dallas. He'll be a huge upgrade over Juwan Howard in the middle.
Last night, Bill Simmons tweeted...
Did the Clips really just give away Marcus Camby for Steve Blake + Travis Outlaw? Please tell me that wasn't the whole trade.
Yup, another Dumbleavy special!
David Locke, the radio broadcaster for the Utah Jazz, is mad...
The LA Clipps never cease to amaze. They just traded Marcus Camby to a Western Contender and all they got was cash, not even cap space, cash
Quick anaylsis of Camby to Port: Will help defensively but not dramatically, will hurt offensively in limited possessions. 35 yrs old.
Anaylsis of Camby to Port #2 -- losing Steve Blake will hurt Port. Good +/- last 2 years. More Bayless is bad for Blazers.
Bottom line - Def gained by Camby will be off-set by having Bayless on floor more 4 Port and not better offensively with trade. Minor impact
Nathan Begley of Portland Roundball Sociefy writes...
Steve Blake is a steady veteran who doesn't make many mistakes and Travis Outlaw is Brandon Roy's best friend on the team, a locker room glue guy, and one of the most interesting characters on the Blazer's team. Both will be missed, though possibly not for long.
Ezra Ace Caraeff of the Portland Mercury writes...
Wasted steak and hurt feelings aside, trading Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw (and possibly some cash) for Camby is a big deal for Portland. All involved parties have expiring contracts, meaning that no player is obligated to stay with their new team after the season ends in a few months. That means Outlaw will test the free-agent market and might return next year, while Blake, um, well, it was nice knowing you.
But this is about Camby. What he offers the injury-depleted Blazers is rebounds, rebounds, rebounds, and more rebounds. He's ranked second in the NBA (behind superstar Dwight Howard) in boards, and will provide the stopgap this team needs under the basket. He's also sixth in the league in blocks (nearly two a game), and while his game is far from flashy, Camby brings the no-frills reliability the Blazers so desperately crave.
aramnath on SBNation's Front Office Fans writes...
For GM Kevin Pritchard and the Blazers this deal will help them address their lack of size in the frontcourt and adds no payroll to the salary cap after this year with Camby's contract expiring this summer. Another excellent move by a franchise that has made many over the past few years.
The Clippers on the other hand make another trade that should leave their fans dumbfounded by the stupidity of GM Mike Dunleavy. The issue here isn't trading Camby. In fact, that was the prudent move to make after they dropped to 10 games under .500 heading into the All-Star break. Camby is a quality big man and with teams looking to solidify their rosters heading into the last third of the season into the playoffs this was a good time to sell high on him. While the Clippers certainly did sell, they failed to get any real value in return.
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Travvvvvvvvvvvvv :(
Stevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvve :(
The one...
The only...
Steve Blake fan!!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Feb 16, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan :(
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by Mr. Knox on Feb 16, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A little leary about Camby's
reaction to the news. I don’t want to make too much of it, as getting traded can be distressing even for a veteran. But on the surface this is a fantastic deal for us. Thanks be to Mr. Allen for putting his money out there yet again. Get well soon Paul.
I won’t be at the game tonight, but Outlaw and Blake should get standing O’s if their names are mentioned. As ambivalent as I’ve been about both, they are classy men of character. I will root for both of them as long as they’re not playing against us.
by lickety brindle on Feb 16, 2010 8:59 AM PST reply actions
Put yourself in his shoes.
He’s sitting at dinner with his teammates when he hears the news. That’s awful. Would you be happy? He’s a pro. He’s a vet. But most of all, he’s a competitive guy in a contract year. Once the ball goes up in the air he’ll start playing.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Based on some of Yahoo's reporting
he reacted similarly to getting traded from Denver to the Clippers. Seems like it’s more just about his desire to be settled and not move his family around than any particular animosity for Portland. He responded well on the court to that move, though, so I’m not too worried about the reports of him being upset.
Slam dunk deal for us, though. Paul Allen demonstrates his value to the franchise again. Steve and Travis were good guys and good Blazers, but I think the time is right to move on. Good luck to them and hopefully they find some “out of this world” compensation this offseason.
#52
Camby will be pleasantly suprised
to see Portland has been getting better weather than LA this winter. Thank El Nino fo r blowing our rain south to CA this year.
Can't blame Camby for wanting to be steady
He’ll be fine with us in terms of competitiveness. I’ll miss Blake and Travis, but I think we all knew they weren’t a part of the long-term plans.
Well...
he probably realizes it’s not a long-term thing.
“Oh great, I have to uproot my life for 27+ games up in Portland, then get traded again somewhere else this summer…”
Yeah, I doubt he ever returns to a team that traded him away
Doesn’t seem to fit his M.O.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think that's really that big of a deal, NBA players spend half of the regular season travelling anyways. There's no reason that he has to buy a house here this season.
I guess he has to spend some time away from his family for a few months, but lots of people have to do that for their careers and aren’t being rewarded financially as generously as he is.
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 16, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
just means he'll be distracted a bit
while his family is away. He’s probably moving in the offseason
I don't think that will affect his on court play though, he's a pro
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 16, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
YES
The players should feel good knowing the team was willing to spend 3 million to rent some defense for the last third of the season. They played hard—-they deserve it.
And perhaps this is doing Outlaw a favor: he’ll get a real chance to get some shots up in his contract year.
Blake will be back next year, of course. I mean, COME ON, the Blazers can’t resist a chance to run “Third time’s a charm!” as it 2010/2011 motto.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:01 AM PST reply actions
Any minutes Trout got
were going to cut into minutes for Batum and Cunningham. A clear case of addition by subtraction if you ask me.
by lickety brindle on Feb 16, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
ABSOLUTELY
This squad had too many players. The rotation looks A LOT more tidy this way. Now we just need everyone to stay healthy…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
...or at least, they would have been.
If Nate cut Batum and Cunningham’s minutes too much to squeeze Travis in there, he’d be doing those two guys a disservice. They’ve earned their keep around here, and KP made Nate’s job a lot easier (again) by trading away his security blanket.
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-Conan O'Brien
We might actually win an opening tip now
I know Camby’s older, but won’t it feel good to have possession at the beginning of the fourth?
Then the entire arena froze as a primal, bloodthirsty shriek echoed through the seats and rafters. Beer vendors dropped their glasses, fans cowered, whistles fell out of refs' mouths, Coach Nate fell backwards into his seat, Monty Williams grew hair, watched it turn grey, and then sobbed as it fell out again all in an instant, and the Suns' blue and orange road uniforms suddenly included a conspicuous amount of yellow. B-Rex had arrived. And he was angry.
by musicdaniel on Feb 16, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Dang Clippers
The trade worked better with Miller in it. if they wouldn’t have been so cheap, we could have gotten rid of the worst Blazer in the history of the universe!
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Is it just me?
or does every single article end up with a trade andre miller post from tominhawaii. Isn’t it like 5 in the morning over there right now?
by lickety brindle on Feb 16, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I work nights
Midnight to 8am but it was 7:05 when I posted that.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
ahhhhhhhh.
Don’t forget to tip your waitresses, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
tommy tommy
when Brandon and Andre finish the season seamlessly playing together, I want to see a fanshot of you singing Dre’s praises as we prance to the 2nd round, which I think is feasible with Camby!
Why does tom have to like him?
I get the paper, so I don't care!
by Name's Ash on Feb 16, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am with you Tom
Miller is a good player and has saved us in a few games this season but overall he is not what the team needs or what Nate wants at PG.
I can’t wait until he is gone.
we can still win........
I think I love you
If Bayless really is the future, he should be starting with the starters and Miller doesn’t like being a back up.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I don't hate Miller like you do.
But I am fully in the Start Bayless camp. He needs to get that time with the first team since he’s the only long-term option at the point for the Blazers. No reason not to get him that time, especially this season.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
One good reason is that Miller is a much better player than Bayless
and we just made a trade strictly for the purposes of fielding the best team possible…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
That's all well and good I suppose, but this season doesn't matter.
There’s no title to be had for Portland this year. Camby might help Portland win a series, but he’s not the final piece to the puzzle for a championship. Even still, I like the deal as it helps with two positional logjams for the Blazers and gives that temporary help to keep the Blazers respectable this year.
Just like Camby isn’t a long term solution for Portland, Miller is not either. He’s only got so many good seasons left in him. He’s not a player that is going to get better. Miller is better than Bayless right now, that much is clear. But what about two years from now? The team may see it differently, but I see no reason to sacrifice a potentially better future to win a series or two in the playoffs this year.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Miller is going to help all of the players around him develop though
Playing Bayless big minutes would surely increase his development curve, but at what expense to guys like LA, Batum, Rudy, Webster, Dante… I also highly value the experience that getting into another 7 game playoff series will do for every player on this team. Speeding up Bayless’ development is not worth missing the playoffs and possibly slowing down all of the other young players development on this team with his as of now weak ability to run a team. I would also argue that playing behind and with Miller could be just as valuable as throwing him out there 30+mpg and hoping he figures it out on his own…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
It's a fine balance that you have to maintain.
Playing behind Miller will help him some as he learns more about the intangibles of playing the point. The only thing is actual playing experience is probably more important for point guards than any other position. He needs to get used to playing with all of his teammates in all different types of circumstances. I don’t think he needs 35 minutes a game or anything, but I don’t think that him starting and getting closer to 25 would hurt anything. Ten more minutes for Bayless and ten minutes less for Miller will not be the difference between playoffs or no playoffs.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I wont argue against that.
I dont think there is a huge difference between 15-20mpg(where I expect him to be) and 25mpg though. There is a big difference putting him in the starting lineup, you want your best guys out there and playing a lot of minutes together so they can get off to a good start and develop solid chemistry for the playoffs. Bayless has every oppurtunity to take Millers minutes and starting job, he just has to earn them…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
WHEN Miller is finally gone
I would be more likely to start Mills personally.
I am in love with the respect he has to draw at the 3 point line and the space it should create for Roy and everyone else. I am still curious as to what he can bring on defense however…
Bayless is my answer to Roy’s absence. While Bayless and Roy will spend significant minutes on the floor together, I want Bayless to use his god-given talent to get to the bucket. He is my offensive production when Roy needs a breather.
I know, crazy right?
we can still win........
by RastaMonsta on Feb 16, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Man
And I get told I’m high and you got the reggaeness to your name. If we are going to be on the same team, we can’t be bringing Mills into it at this juncture. That’s stage two.
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Andre Miller could lead the blazers to a championship..
Rescue 50 children from a burning house, cure cancer and solve world-wide starvation and TiH would still find a reason to hate him. Its his schtick at this point…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
maybe he can afford a ticket to the championship series
thats about it though
we can still win........
I'm not a troll
Miller is lame. Calling me a troll is a coward way of saying you are scared to combat my intellect.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tom is a troll and has always been a troll, not just about Miller.
Over 50% of all his posts on here since the beginning could reasonably be called trolls.
However, I think it’s safe to say he’s the most beloved troll on the Internet. No one trolls more artfully or entertainingly without being annoying, and it’s not close.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
I'm not a troll
Folks need to look up the definition. I’ve linked the Wikipedia page many times. I am sarcastic and my goal is to piss off people who piss me off.
If some folks think that is trolling then they don’t get it, and it makes it all the more enjoyable for me.
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It's your joking.
Most of your joke posts could be called trolls. Because they appear to be trying to provoke a response, even if they aren’t really. (And I love them.)
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
I figure I can post that
Or reply to every other comment in some thread. I think that is worse.
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Dull like a laser with laser guidance cutting with laser precision
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
While I didn't want to sign Miller, . . .
just watch how he and Camby-man link up. Camby sliding in from the
weak side for the alley-oop. Camby sliding in from off the block for the
weak side rejection, Camby controlling the D boards (something we NEED).
If Marcus can stay healthy, this trade will help our team, in particular
on the boards, defense and adding a LOOOOONG veteran who knows how to
play. Great move by KP & PA’s $$$$$$$$$$$$ !
Goodbye Travis and Steve. Unlike most, I will miss Stevie Blake. He was a
veteran who never complained or made excuses, just came to PLAY !
It's GO time !
I might be real happy in a week
Right now I see it as a null trade because I don’t expect the Blazers to get out of the first round. I love that KP shows that he’s going for it, halfheartedly. This trade means there are no future trades. KP just showed his hand.
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This is about the happiest day of my life. It is possibly top five moments.
LIke right up there with the birth of my son !
I cannot believe KP pulled the trigger. I always thought he was so scared! Now i KNOW KP IS NEVA SCURREED!
Wow.
So happy
- Princess Sophia
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Feb 16, 2010 9:09 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
"Princess" Sophia!
I agree.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
You should get out more often.
There is more to life than being a Blazer fan.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
by timg56 on Feb 16, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
for a healthy dose of reality.
Then the entire arena froze as a primal, bloodthirsty shriek echoed through the seats and rafters. Beer vendors dropped their glasses, fans cowered, whistles fell out of refs' mouths, Coach Nate fell backwards into his seat, Monty Williams grew hair, watched it turn grey, and then sobbed as it fell out again all in an instant, and the Suns' blue and orange road uniforms suddenly included a conspicuous amount of yellow. B-Rex had arrived. And he was angry.
by musicdaniel on Feb 16, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
dull
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
pretty sure shes kidding
The one...
The only...
Steve Blake fan!!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Feb 16, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
That's ok ...
… on certain topics Sophia misses the joke at least that often.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
What if she's not kidding?
You guys just crapped all over one of the best things to happen to her. Who are you folks to judge?
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Then it falls into the category of ...
… “Life is hard and then you die.”
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
top 5 moments of your life?
i really like your passion for the game.
by DrivetheLane on Feb 16, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Don't think too much of it
Meeting me in person was #3.
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Bask in the moment, PS, but prepare yourself for the triumphal return of #2 this summer!
BTW, this reminds me of an old quip:
Happiest day in a man’s life? The day he finally buys a boat.
Next happiest day in a man’s life? The day he finally sells his boat.
#52
Chances of Blake's return this summer?
I put it at 70%.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
depends on if we move either Andre or Jerryd.
#52 #10 #25 #7
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
well, at least there a happy man
at every boat transaction
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
It's okay. We're also losing Floppy Trout, with his terrible shot selection and off-games.
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-Conan O'Brien
Now a substantive comment:
Where would Travis have fit in the rotation this season upon return? No where, the move makes sense, it had to happen, he has nothing further to add to the team nor can the team use his talents anymore. Not a bad thing, just time.
Blake: huge drop off in efficiency this season. W/O Brandon he’s worse on defense, his offense was terrible most of the year and he had trouble playing with the “2nd” unit.
Both players were just extras , and now with no 1 in the middle, to remain competitive , Blazers needed to clean out the excess and get some substance.
Great trade for this season.
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by BlazerFan1 on Feb 16, 2010 9:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Any minutes Trout got
were going to cut into minutes for Batum and Cunningham. That may be the biggest thing to come out of this trade long term. A clear case of addition by subtraction.
by lickety brindle on Feb 16, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
indeed
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
Really one of the most stunning trades I've seen
Outside of “Pau-gate” and Shaq being traded to the Cavs for a Dunkin’ Donuts coupon, this deal really surprised me. Not that the Blazers made the move, but that they did it without losing a First-round pick, or any of the Middle of the Pack group (Bayless, Rudy, etc)
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Wasn't Camby's last trade
A fire sale as well? Poor guy must be having self-esteem issues about now.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 16, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Camby responds by getting mad.
He knows he’s valuable, but it must be irritating to see yourself get traded for spare parts.
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
It was a purely financial deal. Denver got the right to swap second round picks with the Clippers in 2010. Awesome.
Don't knock it.
That can be the difference between Jeff Pendergraph or Nando Del Colo.
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Denver gets the Clippers' pick?
Call off the trade! Go Clips! Win win win!
With Utah also getting the Knicks’ pick, this is trouble.
Don't fool yourself . . .
the Clips have been sliding down the ladder toward High Lottery.
Trading the 2nd leading boardman & veteran Defender for a injured
CHUCKER and a Bag of Cheetos (according to many here) helps
grease the skids to a an even quicker drop. They can couch the move
in we couldn’t resign him and we got $$$$$$ ! Dunleavy isn’t popular
anymore, but he’s not STUPID.
It's GO time !
I'm excited for our new Cambridge frontcourt
(Not my joke, but I’ll carry it on)
by Norsktroll on Feb 16, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Oden still looks older
than MC and JH
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good trade but
it is still (more than a little) heartwrenching to see 2 of our beloved home boys don new team colors. I will miss them both mightily.
Canby is a good catch as long as he WANTS to compete. If he is going to bring down the locker room because Portland is not like L.A., then this could add a few unwanted wrinkles.
Just play good ball and everyone will be happy.
we can still win........
They were gone at the end of the season anyways, no?
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Bill Bayno's reort on MC
If he is going to bring down the locker room because Portland is not like L.A., then this could add a few unwanted wrinkles
Bayno knows Camby like a son. Bill was on WaW and said Marcus is a pro like Battier. Smart. He heard the Blazers call their plays and immediately knew Roy was going to post-up, etc. He communicates of defense like a PG, and has the best (or near best) A/TO of any big man. Top-5 in shot blocking and rebounding in the NBA. This is an absolute coup for KP. (As long as he stays healthy) Also KP is very interested in signing MC this July, if he works out well with the team
huge step forward in team BBIQ. Great teammate. Andre and Juwan know him well
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Finally....
Now let’s move up the rebounding and blocks ranking please!
You mean move BACK up it.
The Blazers were leading the league in rebounding (both margin and total) before Gregzilla went down.
Also, Greg was leading (or in 2nd place) in Blocks until his injury.
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yes...
That’s what I meant! I hope he brings intensity and doesn’t just sit back and sulk
by OT on Feb 16, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt it.
He doesn’t seem to resent the trade so much as the team that traded him. He played well for the Clips after they brought him in.
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
But the economics...
make even more sense. Think about this, Blazers were beat getting Haywood by a better deal from the Mav’s. A lot of teams are targeting a playoff upgrade: Amare, Murphy, Camby or even Maggette. KP was smart to get this deal done before Amare got dealt, because everyone else would move to targeting Camby on their list.
Also, think about the money, $3M to rent Camby? What’s the income from a playoff series, merchandise, etc? I think Blazers realized their in danger of losing a playoff spot without this deal, and at that point, it makes sense to “buy” your way in as you’ll make it back in profits.
I love cash deals.
This is what I really wanted to see. Another sign that PA and KP are working together to improve the team and reward the fans.
by vanceanthony on Feb 16, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Cash deals are made possible by teams with cheap owners
Chief on that list:
Clippers and the Suns
Both are favorite Pritchard trading partners
Interesting trade though...
Does it get us in the playoffs and out of the first round? (My guess is in, but not out of the round.)
The good? Rebounding, another experienced center, lessened SF “logjam,” possibly more Mills minutes (which might be fun!), some more blocks (don’t you miss those Pryz and Oden swats? – I do!). Annnnnd, it’s a rental for 2 guys that were not going to be resigned anyway. Canby will work – he’s playing for his next contract (which won’t be here most likely).
The bad: 2 really likable, quality guys that fit the team culture are leaving.
probably not out of the first round
But I’d say it improves the chances highly. I know the Mavs made the trade and improved a bit, but I still want to draw them. I think we could take them.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
I think so
especially if we get Denver in the first round. that’s my favorite matchup at this point, though one could always pray for the Thunder. but in reality, I want to meet the Nugs in the first round
It depends on the seed but I lean towards 1st round and out...
But I’m not counting this team out anymore.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
i’ve tried to find negatives in this trade but can’t; whether roy can come back healthy or not, it still makes us better, we are down a good ball handler and three point shooter, but our wings can make up for blake’s shooting (martell can fill in as the streaky 3 ball shooter), we may have more turn overs with rudy, miller and bayless running more plays, but less opposing points in the paint as well. i’m happy
Man, I can't wait til the Boston game.
The debut of Camby? The return of Brandon? Boston in the RG? Gonna be sickkkkkk.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
He's "Questionable"
But I’m not sure if he’ll play. Last night he was feeling a little tightness and said if he feels great in the morning he would play. Regardless, even if Brandon comes back today ( which I hope he does ). It’ll be a fun game.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
game time decision
Bayno said Roy felt fine this AM.Brandon’s going to work out hard before the game. If he feels OK he may not wait until Friday
he might feel the need to pick up the slack now that Blake’s gone
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It was my idea. How dare KP steal it.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/12/1308336/parsing-kevin-pritchard#30724958
Great trade. Very happy.
by Sean M on Feb 16, 2010 9:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
A number of people had that idea. As far as filling a need without many long-term effects goes, it was a very obvious scenario.
I had little doubt it had been discussed at length before my post.
But when I tell the story outside of the BEdge community, I’m taking credit. :-)
I definitely discounted it because I didn't see why the clippers would do it.
Money talks though, thank lord for that…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
same here
I thought KP would have to add a draft choice, Patty Mills or the rights to one of the Euros
Glad to be wrong, never underestimate the cheapness of Sterling
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The exchange rate shifted again?
I thought the dollar was tanking, and now sterling?
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Good trade since it forces McMillan to use Bayless/Rudy on point
We will finally get to see if Bayless will cut it as a back up point guard – the minutes are now his to loose. McMillian would have continued to play the “safe” option in Blake and Bayless would have been sitting on the bench after Roy’s return. So lets see what Bayless can bring with regular minutes…
Also good for Batum. He will get regular minutes and perhaps McMillan will encourage him to score more.
I tend to agree with Dave Locke (Jazz radio, see above)
losing Steve Blake will hurt Port. Good +/- last 2 years. More Bayless is bad for Blazers.
I’m big on Jerryd, I’ve called him the next Terry Porter. But replacing Blake with Bayless won’t be a net positive for the next 27 games and the playoffs
but the long term benefit of Bayless’ development outweighs the short term “issues” as he learns the PG position. Regardless if the backup “PG” is Rudy or Rex…Roy and Miller
must be on the floor as much as possibleagainst the best defensive teams
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must be on the floor as much as possible
should’ve been italicized. my bad
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I'm not sure
Replacing Blake with Bayless may well be a net positive. Jerryd is inconsistent, but it is hard to say whether this will be net positive or not, in the short term. The upside is definitely there, and sometimes it is coming through in a big way.
In the long term, you are right.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
ya
Even if he doesnt contribute as much as Blake could, it will be in limited minutes regardless(assuming a healthy Roy). The difference isnt something that will cost the blazers games.
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
:SHUDDER:
“Rudy on point”: a phrase that makes me cringe…
You mean you want to see more of Rudy dribbling, passing, and defending quick guys on the perimeter? EEK…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions
no Rudy at point
I hope to see some Patty Mills.
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
Mills is not a PG
he’s a very small shooting guard. Nate might as well play Bayless at backup PG, at least Jerryd has the size to defend most NBA guards
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he's a good passer
even if he’s flashy, if he doesn’t have to dribble the ball up the floor he could be a good distributor
Exactly.
Next to Roy, Rudy is a fine PG. I forget who put it up, but somebody was saying a while ago that between the two guards, a certain number of tasks have to be accomplished. Roy and Rudy should be able to accomplish what a “standard” PG/SG duo could accomplish.
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Yes.
Defense is definitely a question for that pair. They couldn’t be trusted to guard those quicker PGs (Paul, Brooks, etc.). Then again, not many in this league can.
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-Conan O'Brien
Chris Paul commented that Mills was faster than him during the Olympics.
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
CP isn't the fastest guy,
there’s others faster already getting more burn in the NBA than Mills. CP3 is a deadly combination of really quick, big and strong for his position, and smart.
I’d say Monta, Parker, and at least a couple others are faster than Paul.
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
aaron brooks, barrea, rose, nash
could all be faster, just not as talented overall, well nash is, but not as good of a defender.
And if all else fails, Paul will punch you in the testicles!
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I don't understand those who say this trade
merely get us into the playoffs and not into the second round. With Brandon back we have our whole team in place (minus our 2 centers from the beginning of the year). At this point in his career (and Oden’s), Camby will give us as much as Oden. There is no reason to think we can’t get to the second round and beyond.
You would still have a few issues though:
Bayless would run the point for the 2nd unit, whereas it would have been Blake in the playoffs
Juwan Howard is still your back up center, instead of having someone reliable like Przybilla come in for Oden/Camby…
Basically the second unit is weakened… However come playoff time, it’s much more about the starters and less about the bench, but the bench still has to play some minutes
by OT on Feb 16, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
We still have a decent bench:
Scorers (Rudy and Bayless), veteran experience (Howard) and hustle (Dante and Pendy).
Not the best bench, but still reliable.
I like this trade
I think that Camby has a lot of knowledge to share with Greg about playing the position, think about it, Camby is not the biggest guy to ever play center, not the most athletic, but he has had a very nice career because he understands where to be on the floor, and his timing is impeccable. Two things that Greg has needed help with, in fact, those two things are the things Greg needed the most help with. I don’t know if Camby comes back next year, I think that all depends on how his outlook on Portland looks at the end of the season, but I hope that while he is here, he treats his time here like a pro and does what he’s getting paid to do. Play basketball at the level that’s expected, and show some of our youngin’s what’s the what what.
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
#25
while I still can
#7, #10, #25, #52
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by The Arkitect on Feb 16, 2010 9:36 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Another upside of this trade
is that Miller and Canby have played together before. That should help the synergies somewhat.
miller prob likes the trade
as it also shows the Blazers confidence in him
Seems laughable now
that we started this season with Andre on the bench.
wait, it was laughable then too.
yeah and I'm hoping that Dre can facilitate Camby's getting comfortable while he's here
It’s always easier to go to a new place, if there is a familiar face waiting for you
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 16, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
I can't help but think that Bayless is a very happy camper this morning.
He solidifies his spot in the rotation as the #2 point guard and should be getting more consistent minutes now.
Except..Bayless really wants to be number 1
Not al bad, guy seems to need a chip on his shoulder as motivation. THat is not all bad
by Hermistonmelons on Feb 16, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
not to mention
Rudy knows he’ll get more PT than he would’ve if Blake was still around
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I'm pretty sure I called this back in Dave's mailbag
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woohooo!
Tanking time means Novak time for us! Go Dunleavy!!
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by Lawler's Law on Feb 16, 2010 9:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This may impact our guards more than the centers,
just because Blinky was logging so many minutes at the expense of RudyLess. Ironic that Steve had the awesome game in Phoenix just before being traded.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
my thoughts exactly. Bayless will see more minutes. I’d like to see some action from the Australian. I think he could surprise some people. If Bayless is having an off game as the back-up we might some kind of show from Mills.
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Welcome Camby Tonight
So I think the crowd should give a big hello to Camby tonight when his name is called. Show a little love and hopefully cheer him up just a tad.
Wonder what it would take to get Mark Mason (sp?) to pause a little longer than usual when announcing the opponent’s names…
i dont think camby will be playing tonight
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by thomasikehara on Feb 16, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
neither will suit up most likely
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ok bunch of updates posted. headed to shootaround. if you find any good pieces, send them to blazersedge@gmail.com
thanks guys
I hope the Blazer announcers acknowledge Blake and Trav. tonight so the Portland fans can give them a proper send off
they deserve it
#7, #10, #25, #52
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I expect Mike Barrett to have tears in his eyes when he mentions Blake no longer being a blazer...
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
awwwww
the mike’s are buddies with the blakes, so sweet, probably makes other teams watching our feed puke though!
this trade was obviously made to get the mikes to be more objective in announcing
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by thomasikehara on Feb 16, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think KP has that kind of power
#7, #10, #25, #52
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by The Arkitect on Feb 16, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Just a tear?
I expect him to break down on national TV…and Rice to pour out some of his 40 for his homies.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
maybe show them on the bigscrean
behind the clips bench
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by thomasikehara on Feb 16, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
That David Locke guy is trying to have it both ways
He says he’s mad that the clips just traded Camby to a contender for nothing, then says that the Blazers will be hurt too much by having Bayless on the floor for it to matter… HUH?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
And the logjam is broken
What happened to this season???? It went under the surgeon's knife. But its not over yet. Hold tough. This team will be battle hardened. Tough. Honed to a fine edge. They will be playing playoff style – nine man rotation – for a significant portion of the season. Dividends will be paid. - Tiparillo on Dec 15, 2009 11:48 AM PST on Game 26 Preview: Kings vs. Blazers on Blazersedge
But now the Blazers have another logjam at center!
Juwan and Pendergraph need at least 187 minutes per game!
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by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
lol
What happened to this season???? It went under the surgeon's knife. But its not over yet. Hold tough. This team will be battle hardened. Tough. Honed to a fine edge. They will be playing playoff style – nine man rotation – for a significant portion of the season. Dividends will be paid. - Tiparillo on Dec 15, 2009 11:48 AM PST on Game 26 Preview: Kings vs. Blazers on Blazersedge
what the hell?`
You un-recced me! What the what?
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by haildablazer on Feb 18, 2010 2:28 AM PST up reply actions
I'm very thrilled.
I am sad to see Trav go but he will be more effective on another team. We have Inferno now.
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Looks like KP did some shopping over the weekend eh?
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by halo_on on Feb 16, 2010 10:06 AM PST reply actions 13 recs
ha
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by thomasikehara on Feb 16, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
rec hard
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-Conan O'Brien
is there any chance camby plays tonight?
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The more I think about it, the happier I am for Travis not really ever having to play with Miller
I’m glad he and Blake have the opportunity to play with professional All Star caliber point guard. Their game will really improve and should help them come free agency time.
If hatin' Miller is wrong, I don't want to be right - Andre Miller Sucks Forum - Trade Andre Miller Now
Buddy, give it a rest!
This is not about Miller…
Not gonna do it
Can’t do it.
Hate Miller.
If hatin' Miller is wrong, I don't want to be right - Andre Miller Sucks Forum - Trade Andre Miller Now
by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Who?
Are you referring to Baron Davis or Sebastian Telfair? I’m sure a shoot-first point guard will really help Travis’ game… Oh, and you think Blake and Davis will ever play together? Not a chance. And speaking of Telfair, isn’t Bayless just a poor man’s version? Poor outside shooting, drives that get nothing, patheic defense and scoring in garbage time… Your new backup PG.
by Polish Chocolate on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Only one of those guys have been an All Star
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
:EYE ROLL:
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
This has gone beyond normal fan hating and into trolldom.
Please give it a rest when Miller isn’t even being discussed. And even if he is, you don’t need to say he sucks every time his name is mentioned.
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-Conan O'Brien
Consistency has a value all it's own.
And Tom is nothing if not consistent.
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Oh Tom.
The barely concealed troll.
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by haildablazer on Feb 18, 2010 2:30 AM PST up reply actions
Meh
I’ve read worse about other Blazers. I’m just expressing my opinion and want what’s best for the Blazers.
Nice photo
Instead of the kiss of death it’s the “hug of trade”.
Players tend to walk the other way when they see Brandon coming now.
—Dave
no Blakey, no Catfish
the walls are closing in on Roy
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trade thoughts
imma gonna miss travis…. i thought he had one of the most underrated games on the team… plus… his pimped ride is the bomb! lol….
meanwhile… i saw marcus camby play when i was in grad school at umass… he was an amazing college player and while i don’t think he ever matched his college accomplishments in the nba he’s a good player and i think people sometimes forget how good…thing is he’s a moody bitch and only plays when he wants to… which could be a problem… but if it’s a contract year… he might put it all out there to get more than he’s projected to get come this summer…
meanwhile here’s some of marcus’ accolades… in case you’re not familiar with his body of work…
* NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award (2006–07)
* NBA All-Defensive First Team (2006–07, 2007–08)
* NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2004–05, 2005–06)
* NBA All-Rookie First Team (1996–97)
* John R. Wooden Award (1995–96)
* Naismith College Player of the Year Award (1995–96)
* Oscar Robertson Trophy (1995–96)
* The Sporting News College Player of the Year
* Associated Press First-Team All-American (1995–96)
* UPI First-Team All-American (1995–96)
* Basketball Weekly First-Team All-American (1995–96)
* NCAA East Regional Most Outstanding Player (1995–96)
* All-Atlantic 10 First Team (1993–94, 1994–95, 1995–96)
* Atlantic 10 Freshman of the Year (1993–94)
* New Haven Register All-State Team (1992–1993)23
On a Blazers note...
I’m soooo happy for this trade. Renting someone for the rest of the season to fill the hole at center without giving up valuable long term assets??? How did KP do it?!?
Great move that doesn’t hurt us for next season.
Question: Will blake be playing for the clips tonight and camby in a blazer jersey?
So how might this work logistically?
Blake and Outlaw hop onto the Clipper’s plane after this game? And Camby just stays behind in Portland? Must be weird for both….
Pritchard just announced the deal is finalized
No Blake tonight for us and no Camby for the Clips.
Nice move
Really works for all parties, hope Canby can feel at home.
Relax Sophie, you are not the only female here, and I doubt that he meant the question as a way to degrade you. You do call yourself a “princess” after all.
Selling donuts on another planet.
important
More Bayless is bad for Blazers.
Fair assumption that Bayless will not necessarily be better with more minutes. Now that he’s been scouted this season, defenders will more readily defend him strait up , not bailing his drives into the lane by fouling him. He’s an asset for sure, but not a totally positive at this point.
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Hopefully the added minutes/pressure
will force him to add new dimensions to his game. I like the kid and hope he continues to grow and surprise us
his shot has improved tremendously
over the last season. he’s not a finished product. i am just responding in general to those folks who feel this will give Bayless free reign and I don’t think that will happen. I view Bayless as a defensive liability at this point. Not all the time, but very often he’s not been what he should be at the 1 or the 2 defensively. This is a problem. Although, Blake was always a huge defensive liability.
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I agree
Bayless fans will be pissed when he his minutes go to Rudy, Roy, and Miller. The trade is not an endorsement of Bayless.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Miller
it was made clear by KP and co. that he is their PG of now and future, based solely upon his contract (its huge) . Blake had a huge drop off this season and b/c of his contract, I think it was a very smart move for the blazers, if not slightly predictable.
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I guess things like this are relative ...
… but if you are referring to Miller’s contract, I wouldn’t call two years at $7 mil per exactly huge. The fact that the third year is a team option tells us that Andre is a short term option with the chance of proving he should be kept longer.
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I love me some Rudy
But he is going to need to play better before he is in a position to take anyones minutes from them. Blake leaving does open the door for a guard that knocks down threes though. I think Blakes minutes are there for the taking for him, I hope he can do it…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I wasn't endorsing Rudy over Bayless
I was being more general in the sense that if Bayless doesn’t perform, Nate will look elsewhere. Rudy and Bayless are kind of in the same “put up or shut up” situation.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
fa sho
Once Roy gets back, they will probably only have 30 or so minutes to fight it out for tho. As long as one of them steps up and plays well, I will be happy…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I hope it works that way
and not the other way around, where Rudy/Rex “relax” because they know they’ll get some PT even if they aren’t productive
I doubt they’re “hearing any footsteps” from Patty Mills
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I get the broken foot joke. However, I think Mills could put some pressure on Rudy/Rex with his defensive play. If he gets plating time.
Coach K knows an NBA player when he sees one.
“He’s a great guard. He’ll be an NBA guard. I’m very, very impressed. He really has great quickness. And I love him defensively. I’ve been a defensive coach my whole life and there aren’t very many people who stay with the guard, like right on him, when he has the ball, and if he’s beaten, he doesn’t retreat, he continues to play the play.
"
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
no broken foot joke intended
although I see where you could think that. I read the coach K scouting report and the other comments in that article (and others) I’m never going to be high on tiny guards, they aren’t conducive to winning championships. Besides Avery Johnson (and Tony Parker, but he’s got more size) there’s no NBA history of waterbugs doing well in the finals. I’m sure Patty is talented, dedicated and kisses babies, but if he’s the “answer” to the Blazer’s backup PG question, then I don’t want to know the question
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I'm by no means an analyst...
But I’ve felt like bayless plays better D than blake, and sometimes Miller as well, if only for his ability to stay in front of quicker guards…
Of course, I always watch the games through my Red-Black-and-Silver Tinted glasses, so i’m sure i’ve missed his poor D at some point.
he does play better d than blake
quicker lateral movement, anticipates switch and bigger so not as horrible on switch as blake, but by no means a “great” defender is what i meant.
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I’d say he’s the best defensive point we have… which isn’t saying much
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by The Arkitect on Feb 16, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
.. we agree...
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by The Arkitect on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
:)
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I don't have the stats
But I’ve read on here before that Blake has stats that prove he plays better D than Bayless. All the Blake hate clouds any positives he’s ever done. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2010.html – Well I got those stats. Bayless gets credit for being younger but he was out of position way more often than Blake.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
blake have a better PPP defensive rating WHEN Playing w/ brandon
that is what u read. … w/o brandon he’s not effective
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I think Bayless is a better man on man defender
While Blake was a better team defender. The bottom line is that even the best defensive points are going to get beat, the guys that can make appropriate rotations after getting beat are more valuable unless they are getting torched every single posession…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I can go with that
The best way to say it is that Blake, Miller, and Bayless are not good defenders. It’s like the difference between rusty and rusted, no matter how you slice it, rust isn’t good.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
You nailed it
The problem with Bayless being a better man on man defender, though, is that he fouls too much, which lessens his edge over Blake.
But he’s improving, and in the long run he’s going to be a far better defender than either Blake or Miller.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
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Based on usage and remarks ...
… it appears the Blazer coaching staff and announcing team do not agree with you.
That Blake is a poor defender is one of the biggest jokes of fandom knowledge. The only reason I can see that a certaiin segment of the fan base continues to insist that Blake a poor defender is that they are locked into stereotypes – namely that Blake is the slow, unathletic, white guy and therefore can’t possibly play good defense.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
The announcing team?
Since MB and Rice, who are notorious Blake homers, think he is a good defender and an all around fantastic player, no one should think otherwise? There are plenty of bedgers that are more knowledgeable than the Mikes, and whose opinions I would trust more than theirs.
#52
Then check out the Hoopsworld link Ben (or was it Dave) provided.
There is another guy who comments positively on Blake’s defense.
Speaking generally, I think far too many people have let comments about how BE fans are so knowledgeable go to their head. Most fans know far less than they think they do.
As for the two Mikes, they may have their biases and I would not annoint them as the ultimate elavuators of things bb related, but they both have likely watched more games than a large majority of fans here have. And Rice was a coach. None of this makes them infallible, but believing that your average fan (and with only a very few exceptions this description applies to most BEdgers) is more knowledgeable than the Mikes is a sign of taking one’s self more seriously than is deserved.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
No he doesn't.
Bayless spends of lot of time guard no one… watch some video. His “tough d” consists of fouling 40 feet from the hope. He hasn’t taken a charge all season and for how quick he is, never stays in front on anyone. As bad as it sounds, Miller is the best PG defender.
by Polish Chocolate on Feb 16, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As bad as it sounds, Miller is the best PG defender.
Batum, by a mile. Of course Nic is also Portland’s best defender against SGs, SFs, and soft PFs
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let's hope not
I was mostly referring to Nic’s fine work on Dirk the other night
“I am Nicolas Batum. You hurt my shoulder. Prepare to get pwned”
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Blake was always a huge defensive liability.
Not always. Steve did a nice job vs Nash the other night, and Blake’s team defense was as good (if not better) than any other Blazer guard in recent memory
but he’s a Clipper (for now) so there’s no use waxing nostalgic
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Free Patty
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by The Arkitect on Feb 16, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
"I never give in to the temptation to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. That would be too ridiculous"
Jacques Derrida
As long as Broy comes back
His minutes will probably go down if anything. I am not too worried about Rex and Rudy filling in for Blakes minutes. If Roy cant get healthy though….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
This season I worry the most about Rudy
don’t know what his deal is. Must be that he was adequately scouted and is being forced left, as he usually goes right and is guarded more readily when outside the 3 point line. He’s been aweful on defense too , but that’s not a new development and frankly not much of a big deal in my mind. We need Rudy’s offense back , and bad.
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he hasn't been moving off the ball, just camping up top
which concerns me, plus, not to mention his frosted tips are very vujacician (seriously, not joking).
oh jeez
u went there.
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I think he’s just been off, he was scouted by January last year. It’s hard to deal with a back injury and stay in sync.
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by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
i think that is a fare part of the equation.
most certainly . however, he’s not playing as well in many aspects, I refuse to blame it all on back surgery, you know?
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He just looks out of sync, out of the flow. I think he’ll be back next fall.
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by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
hope so
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He is trying to create off of the dribble a lot more than he did last year
I imagine its by design because his place on this team long tem ultimately will be determined by his ability to play a point guardish role next to Roy and Rex. Its not going all that well so far, and his shot is off. If he could get those 3’s to start falling like last year, I could live with the growing pains of him expanding his game. Right now though he is off on both aspects, like you say….
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
actually, he’s been better than Blake this year, and players generally get better as playing time increases. If anything, the more consistent PT will help.
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by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
i hope so
i agree Bayless is better than blake, did I not make that clear?
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Bayless was better at SG than Blake
Blake is a better PG at this time.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
no that is irrelevent bayless will share time w/ miller and rudy (behind roy)
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Who is the backup point guard then?
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
mills? need someone who is not afraid to launch 3s and push the tempo… mills, bayless, rudy, dante, pendy/juwan a little slight at the 4 but LMA can play big minutes and batum can also fill some 4…?
LOL, OMG, I knew it was coming!
The, “Mills is our future, just give him minutes”….Dude has done nothing except take a shot at the end of regualation he should not of
by Hermistonmelons on Feb 16, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
lead guards
Miller, when he’s in the game
Roy, when he’s in the game
A stagnated mess, when they’re not in the game
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I think that Blake was a better shooting guard as he could shoot the 3. Not so good at
the point. He did play very well in Phoenix as a SG. Best game this year.
+/- is so awesome
It’s my favorite stat because it can be used to prove anything. The other day at Atheistsedge I used +/- to prove that there is a god.
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You just blew my mind
I totally made that Atheistsedge stuff up yet I cannot deny the wisdom in what you type.
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My ex-roomie (Big UA Wildcat fan) told me pre-draft . . .
that BRex’s 2nd greatest strength after getting to the rim was his
elevation on his pull up jumper. His ability to bull rush down the floor
and pull up with elevation on the dime can be a great strength when
the defender overplays the drive. With time and experience, he will
refine his shot mechanics and make the PULLUP a weapon.
GO BLAZERS !!!!!
COINCAST SUCKS !!!!
It's GO time !
This will happen
after he doesn’t wear pullups any longer. Baby J-Rex for the win. – Elgin
GOP in HD
I'm kinda sad : (
Travis has been a Blazer for so long. It’s going to be really weird watching him play in another jersey. Say what you want about his defense and his basketball IQ; he is a good guy and really fun to watch play basketball. All the T-Law haters are going to get a weird feeling in their stomachs when they watch Travis dropping crazy jumpers and dunks on us in another uniform.
That being said, I totally understand the trade. Travis probably would have had to leave the team after this year anyway.
One question: The Blazers rebuilding effort was centered around bringing in high character players. Does this describe Camby?
by BangDownLow on Feb 16, 2010 10:38 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Camby is high character. The reason stated for not wanting to leave LA is that his family is settled
in there and they like LA. A creep wouldn’t be concerned about his family. Also felt the same about leaving Denver. So he settles in and doesn’t like to move. Also sounds high character to me.
really?
Camby got into trouble in college (yeah, I know it was a long time ago. I was in college then, too, so I know how long ago it was) when he took a lot of money (and other things) from agents while still in college. His school, UMass, faced NCAA sanctions because of it. See his wikipedia page for more details.
by unblindloyalty on Feb 16, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
KP just annoounced this is a done deal.
Not sure if it says that in the post. Makes the deal feel more official than a tweet of a secondary source.
Ben, great job
with the moment-by-moment multi-media (twitter, BE) updates. I was following this closely through you during the day and it was amazing how fast the information was coming. My, how times have changed!
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
it all got deleted
I couldn’t figure out why my comments were dropping to the bottom, I left and came back in and all the sexism was gone.
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
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Whaaaaat happened?
I swear one of my posts got deleted.
Heh.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're a bad man!
A horrible, awful, chauvinistic bad man!
lol… so i’m feeling a little puk-ish…. so sue me :)
People did sexism when I wasn't here?
See, Sophia, it isn’t ALL my fault!
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Some of us were trying to pick up your slack.
All for naught though as it was deleted.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Most of mine is so subtle
that she doesn’t even notice it, so no one deletes it.
Like, I always call her Sophia, which is a feminine name, and use “her” and “she” to refer to her.
Sexist.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Damn, but you are good.
I never picked up on that.
Mind if I copy from you? I’ll pay royalty fees. Just let me know what address to send the check to.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Dollars in Camby's pocket
I think once Camby gets over the shock of the trade he’ll realize that playing valuable minutes in the playoffs and showing he’s still got it will put many more dollars in his pocket than had he stayed a Clipper. I expect after a handful of games we’ll see an even better Camby than he’s shown this year as he’ll play with fire, similar to what we saw shen Theo was first traded here (not to slander Camby with Theo’s lack of motivation).
he’ll play with fire, similar to what we saw when Theo was first traded here
Ain’t that the truth. The Rattler got paid, then he always had aches and pains
TR was part of the Roy trade though, so his Blazer’s career ended well
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I have tix to tonight's game...
…feels like it’s going to be one of those “awkward moments”. If Camby is there watching do I cheer when they put him on the big screen???
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
yes
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put Marcus on the "kiss cam" with Bayno
if you want to talk about “awkward moments”
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What nickname do we use for Camby and Howard?
The Twin Thirties? The Geritol Towers? LOL
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
I prefer
Pappy
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by The Arkitect on Feb 16, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
classic
Muppet show on youtube is hours of “old school” fun.
I was sharing “Swedish Chef” reruns with my teenage son, a few months ago
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Old and Older
The Blocker and the Baby
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by tominhawaii on Feb 16, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Geezer patrol
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The opponents may get used to "Sir"
As they reject all the weak stuff brought to them
by Hermistonmelons on Feb 16, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
The Blazers will send guard Steve Blake, forward Travis Outlaw and $1.5 million to the Clippers in exchange for the 14-year veteran who is second in the NBA in rebounding at 12.1 per game
by The Thinker on Feb 16, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Cool, PA just saved $1.5 million between the news of earlier this morning and now ;)
That should make him happy
I sense the Vulcans
were playing some hardball with their SoCal counterparts, who never had a chance
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didn't even get the full $3!
what’s MDsr doing to us!!…this is a sad day (sadder?) in clips history…
STEIN_LINE_HQ
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Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
i don't even feel like watching tonight
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
If you don't wanna live in the city that has Voodoo Doughnut
then there’s something wrong with you.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
He will change his mind once he has gone to the Voodoo. Also I am sure that his reaction
was due to his family liking LA and nothing more. Also probably felt a bit unloved by the Clippers org.
I love all the analysis..
This was a great line from the Willamette Weekly..
“How Portland Is He: So Portland. Clean record (aside from the league-standard pot offense in the late ’90s) and active with various charities.”
And did you see the Utah Jazz announcer just thoroughly trash Bayless? He said the positive of this trade was offset by the fact that Bayless will be on the court more since Blake is gone… Are you kidding me???
J-Bay has had his ups and downs.
I certainly wouldn’t call his production reliable.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 16, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I noticed that
He was trying to have it both ways, saying the Camby trade made the Blazers too good, but that somehow they weren’t… HUH?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 16, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I suspect KP told Sterling
that unless Sterling pulled the trigger right away, KP would have Nate play Steve and Travis the full 48 tonight and they were going to dismantle the Clips. Sterling couldn’t hold out until the deadline and cracked under the pressure.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell
Nuggets kicking themselves
The reporting that the Nuggets (already with Birdman and Nene) jumped in at the last second to try to get back Camby suggests to me that perhaps Denver tried to sabotage a division rival from getting a real nice steal. Nice work KP.
the Nugs were trying to get Haywood as well
they’ve got bigger fish to fry, like looking ahead to the WCF in La-La land
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I like the trade basketball-wise
But I feel badly for Travis and Blake – two people I really like – having to go into SterlingWorld for the remainder of the season. I hope they don’t get cursed or tainted by it.
Enjoy a few months in the Southern California Sun, guys! Thanks for your time and effort you put in to my Blazers. I will cheer for both of you forever.
And welcome to Marcus Camby! Hope you enjoy your stay in Portland, even though I suspect you’ll be renting and not buying. Get yourself a nice condo in the Pearl and don’t fall for the gated community crap.
the expiring contracts make it all more palatable.
They won’t be there for long if they do not want to be…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Completely.
I agree with this. I guess I’ve known that TO and Blakey weren’t going to be here much longer, but I’m still sad to see them go.
reminds me of Darnell Valentine
he got traded to the Clips back in the ‘80s, and he was “happy and shiney” when he reported to their team. A SoCal writer joked that the trainer rushed forward to take his temperature because "doesn’t he know" he just got sent to NBA purgatory?
It’s a little better now for Steve and Catfish. They only have to “do penance” for a few months
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My favorite Blazer is now a Clipper.... SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!!
I’m really hoping this just turns out to be a bad nightmare…
This deal is going to come back to haunt us like bad karma always does. Oh I’m sure all the trade-crazy psuedo fans feel good having their attention deficits reduced with that Oreo cookie, but this trade does nothing to improve the future success of the team.
First of all, the PTB traded great chemistry guys in Outlaw and Blake. Now I’m sure this doesn’t mean much to the band wagoners, but anybody who bleeds red and black ought to remember the value of chemistry. How unsensational to hear Camby is bringing his displeasure about the deal into our locker room. Not only is Camby going to bring his bad attitude into Portland, he’s only doing so for the rest of the season. Great. No way is Camby going to be here next year, so even if one assumed Travis and Blake went separate ways next year, the team just paid for a $3 million frown.
Now that Blake is gone, we’ll be able to see just how “unready” Bayless is to take over the PG duties. Long term future… PG…. Bayless?? Please. That’s about as realistic as the idea of Rudy becoming a PG.
I hate to 2nd guess KP, but what he SHOULD have done was let this season evaporate, allow Travis to find a niche on another team should he choose, and let GOOD karma run its course. Blake was another guy the team could have allowed to decide his own fate. So KP I hope pandering to all the geeked out fantasy obsessed ritalin abusers was worth it, because typically appreciation isn’t recognized until something is taken away from us.
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
by bow4meow on Feb 16, 2010 11:26 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
ah jeez
Sorry about trout going, I would feel the same way about Rudy. I just dont see how this hinders us in the future, its not like KP couldnt get Trav back this offseason if he really wanted to. In the short term, this team is much better. Camby will adjust and he will really help the team. Gotta get that playoff experience with this todler-esque group. It will also be nice to have a defensive minded center that does a lot of the same things Oden does defensively. Our team needs as much work on that end of the floor as possible in my opinion.
You should be happy for trout though, he is going to get a much better opputunity in LA to get big minutes and prove his value. There simply wouldnt have been very many minutes for him here with Nic, Webster, LA, and possibly even Dante ahead of him in the rotation. I think he might have hit his ceiling on this team, which seemed to be a 20mpg or scorer off the bench. In LA he has a chance to prove he can be a starter in this league…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
Chemistry is important. Juwan Howard is new to the team this year and has added the very much
needed chemistry of a leader in the locker room. Esp with Roy out. Miller is quiet so probably doesn’t speak up much in the locker room but in combo with Juwan BOTH have provided needed veteran composure on the court. Both have been in the playoffs more than once.
Camby is a great locker room guy: "The kids in the locker room look up to him and the coaching staff thinks he hangs the moon. "
He initial reaction to the trade “upset” is because his family is settled into and likes LA. Not exactly a BAD GUY with a bad attitude.
Camby will play well regardless because he is in a contract year.
We do not know that Przybilla will be back or when.
Juwan needs a break.
Travis could re-sign with the Blazers.
I hope that Blake doesn’t. I do want to see what Bayless does or does not do and go from there. At least if Bayless doesn’t catch on then the Blazers will KNOW. Sooner rather than later.
I say LET’S TAKE A POSITIVE STANCE ON THIS ONE.
And let’s not make Camby’s welcome the same as Miller’s.
by Natsthecat on Feb 16, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rec this.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Rec
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As someone who would have been fine if this trade hadn't gone down ...
… may I respond?
I think you may be letting the dissappoint of seeing two guys that both of us like very much leaving get to you. By most of the accounts we are seeing, Camby is a considered a good teammate. The fact he was unhappy hearing the news should most likely be shrugged off as his being caught by surprise and also his being happy with his current situation. It’s a natural human reaction. Shouldn’t mean he’ll be bringing a negative attitude to Portland.
As for Bayless’ ability to be the backup PG, I don’t see that as being super critical. As much as Blake was my favorite at PG, by removing one guy from the board, minutes and roles may shake out a little easier. And we still have Mills sitting at the end of the bench in the unlikely event Bayless falls apart.
The part I do agree with you on – and the reason I would have been fine if no trade had gone down – is the potential impact to team chemistry. Looking only at the numbers and taking account of conventional wisdom, the trade for Camby makes good sense. Portland needs a center and Camby is a perhaps the best fit out there that was also available. The Blazers are also a bit guard heavy and also have guys playing Travis’ position that at a minimum have demonstrated his loss should not be crippling. Still, one never really knows just how much impact good team chemistry has on a team’s success. I tend to think that there have been successful teams whose chemistry was nothing to write home about and teams that were primarily successful because of great chemistry. In the end, I have to side with my head and not my heart and conclude the Blazers have likely made a good move.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I don't.
Nor did I state positively that it would go down. What I think I know is that the team currently has a very positive chemistry. Any time you make a change, you potentially risk upsetting that. Doesn’t mean it is going to happen. Nor does it mean I think Camby will have any difficulty fitting in. If anything, I expect him to see this as an opportunity to showcase his impact and perhaps help him get a decent contract from someone next season.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I’m hearing his former teammates and coaches were pretty much all lauding Camby as a professional player. And I would agree that Travis by all accounts was a positive influence with his humorous personality. Steve kept the work ethic high. Just pointing out that since you seem to dislike amateur coaching from the outside, amateur psychology could be just as wrong. And a number of amateur GMs called this deal among those possible, too ;-)
by Norsktroll on Feb 16, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying not to play amateur psychologist ...
… by saying I have to side with my head and agree it sounds like a good deal by KP.
I would have been ok either way. And since Pritchard did the deal, I’m going to assume he gave the team chemistry issue its due diligence and concluded the benefits of adding Camby outweigh any potential chemistry issues. He’s in a better postion to judge than me.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
l think you got it here
Even if Camby doesnt fit into the team all that well locker room wise, his play on the court will likely make up for it. The difference between him and Juwan is huge, he would have to be a real cancer to bring down the team enough that we would have been better off with Juwan as our only “center”. I think that is highly unlikely though. He is a vet, and winning games breeds chemistry. I expect this team to finish the season strong if they can get Roy back and healthy. Should be an exciting finish…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Bayless not ready...
Like the deal but worried about backup point guard. Bayless is not a legit NBA pg right now. The o stalls when he’s not shooting. He’s a work in prgress who shouldn’t be running a playoff contending unit. (off guard is another matter)
Also Blake spreads
by seablaz on Feb 16, 2010 11:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Meh....it's backup PG.
It’s not like he needs to run the team 36 mpg. Plus, it is likely Roy or Miller is on the floor with him at all times.
"I think he’s been doing some good things. I think he’s been doing some good things. He’s had to play a lot of minutes lately with Blake being out. I think he’s been doing some good things." -Nate McMillan
I disagree
There are things I don’t like about Jerryds game. It has to do with things I think he will improve on. Finishing drives with scores as an example.
Jerryd works hard and gets to the Free Throw Line. We have Miller, Roy and Fernandez to split minutes pretty well on nights Jerryd is “Off”….I think we will be ok
by Hermistonmelons on Feb 16, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Basketball-wise
We just traded two guys who were not giving us very much who played two positions where we’re overcrowded
for
A Center. Of which, until today, we had none. And a functional, 12 rpg center at that.
basketball-wise, short term, this is a big win.
I feel bad for the guys involved in the trade, but this is a great win for us.
by sagcat on Feb 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I have been preaching roster balance since day one.
I just wish AK was here to back me up on this.
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If Bayless starts then he won't have to be
a ‘NBA PG’. Roy will have the playmaking duties between 60%-75% of time anyways. Bayless has just got to be ready to defend starting PGs and hit the open shot. Miller should continue starting but hopefully Bayless’ minutes will steadyly increase in the next 27 odd games. Am really happy that Blake is gone. Appreciate what he has done but Nate over-used him to the extent that I can’t apreciate him anymore. Later Fish, hope you have better luck in LaLa land.
BTW will Camby play for us tomorrow or not?
by VinnyB on Feb 16, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
doesnt matter... Bayless has been very inconsistent as a scorer and I'm not ready to prognosticate as to how more minutes will affect him.
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
I love this trade.....
really I do…. this might just save us this season… If Camby is in that OKC game, we win…
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Absolutely Terrible Trade
We just traded way to much for a rental. Camby is over the hill I was more comfortable with Howard in the post.
by RipCityRoyCity on Feb 16, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions
Inappropriate
What if he was recovering? How would you feel about what you wrote, then?
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I don't think I wanna smoke anything that gives me that outlook
If he was recovering, I would not feel bad about whta I just wrote. Suck it up and quit being so “Mommas Boy, PC Correct everyone coddle me”, LOL
by Hermistonmelons on Feb 16, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Would someone please tell me why we'd want to resign Outlaw?
We just cleared a logjam at our forward positions. Why would we resign him?
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
hes a baller
The one...
The only...
Steve Blake fan!!!!
by Starvin' Marvin on Feb 16, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Why would they? Chemistry issues and he's athletic.
That being said, if I was KP, I probably wouldn’t bring him back. Not without another deal happening first to deal Webster, which probably isn’t likely either.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I wouldnt be against it if KP decided to trade Webster...
Otherwise, it makes little sense…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
To the Clips, yes
He kept making 3s.
Give Blake the MLE in 2010!
Farewell to #2 and #25, good luck to you!
#7 #10 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
My thoughts exactly.
Unless Webster goes, I don’t see enough reasons for us to go after him again. Even more ridiculous is the idea of going after Blake again.
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
woot woot
I feel like I did at the beginning of the season…..
Portland Trail Blazers - where injuries and people come together"
what's he gonna say on the radio?
We’ll know how happy he is in the Summer when he decides whether he will return to Portland for another year.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
well, he coulda acted like Dre did…
#7, #10, #52
Pie Doesn't Win Championships, Cake Wins Championships
by The Arkitect on Feb 16, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
That's not definitive.
Also, I think his immediate reaction is a legitimate human response. If I were in the NBA (believe me, I’ve given this a lot of thought since I was about 9) I don’t think I’d like to be a piece of meat that was traded to just anywhere and have to act like I liked it. If I were traded to someplace of which I had a negative opinion, say… Indianapolis, I think I’d be quite upset.
And like it or not, Portland isn’t a sexy destination for wealthy, young, famous men. Not like LA or New York. That’s not a bad thing. Portland fits ME like a glove. I love it here.
So overnight he gets to sleep at the Benson – oops, Sterling probably has them at a Motel 6 off 205 – and he saw the upside. Now he’s happy with it. Or at least making the best of it.
So in three months after living out of a hotel room most likely, if he decides he wants to settle in another one of the fine NBA cities in our beautiful country, I’ll wish him the best. But it won’t mean he didn’t have a happy three months as a merc 5 for the Blazers.
What's not definitive?
Your comment isn’t very clear on that.
What sports fans tend to misunderstand is that when celebrities talk to the press, it is equivalent to a job interview for you and me. Most of the time, the goal is not to say the wrong thing.
One can try to interpolate what the celebrity actually “feels” from an interview, but to take it at face value is pretty naive.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Finally a move!
I like it. I think it is 50-50 whether we will see Marcus in a Blazer uniform next year. But we are finally cutting the ranks at guard and small forward.
I think Travis is a loss. His scoring was critical to our success last year.
And while I respect Steve for his hard work and leadership, I think it will be good for the team and for Brandon Roy’s development to go it without him.
Plus it means no more make believe fast breaks! No more attack by retreat. No more defensive play on offense at our point guard position.
I will enjoy this team more after this trade, methinks.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
I wonder...
…has this happened before? A deal between two teams concluded on the day the two teams play?
Seems super awkward for the players involved, are they even allowed in the stadium? Are they allowed into a locker room or to either side of the floor if they are? If they were to be allowed it seems like they would disrupt things for their previous team regardless of which they were allowed to fratenize (sp?) with.
This is all making my head hurt. I just hope we win on Friday. I hate KG, I feel like we still owe him for barking at Bayless.
With a hat-tip to the guys at 95.5 this morning for the idea
When Camby arrives in the Portland lockerroom for the first time, I think Rudy should introduce Aldridge to Camby.
Rudy: "LaMarcus, aqui esta El Marcus"
by unblindloyalty on Feb 16, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Any word from Brandon Roy yet on this deal?
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Here ya go Bow
It’s kind of sad. Brandon’s not having a good month.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/02/the_camby_trade_another_challe.html
McLovin it.
I like Camby’s character and Tude and he’s played with Dre before.I think the emergence of Dante and PenderBender had lot’s to do with Trav leaving.Same with JBay and Steve,Plus same with Dre.Happy Trails,Happy Trails.Sorry you guys had to go to the Clips,though.That Sucks.Right on KP wins again.
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