Trade Drawer Feb 1 - Realistic Centers
Another month, another attempt to shore up the roster. KP has stated to no one's surprise that "big man" is the biggest need on this team right now if one should get addressed. A need for the rest of the season and especially to have a chance in the playoffs with both Greg and Joel out - and potentially as an alternative beyond that considering Greg's 1 for 3 healthy seasons so far and the uncertainty if Joel will come back to full form after an even more serious injury. Here are some that might work for both sides (and do work as the rosters are currently constructed under salary cap rules) in no order of preference. Cash, picks and draft rights might be added for some deals from either side to push a deal over the top.
1. Samuel Dalembert: Philadelphia trades Sam Dalembert and filler (e.g. Rodney Carney or Jason Smith because they have 14 players under contract) for Joel, Travis, Patty.
Why Portland does it: The Blazers get a legitimate 7-footer back who ranks in the top 20 among centers, can give you about 8 points and 8 to 9 rebounds in 25 minutes which is about what he could play even with a healthy Greg like Joel did now, is a strong shot blocker good for 1 to 2 per game, who also has some limited playoff experience and is a high character guy.
Why Philly does it: Philadelphia has been trying to get out from under Dalembert's deal for quite some time. He is clearly overpaid for what he does and is owed almost $13 million next season. They pay Elton Brand a boatload of money to be their go-to big man and know he is untradable with that deal. They have Marreese Speights as their 22 years old center in waiting, who already puts up better numbers than Dalembert in less minutes. And they won't make any noise in the playoffs even if they reach them. As for the players Portland sends out, Joel costs them half as much as Dalembert, Travis is expiring and until then they could use him as an additional wing off the bench once he gets healthy, and Patty is a nice filler with upside (they have Royal Ivey as the 3rd backup PG expiring, who has zero upside). And Philly instantly saves 2+ million this year.
Why it might not happen: Dalembert's contract expires after next season. They might think that since they now held onto him for so long, they might just as well ride it out with him and see if a team wants him at the next deadline as a trade chip.
2. Marcus Camby: This possibility has been rumored in the press. Camby's contract is expiring, so while he gets up there in years the Blazers might be interested in him as a stop-gap for the rest of the season and the Clippers might be interested to get a younger player out of him in return. Clippers and Blazers have a full roster, so both teams have to send the same number of players unless a third team gets involved.
Trade 1: Camby and filler (e.g. Steve Novak expiring) for Joel and Travis (expiring).
Trade 2: Camby and Brian Skinner (expiring) for Blake and Travis (both expiring).
Why Portland does it: Camby is a legitimate big man for the rest of the season who can play two positions if needed, is a very good weakside defender and shot blocker, and this seasons even has a higher PER than e.g. LaMarcus mostly thanks to his fantastic defensive rebounding rate (33%, 12 per game).
Why LA does it: They get younger players who they can try out, and the deal could be configured so that they lose nothing if it doesn't work out and just let them expire like they probably would with Camby.
Why it might not happen: Well, why really? Either because the Clippers like the depth Camby provides and still hope to make the playoffs (doubtful), or because the Blazers think they can make the playoffs without another big guy and/or are reluctant to give up anybody for a short-term solution.
3. Chris Kaman: This one sounds more out of left field, but Kaman might also be the player the Clippers want to send out. As said, Clippers and Blazers have a full roster, so both teams have to send the same number of players unless a third team gets involved.
Trade: Chris Kaman, Brian Skinner (expiring), Steve Novak (expiring) for Joel, Travis (expiring, maybe the Clippers would demand at least Martell instead), Jeff. The Blazers likely would also have to add other non-player assets here.
Why Portland does it: Kaman is putting up borderline All-Star numbers this season: 20, 9, 1. He's top 15 among centers in PER, he plays 36 minutes. He is 27. He would be a legitimate starter next to LaMarcus with Greg coming off the bench when returning from injury - or if anything goes wrong re Greg's future durability. If Greg is healthy, it could be considered the best low-post rotation in the league.
Why LA does it: Kaman's contract runs two more years, at $11.3 million and $12.2 million. That's quite a lot of money. More importantly, saving half of that if they only had to pay Joel would put the Clippers in an even better position to be a player for a true star in the free agency market this summer. Then they could have the room for a max player (they are at around $36 million in committed salary at this point for next year). They could also use a wing upgrade, with the wildly inconsistent and older than you would think Al Thornton (27) and rather-SGs Ricky Davis (blarg) and Rasual Butler currently as their best options there.
Why it might not happen: Kaman is good, so other teams could probably top such an offer from the Blazers. Since they have Eric Gordon, inserting a player like Rudy instead of a SF wouldn't really help to push this over the top. The Clippers depend on Kaman's production right now. So trading him would be an obvious signal to the fanbase that they are tanking the rest of the way this season.
4. Nazr Mohammed: The top center you have never heard about, or forgotten about since his time in Detroit. Well, he is very efficient this year (21.5 PER), although in limited minutes (avg. 16) but playing in 46 games so far.
Trade 1: Nazr Mohammed and D.J. Augustin (potentially Acie Law instead) for Travis, Steve, maybe Juwan OR Jeff (financially it would work without).
Trade 2: Nazr Mohammed and Derrick Brown (2011 unguaranteed) and maybe a draft pick for Steve, Juwan, Jeff.
Trade 3: Nazr Mohammed for Joel straight up. But that would make little sense especially financially for Charlotte.
Why Portland does it: Mohammed would be a solid addition to the rotation for the rest of the season. Like Joel, Mohammed has an Early Termination Option for the next season leaving $6.8 million on the table. And like Joel, he is unlikely to use it. That would make him a bit overpaid, but not grossly if he can sustain this performance in any shape or form, and he likely wouldn't complain about being only the 3rd option for one year once Greg and Joel could both return to action.
If the Blazers are lucky, they might even convince the Bobcats to give up one of their young backup PGs with D.J. Augustin or alternatively Acie Law. The former lottery picks seem to have fallen out of favor with their coaches and might benefit from a change of scenery. It not, their contracts soon run out (Law expiring, Augustin 1 year left with 2011/12 as a team option).
Why Charlotte does it: It is a cheap way for them to shed some salary (the owner is rumored to be looking for a buyer for quite a while). Charlotte is one of the few teams currently employing 4 centers (Chandler, Mohammed, Diop, Ajinca), with the addition of Boris Diaw being able to play it in a stretch like he did for Phoenix while Amare was out. Larry Brown likes veterans, similar to Nate I could see him really really like Steve Blake as part of his rotation. Weirder things have happened under Brown's tenure in Charlotte. Travis would give them a solid backup to both Wallace at 3 and Diaw at 4 for the rest of the season and potentially beyond.
Why it might not happen: Larry Brown wants to compete in the playoffs, and he's not completely in love with what Chandler has been bringing to the team. The Bobcats also might want to prefer giving up DeSagana Diop instead of Mohammed. That one is a no-go to me. Thanks to the "Mark Cuban big man retirement fund" he will roughly make $6.5, $6.9 and $7.4 million (player option) over the next 3 years of his contract. That's way too much for a player who has not scored more than 10 points in a game this season. Similarly I would not want to take on Alexis Ajinca. He once seemed to be a decent idea also as a companion to Nicolas and doesn't cost you an arm and a leg, but he turned out to not even make his d-league team better. The Bobcats so far were not ready to accept the "sunk costs" and picked up the next year of his rookie contract at $1.5 million, but that will likely be it unless he has a miraculous breakout.
4b) Another wrinkle could be Tyson Chandler (1 year left at $12.6 million if the does not opt out, which is likely) and Derrick Brown for Joel and Steve/Travis. But to this deal both sides could easily say no. Chandler is potentially much better than Mohammed, and 5 years younger, yet has been battling foot problems that made his performance drop. So currently he is overpaid for what he does right now.
5. Emeka Okafor: The man the Hornets swapped for Tyson Chandler with the Bobcats, which seemed like a pretty odd deal for both teams. Averaging 11, 10 and 1.7 this season (slightly below his career numbers).
Trade: Emeka Okafor and James Posey (or Mo Peterson) for Steve, Travis (alternatively Martell but not as financially attractive with the longer contract), Joel, Jeff.
Why Portland does it: Okafor can play both the 4 and 5 spots. He would be a long-term insurance for not only Greg but also LaMarcus. Having three legitimate big guys in or before their prime (Okafor is 27) would be a pretty potent rotation, a bit like what the Blazers tried by making the big contract offer to Millsap. While the discussion about drafting Okafor or Dwight Howard #1 seems a bit silly in retrospect the way things worked out, Okafor is by no means a bust but a strong defensive center who also brings more offensive firepower than Joel. Adding another veteran might be something Nate would like.
Why New Orleans does it: Okafor's contract is loooooong and expensive. He is owed about $53 million remaining after the current season until 2014. Shipping him out also would enable the Hornets to not have to offer David West for sale. Especially if they could bundle him with another pretty bad contract like Posey or Peterson. In this deal they would instantly save $2 million this season, and begin saving beaucoup bucks next season and ever since with the ability to bring back who they want out of those players.
Why it might not happen: Either team has reason to not do this deal. As long as both Greg and LaMarcus are healthy, having Okafor in addition could be considered overkill. And overpaying for a rotation that while strong is not really All-Star quality and with the potential for one player always being a bit disgruntled that he doesn't get as many minutes as he would like. For New Orleans, with Paul out and Okafor shipped out the season would pretty immediately go in the tank. Maybe not the signal they want to send to a fanbase that they are trying to keep fighting this year, and keep building for the future. In terms of saving money, they might be even more interested to bundle Okafor with Peja to save even more, and Portland can't do that. A team like Houston could by sending them T-Mac.
6. Brendan Haywood, DeShawn "LeBron stopper" Stevenson and Javaris "have gun, will travel but not play anymore in the NBA" Crittenton for Rudy, Nicolas and Joel Przy-filler to make the contracts match. Sure, Ernie Grunfeld, great to do business with you.
Why Portland does it: Haywood would be a nice addition for the rest of the season. And KP wanted to get slapped in a deal just to know how it feels. Sarge said it felt good launching into a shouting match with Andre just like in the old days, so he wants more of that.
Why Washington does it: Where do we sign? No, really, where?
Why it might not happen: Those minced oath Blazers and their fans overrating their young guys so much.
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The Camby trade looks decent.
Everything else, not so much. I would go for Haywood, but I think it would cost us too much.
for some reason i really hate the "not so much" phrase
because my geometry teacher uses it like every sentence and now i cringe when i hear it. nothing against you though. and he also has a super annoying voice and a lisp and it is more annoying that way.
Does he use it in "like"
every other sentence or does he actually use it in every other sentence?
by BrewDude on Feb 2, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Almost certainly in like every other sentence.
Using it in actually every other sentence would be extremely challenging.
Don’t diss on like. It’s a useful word.
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behind the curve
If you buy into this becoming a lost season for the Blazers, one of the most unfortunate parts is that Nate gets a pass, because of all the injuries. If a championship is the true goal, then this crappy offense HAS to be evaluated, regardless of who the 4 posts are. Last year, Mike Brown was Coach of the Year, and still almost lost his job for running the same offense. All Lebron all the time didn’t work for Cleveland, just as it won’t work in PDX.
Regardless, it really isn’t fair of KP to make the players go out without someone to guard the basket. Of today’sl list, I would love Camby, but with Griffin out, doubt LAC will trade him. Remember, Dunleavy is GM and Coach, and needs to win enough to fool Sterling into thinking he is doing well. 2nd choice is Dalembart, not certain I would offer the same players. What I like most about Dalembart, is next year he is a 12mm expiring that could be traded, if Pryz/Oden are both back.
Given the amount of possible savings by NO on the Okafor deal, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see it, especially if they thought it might be possible to collect insurance on Pryz next season. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz9dle5 This is Okafor/Posey for Blake/Outlaw/Webster/Dante/Rudy. 5 for 2. We might even get to bring back Shav!!
You cant trade 5 for 2 - most days we only have 7 or 8 healthy players
That would be the whole team!
The harder part of this question may be what are we willing to give up.
I want a center who can play defense and grab boards. I think this makes Haywood, Camby and Dalembert most intriguing. Kaman is just a big body that shoots jumpers (and I couldn’t stand looking at the Caveman every night). I have never been that impressed with Okafor. Mohammed looks decent in limited minutes this year, but not exactly a force inside.
If we don’t want to give up any talent and just expirings then we are going to take on a lot of salary. That would be Dalembert or Okafor. I like Dalembert but that contract is nasty. Way too much risk with either of these. Awful lot of money to pay a backup next year.
If we are willing to trade an expiring + opportunity (something Rudy-esque or picks) then Camby and Haywood are the best option. Honestly, I think this is our best option. Clearly Batum + Rudy for Haywood is absurd. But what about just Rudy? Maybe its too much, but we might be getting to the point where we have to start making some difficult decisions. At some point, Rudy is not going to be happy getting 20 minutes a game when he could be a starter on a lot of other teams. Injury after injury solved the logjams this year. What about next year?
I think Camby or Haywood make the most sense. Try and package Joel/Outlaw/Blake in some fashion with a pick. That would be ideal. For me, I would actually be willing to include someone like Rudy (and I love Rudy). I am certain I am in the minority here. But if we could add some size and defense inside, Roy is back, we are a team that can be a real contender. As is, I am a little less hopeful.
At some point, Rudy is not going to be happy getting 20 minutes a game when he could be a starter on a lot of other teams.
While this is probably true, it doesn’t mean KP should put Fernandez into a deadline deal for just anyone. Ideally, KP should save his Rudy “chip” for a blockbuster deal that acquires a missing piece to a championship team. If “that” deal doesn’t materialize in the next couple of weeks, then KP needs to keep the 5 card in his breast pocket
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I like Dalembert
He has 11 straight games with double digit rebounds, what I’m hearing is that Philly is on the verge of selling everything and trying again next year. Since they’re just trying to dump, I think we could get him for Trout and Steve. Which for a big man that’s exactly what we need, that’s not to much.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Trout and Steve is a no go. Not enough money going out to Philly.
Joel or Miller would have to be involved, and I wouldn’t give up Miller for him. Joel + Steve or Trout for Dalembert makes a lot of sense for both teams. Splash around some money, picks, a rookie like Mills, and it couldnt definitely happen. I really think Joel + Steve could get it done. Our team would be much improved with Sammy instead of Blake for this season. And we get a more reliable backup/insurance center next season.
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
Philly would do it for sure.
Anything to get him off their books, probably wouldn’t even need to add a pick or anything.
I used to be called Nick Van Excellent, but I wasn't really all that excellent.
by The Running Man on Feb 1, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Blake, Outlaw and Martell would get 'er done
but that leaves Philly with Webster’s 5 mil/year deal, so unless they really like Marty that might be a non-starter
but like I wrote below, if KP deals Joel to the Sixers and Przy excercises his “early termination option” then Philly would be off the hook for Joel’s salary
and then KP could turn around and offer Przy the MLE+escalators on July 1
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I would be ok with the Canby deal
Dalembert would help a lot but how well or even if Joel comes back makes any thing but a rent a 5 a dicey proposition
Mohammad, Okafor, or Camby
All make sense because they could be a stopgap at C this year and then move to a backup 4/5 role next year, getting 25-30 minutes a game between the two positions. A rotation of Oden (25), LMA (35), _ (20-25), and Pendy/Cunningham (10-15) would be pretty sweet.
I think you have to ship Outlaw, and probably Blake as well. Not sure if you ship Przy as he has basically no trade value right now. Przy would also be an insurance policy if you went after Camby and he didn’t resign (or Oden didn’t come back healthy).
Pricewise
Okafor is expensive but he could be traded next year if we don’t need him any more as he’s still a relatively young, productive big.
Camby’s expiring, so no worries there. If he wants serious coin at the end of the year we give move on and look for another Juwan Howard. Or the current Juwan Howard.
Mohammad is reasonable as well, even as a longer-term solution as a backup 4/5.
by dwaynebillybob on Feb 1, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I agree completely with this.
Especially if we can hold onto Joel, Rudy and Nic.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Washington post reports....
Haywood’s name has been linked with Portland in recent weeks, especially since the Trail Blazers have lost centers Greg Oden (fractured kneecap) and Joel Przybilla to injury. It’s a natural connection, but from what I’ve heard the Wizards were actually in talks with Portland before Przybilla ruptured in his right patella tendon and dislocated his patella in late December. According to a league source, they had discussed a swap of Haywood for Przybilla, which obviously collapsed when Przybilla crumpled to the ground.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/02/wizards-trade-rumors.html?wprss=wizardsinsiderThe Blazers remain interested in Haywood, since they’ve been relying on soon-to-be 37-year-old Juwan Howard at center in recent weeks. They reportedly declined a deal for Haywood that would’ve cost them Rudy Fernandez and Nicolas Batum. I know the Wizards asked for a lot there, but I wouldn’t close the books on discussions about Haywood or Fernandez. Fernandez has been unhappy with his role in Portland, according to a league source.
I don't get it
The last sentence saying that Rudy is unhappy here. From everything I’ve read, including his blog he seems to be happy. Also you can tell by his body language that he is OK with his role on this team so far, it’s not like Sergio or Channing last year. And since when does the league pay attention to us, especially since most of them don’t know we have had 210+ games missed due to injury already.
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
Rudy might be OK with everything right now, but he's not going to be supper happy coming off the bench forever.
He’s already grumbled about his role a few times. Didn’t seem too happy about Hedu coming here.
I seriously doubt the Blazers will be able to resign Rudy for the amount of money he could get on the market.
I used to be called Nick Van Excellent, but I wasn't really all that excellent.
by The Running Man on Feb 1, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I think the BE mantra
is anything we hear that doesn’t agree with our pre-conceived notions about the team must be false, so a source that says Rudy might be unhappy must be wrong.
#52
Its wrong because its from Washington
K? :)
A positive attitude will not solve all of your problems but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright
Keep the faith.
or
it’s wrong because it contradicts the only legitimate source – Rudy
Of course
it’s impossible that Rudy could ever have expressed concerns to someone about his role at some point, and players never say anything in private that aren’t completely in line with their public statements on the record, either. I know that Andre Miller didn’t care at all about starting in November and December because he said he was fine with coming off the bench, and a player’s public statements are always indicative of exactly how they feel.
I’m not saying the “league source” was definitely right, but I think it’s funny how anything about the team that doesn’t fit the “everything’s A-OK” theme about the team gets immediately dismissed here because a) it’s the Oregonian and they’re just creating controversy because they need to save their dying paper with more pageviews, b) it’s the national media and they’re biased against small-town teams, or c) David Stern is trying to kill our team because it will devastate league revenues to have the premier team in a small town.
#52
Dont be so pessimistic
Rudy is fine until his contract is up.
A positive attitude will not solve all of your problems but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright
Keep the faith.
I really have no issue with Rudy
and I agree that there’s no real issue, more with the general dismissal of any source that doesn’t fit into what we already think. Heck, half of BE thinks Quick is just some hack writer maliciously creating controversy where none exists for some reason.
#52
Rudy is fine unless his role diminishes
As long as he’s getting regular minutes and isn’t being asked to only be a spot-up shooter in Nate’s offense, he’ll be OK
I still don’t think #5 remains in PDX until the end of his rookie contract, though. Part of the reason that Fernandez has found PT at SG is because Roy has played some “3” in the past, and that’s about to change with the emergence of Batum and Webster (not to mention the coming of age of Bayless, this season) Even if Blake is dealt, the minutes will still be tight at the 1-2. Rudy’s best chance for a Blazer future starring role is to be part of a lineup/rotation with Brandon, Nic and Bayless, after Miller’s gone in a year or two. There’s a lot of things that can happen between now and then.
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or
there’s nothing to it and someone is manufacturing drama. It’s speculation at this point, and nothing more until you have a legitimate source. Gossip for the purpose of drawing attention to oneself.
Is it plausible? Maybe. But that isn’t enough to start upchucking general platitudes. When you generalize about sentiment in a public forum, you run the risk of oversimplifying your “analysis” – and you overstepped grossly.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 2, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Read any comment section after a Quick article that suggests things might not be all puppy dogs and rainbows. Read any comment section any time the national media writes anything that suggests there might be issues in Portland. See how many attacks there are on the writer’s credibility and dismissing the content of the piece and the writer himself as a joke, then get back to me about the use of platitudes.
#52
generalize about commenters and you include me in your mistake
i’ll object, and you will still be wrong
While the "league source" comment about Rudy is dubious...
Washington would have a much, much better chance of getting him from the Blazers than they would trying to get Batum.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
ya the writer is just recycling old info
and frankly unless we are getting caron and jamison i dont think KP has any intention of even discussing Batum
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 2, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
league source? Round up the usual suspects
if Mark Warkentein told A-Woj that Rudy is unhappy, then it must be so
and you thought that this kind of gamesmanship only went on leading up to draft day?
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Blake & Rudy for Haywood?
Solves Wizzards need for a pg for the rest of the season (and it expires) & they get a great player in Rudy & we get the big guy we need. Works in the trade machine, Any takers?
Losing Rudy would hurt, especially if Haywood walked this offseason, but I think I just might pull the trigger on that deal. It's a risk, but I think a good one.
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by dario argento on Feb 1, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
That's a little rough.
Giving up Rudy to rent a center for the rest of the season? I think KP already said they wouldn’t do a move unless it made sense past this season.
I used to be called Nick Van Excellent, but I wasn't really all that excellent.
by The Running Man on Feb 1, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Camby trade makes the most sense as a stop-gap for the season
I doubt the Clippers want two injured guys in a trade, though.
"In Batum's case he must realize he is very likely the first Blazer to successfully fight over a pick all season..."
-Ben
Also, they're not getting any value. Camby's contract is already expiring. What are they gaining?
I say there is no way LA does that deal. I would like it though.
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by dario argento on Feb 1, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
You might be able to interest them with a young player like Rudy or Rex, but at that cost I wouldnt bite if I was KP…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I am heavily in favor of getting Dalembert if Blake + Joel is enough to get it done.
Dalemberts numbers are as good or better than Joels across the board. They rebound at pretty much identical rates, and Samuel is a better shot blocker by the numbers. He is a slightly better scorer than Joel, he turns it over less, he hits the offensive boards, he has good shooting percentages(85% from the ft line this year). His PER this season(17) is higher than Joels at any point in his career, and definitely better than his rating of 11 this season. Basically, you are giving up Blake to get a slightly better and ready to go Joel, except he is black and from Haiti. Sam hasnt missed a game since 05-06 season, that durability is an asset in itself consider our luck with big man injuries.
If management just wasn’t comfortable paying for Dalembert, I would understand. There is no doubt he is vastly overpaid. I do think that he is capable of shoring up the middle, helping the blazers go on a late season run with much improved defense, and who knows, maybe even winning a playoff series. Plus, you alleviate the stress of wondering if Joel will be back or not. And even if he is back, how effective will he be? Insurance behind Greg is going to be important next season, I really think Dalembert is far better answer than Joel at this point. If Greg does come back, and can stay in the game longer than 24 minutes per, you have a huge expiring contract that is bound to garner some interest. I love the idea if management doesnt mind flipping the bill…
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
I've heard he's sort of a jerk. Don't know if it's true.
He was basically kicked off his Olympic team for not getting along with people.
I used to be called Nick Van Excellent, but I wasn't really all that excellent.
by The Running Man on Feb 1, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a thought
My tendency is to dismiss a proposal including Przy because 1) he’s hurt, and 2) KP and Nate loves them some Joel (and for many good reasons that we’re all very well aware of)
But what if…KP dealt Przy at the deadline, then Joel opted out of his deal in July and Portland resigned him to a long-term deal on July 1, using the MLE and “escalators”
KP could get another big man now, and get Joel “back” this summer. Przy could get a longer deal with more “security” for his future.
As far as I know this is legal. Does anyone forsee any complications…besides another team making Przy a big offer in July (which, considering his rehab status, would seem unlikely)?
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longterm deal with his type of injury seems silly.
he wil be lucky to recover from this completely, expecially without losing a lot of mobility. dalembert is intriguing fit for the blazers as he clogs the middle well and makes for a more solid team defense. is a willing and able rebounder.
KP could have both Pryz and Sammy
KP deals Joel + Blake for Dalembert
Joel opts out of his ETO in July and KP offers Przy the MLE with escalators
Why Portland does it: they appreciate JP’s intangibles and think that resigning him for 2-3 years is not too much of a risk, because they’ve been evaluating his medical progress and have been getting encouraging reports. The Blazers have cost-certainty for 2-3 year for a proven backup C to Oden
Why Pryz does it: he likes playing in Portland and would have financial security for the next 3 years
What do Nate/KP do if they have 3 healthy centers in veteran camp next fall? Good problem to have, Sam has a 12mil$ expiring contract and KP can use it to acquire another piece to the champiosnhip puzzle
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What you are saying is illegal
Joe Smith rings a bell as I read what you want KP to do. There can be nothing put to paper, (which was the Wolves mistake I believe) which makes the “deal” really just a promise, and we can look to Carlos Boozer to see how that can work out.
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I think if a deal happens, it will most likely me for Haywood. They asked high in wanting Rudy and Batum and I'm sure got laughed at,
but I bet they may yet put together an offer that is an acceptable risk for us, especially if Haywood were to stay. He would be a really nice player to have as our new “Greg insurance.”
"What people need to know is that those pictures were taken a year and a half ago, and I've grown since then." - Greg Oden
I'll take that trade.
You for Haywood.
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Given the high rate of recent claims on our policy
I think the price of “Greg insurance” is pretty high right now. Maybe even Rudy and Batum high.
I still wouldn’t do it, though.
by IntergalacticP on Feb 4, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
no point trading individual assets
for stop gap centers like Haywood considering hes a free agent, only time I would want to see Rudy or Bayless moved if it’s part of the package for a larger deal ( LMA/Rudy/Blake/Outlaw ) for Bosh etc.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
I like Rudy, be he isn't an all-star, and probably never will be
He could go a long way to get another team to do a deal, and we all know that sooner or later he will become disenfranchised and demand to be traded. I think Batum has more potential, and Martell’s contract would be a turnoff to many suitors. Rudy or JB would unfortunately have to be a part of any deal…
Now might be a good time to go after David West
The problem at center really doesn’t have a good solution. We can get an expiring contract or get someone who is incredibly overpaid. There is no reason to think that both GO and Joel will be able to stay healthy, we need a longer term solution. I feel KP paid way too much for LMA; we can’t afford to have 2 overpaid big men that are difficult to move. We can pursue guys like Camby or Haywood in the offseason, and save Blake, Trout, and Rudy for chips in another deal.
NO probably won’t have a chance without Paul. Get a third team involved that could send LMA to the third team (I doubt NO would want his contract), NO gets a young player or two from that 3rd team, and Portland gets West. Throw in Blake’s and Outlaw’s contracts to sweeten the deal. LMA has more talent than West, but I think West is a better player. Of course, Bosh for LMA and most of the bench bench (except Batum) would be ideal, but that ain’t going to happen.
Brook Lopez would be nice, and would be worth pursuing, but I doubt NJ would be willing to part with him. I like Camby’s game – if he has the legs, maybe he can be pursued in the offseason, I just don’t like the idea of giving something up if they aren’t going to stick around.
Hm as of yet I am the only one to vote Nazr
which I did because it seemed he had the best cost-benefit ratio. He has a decent rebound and block per 40; so he uses his time on the court effectively… at least statistically and has a 64% FT (not great but also not a liability). He is also a veteran bringing further 4-5 experience to the team (last game of 17-10-2 in 25), especially if we don’t lose Juwan. I really like the deal for Steve and Outlaw because it leaves us with Joel for next year, and Juwan/Nazr as insurance. Basically we give up pieces we don’t need and cant use for a stop-gap this year, and an insurance next year (who I’m sure would sit behind Oden and Pryz most nights on his way to playoffs.) Especially because BOTH centers got hurt and are thus coming back from injury’s and most prone to further damage, it would be good to have a legit third line of defense.
Please tell me why I am wrong to have voted for him (or conversely why you didn’t vote for him). I honestly haven’t watched his game much so he could be, for all my knowledge, an absolutely terrible defender (instant deal breaker…) or some other failing. Perhaps we shall see a bit later tonight.
Ronny Turiaff
Plays 4-5. Excellent defender, hustle guy and a bit of a mean streak. Still young and runs and dances real well. Good character, friends of Brandon and Nic. Costs $4,000,000 and could be got for Travis or Martell and maybe Patty MIlls or Cunningham. Travis makes better sense for Golden State. This works alone or as part of several 3 team scenarios involving GS and certain other big guys (Amare?). Ronny fills short term needs for a strong banger in the middle now, and a long-term 4-5 backup in the future. He mostly scores off put backs but he’s got a decent jump shot. He’s a legitimate player that is cheaper and more to the point than any of the over-paid guys on your list. Makes more sense.
Turiaf makes sense
and I could see Nellie being interested in Outlaw and Mills
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Joe Freeman dropped a bomb last night, on 1080
I haven’t scoured Bedge, so I don’t know if anyone else has reported this
Joe said that Portland was very close to acquiring Amare last year, at the deadline. He didn’t give any details re: who would’ve been included in the deal from Portland’s side, but you’ve gotta figure LMA would’ve been a required “ingredient” from Phoenix’ point of view
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Who says "OK, let's get real?"
Well, let’s ask the simple version. Who in the NBA would not want Amare on their team? A couple of deluded fans maybe. It’s all about the price. If Paul Allen doesn’t mind paying for Amare then why should we complain. The guy’s dynamite.
I wouldn't want him
Overpaid prima donna that doesn’t play defense and spells his name stupidly. What has Amar’e done in his career so far? Not much.
If it was tough figuring out how to get Brandon and Miller to share the ball, I can’t even imagine how we would fold Amar’e into the mix.
as with Hedo, last July
I don’t have any trouble agreeing with your conclusion, but if Freeman is correct (and there’s no reason for him to make a story up that has no legs, 12 months later) the Blazers were interested in acquiring Stoudemire. This reveals a glimpse into the thought processes of Portland’s front office, at least back when they still had RLEC.
In hindsight, we can say “phew, it’s a good thing they didn’t make that deal!” but the fact that they were even considering it should give Blazer fans pause (like when we heard on draft night that KP was trying to move up an select Tyler Hansbrough…) Sometimes the “best” deals are the ones that fall through
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Neither would I.
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Who in the NBA would not want Amare on their team?
the phoenix suns
dinasour type of guys choir boys
$$$ It's about the money$$$
Picking up a high-level NBA player is not a very subjective or emotional decision. The JailBlazers forced Portland to to jettison an entire team based on character isues. Do you recognize how rare that event was in the entertainment and sports industry? Can you find another example even vaguely similar. Normally, management evaluates talent for how it improves the business short or long-term then buys or sells as needed. Amar’e will improve any team in the NBA so he’s a hot commodity, even for the Blazers. Phoenix is preparing to rebuild from scratch so why would they want Amar’e?
The JailBlazers forced Portland to to jettison an entire team based on character isues. Do you recognize how rare that event was in the entertainment and sports industry? Can you find another example even vaguely similar.
indiana pacers.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Well played, sir
Not to mention that the 2004-2005 Pacers were probably considered title favorites at that point, definitely not something you could have said about us by the time we started jettisoning guys.
#52
Do you really think Amar'e belongs in the ranks of
the JailBlazers and that Pacer crew? Is bad character your reason for avoiding him or is he an over-hyped player maybe? I don’t get your objection to Amar’e. He may not be a fit for the Blazers but he’s better than everyone on our team except BRoy.
I was responding specifically to the comment
about the Pacers/jailblazers comparison and how that was worse, but to go back to the original point about Amare, no, he’s nowhere near those guys in terms of character issues, but yes, I think there are a decent number of teams that wouldn’t want him, simply because of the salary that he’s demanding. I think there are legitimate questions about Amare being the best guy on a title team, but that’s how he wants to get paid.
Shawn Marion would have improved almost every team when they traded him, but there was very little demand for him because of his contract and salary demands. You could say the same thing about a dozen guys in the league.
To be honest, I have no clue what the jailblazers have to do with anything here or why you brought them up in the first place.
#52
Roy likes Ronny too.
That has to hold some clout as well.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
you'd think so
Brandon mentioned Turiaf last May, as an example of a player that would be a good addition
not much is being mentioned re: Ronny in the rumor mills…most deals that are actually in the works won’t get leaked, ahead of time
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Okafor
I think Okafor would be a great fit for this team from both a character standpoint and giving us the things that we currently lack. If Oden returns to full health you’d have the makings of an ideal 3 man weave at PF/C (30-35 minutes apiece), and you’d have a A+ insurance policy in case Oden continues to struggle with injuries.
The contract is somewhat onerous but this would be a great opportunity to leverage expiring contracts and Portland’s financial strength. I doubt it will happen though because they could do better (like the McGrady trade mentioned above).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I&feature=channel_page
by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 1, 2010 10:58 PM PST reply actions
we should trade
rudy fernandez and travis outlaw for chris paul. kay bye.
3rd down... chainsaw noise please.
solves problem x for portland,
and solves problem y for cleveland, New orleans, and LA.
3rd down... chainsaw noise please.
HUGE problem, Norskie
Most all of these trades involve Joel. If I am an opposing GM there is NO WAY I take on a center with a knee injury like that. In order for the trade to go through the other team would have to waive Przy’s physical.
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same thing I was thinking (about Joel's value) // a more modest proposal
I don’t think we need to shoot the moon over getting a back-up center. In that way Mohammed makes the most sense to me and would probably be the most satisfied with his role in the future if he stayed (probably one more year at least). I like the idea of Canby best, especially if there was some hope of keeping him in Portland for about 1/2 to 2/3 of what he makes now.
What I’ve had in mind as an “acceptable” backup center has been much more modest —
Basic models (think slightly better than Steven Hill): Josh Boone ($2M); Jason or Jarrod Collins (both playing for $0.8M this year); Nesterovic (2M) (can’t comment on the defense of some of these guys);
Upgraded versions: Pachulia (4.7M, think he’d be great); Turiaf (4.1M, already mentioned); Wilcox (6-10 PF, 3M) (without intending it, all these guys could play some PF too)
IMO, this would give us a more clearcut backup who would have to be happy sitting on the bench if both Greg and Joel are back next year (the first group anyway).
put a body on 'em
Yeah, Naz was the only one I thought wouldn't mortgage the Blazer's future.
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by haildablazer on Feb 2, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Philly wouldn't care if he never played again
It would still save them a ton in salary/cap space.
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Possibly true
But could the Blazers give a bigger middle finger to Joel? The dude has been the very definition of loyalty. I’d be at the RG protesting if KP traded him.
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Joel would understand...
This IS in fact a buisness. Joel would be the first to know about it, and I am sure he is smart enough to know that this is an up and coming team that needs to protect itself going into the future. Now if KP told him, dont worry you are not going anywhere. And Joel woke up to a message saying he was now a 76er, that would be something else altogether. If KP is even considering trading him, I suspect he has already gotten on the phone with him and let him know. I don’t see trading a player as giving a player the middle finger at all. Playing in Philly might actually be better for Joel next season. He wont be second fiddle behind a potential all star, he will be playing in a weaker conference against weaker competition, and he might get more oppurtunity in the form of minutes to showcase himself for his next contract.
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
agree with this
Joel agreed to resign with Portland as a FA when the team was in the toilet, because he believed in KP’s plan. Pritch is not going to put Przy into a deal “for salary purposes” and end his Blazer career as a footnote to a mid-season trade. That’s “anti-KP” to the extreme
Unless…KP and Joel have a (wink, wink; nod, nod) agreement in which Przy is dealt, then opts out of his contract and Portland makes him a FA offer this summer. This is an idea worthy of KP’s previous level of slap-happiness…he could eat his cake and get it back this summer
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KP should get his digestion checked if that happens.
All joking aside, it has happened before in the league (didn’t Antonio McDyess do that for the Pistons, only he came back the same year?)
I just think Joel is too valuable a commodity (and at a VERY reasonable price for a proven NBA center) for another team to simply “waive” him.
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it won't be the "other team's" choice
Joel has a player option (ETO) this summer (worth 7,405,300, for next season) if he gets traded to another team next month and he doesn’t want to play there, he can “opt out” and become a FA this July
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/09-10salaries.htm
Now, normally a guy who’s knee is in a cast wouldn’t do this, but if Przy knew “ahead of time” that Portland was prepared to offer him the MLE + 2 more years on July 1st, then he might think that’s a better way to go, long-term
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I dont understand why everyone is going after big names
Get a long term 3rd string big man that can put up about 8-8-2 and would be fine sitting behind greg and pryz until one or both get injured again.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
That’s one way to handle it and would be perfect assuming that the status quo remains.
My concern is that Pryz can opt out after this year and he may never be Pryz again, while Oden is a legitimate long term question mark who is also entering a contract extension year (like LMA and Roy were this year).
To me that adds up to two huge question marks that would be in front of a 3rd string center. Combine that with the trade opportunities of expiring contracts + other teams looking to dump salary, and it MAY make sense to pursue a more legit center at the trade deadline.
It wouldn’t surprise me a bit though to see KP do what you are saying and roll the dice on GO/Przy going forward unless he can pull of a Gasol-type steal deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I&feature=channel_page
by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 2, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
That Gasol for Gasol swap is looking closer all the time.
Marc is playing really well this year.
Obviously it will always go down as a steal of a deal for some people, but I think it’s closer than first appears.
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see the Turiaf proposal
up above
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Because 8-8-2 are good numbers for a big man
in this day and age. Any team with a big man doing 8-8-2 values them highly because they’re scarce.
by oregonslee on Feb 2, 2010 7:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
True, kinda just threw the numbers out there
Just a big body that can rebound half-decent and wont get walked on when on defense. Offensively, a mid-range jumper would be great, but not nearly as important as rebounding/defense.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 2, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Disagree on Diop
I think a big, defensive specialist center could be exactly what we could use, somebody to throw out in particular circumstances this year, and who would accept and thrive in a deep bench role downstream. yes, he’s overpaid, but that likely means that he’d be available without giving up any of our young guys. In other words, a realistic target, since Charlotte would be motivated to move his contract. Why else have a deep pockets owner? How about Blake and Outlaw for Diop and Acie Law? We get an end-of-the-bench PG and the small minutes big man we need in the rotation this year, and we take on a modest amount more of salary in coming years. As far as tying up salary, big men are often overpaid, and at this point it is what will balance the roster and give us a chance to win. We are likely headed for luxury tax land in a few years anyhow. My two bits — I don’t see much else out there that is realistic, but I’d pull the trigger on this one.
Mohammad or Turiaf
Make the most sense from where I’m sitting. You give up a few pieces (Blake, Outlaw) and get back a 4/5 guy who can plug the hole at 5 for the next 30 games. After this year, he becomes the Millsap/Lee that we were looking for this past offseason – a big, bruising backup to LMA at the 4. That’s assuming that Przy and Oden come back 100%. In that case Pendergraph is expendable. If one of the centers doesn’t come back, though, Pendy becomes LMA’s backup, with Dante finding minutes at 3/4 depending on matchups.
I also think we need to ship Rudy out now that we’ve seen that Bayless is a capable backup to Roy. IMHO Jerryd and Rudy overlap far too much (energy, instant offense) to coexist peacefully for the long term on this team. Jerryd’s probably never going to be a full-time point but he could easily play microwave off the bench for 25-30 minutes a night.
Kaman
He could play with both LMA and Oden with his range on offense. Might as well throw in a bunch of chips with 2 injury prone centers, better than just 1.
Joel Freeland=Stud
I think this is the deal the L*kers would sit up and take notice about, the most
but Chris’ contract may be too much for the Vulcan’s to swallow
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Their planet was destroyed.
Who cares what they think.
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by haildablazer on Feb 2, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you do know, I presume
that the Vulcan’s are the Seattle-based bean counters who tell Paul Allen how much he can spend on the Blazers and his other businesses?
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You do know, I presume
That the sky is blue, rain is wet and ice is cold?
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not on the planet Vulcan
at least, I presume not
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Trades
Well I was messen around on trade machine today. And tried this trade Boch for Przybilla and Miller and it worked, I’m not saying its a good trade or that Toronto would do it. anyway I also did this one Blake and Outlaw for Harris and it worked and I also did Blake,Outlaw and Przybilla to New Jersey for Harris,Brooks and Yi and it worked again not saying the Blazers want to do any of these trades or the opposing team would want to do any of them . I just tought we could maybe subtract by adding and then have two open roster spots.
true
but it’s kind of pointless to post ideas for trades that will never go through. the point of trade drawer is to discuss viable options, not to wish for Chris Paul on your doorstep in a muffin basket (‘course he’s injured now, but we’ve still got a few days to come up with a new cliche)
true
And KP most likly will not doing anything.But that what everybody here is doing and probably even your self.
by billyjoejack on Feb 3, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
bad post
sorry did not mean to post same post twice.I tried to delete it
heh heh heh
Yet another cry in the darkness for an “edit” button…
CURSE YOU SBN!!!!
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sorry norsk
but your Haywood idea is about the worst idea. good thing eddie grunfeld came up with it so you can blame it on him. Batum is the future, and, I think, the future #2 option behind Broy
I doubt KP is gonna do anything.
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I agree.
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Unless he could trade
2 broken centers for a first round pick from N.J. Sure would hate to see Pryz go, though.
Well I thought Outlaw and Blake expiring contracts had specific outcomes
An extention or new contract could ne negotiated before the last day of their contract.
They could expire and walk away into free agency.
They could be traded in the next 2 weeks for cosiderations.
Watcha think? The first and the last seem likely.
not so sure
Unless Outlaw has a change of heart and no longer is seeking a starter role or starter money. Blake isn’t in the team’s future (else neither M&M would be on the roster).
I think outlaw was aiming for intergalactic compensation this summer
Hopefully he’s come back to earth.
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by haildablazer on Feb 2, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
center
" Get a long term 3rd string big man that can put up about 8-8-2 and would be fine sitting behind greg and pryz until one or both get injured again."
I like that strategy. But are there such players out there, on teams that would be interested in making a deal?
Do you have any explanation as to why New Jersey would ever want to do that?
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
It is well established that I don't think much of most trade proposal posts.
One reason I pretty much ignore them without opening.
But this one I have to acknowledge as being very well done. Nearly every proposed trade is well thought out and even more impressive, reasonable sounding.
I voted for Camby in the poll, even though I’m leaning toward standing pat.
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Why,Why,Why
Who Knows why teams do dump trades but all teams do not every year. But teams do make trades. Tell me why Mephis give the Lakers Pau Gasol two season ago. They just about handed LA that Trophy. So my friend not all trades make since and who knows why teams make trades like that but the fact is that they do make them.
I am assuming this was meant for me?
NJ will not dump their two best players to gain a marginal amount of salary space, especially when their team salary is already well below the cap. Brook Lopez is not a player you dump for salary purposes, his play on the court is worth 10 million or more, yet he is only payed 2.5 mill. Devin Harris, arguably their best player, is also under a very affordable contract considering his production. Keeping those two players is paramount in trying to lure a free agent this summer with their already existent cap space.
Also, the idea that Memphis gave the Lakers Pau Gasol needs to be put out to pasture, and then shot. That was a very good trade for both teams. Memphis got out of Pau’s contract, got a younger Gasol(literally) who was and is a much better fit for their long term plans, and a very good player to boot. Both teams would look back and make that trade again.
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
the as11osu scenario
(since he made a reappearance earlier today, I thought I’d trot this out for old time’s sake)
if NJ was to deal Harris for an expiring contract, they could potentially get 51 mil under the cap, then make a play on 3 of the max UFAs this July (LBJ, Wade, Bosh) As unlikely as this seems...17 × 3 does equal 51, and the franchise could go from the proverbial outhouse to the penthouse, in one short offseason
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LOL
I suppose that is true. It would be hilarious to try to watch them build a team with 3 superstars, no capspace, and only Courtney Lee, CDR and Terrence Williams under contract, who all duplicate positions filled by future hall of famers. I suppose they could extend Josh Boone or Sean Williams an offer. They would also have that awesome lottery pick. Nah, I’ll take Harris and Lopez along with a shot at 2 of those big name free agents:)
RUDY > MJ
Trade for Dalembert
they could keep Lopez
and build around the “big 4”
if NJ could pull this off, they’d be the lead wintertime sportscenter story for the next 10 years
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think about this
what if they also got the #1 pick and took Wall?
LBJ, Wade, Bosh, Wall, and Lopez? Who needs a bench?
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they will need to dig up some buried treasure to pay all those players, though.
Maybe some AIG board member will buy the Nets and pay these players. – Elgin
GOP in HD
I thought I read that the Nets franchise was purchased by a rich Russian
and they were talking about moving it to Brooklyn
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If New Jersey wins the lottery then I expect them
to be more open to the idea of trading Harris. Devin has been really poor this season and is injury prone and don’t forget John Wall is a PG. He’s more like Wade but he’s learning to play the Point. By the way can you imagine a lineup of Harris, Wall, James, Boone and Lopez?
We need to forget NJ as a trading partner, and look at Phily, Washington, Miami, Chicago, Orlando, Detroit and New Orleans. As much as I want Camby, I don’t see the Clips just giving him away. I’d only want Camby or Haywood if they signed an extension to their contracts otherwise it would be pointless to trade out youth for a player that will only be around for 3 months.
Best trade IMO
We get a good deal, they get to save money on expiring contract(s), possible insurance exception.
With CP3's injury
they might go into full on sell off mode, so I guess this is possible, but trading Joel is hard as always.
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I don't think its that hard. Joel has been good
but its not like we are giving up an All-Star here. Plus Pryzbilla is injury prone and we can’t carry 2 injury prone Centers on the team. And with Okafor being able to play both the 4 and the 5 makes this a no brainer for KP.
oh I would still do it
I am just saying that Joel has given alot to this franchise, so trading him would be hard to do. IF they chould get Okafor for him I would do it for sure, even with Okafor’s horrible contract he is a good player, and would be an awsome backup 4/5 banger that the Blazers have needed for awhile now.
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Trading for Joel hard for NO
Does NO really want Joel? Seems like there are two potentially bad scenarios for any taker: either he recovers well and then he opts out or he doesn’t recover well so he opts in. Sure NO could save money in the first scenario, but then they have no center.
Trade Travis!
How bout Travis (assuming he gets back before the deadline) to MIL for Kurt Thomas? Salaries are almost identical, and both are expiring. With the way our 3/4’s are playing, Outlaw has clearly become dispensable and I wouldn’t want him resigned in the off-season anyway. Thomas would be a nice fill-in for the rest of the season and then can walk in the summer. I don’t see why any team would want Joel, for the obvious reasons stated in earlier posts.
I suspect KP will want "more" than KT for TO
at least a draft choice, Milwaukee’s 2nd rounder might be enough. (Portland seems to like using late 1st, early second rounders on Euros…)
I’d rather see a Outlaw+Mills for Turiaf deal (Ronny’s 5 years younger than Kurt, and he’d fit in pretty well backing up either Greg, Joel or LMA, next fall) But if Thomas is the “best” deal KP can get, it would strengthen the middle without disrupting the team…since they all haven’t “depended upon” Travis for awhile. And Outlaw could easily get more PT (and shots) playing for the Bucks in March-April and perhaps enhance his upcoming contract negotiations in July
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I don't know about Kurt Thomas he's kind of
old now and I can’t see him playing more than 10 minutes a game, effectively anyway. Plus what we NEED is a Center that can block shots, Kurt isn’t a shot blocker. We could trade Outlaw for a draft pick, 1st round (late), or a backup combo guard plus a scond round pick. What about Sonny Weems from the Raptors? He’s an absloutely amazing athlete and good weakside shot blocker.
Is the trade machine always accurate?
Travis to Miami for shot blocker and expiring contract Jamaal Magloire or Joel Anthony? Both are making the veteran minimum and Miami has a $4.3 mil trade exception (which is a bit confusing), meaning the Heat should be able to acquire the extra salary from Portland. Anyone know why the TM would not allow this?

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