Game 22 Recap: Blazers 97, Magic 83
In a Nutshell
Dwight Howard proves himself worth twice the price of admission but his teammates come in somewhere south of a chalupa as the Blazers' perimeter players destroy their Magic counterparts in an unexpectedly easy (and energetic) Portland win.
Game Flow
Portland lost this game early on and they weren't getting it back. Let's just state that from the top. Portland came out with a 24-second violation on their first possession, looking confused and flat-footed. Dwight Howard scored on a simple post move on Orlando's first play. That set the tone for the first period. The Magic had more fire and more firepower, the latter concentrated fully in their chiseled center. Howard scored in an array of post moves so impressive and smooth they would have made Kareem Abdul-Jabbar look twice. Seriously, he looked like a wholly unstoppable force out there, not just because of his obvious physical attributes but because he was playing basketball. The Blazers looked silly by comparison. The first sign that the Magic had this game in the bag was Howard's 18 points in the first period. The second sign was predicted in the Blazersedge game preview: Portland's offense consisted solely of shooting and missing outside jumpers. The Magic rebounded, walked the ball up the court, tossed it to Dwight, and racked up another score. The third sign came in the second period when Howard took a seat and the Blazers made no indent at all into Orlando's double-digit lead in his absence. Though I never do this, I was sorely tempted to just fast-forward the game through the fourth and start writing about how the Blazers got crushed.
Then a funny thing happened on the way to the morgue.
Halfway through the second period, with Portland's big men looking about as effective as a can of lavender air freshener in a Taco Bell restroom, Coach McMillan pulled every center and faux-center from the game, sticking LaMarcus Aldridge in the pivot slot and surrounding him with the multi-wing brigade plus Andre Miller. Magic prevailed, but it was all red and black magic. Orlando wasn't willing to give Dwight the Shaq treatment, just posting him two inches from the hoop and throwing him the ball. When they did bother to get it to him he had to make a move to get into scoring position, allowing Aldridge and occasional help to get busy with hands and strip the ball. Orlando's perimeter players couldn't get an inch of space on the mobile lineup. The Magic started missing and missing and missing. The Blazers beat them to the boards, both a huge credit to Portland's smaller guys and a signal that Orlando, too, thought they had this game in hand already. With Howard now tasked with guarding Aldridge he was no longer free to camp in the paint. That opened up drives or, more often, drives and dishes to suddenly-open jump shooters. Collectively, anchored by their center, the Magic are a great defensive team in the halfcourt. Individually, with no backing, they're completely mediocre. Their best perimeter defender, Mickael Pietrus, got burned repeatedly one-on-one in this game. If that was happening, you know the Vince Carters and Rashard Lewises of the world didn't have a chance. A dozen-point lead for Orlando at the 6:00 mark shrunk to 1 at the half. The Magic led 46-35.
But see, here comes the genius part. The normal ending to this story would have seen the Magic adjust at halftime, commit to using Howard extremely deep against that small lineup, and eat Portland alive when they tried their little tricks in the second half. You could almost hear them salivating as they exited the locker room. But Portland didn't play that lineup in the second half. Instead Marcus Camby and Joel Przybilla did everything they could to deny Howard the ball and stood firm when he did get it. The Blazers kept busy helping hands around him whenever he tried to put the ball on the floor. They dared anyone else to take the lead. Several Magic players tried but they lacked the prowess. Nor could they help each other, as Portland patrolled the passing lanes...one of the few decent aspects of the Blazer defense this year. For the most part the Magic were stuck giving the ball to Vince Carter or Jameer Nelson and watching them try to hit jumpers off the dribble. That's no good. You could see their grand designs swirling down the drain. You could also see Howard's frustration mount as that 18-point opening period melted into a sloppy 21 for the next three combined...not bad, but not enough to carry the team singlehandedly.
The Blazers, this time with big men in tow, kept up their Herculean efforts on the boards, keeping the Magic from any easy looks. Meanwhile they overtook and then pulled away from their guests with the same fast-paced, cutting, driving, passing game that had served them well in the second period. Marcus Camby stayed outside. Portland's guards and forwards drove in. Howard got a couple blocks but 8 times out of 10 they worked around him and found the easy, open jumper. Another 1 time in 10 was a flat-out layup or dunk. The Magic offense looked forced. The Blazers offense looked forceful. All of a sudden Portland was up 6 and 10 and oh my gosh...is the clock really running down that low? It is! Portland could actually win this thing. Do you think Portland will actually...look! Four minutes left and Portland's up 15! They're going to win! They're going to win! They're...they...they WON!!! 97-83 was the final following the usual free throw parade in the closing minutes. Portland notches their first great win against a good team this year.
Notable Developments
After the gloomy start the strategy and energy in this game were impressive. The small-lineup switcheroo was fantastic. Eschewing it afterwards and playing like the team should have played from the start, leaving Orlando swinging where Portland wasn't, was just brilliant. But neither of those strategies would have worked had the players not played with unselfish vigor. The spacing tonight was great. The rebounding was awesome. The passing was crisp. Players without the ball found scoring space before they receive passes and then hit shots. Players with the ball attacked or gave it up. Only two weeks ago we were talking about the worst losses of the season piling on top of each other. This is undoubtedly the best win of the season and it's not even close. What a boost. And how nice to find that the Blazers still have it in there somewhere.
Individual Notes
This game belonged to two players with a bunch of help besides.
Andre Miller roared back from his suspension to begin a new consecutive-games streak in style. He beat the snot out of Jameer Nelson (legally...no "foul play" involved) and then ripped apart the Orlando defense with drives and dishes and smart moves off of picks. His energy was impressive because, though constantly evident, it never resulted in wild, "me-first" play. Everything he did broke down the opponent and helped his team without endangering its cohesion. There wasn't a true bad shot in the bunch of his 15. He hit 9 and scored 22 for the game. His understanding of Orlando's defensive weaknesses and his use of space set the tone for this team.
Wes Money also provided obvious energy and drive. He didn't walk anywhere, he sprinted. He didn't hesitate on a shot. We said a couple weeks ago that he wasn't a #1 scoring option in the mold of Brandon Roy and that remains true. But he's proving right now that being able to break a guy down off the dribble doesn't have to begin and end every 20-point night. He made himself available and delivered when his teammates got him the ball. He also got busy on defense, which he's playing better than any Blazer small at this point. 6-12 shooting, 6-6 free throws, 20 points, 3 steals.
The Blazer bigs deserve some credit. This wasn't a dominant night for them, just an efficient one after that first quarter. Marcus Camby had 13 rebounds in 23 minutes, Joel Przybilla 4 in 12 minutes. Camby added 2 steals. Both did their part in getting into Dwight Howard's head, perhaps their most important contribution.
LaMarcus Aldridge had a bad statistical night, shooting 5-15 and getting 6 rebounds with 14 points, 3 turnovers, and 4 fouls. Holding his own with Howard in that second period erases everything though. If LaMarcus weren't a credible offensive threat the Blazers never come back in this game because Howard never leaves the paint.
Brandon Roy had a bad statistical night as well, shooting 4-12 for 9 points. His contributions were even more muted than Aldridge's. However if you watched closely the Magic never, ever felt comfortable leaving Roy and sometimes sent extra men at him despite his struggles. He was mostly a decoy but he was an effective one. Without him on the floor the other guys get watched closer.
Nicolas Batum had another Jolly Saint Nic night, registering 15 points and 10 rebounds on 5-8 shooting, 5-7 from the line. Obviously he helped on the boards. He was also a key figure in that defensive lineup that the Magic perimeter players couldn't solve. Like Matthews, Batum made himself available and took advantage when he touched leather. He also set up 3 assists, keeping the movement going. It was a nice night for Nicolas. He got 27 minutes.
Rudy Fernandez hit a couple of threes, stole the ball once, and scored 6 in 15 minutes.
Patty Mills couldn't back up his performance last game and played 5 mostly-ineffective minutes.
Sean Marks played 2 minutes and didn't hurt anything.
Stats of the Night
- Blazers shoot 44% from the field and 33% from the arc but win handily. They didn't even have an advantage from the foul line until the catch-up free throws at the end of the game. Obviously the meta-game was working tonight.
- Dwight Howard 13-20. Rest of team 17-51. Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, and Jameer Nelson shoot 8-36 combined...22%.
- Magic 34 points in the paint (keeping in mind Howard scored 39). Blazers 50 points in the paint.
- Take out the 20 the Blazers scored from the foul line and that leaves but 27 points scored for Portland on the perimeter, about 28% of their total. On some nights Portland scores more like 70% of their points from outside.
Odd Notes and Links
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Brandon looks terrible out there....
…so depressing.
He's still good enough to get guarded tightly when he's on the floor.
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 10, 2010 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Teams still game plan against Roy, he gets doubled nightly.
Hopefully in time once they realize he’s not the threat he use to be they’ll give him more space and be more productive.
LOL, this brings up a great point...
Did teams fire their scouts during the off-season? Or, are opponents paying tribute to the old BRoy? What’s with the double teams on Brandon?
Like Falcao said – I hope they keep doing it!
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
I Think Brandon Is Still Effective In A Different Way Than Pervious Years
As much as I have been trashing the Brandon ISO offense the past 2 years, one thing that is interesting to watch is how he can still create his own shot — although he can no longer beat players on the drive.
If teams sag off of him, he makes them pay by dribbling to a spot and firing up a shot. It seems his lateral movement has been effected, but this injury doesn’t effect his shooting.
or his ability to create space with his body
he still only needs a half step on someone to get that hip in place ala dre, kobe, etc to be able to face up and either shoot, pump fake, or pass.
by Billy Hoyle on Dec 10, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah he's still really dangerous
He may not be taking it to the rim all the time but he has range and the ability to get a decent shot up on single coverage if teams start to forget him.
he said it right
Brandon still draws the defense like no other player on the roster. For the first time, however, that paid dividends for the Blazers. Roy is taking good shots (but for the end of third quarter fadeaway – I didn’t like that one) and they will eventually go down.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 10, 2010 2:10 AM PST up reply actions
Any trade scenario with broy?
Broy+pryz+whatever to philly for iggy+$$$ equalizer…?
Maybe roy can mentor turner…?
OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!
by TyboOSU on Dec 10, 2010 12:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Roy is untradable
he does help space the floor on offense though, so even when he doesn’t produce he is helping in that way.
Agree
Roy is a Blazer for the next several years. My hope is he’ll build up lag strengh and mutate his game to compensate. He IS a smart crafty player and a solid perimeter shooter. I’d like to see this team play some more old time motion oriented offense.
That said nice win, however the magic are struggling so I’m not of the belief that the Blazers woes are solved. I do think that Andres shove of Griffin sparked something. Next I’d like to see LaMarcus shove someone, anyone.
by doomsdaymachine on Dec 10, 2010 3:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
People fall into crazes here
Kirk Hinrich was the subject of something similar once upon a time
ignacio
gross. icky. eew. yuck.
so glad KP is gone.
so glad Hinrich is gone.
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 10, 2010 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
i think it might be
His perfect fit into our team defensively and in The open floor
cause he is really good
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
the only diference between Chuck Norris and Andre Miller is one of them plays basketball
by thomasikehara on Dec 10, 2010 3:48 AM PST up reply actions
I don't get it either
He’s a fine player, but I don’t see how he fits in here. He scores mostly from running the floor, which we don’t do. Even his shoulda-been game winner last night was an ugly flip he got lucky on.
Wanted: A MEANER Blazer attitude! Knock somebody down and step on him!
The L*kers, The Heat, and The Thunder...the New AXIS of EVIL.
beacause he does stuff like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dINgxh6xf0&feature=fvst
no championship window is going to open any time soon. so why not trade for a bunch of high flyers and make Blazer basketball all the more entertaining?
Oh btw – he’s also a pretty darn good all around player to boot.
I could settle for BRoy jumpers all season long if Portland was a actually a contender. But we are not so let’s make this fun!
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Wanna run and fly high?
Sounds fun, but then you also have to get rid of Nate. Just sayin’.
Wanted: A MEANER Blazer attitude! Knock somebody down and step on him!
The L*kers, The Heat, and The Thunder...the New AXIS of EVIL.
watching Iggy ISO-ing against Boston last night provided the answer
Blazer fans want Iggy to replace Brandon as Portland’s late-game 1-4 option
even though Andre02 hasn’t even led the Sixers to the EC playoffs, without ’Dre
smh
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That said, he's be with Miller here.
Plus better players than ever surrounded those two in Philly.
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940
well yeah, but we can't "afford" to add Iggy (money or talent-wise)
and Philly isn’t going to give him away without a young talent infusion from Portland, or some other team
Ideally, the trade would move out Roy’s contract and replace it with Iguadala’s. Not happening. Flipping Joel+Batum (or some such proposal) isn’t going to get it done, either
So it’s “just another BE pipedream” (tune of “Manic Monday” by the Bangles)
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I thought he looked OK.
After the starting terrible shooting by all the Blazers, he was able to pull the defenders away from Matthews and then feed him the ball with room to operate.
Being a decoy isn’t as spectacular as being a scorer, but in this case it was very effective. He also made enough shoots to keep the defense honest which is a big help.
It is true his new style of play is disheartening after what we were used to seeing, but my hope is by All-Star break, he will be more apt in the new mold and will continuously be a big factor.
hg
I don't know if anyone else caught David Aldridge interviewing Andre Miller post game
I am paraphrasing here:
You guys have been hit with so many injuries. Greg Oden going down for the season with a knee injury. And Brandon Roy (pregnant pause) uhhhhh…his limitations.
It felt awkward…David Aldridge sounded like he was referring to Roy as having some terminal disease, but didn’t quite know how to say it or if he should say anything at all.
THANK YOU TNT for showing complete games this year! I no longer dread Thursday nights.
I think we’re just lucky no early games have gone insanely late yet.
just be glad
Boston Philly didn’t go into OT
at lease they went right to Portland and didn’t send it down to Atlanta after the Celtic’s won. No post game interview from Philly either, they probably played it after the Blazer win but I didn’t stick around and watch after Chuck-Kenny explained what’s wrong with the Magic instead of talking about why Portland won (typical)
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If I had an ounce of ambition, I'd send them a thank-you
After all, I did send them a couple of polite-but-caustic emails last year after we missed a good chunk of the first quarter. The second email included a link to Dave’s post on the topic — maybe it made a difference?
Wiggada Wiggada Zers!
Easily the most complete game of the season
Gotta give Nate some credit too, really liked him putting LMA at the 5 in the second quarter that kept us in it
Bat88m
by RyanRTE on Dec 10, 2010 12:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely agree
This was Nate’s best game of the season by far. He adjusted, then counter Orlando’s adjustment. You never see Nate make multiple adjustments like that. Well done.
I though LMA played pretty well. Statistically it wasn’t good, but he was the guy who drew Howard away from the rim, and he used his quickness to slow him down at the other end.
Miller was the key to the game. He was everywhere. And he pushed the Blazers tempo. That was important: once Portland went up-tempo, the whole tenor of the game changed.
maybe the most interesting thing about this win streak has been the fact that Roy and LMA don't have to carry the offensive load
Used to be, either Roy or LMA or both had to be the most productive players on the court for the Blazers to win. Once in a while, Bayless or Outlaw would step up for a game or two – but the usual suspects were the usual suspects.
Perhaps we are witnessing subtle but significant adjustments on many levels. Perhaps the most significant adjustment is that we aren’t seeing as many plays designed to get a particular player a particular shot.
The team just plays better when all five guys are an option on every play. Mathews putting up 20+ without having any plays called for him is precisely how the entire team should play.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 10, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's because we can finally depend on some of our non-stars to hit their shots and cut to the basket.
BRoy and LMA are excellent decoys. LaMarcus is always drawing doubles and teams pay a lot of attention towards Brandon.
"Blaaaaaaaaaaaaazers, Come Out And Plaaaaaaaay!"
Team basketball is so much prettier...
It’s great to see guys dominate one-another in iso situations occasionally (such as hitting clutch game winners) but it is much nicer to see crisp cutting and passing for easy buckets. I’d rather see all our guys get involved in the stat sheet rather than just a couple of guys dominate the scoring column. As you pointed out, we seem to win more without all the isolation, as well.
‘Dre was absolutely slicing and dicing last night and I can’t recall seeing that many lob attempts by the Blazers in recent history. And it was several guys throwing them and several guys receiving (not just the usual Camby to LMA we’ve been getting accustomed to seeing).
Just a fun game to watch!
#20
I can’t recall seeing that many lob attempts by the Blazers in recent history.
We saw some of this lob-variety earlier in Nov before the 6 game losing streak
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and during
while we built most of our early leads
by Billy Hoyle on Dec 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
We're seeing more lobs this season in general.
‘Dre is clearly in sync with most of the other players. Camby, Rudy, Nic, and LMA have all been on one end or the other for lobs. Matthews, too. I can’t remember if Patty has thrown any…
Unfortunately, the guy who seems the most out of sync with the others is Roy…
#20
I though LMA played pretty well. Statistically it wasn’t good, but he was the guy who drew Howard away
Play of the year (so far) for LMA when he pump-faked D-Ho and drove in for the dunk
more of that nastiness in the future, please
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that was fantastic
And it immediately followed my personal favorite offensive play of the game. Give and go with Miller and Camby that was almost coming in transition. Since there was no Blazer broadcast I’ll go ahead and call that the Freeze Play of the game.
Dunk
by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
there was some nice interior passing going on out there last night
it reminded me of the team last Feb-April when they went 17-5
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hope we see more of this
actual fun basketball
Oops!!!
I didn’t mean to walk on you two4larue, I was typing the same time you were posting. We still have the same favorite play though.
hg
funny about that play...
For a split second after Howard bit on the fake and went flying by, Aldridge looked like he couldn’t believe that just happened and that the lane was so wide open. It didn’t take him long to realize that he had a chance to brutalize the rim though.
Dunk
by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
SUUUUCH a travel
they call that a travel 95% of the time. LaMarcus looked shocked that he didn’t get called for it.
I
Yeah, I was pretty shocked watching that play myself
Props to him for taking advantage, but that was pretty blatant.
#52
Wesley (earning his) Money
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Wes dubbed himself 'Iron Man' on Canzano the other day...
cuz its his favorite movie. Personally, I like WMD for Wesley of Mass Destruction or Wesley Matthews of Destruction…
#20
'Dre is the Iron Man
just sayin’
6-7 years of not missing a game trumps using a superhero as your nickname
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yes. 633 consecutive games and counting...
I stand by Dre!
I was in section 316
And section 314 is awesome… their energy definitely spread through the sections nearby… My friends and I were inspired to stand for almost all the second half, along with a few others in our row.
I heard an “An-dre Mi-ller” chant starting in the last minute from 314, but then Dre missed both his FTs as soon as the chant started so they stopped… That would have been awesome though.
So pumped after the win, especially how we adjusted after the first quarter. Yes!
"OK Kids! Who wants a basketball? That's why I love my Chevy Silverado."
Man, true that about TNT. That is refreshing.
It seems like the book isn’t out on Roy. Why is he still drawing doubles?
"You're standing in my sunlight, please move." —Diogenes to Alexander the Great
BRoy's own comment on the subject
I don’t know how much of me not being able to score is due to my knees or due to the fact that all the teams are packing the middle and making it impossible to penetrate. It all started when Phoenix tried it in the play-offs and it is just now catching on with the sub-par teams.
If Matthews and Batum keeps their scoring up, that will continue to make life easier for BRoy and LMA. In the last three games other players feeding off BRoy and LMA has been able to score and that may break the trend. It started with Phoenix and now it may end with Phoenix.
hg
Paint
Loved the work on the boards tonight. I was worried coming in how we’d do.
by BBlazer on Dec 10, 2010 12:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Do my eyes deceive me?
Did Dave just imply that Nate McMillan out-coached SVG?
"That really stuck with me and built something inside of me. He's a two-time MVP. If he comes in and works like that, then that's what I need to be doing." - Armon Johnson on Steve Nash
funny
but true….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 10, 2010 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
No, couldn't be
McMillan is the coach who can’t make adjustments, isn’t that what everybody says? If he did anything right, it must have been an accident – surely Dave knows that!
Actually, he not only made adjustments, he anticipated the other team’s adjustments and stayed a step ahead of them. Nice work by both coach and players. Looks like the Blazers have got their mojo back.
Blazers looked real good in this game. If I were a Magic fan, I’d be unhappy because they looked like anything but a contender, but credit to the Blazers, who had the look of a playoff team.
Blow it up.
by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2010 1:24 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Reading the OrlandoPinstripedPost they were unhappy
In fact they sounded just like BE posters when we were on our losing streak. They want to trade for Iggy.
They also have the fear that all the teams they play from now on will follow suit of the Blazers and guard Howard one-on-one. Sound familiar?
hg
Hey, I can't blame them
after watching Vince last night. Howard is a legitimate MVP contender but the rest of that team is just shells of formerly decent players. If they could somehow dump Rashard and Vince and find a real perimeter player instead, they’d be legitimately scary.
#52
Even Carter's reverse-dunk wasn't that impressive by his standards.
Looked like he barely got high enough to make the shot.
I kept having the feeling that when Dwight gets going, his teammates get jealous or at least can’t get their rhythm and start missing their own shots. I wonder if that’s SOP for that team.
I dunno.
I was greatly impressed by that dunk myself. Thankfully it was a one-off.
Dunk
by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno, maybe
but I doubt it. And if so, that’s on his teammates. Plenty of teams have stars who can score and it’s not like Dwight is out there gunning and not playing defense. I think it’s more a case of having two of their supposed four best players who aren’t particularly concerned with playing hard and through adversity.
I don’t think we really did anything particularly special against them last night, they just can’t/don’t bring it on some nights. If any one out of Jameer, Rashard and Vince had a good game and the other two were even passable, we probably wouldn’t have won last night, and it’s not like we were doing anything special against them. If you’re paying guys $15+ million, you expect at least an average performance on a nightly basis, and all of them were just terrible last night.
#52
But I think it was the Blazers staying at home on the 3pt shooters and letting Howard get his that made the difference
hg
It definitely had something to do with it
But there’s no excuse for guys making over $40 million to shoot 10-36 from the field and draw a total of 6 FTA’s, regardless of how Dwight gets defended. Any team is going to lose if their 2nd through 4th best guys put up that kind of stink bomb.
#52
They have good reason to fear that.
McMillan just gave the rest of the league a blueprint for how to defend Orlando.
Dunk
by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
TEAMWORK
Brandon Roy doesn’t have to feel like a "savior" anymore, just one of the guys.
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Dre
He seems to take games over when the Blazers need it most.
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 10, 2010 1:59 AM PST up reply actions
Batum has to work on stopping the unforced turnovers. He had a wide open shot on the fast break, he hesitated
and threw it away. He nearly turned it over in the finals seconds when all he had to do was catch it and get fouled. I don’t think he is unclutch, I think he just panics at times.
that was no panic
he just got caught between Mathews’ apparent good position and the commendable intent to get the best shot possible. He just recognized a little late that his wide-open J was a better shot.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 10, 2010 2:13 AM PST up reply actions
looking about as effective as a can of lavender air freshener in a Taco Bell restroom
LOL..!
And… “Sean marks played 2 minutes and didn’t hurt anything”.
Fuh-nny..!
by 1ofthe7 on Dec 10, 2010 2:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I missed this one because it started too late for me out here on East Coast, but
let me get this straight. Portland successfully adjusted defensive tactics in-game and then again at halftime? Honestly, I can’t remember Nate ever doing that for the Blazers. Maybe for the national team, but…wow.
It also seems like we're back to normal as Portland
has a great win and people only want to talk about trading Roy. Heh. We’re back to taking wins at home for granted? Wasn’t it a week ago when Portland dropped a turrible game to the even more turrible Wiz?
Have you noticed
By coincidence, after beating Portland Philly and Washington are becoming a contender, or at least better then cellar dwellers. How could that be?
hg
Great win.
Still early though.. we have a huge test on the road..
andre is da bomb
he is also the best thing since sliced bread and more american than apple pie
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
the only diference between Chuck Norris and Andre Miller is one of them plays basketball
by thomasikehara on Dec 10, 2010 3:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
the team is 3-0 since 'Dre went vigilante-justice on Griffin
that’s what difference-makers will do for ya
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If Dre gets credit for bing 3-0 then it must be his fault for the 6 game losing streak
He should have been playing tougher then.
Andre Miller is the Memo Paris of the Blazers
by tominhawaii on Dec 10, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
You're the pitbull of Blazersedge.
Once you get your teeth into a leg, you don’t let go.
by MiledAnimal on Dec 10, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
the tide turned when 'Dre resorted to "dirty" behavior
and it’s been Miller’s fault for all things negative for 12+ months as far as you’re concerned, so why should this week be any different?
Jan 7 last year was the turning point of last season (Andre’s shouting match with Nate)
Early precincts are now reporting that Dec 7 (Blake Griffin, sneak attack) will be the turning point of this current season
number 24, when he barks, the Blazer players/coaches snap to attention.
Talk softly, and carry a big whuppin’ stick
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For once I agree with Charlie.
Boston did it in the play-offs and now Portland did it, covered Dwight one-on-one and let him get his points and stay home on the shooters because Howard can’t beat you by himself and he gets very little help from his teammates if they are covered.
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STAT OF THE NIGHT
Magic 34 points in the paint (keeping in mind Howard scored 39). Blazers 50 points in the paint.
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Dave's comment of the night
Halfway through the second period, with Portland’s big men looking about as effective as a can of lavender air freshener in a Taco Bell restroom
- Awesome
But I thought Portland looked great
Nate deserves credit for adjusting to the dominance of DH and changing the defensive scheme. We were getting manhandled in the post in the 1Q, and after we switched scheme we denied the ball in the post much better. Seems like a better idea to try and deny Howard the ball in the first place, as opposed to bringing the double team or straight up man defense.
Second thing that was totally obvious was the way our offence flowed better by running it through Miller. He completely blew up Nelson on both sides of the ball and made great decisions in the half court sets and fast break. Why we would ever want to take the ball out of his hands and put it in Roy’s to run the offense is completely beyond me. And just like the Boston game, when Miller sat for his end-of-1Q rest, the offense went in the tank. I believe we went over 5 minutes without a FG before Batum made a layup. Just a fantastic overall game tonight against one of the best defenses in the NBA.
And Batum’s been looking good the past couple games off the bench. Seems much more active on the glass now and has more motion on offense (not standing around in the corner). What a terrific boost it would be if Batum could give us sixth man star power off the bench.
Yes, I think that's the way to play Howard
Either deny the ball to begin with or just guard him 1v1. Don’t send doubles if you can get away with it because, as we saw tonight, Howard can’t win the game by himself.
#52
when Miller sat for his end-of-1Q rest, the offense went in the tank. I believe we went over 5 minutes without a FG
This has been the norm all year, with a few exceptions like the Phoenix game. Patty is no more the “savior” than AJ was, or the no-PG lineup. Nate pulled the plug on Mills in the 2nd half like he used to to with Sergio in bygone seasons
Keeping either Roy or Miller on the court at all times makes the most sense—and this would be a lot easier to do if…Brandon was the 6th man
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I'm starting to see this now
To me Roy still looks like an acceptable starter but he was also able to hold down the bench while Dre was on break going into the 4th.
I still think he’ll be fine starting but I’m starting to see where he would make a pretty good 6th man too. There were benefits that having him in as a starter provided that most people probably wouldn’t see in that game though. If he ever does learn to move off the ball more he could still be very very dangerous.
If he would take lessons from Miller on distributing and scoring and lessons from Wes Money on moving without the ball and defense he would be an allstar again…albeit more the veteran kind as apposed to the high flying young guys.
I almost don't like having games on national TV
I’m so sick of the broadcasters (the crew tonight or any other night) not talking about the game. Way too much idle chit chat.
#52
I had the same thoughts last night.
And the chatter after the game was mostly non-basketball related or at least non-Blazer related even though they won the game. No respect! No respect I tell ya!
#20
Yes, I will say this after a win
the refs sucked. Terrible consistency whistling fouls, travels and just about everything else both ways. Yeesh
#52
Even with Howard draped over Rudy's head
Took the refs a bit to get it together. Had Rudy managed to work himself free a couple minutes earlier it probably would have been a no call.
Pretty ridiculous…
Did Nate win this one?
Meanwhile they overtook and then pulled away from their guests with the same fast-paced, cutting, driving, passing game that had served them well in the second period.
Fast paced? And Nate approved? Wait, this almost sounds like it’s up to the players to play hard an implement the plan. I’ve always thought they were puppets on a string and Nate was responsible for every win and loss.
Lots of Bedgers want to dump Nate because they think he can't coach a non-iso offense.
For five years he’s had a very young team and his best player was one of the top scorers off the dribble in the game. What was Nate supposed to do, not use his best weapon? And Nate-bashers should note that the Blazers did not run iso plays all the time even when Roy was healthy. Now that option is limited pretty much to Andre Miller, who excels at running a fastbreak offense. We’re seeing more transition buckets and a prettier game as a result.
The Blazers are seeing what they have right now. Nate is looking at the team and will further adjust the offense if necessary to compensate for Roy’s decline. We might see a lot more transition offense as a result if Nate decides that’s the best weapon in his arsenal.
Management will adjust the roster if they decide that an Oden-less and hobbled-Roy team isn’t going to take them where they want to go. I can’t wait to see what they do before the trade deadline, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they do nothing, especially if this team shows it can compete for a playoff spot. If management is sincere about wanting to roll the dice on Oden again, then they might prefer to keep Camby and Miller as long as they’re effective and hope that Oden can stay healthy and contribute to one or two runs at the Western Conference championship.
by MiledAnimal on Dec 10, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not to mention
for all the bashing he took moving Batum to the bench, it’s paying dividends after a brief adjustment period, hurt Roy or not.
by Billy Hoyle on Dec 10, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
the team was winning with Nic in the starting lineup
but that was before Roy returned from his knee swelling
which was caused by Nate overplaying Roy in early Nov
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The decision on Nate will be made at the end of the season, if not sooner
McMillian may even decide that he doesn’t want to be back, despite his NW ties
see my response about how the next 2 weeks will be critical re: veteran roster decisions (below)
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Agreed
Though it is interesting to see other fans react to their coach in the same way when their team doesn’t play to expectations. Blaming the coach seems to be the easiest to handle fan frustration.
either the coach or the refs
it’s a time-worn tradition
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It was a good win, but I don't really know what to make of it
I’m troubled that several of the players who had the best performances will probably be gone by the deadline. It’ll be to Portland’s everlasting shame that we’ve wasted these golden years of Miller’s career when he could’ve been the piece to put a real contender (Orlando? Miami this year?) over the top. Remember when Miller had to fight Steve Blake to start? That was funny.
I’m also troubled that too much importance could be attached to a home win vs. what I think is a blah Magic team – and that the Blazers will be tempted to wait even longer to begin retooling. In the grand scheme of things a home win vs. a 3rd or 4th seed from the East isn’t a season-changer.
LMA was once again nearly invisible. I just feel sorry for him at this point because it’s obvious the entire league knows he can be pushed around. Why was he ever given such a big contract? I wonder if the Vulcans knew more than they let on when they booted KP because some of these moves in hindsight are just awful. Legions of fans knew LMA was a non-impact player three years ago. Why couldn’t the front office see it? Now he’s become totally untradeable, whereas if he had a decent contract I bet many teams would love to have him. Hell, I’d love to have him if he made about half of what he makes. I can’t help harping on LMA game to game because he only plays up to his salary one of every four nights or so. And we’re stuck with him. Forever. It’s a very sad situation.
On the plus side, Matthews keeps playing well, redeeming the front office somewhat.
And, God help me, I thought Nate had a pretty good game plan in the second half to go one-on-one vs. Howard.
And most importantly, the ticket-buying fans got their $$’s worth.
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
I’m troubled that several of the players who had the best performances will probably be gone by the deadline.
David Aldridge and the TnT crew talked about this during the first half. DA reported (similar to Canzano) that his sources said Portland will evaluate the roster for 2 weeks (now that Przy is back) and then decide if they are going to sell off their veterans. This upcoming 4 game road trip is primo. If they go 0-4 again it will be “pull the lever” time. 1-3? Probably the same. 2-2 Yes-no-mebbe-so. 3-1 or 4-0 and the front office will keep ’em together and hope for a first round playoff series sneak attack
Someone (like Dave?) should write a couple thousand words about the key stretch of the season we’re heading into re: the Blazer’s future. But for now the sentences above should suffice.
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"But for now the sentences above should suffice."
You do realize that you just posted that on Blazersedge, right? lol
by MiledAnimal on Dec 10, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
that's why I added the qualifier "for now"
I was surprised that DA’s comment didn’t make the home page (or the sidebar, at least) on it’s own merit
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Well done by Nate
Did a good job throwing curveballs at Dwight and making the rest of the Magic beat us, and Vince’s absurdly pathetic road struggles carried us to the nice win (with a pretty solid boost from Shard and Nelson, too).
And can’t say enough about Dre this game. Regardless of whatever we were doing to pull Dwight out of the middle with LA, we would have struggled to score 75 in this game with no Andre out there. Created havok, carried us on offense late. It was an especially stark contrast with Roy’s complete ineffectiveness tonight.
I can’t see us pulling this off on the road against a good team, but we’re definitely still a tough out at home, FWIW.
#52
Nate PWND JVG, for sure.
His adjustments were well timed and he got contributions from his bench.
Towards the end of the game TNT was going on-and-on about Orlando’s travel schedule. Steve Kerr made flights sound like grueling treks up snowy peaks. Please—Orlando had all night last night to rest up for this match up What—NBA guys aren’t used to staying up a bit later? And certainly their tallest player didn’t look worse for wear. Perhaps the altitude took some of the wind out of Vince Carter’s already listless sails but—come on Kerr—that was a good ole’ fashion butt whoopin. How about some credit to Nate, Andre, and the rest of the Blazers on a game well played?
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 10, 2010 8:18 AM PST reply actions
TNT does not acknowledge the Blazers, for better or worse.
Early on it was all “how great is this Magic team?”. When they were losing, they were just too tired. :)
The Blazers received exactly zero coverage on the post game show other than the game highlight reel. At least David Aldridge was in the RG to get an interview after the game with Dre. It was the closest thing we got to any analysis or coverage of the team.
Really had me pining for the Mikes. Even Holton.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
no diferent than mike and mike when we are losing
they are always blaming something else when we are losing
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
the only diference between Chuck Norris and Andre Miller is one of them plays basketball
Hey Rudy! The spinning fade-a-way doesn't work!
by thomasikehara on Dec 10, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
To be fair
After listening to the Mikes, any different set of announcers is going to sound like they’re not praising the Blazers nearly enough.
#52
by Royster on Dec 10, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Doug Collins was the exception to that.
too bad he took on the impossible task of coaching Philly.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
too bad we couldn't switch the TnT audio to hear Dr. Jack
Ramsay was calling the game for national radio, courtside
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I concede that point.
Probably my least favorite thing about the Mikes. My gripe with TNT and a lot of other national coverage is just that they tend to ignore the Blazers, or any other smaller market team, even when they were just playing in the featured game. You expect the Blazer employed media to focus on the Blazers, the Magic’s TV crew to focus on the Magic, etc. Third party coverage should address both sides in order to have credibility.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
On one hand, I'm not a TNT hater: they sell a product, not a sport.
That product generates ad revenue from companies associated with the biggest brands (star players like D Rose, up-and-comers like John Wall, and ex stars like Michael Jordan). Glamorous players are TNT’s (and other networks’) palpable bread and butter. I’m sure network execs see instantly how these brands make their ratings and bonuses bigger.
Unfortunately, I don’t think that is a sustainable product. You just have to keep pumping new hype into new young players while unproven youngsters finish their rookie scale contracts having accomplished little to nothing related to winning basketball. This is why Andre’s rant against the league favoring youth is so justified. I can understand networks riding the hottest-new-thing to try and grab ratings. Such is the way of our culture. However, the refs should NOT be influenced by such hype. Are they? I’m sure they must be at least a little—that would be human nature. They love basketball like we do, turn on their TV’s, and have the young “stars” crammed down their throats with a shoe and a sports drink chaser.
But yeah—that said—I still think TNT sucks.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 10, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
And I think TNT sucks because they're totally out of touch.
The constant drama babbling, blog repeating, giggling, wacky fun with photo shop-ing—-all that stuff—all that is just incredibly dated and tacky. We all have access to the internet. We all read the same schlop David Aldridge and Steve Kerr waxed on-and-on about last night DAYS AGO. Boring. Talk about the game. Also, a segment where Charles makes a face and Kenny and the white guy laugh is just stupid. Enough already. Open mic night at the improv is that-a-way, gentlemen. When will you ever talk about actual basketball?
So yeah—TNT is like that heavy metal guitarist at church. You know, the guy stuck in the 80’s? I mean, Bro. Bro. Whitesnake is OVER. You can go back to retro, non-shrieking guitar sounds. We realize this new metallic ‘sound’ is the greatest in technological advancements. Seriously. We get it. It’s just…that ship has sailed. Now please leave the shredding of tacky hair band licks to the hours of time well spent in your garage. Thanks.
That’s what I think of TNT.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 10, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
SVG
the interesting point they made about travel last night was that a team like Chicago has an easier time because they’re in the middle of the country, versus Portland or the Florida teams who have longer flights. It’s obvious, but they mentioned that P-Jack said that it would be much harder for one of these “remote” teams (like the Heat) to ever break the Bull’s 72 win record
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Late game execution was the best I've seen so far this season...
Putting the ball in Andre Miller’s hands and letting him initiate the offense worked pretty well down the stretch. Maybe that is something we want to do more of?
We can still use Roy to initiate some plays, but having Andre take a bulk of them down the stretch of games makes us way less predictable and consequently much harder to defend.
The flow was the polar opposite of our losing games
early struggles with increasingly improved play. Go figure. Maybe we should start every game down 10 :)
by Billy Hoyle on Dec 10, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'm curious what the anti-nate crowd thinks about the Blazer's tactical domination at Orlando's offensive end.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 8:25 AM PST reply actions
the anti-nate crowd thinks that if Nate can adjust his philosophy to fit the players, and it works
then he will have surprised us all…
just don’t make the mistake of thinking that the anti-nate crowd is rooting against Nate. If we can get the anti-Nate without changing Nate, so much the better.
Things about this game that I found really interesting: 1) Blazer coach and players didn’t panic when Howard went all Hakeem on them; 2) on a related note, they didn’t automatically double Howard every time he touched the ball; 3) the offense looked flexible and adaptive
One other thing about this game that bears watching: Camby is an offensive liability when he isn’t passing the ball or cutting. Dude needs to layoff long range game. He’s about as accurate a trebuchet when you need a sniper….
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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 10, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I like this because last season shortly after the trade I dubbed Camby's outside shot "the trebuchet".
His biggest offensive weapon on this team aside from o-boards is the high low pass into the post, rather than his own shot.
I understand the anti-nate crowd is not rooting for the man to fail. I just find it interesting because it seems that the Blazers coach is better respected around the league than by his hometown fans. I think he has made coaching mistakes but over time I see him learning from those mistakes rather than repeating them. My feeling is the roster just isn’t as good as a lot of fans believe. Nate has coached his players to overachieve on many occasions.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
I can't say if he is the perfect coach for this team or isn't, but I think he is solid.
My fear is that after the season he will sign with a contender, like Miami for example, and the team will have to scramble, winding up with a worse fit.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
My fear is that after the season he will sign with a contender
Miller and Cho should be preparing for that contingency, right now. Mike Budenholzer (Pop’s lead assistant) is the target du jour
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the thing with Camby's shot/passing
is he has to be able to utilize both to setup the other. He’s been missing so far, but I’m still hoping the law of averages will see him hit a hot streak here soon. If he can’t bury that shot, then his defender can start to sag on those lob passes.
by Billy Hoyle on Dec 10, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
yeah I understand he has to hit that shot with some regularity in order to employ the passing effectively
That doesn’t make the shot look any less like a medieval siege engine though.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
the Marcu-chet needs to be recalibrated
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As Part of the Anti-Nate Crowd I Will Say This . . .
The main reason I want him gone as his reliance on the Brandon Roy ISO as the main stay of the offense. It has been particularly tough watching the Brandon ISO kill us during crucial times in almost every game we lost during that recent losing streak.
It appears that Nate learns very slowly, and he very frequently gets outcoached. In the past Brandon’s greatness allowed him to save us from Nate’s limited coaching skills. I can’t say how many times I’ve been watching games get out of hand due to him waiting two extra possessions to call a time out. He frequently takes a player out of the game when they’re hot and playing well because of his robotic substitution patterns. He does not know or understand how to work the referees like other coaches.
All this being said, it seems that both he and Brandon have finally accepted BRoy’s limitations — such as they are. The team is apparently beginning to play a more uptempo style that seems effective.
Finally, lets not understate how important it is for us to have a legitimate center again. Pryz seems to have lost a 1/4 step, but he is still very effective on the defensive end.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Anim8r and blacknoise.
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by Billy Ray Bates on Dec 10, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
all of this ^
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It takes time to adjust, it isn't him "learning slowly".
You can’t just change everything you do in a matter of a week. It’s not just him either, the whole team has to adjust and that will take time.
It's not just that easy to throw the guy who single-handedly rescued the trailbalzers aside.
The Brandon Isolation was the main play of the offense because few teams could stop it. Even with double teams, Brandon Roy made his hay off of that play. You don’t just throw it away after a few games when it doesn’t look as effective. Because players do have slumps. And Brandon Roy has earned enough credit to see if this was a slump or not.
Now, one may argue that they should have known with the story of his knees. But the thing is that they knew the story with his knees when he was having those good games. It was entirely fair to give Brandon a chance to show that he could still be Brandon Roy out there.
And to Nate McMillan’s credit, the longer the poor play continued, the more gradually he has worked away from it. Roy’s knees may be a more permanent problem now. And one might say, “well, everyone sees that.” But fans are also notorious for only remembering the last headline. Coaches have to know more than that. Coaches need that whole history. And is the knee worse now than it was before? I bet Roy keeps telling them “No, it’s not.”
You have to give Roy the benefit of the doubt. You have to take the chance to see if he can really turn it on again. Because when Roy was on we was an All-NBA second team type player. Fans may be able to afford to give up quickly on that, but coaches can not.
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940
"Because when Roy was on we was an All-NBA second team type player"
we are definitely much better fans when Roy is on :)
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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 10, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
High-low passing
Is anyone else in awe of Camby’s high-low passing skills. Some of his passes to LMA are so perfectly fit into a tight space it is ridiculous.
Obviously, Camby’s height gives him distinct advantage, in that he can see over the defense, but nonetheless, very, very impressive passing skills for a big man. His high-low lob passing to LMA is one of our major weapons on offense this year…and biggest pleasant surprises.
agreed
and is just one of the many things that Oden would also bring to the table were he healthy
by Billy Hoyle on Dec 10, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Sigh..
The team we have now, with a productive and healthy Oden, would make this team instantly competitive.
which is why any and everything that can be done to retain Oden and see if he will pan out is worth the risk
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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 10, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
that line makes me sad
and sounds so very familiar…and yet I agree
"Then a funny thing happened on the way to the morgue."
LOL; best quip of the season so far. Thanks.

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