Blazers Point Guard Andre Miller Suspended 1 Game For Plowing Over Blake Griffin
by Ben Golliver on Dec 6, 2010 5:38 PM PST
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The NBA has announced that Portland Trail Blazers point guard Andre Miller has been suspended without pay for one game by the league for "unnecessary contact with Blake Griffin of the Clippers" during the fourth quarter of Sunday night's game between Portland and Los Angeles.
Brian Cook, who levelled Joel Przybilla (video here), was also suspended for two games.
LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS' BRIAN COOK AND PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS' ANDRE MILLER SUSPENDED
NEW YORK, December 6, 2010 - Brian Cook of the Los Angeles Clippers has been suspended two games without pay for his Flagrant Foul, Penalty Two against Joel Przybilla of the Portland Trail Blazers, and Andre Miller of the Trail Blazers has been suspended one game without pay for making excessive and unnecessary contact with Blake Griffin of the Clippers, it was announced today by Stu Jackson, NBA Executive Vice President Basketball Operations. Upon postgame video review by the league office, Miller was assessed a Flagrant Foul, Penalty Two for his actions.
The incident involving Cook occurred with 4.5 seconds remaining in the third quarter of Portland's 100-91 win over the Clippers on Sunday, December 5 at Rose Garden. The incident involving Miller occurred with 7:06
remaining in the fourth quarter of the same game.
Cook will begin serving his suspension tonight when the Clippers host the Sacramento Kings at Staples Center. Miller will serve his suspension tomorrow when the Trail Blazers host the Phoenix Suns at Rose Garden.
John Hollinger of ESPN.com described Miller's contact with Griffin like this...
Portland's Andre Miller, however, is unlikely to be as fortunate. Midway through the fourth quarter, he turned himself into a human battering ram and torpedoed a blindsided Blake Griffin into the stanchion under the Clippers' basket; unlike Matthews' transgression, this one has abundant corroborating video. At the very least, Miller will likely have a flagrant foul 1 added to his file. The normally calm Griffin was upset enough to have a heated conversation with ref Pat Fraher over the unbelievable fact that none of the three refs saw it.
"There wasn't [a] foul called," said Miller. "I got my opportunity to get a lick in."
Update (3:45 PM):
It looks like the suspension will end Andre Miller's ironman consecutive games played streak. In 2008, a one-game suspension ended Bruce Bowen's 500 game streak.
Miller's streak stood at 632 consecutive games played, dating back to the 2002-03 season. The last game he missed was on January 24, 2003, when his Clippers faced the Minnesota Timberwolves. Tuesday night will mark just the fourth game Miller has missed in an NBA career that dates back to 1999-2000. All figures courtesy of Basketball-Reference.com.
If I had to guess, I would expect Patty Mills to get the start at point guard tomorrow night in Miller's place, although starting Nicolas Batum in a three-guard lineup is also an option that's on the table.
I asked Griffin for his reaction to the rough stuff last night. You can read it in full here.
"I thought we handled it well. We had guys stick up for our teammates. That's what you like to see. I just think you've got to keep that attitude, you can't let people punk us. I'm not saying that's what Portland was trying to do, but we can't back down from anybody."
UPDATE (4:37 PM):
Here's video of Miller flattening Griffin after getting into it on the boards on two previous possessions. Thanks to Brandon Mitchell.
Update (4:48 PM): The Blazers have tweeted confirmation that "Andre Miller's suspension will officially end his consecutive games played streak at 632, which was the longest active streak in the NBA."
Update (5:14 PM): Jason Quick writes, "McMillan said he will likely start Mills, who was promoted to backup point guard two games ago ahead of rookie Armon Johnson."
Update (6:14 PM): Here's the reverse angle of Miller's hit on Griffin, courtesy of Blazers Courtside with Mike Barrett, Mike Rice and Brian Wheeler.
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ironman streak
should still count. he’s not missing due to injury.
i could be wrong though. wouldn’t be a first.
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
that does suck,
should have an asterisk
*bogus
If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.
Dre checked Griffin
It was a classic veteran move.
LOVED IT from courtside.
Totally worth it.
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I can't believe I didn't see that during the game
by Billy Hoyle on Dec 6, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it happened fast
and there was no whistle, play probably just went on semi-normal on the television.
hell, even folks who were at the game missed i. lol
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Griffin certainly didn't miss it.
fun with videos
If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.
Maybe.
That would be the most meteoric rise to starter ever.
Looks like NBA 2k11 was right all along.
hey.
i currently don’t have xbox live, but I do expect some changes in the blazers roster. Armon, Dante, and LA got a boost… right? And I also expect Roy’s stats to go down. But I still expect him to be above 80… right?
Sorry dude.
I’ve been on a Madden binge. I would think you are right though.
Blake Griffin is ReDunkulous!! He is not of this system.
just shows what can happen if you ignore the critics,
and keep your focus.
I hope Greg is taking notes …..
If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.
It's a totally justifiable suspension for Miller
He gave new meaning to the term “intentional grounding”. Two handed push from behind, with a lot of running. And he later stated that it was intentional and that he got him good. Two games for Cook is a bit much, he wasn’t the one starting the fight. 1 for the foul maybe.
I'm not saying Miller doesn't deserve it
But with all of the stupid superstar calls they hand out to promote guys like LeBron and Durant, they should avoid suspending him to keep the streak alive.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
NBA is protecting their next superstar
I’m not saying ‘Dre didn’t deserve it, but Griffin is the “next big thing”
and Blazer fans will get a one game snapshot to see what “life without Miller” would be like
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Wish it was Roy who shoved Griffen....
but that would never happen….
by Natsthecat on Dec 6, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
B Roy drags this franchise out of the Jail Blazer era, suffers a career altering injury, and this is the best Blazer “fans” can come up with? Not saying he’s St. Brandon and can do no wrong (he needs to play D and we need to junk the Royfense), but questioning the competitiveness of Brandon Roy is just plain stupid.
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
by blazeraddict on Dec 6, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Well, actually when someone only rarely hustles on D I think it's perfectly justifiable to question their competitiveness.
Even prior to Roy’s knees degenerating to their current low, he was never a good defender and that is more on lack of consistent effort than lack of talent.
by mjswoosh on Dec 7, 2010 4:01 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
It's pathetic
It would be one thing if the guy got paid and stopped playing hard, or never played hard to being with, but clowning a guy who clearly isn’t right out there and is still doing everything he can do for this franchise is a punk move.
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
not clowning Roy. Just stating my opinion.
Roy has stated recently that the Blazers can win a game “here and there”.
To me this is wrong.
Brandon really pissed me off with this statement.
He is the LEADER of the team.
Is he saying “we can do it if we stick together and focus, work as a team, we’ve got talent, smarts”….etc…no…he says they can win a game “here and there”….
Others look to Brandon and take their cues from him.
Even if his knees aren’t letting him play to the level he once did, he can still have a positive attitude. He could still “fight” or “compete”.
He doesn’t seem to be doing this.
So yeah, I would be very surprised to see him taking anyone out to teach them a lesson. EVER.
here's the full quote he said from Joe Freeman
It all begs the question: Do the Blazers have enough players to hang in the Western Conference? “It just depends,” Roy said. "Do we have enough to win a game here and there? Yeah. But we’re thin. I don’t think that’s a secret.
“I just think we have to be realistic with how we continue to approach these games. We’ve almost stepped back into a developing phase. We’re developing guys again. I think we’re developing our bench. I think that’s some of the frustrations we’re having.”
he was referring to not having enough players to complete. You keep posting everywhere that he said they can only we a game here and there, without including what he was talking about and why. It’s true, if you don’t have back up pg, forward and center, makes it hard to compete with other teams even when they’re the nets, 76ers and wizards.
#52
yes, this is true.
It is hard to compete given the roster.
My point is that the leader of the team should not say “win a game here and there” REGARDLESS of the circumstances.
It just sounds weak. Especially from the leader of the team.
It seems Roy could have phrased this in a more positive way.
Something along the lines of needing to play smarter, move the ball, play to player’s strengths…COMPETE….
His statement…even in context, sounds like he’s conceding the season and giving himself an out.
kinda sad that the starting PG has to be the enforcer
looking at you, LMA…
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by two4larue on Dec 6, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a shame Pendergraph got hurt this year.
by pantsuit on Dec 6, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Jeff's a li'l bit
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Tacky!..
Cheap shots taken at Brandon Roy are unnecessary and show very little class…IMO.
by Ilikeemall on Dec 6, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Man that's a lame way to end the streak.
I hope this doesn’t kill it…
Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers
video?
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by jksnake99 on Dec 6, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
holy...
I loev me some Andre, but man that was dirty, if someone did that on ODEN his 2nd year, the blazers would petition
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by lanepete on Dec 6, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
would ODEN have been doing the same thing?
against a point guard?
if so he’d be due for the same.
Rookie Blake earned that hit from Veteran Dre.
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
i dont think anyone deserves a hit like that except Bruce Bowen
but believe me, it says a lot about andre to do that…im glad to see our team have some fight in them.
that hit just was a little uncalled for.
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by lanepete on Dec 6, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
blake earned it
not that is matters a ton, but i was front row courtside and i saw blake getting away with lots of offensive fouls.
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
lol thats no reason for the decking
BUT it was annoying
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by lanepete on Dec 6, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i guess, but isnt that just the NBA?
dont get me wrong, im proud as a blazer fan to see him do that, but i dont think its ‘right’ and his suspension is just.
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i think the hit was right and the suspension was right
Dre drew a line in the sand. Dre won the game.
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
lol
im kind of on the same page, tho i am nervous about our pg situation, now was not the time. we need that PHX win
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It's fine. Andre didn't under cut him. He just shoved him.
Griffen fell on his butt. And Griffen probably has at least #50 on Andre.
Am betting Griffen doesn’t shove Andre in the back anymore.
Yeah, I think Griffen did something to Andre first...and got away with it.
Was at the game and saw NEITHER!!! But they said BG did something to Andre first. Andre should point this out if true.
I recorded the game and will be watching for the Blake against Andre move…sometimes the cameras don’t pick everything up though!
Oden would have never been able to push someone in the back without a foul being called.
by Timmay! on Dec 6, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Blake is getting Durant style rookie calls
NBA, where “breakout” stars are sold.
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Oden isn't in a new city or on a bad team
thus, no extra fouls
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
that's what i'm saying, bro.
so now we do know refs are snakes. I’m sure you guys have all seen it on youtube before. all those bad calls on oden.
The first game, I saw Griffin pushing us in the back and stuff, but I just let it slide. Didn’t seem like a big deal. So the next day I talked to my friend, and he said “Yeah, he got most boards from pushing.” And now, we have people complaining on that. So yeah, the ref’s are definitely evil. Or it might just be the NBA.
antonio harvey was saying it was in retaliation
for some crap griffin pulled on andre a possession or two before, that he got away with, but not for long.
the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery
bwahahahahaha
he totally deserved that suspension.
i retract my earlier comment,
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Dec 6, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Im posting it right now
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by brandonmitchell on Dec 6, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
I cannot officially condone such a display of utter awesomeness.
I’d be calling for multiple game suspensions if that happened to one of our guys. But it warms my heart to see players on this team caring.
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940
by T Darkstar on Dec 6, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
AB-SO-FRICKEN-LUTELY!!!!!
I’m glad we have guys who will go toe to toe for eachother.
"‘These guys on Blazersedge are calling you an idiot!’" —Rich Cho’s wife
agree. Andre took matters into his own hands.
I’m SURE those refs are hearing about the NO calls on Griffen. Maybe this will change how the refs look at Griffen’s play from here on out. That would be the ideal outcome.
Also the no-touch fouls that were called on LMA and Camby…ughh…re-watched the game and there were at least 3 of these. Truly NO TOUCH.
Made me feel better about the hard fouls Joel and Camby laid on this creep.
Wow.
I watched the game and missed that. That was dirty. And awesome. He got caught so he deserves the suspension. I love Andre.
[ insert witty comment here ]
by RenoBlazerFan on Dec 6, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hate to say it, but Miller deserved it, especially after admitting his intentions.
I am glad to see that Wesley hasn’t been suspended for leaving the bench after the Cook incident (which Hollinger predicted would happen).
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 6, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm very glad
Andre punked him. The refs weren’t calling anything. Andre got a huge shove in the back two plays in a row. It was a bit too much but I can’t blame him.
by JeffePortland on Dec 6, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
He’ll come back against the Magic and score 53, just to piss Stern and Jackson off for breaking his record.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I thought it was awesome! That must've felt so good for Andre to get back at griffin.
I can’t stop watching the replay. haha
Sucks he got suspended, but he definitely deserved it.
#52
by bustabucket on Dec 6, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The more I watch it
The more I like it.
Just waiting for the Ducks to lose.
by NBAstard on Dec 6, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Little man must be made of iron to send a big guy to the floor with that kind of force
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Dec 6, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
good for the suns
portland badly need him and a win
Is that guy 26 or 36?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 6, 2010 3:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just be glad we don't lose Camby for a game too.
That shot to the head he gave Griffin in the second half of the fourth quarter was near suspension-worthy.
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not really, if that is a suspension worthy foul then they should just make flagrant fouls automatic one game suspension.
Here is a video of Camby’s flagrant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atF7CkM2cMc
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by brandonmitchell on Dec 6, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
For those who haven't seen the details
I replayed it earlier today. Andre was shoved from behind by Blake when going for an offensive rebound. No foul was called. This seemed to be a repeated behavior when Blake would push or go over the back during the game. It’s also possible this wasn’t the first incident between the two of them.
Andre was clearly angry… he turned to say something to Blake, who ignored him and ran upcourt.
Andre trailed Blake upcourt, and seemed to decide that if Blake thinks that pushing from behind is acceptable, he’ll show him how it’s done.
It was clearly retaliatory. It felt like Blake was seeing how far he could push his boundaries without getting a foul call, and the boundary limit is named “Andre Miller”.
Andre earned his one game suspension. After seeing the replay a couple times, it’s surprisingly funny to watch Andre completely level Blake out of bounds.
by Timmay! on Dec 6, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
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Yeah it happened about 3-4 times, the last 2 times Andre you could tell was getting pissed and then Blake was hit. It should be one game suspension for Andre but Griffin never did push Andre in the back again in the game…
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by brandonmitchell on Dec 6, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
You know
if the NBA would allow a little more animated complaining to the officials that would never have happened.
Or something like that.
Just waiting for the Ducks to lose.
by NBAstard on Dec 6, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Andre had talked to the refs prior to the incident.
They were approachable and he seemed to plead his case.
The refs don’t call T’s unless you start clapping, yelling of holding up your arms at them on the court.
I am desensitized
The last few times I’ve watched it I’ve laughed. Oh, testosterone, thank you.
It’s just funny to me now.
Just waiting for the Ducks to lose.
I still hear a lot of player's yell out, "And 1". I would T them up so fast..............
their heads would spin.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Dec 6, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
roy would lead the leage in T's then
he always shouts out or yells after every drive to the hoop, subconsciouly (or consciously) i wonder if that pisses off the refs and makes them not call em
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Yes, I would give him a flagrant for his pubescent yelping...AAAAAAAhhhhh!
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Dec 6, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
i swear...a funny video
would be of EVERYtime he yells that crappy ’AYYYY!"
It happens EVERYTIME. i swear he didnt do this 2 years ago! but last year and this year i hear it everytime.
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I would also give him a "T" for turrible for that Ford commercial.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Dec 6, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
which one?
I think I’ve seen 3-4 so far
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with Griffen? Or Roy? Can't imagine Griffen advertising
anything. Can’t imagine him passing any screen tests.
especially when Roy was quoted
saying that the refs were giving him the benefit of the doubt re: calls, a few years ago
Refs read the internets, too (or they have ref interns that do it for them) Brandon started getting stiffed re: calls following that comment…imagine that
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Screenshots of incident with Andre pushing Griffin to the ground hard
Pleading his case to official before with 8:17 to go about something that had annoyed him http://imgur.com/QfTgx.jpg
Miller approaching fast at about the free throw line ;) http://imgur.com/bgJzo.jpg
Push 1 http://imgur.com/f9SDF.jpg
Push 2 http://imgur.com/yWu3w.jpg
Push 3 http://imgur.com/CGjvg.jpg
Push 4 http://imgur.com/BrXsB.jpg
lol thats great.
good investigative work
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Here is a better version of the video which also includes what was going on before with Miller and Griffin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLAPJiETLCE
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by brandonmitchell on Dec 6, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Yes you can,
since that’s what they are doing to Andre – Griffin should sit a game too, his 2 pushes in the back are both cheap shots, and the second, into another players, could have hurt Miller. Its all on tape…
I’d say Miller earned his day off, and Griffin deserved it big time, and got it BIG TIME!
Was Andre a running back or linebacker?
Classic.
in push 3
ALL THREE REFS are looking directly at the play (and not the ball). And no whistle? Amazing.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
Andre sold it pretty well as a collision if you didn’t see him coming all the way from the other end of the floor. I suppose what did him in more than some observers immediately noting it (e.g. Hollinger) was later admitting that he did it intentionally.
He probably wanted everyone to know it was intentional.
Sends a message to his teammates that he’s willing to get mean when necessary and they should be as well. Also sends a message to other teams not to mess with the Blazers because there will be repercussions. If there has been a rift in the team chemistry I’ll bet this goes a long way towards repaoring it.
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by annthefan on Dec 6, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
It looks so intentional that...
I think Andre wanted a foul called so the refs would have to start calling it on Griffin.
But the refs didn’t call it,so the players prob thought the refs tacitly accepted it as proper retaliation.(And the refs prob thought Blake was flopping.)
Think Blake was caught off guard.
So doubt the flop! Otherwise I’d say yes to the flop as Griffen has about 50 lbs. on Miller!!!
That's hilarious.
Wonder what the rook did to deserve that.
he shoved Andre in the back more than once. See above comments...
said Andre was going for an offensive rebound and Griffen shoved him in the back.
And that he did this more than once…
Good for Andre..but why aren’t fouls called AGAINST Griffen and touch fouls called whenever BG went to the basket….
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Is that guy 26 or 36?
maybe my 3rd team?
I’m a suns fan
Is that guy 26 or 36?
by sun_equalizer on Dec 6, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
as long as blazers are #1
=)
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I bet it's a Roy-Matthews-Batum-Aldridge-Camby starting lineup tomorrow night
With an outside shot of Roy-Rudy-Matthews-Aldridge-Camby.
I hope not.
I don’t think Roy can handle running the point right now.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 6, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
tee hee
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 6, 2010 5:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
no one can really handle running the point
except for #24
that’s been the lesson of the 2010-2011 season, so far
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unfortunately
I can only hope some of this fight spills into the game to motivate the guys without Dre playing. Even if they lose this is something I can get behind as a fan.
Watching Dre stand up for himself and the guys all back Pryz is priceless!
BG desserved it
and at least Dre didn’t do it when he was up in the air.
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I think this is they'll go with.
Don’t know why Ben called it a “three-guard lineup”.
Stealth > Wealth
Even if Miller's streak officially ends
You know Mike Barrett will continue to remind us every game that his streak is still ongoing.
Also, whoever went over to the Clippers blog
And argued that Brian Cook just decked a player who missed an entire year… Griffin did too, so it’s a poor argument.
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A year is a year.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 6, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Andre's foul was unnecessary and hard but
But the foul on Joel was hard and far more dangerous with Joel in the air. The NBA agrees, thus Cook got 2 games. I don’t think the fact that Griffen deserved a hard foul played into the NBA’s decision at all.
by 52therim on Dec 6, 2010 7:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well deserved suspension for a well deserved cheap shot.
He didn’t undercut him, so I’m okay with it. If you don’t like soft, this is a good play. It’s nice to see guys jawing and protecting each other after hard fouls but it has to translate to something more than just talk sometimes. I’ve been waiting for someone to get mad, for a coach to get tossed, etc. Anything to inject some life into these guys and turn this thing around.
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by Benjamanic on Dec 6, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
If you don’t like soft, this is a good play
Let the players police themselves, that was how the NBA was, pre-David Stern
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by two4larue on Dec 6, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Horrible and Selfish
He is supposed to be a veteran. He should know that he’s pretty much the only point guard on the team and they can’t afford for him to miss a game. His selfishness just to keep his Brett Favre like streak alive should have been enough to keep him from stooping to Rick Fox’s level.
Wrong
It would have been selfish to keep the streak alive and not enforce.
Dre put the team first with that hit.
Enjoy the Ride
by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Having to miss a game
When you’re just about the only thing holding the team together is not team-first.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 6, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
But to think that you're the only thing holding the team together is selfish in the first place
It all depends on how you approach this. There’s no real right answer here unless we can get inside his head, which is impossible.
If it's true, mentally acknowledging it is not selfish.
Would it have been selfish for Michael Jordan to realize that he was the leader of the 95-96 Bulls and act accordingly? It would have been realistic.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 6, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Still, the emotional can't be substituted for the rational
We’re all human beings. Sometimes, especially in a game with emotions running as high as the one last night, we are caught up in emotions. Sometimes, it’s even necessary.
Selfishness in this case is very debatable.
This team needs more "Enforcer" more than a win against the Suns
Something needed to snap mentally for these guys. Good to see some of them finally refusing to take crap.
TiH is a satirical character on Blazersedge
More likely than not, he’s just joking with this comment.
You wouldn't see BRoy put the team at risk with such juvenile behavior.
He KNOWS the team can’t afford to have him miss a game.
by Natsthecat on Dec 6, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
now THAT is satire
well done
Enjoy the Ride
by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
You beat me to it
We could only hope BRoy would take one for the team (and maybe even take a game or two from the league). The instant energy drain BRoy’s court time has brought this year is killing the rest of this team. Iso and stand around waiting… Then throw up your hands from the floor wondering why you don’t get the calls real stars get. I know it will never happen but I’d love to see BRoy come off the bench and anchor a second unit that would face second unit defenses. Maybe he could actually be a step quicker than some of them.
yeah, wouldn't it be awesome if Roy got like suspended for like the rest of the year.
That would be the best!!!! Lottery parties, remember those, so much fun!!!!!!! I can’t wait to be the worst team in the league.
#52
Wow, way to use facts there! made me laugh though.
the same could be said for Camby, LMA and Andre then.
whatever works to your advantage then, haha
#52
Yawn.
Aren’t you tired of this old rant yet Tom? I know I am.
Andre didn’t do anything selfish in that move, except to protect himself and the rest of the team from being shoved around and into other players while going for rebounds, most of which involves being in the air, which could be very dangerous.
Blake Griffin seems like a punk kid to me from what I’ve seen of him so far. He deserved a little lesson on earning respect and being respectful.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Tom doesn't appreciate toughness when he sees it
Watch out, Tom, or else I’ll start making with the toughness posts again. Actually, I know you miss them…
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
Where I come from, it's called flanking and a smart strategic move.
How long until Ackley time?
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
I don't blame him for doing it, he was obviously mad
I just wish he would have retaliated in a different way. Maybe an elbow under the basket would have not earned him a suspension.
tom is grasping at humor straws
Hawaii is the fourth least populated state and everyone there must also be tired of his shtick.
Now unfortunately the mainland also has to put up with his tired act.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Geez, kinda jumping on TiH, aren't we?
Maybe you’re tongue in cheek, I dunno. Personally, I was just joshin’. BE can get awfully tired with all the serious analysis and discussion—as if the fate of the Free World hung on the Blazers’ won-loss record.
Er, basketball IS just a kid’s game, you know? All the scientific analysis in the world won’t dress it up into something it ain’t. TiH and Mortimer helped get me hooked on BE to begin with. Lately, I’ve wondered why I still hang around…
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
by hurryup09 on Dec 7, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Any "game" that racks in billions in revenue...
hardly qualifies as a “kid’s game”. Just sayin’…
I wish you could stay on topic
Do you realize that Patty Mills is now going to start for the Blazers? Let me say that again, because you somehow will twist my being unhappy that Mills is starting into a knock on Miller. PATTY MILLS IS STARTING FOR THE BLAZERS. That is not a good thing.
Andre Miller could have retaliated in a way that would not have gotten him suspended. It was a stupid play. Again, this has nothing to do with me thinking Miller is a jerk and everything to do with him making a stupid play. He is a veteran and should know better than to get suspended. It is as simple as that.
ahhh...Miller is human.
He probably didn’t think it through. I’m almost positive he wasn’t weighing his decision before he acted.
Also he is back to 1 consecutive game played….so it seems he just DID it….you know?
I agree
He should have waited for Blake to get behind him and gave him a good elbow. I don’t blame Miller for what he did. I just wish he would have used his veteran savvyness to get Blake back without getting suspended.
It's a dirty play
Just because it’s Andre Miller and I don’t like him, doesn’t make it a clean play. He could have injured Gfriffin or even caused whiplash. If someone would have done the same play to Miller, fans here would be calling for the guy to be kicked out of the NBA.
If you’re taking this stand, then I hope you were here supporting Trevor Ariza when he hit Rudy.
by tominhawaii on Dec 7, 2010 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
oh come on....Ariza took Rudy out of the air.
Rudy did not shove Ariza on 3 separate occasions (one shove that Griffen gave Miller was with 8 minutes left in the first quarter) before Ariza undercut him while Rudy was running full speed down the court.
Blake was standing still. Miller pushed him and he fell. There were about 6 falls in this game that could have caused more injury than this one!!
Also Blake could have caused injury to Miller when he shoved Miller in the back and into another moving player.
I think if Blazer fans saw exactly what happened leading up to this…if a Blazer had been pushing like Griffen was…and this player shoved the offending Blazer like Miller did…the Blazer fans would not be calling for the guy to be kicked out of the NBA.
As a matter of fact, the Blazer fans don’t seem to support bullies much at all…see…JAIL BLAZERS….
by Natsthecat on Dec 7, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OK let's be rational here
I just rewatched the Ariza-Rudy play…and it wasn’t as dirty as this. Yes, Rudy got hurt…but that’s because of the way he landed. If you’re fouled in the air like that, you can get hurt, even if Ariza was going for the ball, which he was. As hard as the foul was, it was not a malicious play.
The Griffin shot? Completely malicious. There is so much physical contact under the baskets. Griffin took a serious beating, getting hit hard plenty of times by Przybilla and Camby. So Miller can’t take a little shove? So maybe it was a foul on Griffin those two times, but nothing more than that. People get shoved under the basket, so Miller shouldn’t have been a baby about it. It was nothing malicious or overly physical.
But what Miller did? That is uncalled for. Honestly, look at this from the other side. Imagine if Oden, the Blazers’ number one overall who missed a lot of time with injury, gets physical under the Clippers’ veteran point guard, Baron Davis, who is much smaller and will easily get shoved. Next play down the court, Baron blindsides Oden, who has already missed a lot of time, just like Griffin. You’re saying it’s all OK because he wants team unity or whatever, and because he got shoved a little under the hoop? This type of behavior is unacceptable in the NBA. Dre should have known better.
And to everyone calling Griffin a punk…he is known as a standup guy on and off the court. He is, however, a very physical player. But that also means people are overly physical against him, as in the few shots to the head he took in this game, and the countless other times he has been taken down this season. But as physical as he plays, he is not malicious. What Dre did was malicious. He’s the real punk.
by kamonster on Dec 7, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no...
i think i made a fair argument here. what’s wrong with what i said?
the part about Rudy and Ariza...
not intentional or malicious perhaps but very very dangerous…taking someone out of the air….Rudy is STILL feeling the effects of that foul.
i didn't say it wasn't dangerous...
yes, it was dangerous, but if you watch the replay he was going for the ball. i understand the injury to rudy was serious, but i don’t think what ariza did was intentional. he wasn’t running down court thinking “i’m going to level this guy” the same way miller was. and i don’t think ariza said “i wished i hit him harder” after the game. injuries happen in basketball, and they suck. you can probably tell i’m a clipper fan, and i know you guys know all about injuries too. but realize that there is a HUGE difference between accidental, unintentional injuries occurring in the flow of the game, and intentionally taking someone out and then saying “i wish i hit him harder.” what miller did was dirty. and it turned out to safe, because griffin didn’t get hurt, but he could have. honestly, not to bring up oden again, but imagine if davis did that to oden, how up in arms everyone would be about hitting your delicate number one overall pick? would you really buy it if davis said “i wanted to hit him harder, but it’s fine because its safe?”
i hope you don’t hold it against me that
i hope you don't hold it against me that i'm a clips fan
i’m just trying to show the other side, because everyone here seems to be celebrating miller as a hero. this kind of behavior should not be supported or allowed anywhere. cook deserved to be tossed and suspended as well, and i am not supporting what he did to przybilla. no clipper fans are saying “przybilla was playing dirty, he deserved that. good job cook!” and przybilla did take some hard shots at griffin, got him in the head a few times and fans were upset about that. but you don’t support that kind of retaliation.
First of all Oden
would have been called for the fouls that led up to what Andre did… there is NO WAY he would have gotten away with this.
Also Davis probably couldn’t have shoved Oden to the ground. I think Oden is stronger than Griffen. He is more injury prone of course….but also stronger when standing still.
you're missing the point...
i’m just saying, that if you flip this around and it was your injury prone number 1 pick getting leveled like that, you would be really upset. do you agree with that?
sure
We would have strung the guy up. But that’s not how it happened and it’s not how fandom works. Miller basically did the same thing Griffin was doing to him only about twice as hard.
We get to be mad about a 255 lb PF trying to push our 200 lb PG around…you get to be mad that our 200 lb PG put your 255 lb PF on his butt to teach him some respect.
If Griffin had been injured things probably would be different…but it was a hard push and not much chance of injury unless you want to count a busted rear and a slightly bruised ego.
Also no...nobody holds it against you that you are a Clippers fan.
Miller as a hero is probably because the current roster is very very NICE. And there has been some question as to how much they care about winning lately…and the whole “3rd and 4th quarter collapse” due to lack of confidence thing has been in the air.
It was good to see a Blazer stand up for himself. It is on the refs. They should call fouls. It should not be up to a player to take things into his own hands.
Agreed
If Griffin hadn’t been given star treatment Miller wouldn’t have had to play enforcer. Refs get the blame on this.
Office Max should have some
Are you looking to wrap presents or ship something?
by tominhawaii on Dec 6, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This video needs to be looped with Benny Hill music in the background.
I could watch it, doubled over in laughter, for a while.
the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery
Pretty cheap shot
Lucky he only got a game, if Griffin came up injured from that he probably would have had to sit 2 or 3. Still, it might make the next tilt with the Clips a bit more interesting than normal, that was a chippy game throughout
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
A Blazers-Clippers rivalry would be the most random thing ever.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 6, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well, this site has always hated LA...
Unfortunatley, if you look at the rosters, I’d say the Clippers have a much higher ceiling. The only major thing holding them back is Sterling (I blame the Vinny D hiring on him, so coaching is folded under that umbrella as well), he’ll probably trade Griffin to the Bulls or Thunder in 2 seasons in a Gasol esque robbery
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
Belongs on this season's highlight reel for sure.
The NBA – it’s Fantastic funny & stuff!
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
A great opportunity to experiment with lineups.
Let Batum mess around a get a triple double as a point forward.
Let Patty get hip to hip with Nash and come dangerously close to flagrant dry hump.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Dec 6, 2010 4:21 PM PST reply actions
God forbid Dre did this to Durant.
He’d be suspended for 5 games.
but it would get inside KD's head
so it might be worth it
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Don't we have rookies to do this though?
Babbitt you’re in, I want you to sweep the leg. You got a problem with that?
No sensei…
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 6, 2010 5:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
GET HIM A BODYBAG, YEAH!
How long until Ackley time?
AL Scout on Rendon: "I would peg him as a poor man's Jose Lopez."
I don't see what the problem is
looked to me like Dre might have tripped over MC’s foot and just kind of fell into Blake. It’s also possible that Dre thought the shot was going up and was just trying to box out, and since Dre is a stud Blake couldn’t withstand force.
that would've been my story...
[ insert witty comment here ]
by RenoBlazerFan on Dec 6, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
No way I’m buying what you’re selling, dre leveled him!
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by Tyler Durrden on Dec 6, 2010 5:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wes Matthews quote on his part was great...
“I know I didn’t get on the court. There was no intention for me to go out there, it was just a spur-of-the-moment type thing, so hopefully I’m all right. David Stern, I didn’t do anything. I’m just an intense player and I love my teammates.”
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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my video got booted for mr. mitchell
all good
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by Timmay! on Dec 6, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
One cheap shot deserves another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9lHM6h40Zo
"I don't get much. I don't expect much. I don't give much. I'm generally happy with whatever comes my way."
...
Here is the full incident including pushing before hand on previous plays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLAPJiETLCE
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by brandonmitchell on Dec 6, 2010 4:45 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
lol @ griffin saying they weren't going to get punked
Video evidence says the exact opposite. Repeatedly giving small cheap shots in the back is the definition of trying to punk someone.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Note that he didn't say they weren't going to punk other teams.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Sorry NBA, this doesn't end a damn thing. His streak is still good in my book. If he misses a game due to injury then it will be
over. So I’ll just keep adding the games on top of the streak. By the way, why is the NBA protecting the golden boy? Just shows they only care about teams from big markets. The Clippers still suck, and will always suck.
i seriously thought that "ironman" streaks...
…were tied to missing games due to injury.
Enjoy the Ride
by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think somebody should keep counting and just put an asterisk in there.
I agree it should just be because of injuries.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 6, 2010 5:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What a chippy game
for two teams pretty much headed nowhere this season. Let’s see someone do that to Lebron. They’d get kicked out of the league.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 6, 2010 5:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Andre did something similiar to Dwayne Wade last year.
I’ve never found a video of it, but I didn’t look very hard. It was the game in Miami. Wade had been running a layup drill on Andre and the Blazers all night. At some point in the 3rd Qtr, Wade tried to get around Andre and ended up face first eating hardwood under his own basket. Andre was called for a Flagarant 1. However, Wade stopped driving to the hoop, and Portland won.
Andre Miller doesn’t really care if you are the top contender for ROY or a future Hall of Famer or a perennial All-Star or an Olympic Gold Medal winner or a darling of the NBA, he’ll go nose-to-nose with anyone. Love ya ’Dre! Keep up the good work.
normally, no. i don't like drama
but this game was seriously ridiculous. you just can’t stand there and let someone push you around like that.
"‘These guys on Blazersedge are calling you an idiot!’" —Rich Cho’s wife
That's what I mean
Like, I always wished Arvydas would have just elbowed Shaq in the nose, hard, one time.
Attention please. ATTENTION..
Someone please make an animated .gif of Andre Miller demolishing Blake Griffin. Anyone have that expertise? I must have it!
Thank you. ;)
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
by halo_on on Dec 6, 2010 5:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Three things...
1. Wow, how did I miss that during the game?
2. Wow, what a cheap shot on Griffin.
3. Well done, Andre, well done!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I wish the announcer at the game tonight would say:
AND SITTING ON THE BENCH WITH A ONE GAME SUSPENSION…..ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDRE MILLLLLLLLLLLLLER!!!
And then the RG could give Andre a standing ovation.
This would make the loss TOTALLY worth it!!!
Am going to the game tonight….
After seeing the whole thing...
Andre definitely deserves the suspension, but it looks like Griffin just might have earned the shove.
Griffin Rule
I was at the game and saw the whole thing. I saw the push right before so I kept my eye on it for the clothesline off the top ropes…
I am glad that Andre did it, hopefully it will get the word out that the league is ridiculous when it comes to Griffin. Can anyone tell me how many ‘fouls’ Griffin drew last night? It was at least 10 and how many fouls did he have? 2 I believe.
With this incident getting air time maybe some one will complain at how the favoritism is prevalent, but that is probably just my wishful, ‘life is fair,’ mentality.
Andre my heart goes out for losing the streak, I would have done the same thing.
by netback on Dec 6, 2010 5:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You see the amazing results this has for team morale
So now you can understand the urgent need for a bona-fide wide body banger style player to enforce the paint. It needs to be someone capable of scoring 10 points in 20 minutes (sadly that’s not Joel). C’mon Cho, you know this is true.
IMHO
That was a shout-out to Maurice Lucas. Somewhere Mo is smiling right now and waiting for LA to man up and throw his body around a bit.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
by DonkeyShins on Dec 6, 2010 5:38 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Luke can keep waiting
Maurice was already throwing his weight around for years by the time he was LMA’s age. That dog won’t get off the porch and hunt.
Portland has needed to add “another Lucas” to the roster for years, now. This is why the decision not to draft DeJuan Blair was so annoying
Nate had Art Long, Reggie Evans, Nick Collison and Danny Fortson when he was coaching Seattle. Besides Z-bo, Joel and Greg, McMillian hasn’t had any scrappers with size at the big man positions (Camby, Outlaw, Cunningham are skinny “energy” guys, while Skinner, Magliore, Diogu, Ruffin and Pendergraph didn’t play enough to really factor)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
In retrospect, I think that decision may not be the worst of decisions.
After having a few very good players turn out just like everyone feared on draft night, taking another flier on a high potential/high injury risk player may not have been that bad. Because Blair is good. We’d be relying on him heavily right now. And if he went down, our holes would be even bigger.
Of course, Blair may turn out to be the one that works out fine. Figures.
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940
If Bedge accepts Pop as the end all, be all in coaching
Can we let Blair go?
Pop doesn’t want to play him either since he is so horrible at D.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Blair's sharing minutes with McDyess and Splitter
and averaging more mpg than either of them (and just a shade less than Bonner)
would that Portland had such front court depth
20 mpg of DeJuan would virtually solve Portland’s defensive rebounding discrepancy
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Blair is starting and often getting only 7 minutes of play
Since he can’t guard most 4s, and he can only guard some 5s.
And because he kind of stinks.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
were we having this debate last spring?
and you were telling me that shorter-bulkier PFs are overrated?
Kevin Love is showing (once again) that positioning and fundamentals beats length and hops
the challenge for Cho is to find a similar tough-nosed rebounder to backup LMA, if not Blair then someone like him. KP’s best effort was Pendergraph, Rich needs to do better than Jeff
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Pleeeeeeease do not use Love as proof DeJuan Blair is tall enough to play in the NBA
There’s way too big of a difference there.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Blair is already playing in the NBA
so I don’t know why I’d bother making that comparison
no one was particularly high on K-Love’s NBA career until this fall, either
The point that I’m trying to make is that players who are 6’7 and 250+ still have a place in the NBA, if they have a non-stop motor, decent wingspan and now how to use their backsides to gain space and hold their position. I’d love to see Portland find an inexpensive 6’10 beast with all of these attributes (plus back-to-the-basket moves) but they’re kind of hard to come by. So I’ll settle for a fire hydrant who’s been told that he “can’t” and plays with a chip on his shoulder because of it
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Amen
They’re called “role players” for a reason. Love is having a monster year, but I would kill to have a Blair or Big Baby type player to give us 15-25 mpg off the bench.
Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.
by blazeraddict on Dec 6, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah this was essentially why I was so pissed we didn't draft Blair.
And as an aside, his condition is not nearly so degenerative or debilitating as missing 90% of your menisci or even having double microfracture. Blair should be able to fulfill role player duties for quite some time.
I may have overstated my case
But Blair simply can’t handle certain match-ups. Guys like him and Chuck Hayes have a place, but the Kevin Love comparison was just too much for me.
Not many people were high on Kevin Love before this season, but a few were. I think Love’s a jerk, and I don’t want him for the Blazers, similar to Tom’s schtick about Andre, but the guy has way better tools than Blair, in that his offensive game is lightyears beyond Blair’s and he has reasonable length for an NBA PF. That makes up for some of his poor defensive effort, an area he can improve upon. Blair is handicapped by his lack of speed and length, something he can’t change to improve defense.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
They both are very bad at defense
Why DeJuan Blair might not work for the Spurs
Blair is at least willing, but unable to defend anyone due to his height and slow speed.
Love sacrifices any team philosophy to pad his stats. He will be a perennial loser in the league while putting up gaudy box scores.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
if we had blair
you know he would be hurt
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
the only diference between Chuck Norris and Nicolas Batum is one of them plays basketball
by thomasikehara on Dec 6, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Dante Cunningham has managed to stay healthy
so I don’t “know” about Blair, one way or the other. The Spurs seem to be using him about right to keep him on the NBA active list
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
JP
got hurt.
he’s a banger. looking forward to seeing him back on the court.
Enjoy the Ride
by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Mills drops 18 and 8 tomorrow night
…and proves all the people who said he’s nowhere near an NBA player WRONG!
Patty's played well and deserves the backup PG position
but I just wonder if we’ve seen the last of AJ for awhile. It would be a shame not to give him at least some minutes. Just hope he’s not destined for trade fodder.
"I don’t think it’s lost. I don’t think it’s lost. It’s adversity and something that we have to deal with. We wish it wasn’t like this, but it is."
-Brandon Roy 11/18/2010 as told to CBSSports.com blog
D-league
obviously not this week, but if Portland wants Armon to develop against his peers, they need to send him to Boise
and replace Mills with a veteran, unless they’re already conceding this season
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Nong? Dill?
I prefer Dead Cert
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Dinkie Di ain't bad, either
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I always liked "bogan"
Could never get a solid definition on that, but it seemed to apply to the frat-rat crowd. I like to refer to Bogut as Bogan for this reason.
Stealth > Wealth
Love the foul by Andre, and think he totally deserves to be suspended for it.
He probably thinks it was worth it even if his streak comes to an end.
As for the cook foul, I have to say I’m surprised he’s out for two games. He didn’t have a play on the ball or try and make a play on the ball, but he also didn’t try for joel’s head or neck or anything. It was stupid and reckless with Joel being in the air, but he certainly didn’t seem intent on doing major harm on Joel either.
With that said I’m surprised b Davis didn’t get more from the league office. He came rushing in from well away from the play and clearly got Batum across the throat. Certainly he could have done more harm than a player getting off the bench, and if theyd enforce a one game suspension in that case, I’m surprised they would let him off with just a technical.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 6, 2010 5:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I like Andre and feel bad about his streak, but
no one better mess with Griffin, it’d be tragic if he gets injured again. Good lord is that guy fun to watch.
My current list of favorite guys to watch in the league, in ascending order – CP3, Noah, Love, Griffin. And a big gap between Love and Griffin.
Griffin looked like he gave a few cheap shots first
He just didn’t finish what HE started. Dre finished it for him. Totally agree about watching him play, kid is an absolute beast.
Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 6, 2010 5:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Those weren't cheap shots.
Dre was trying to box out Griffin. He gives up 8 inches and 40 pounds to blake griffin, and Blake does what any big who cares about rebounding is supposed to do when they’re being boxed out by a little guy— move them out of the way. I mean I don’t really care either way, but if what Blake was doing was cheap shotting, then every big guy is cheapshotting every little guy on every rebound.
by howlingfantods on Dec 6, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Miller is one of the leading PGs for O rebounds
’Dre can hold his own down low like few “little guys”
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As he gets older, Griffin will learn to get better positioning and use his stance to push guards around...
rather than his arms, which will get him in foul trouble when the stardust wears off.
Stealth > Wealth
Love how miller stood toe to toe with him afterwards too
Love that guy. Best moment of this frigging season if you ask me. Was disappointed Roy helped Davis up later in the game after the altercation with Batum. Most of the time watching this team is not all that different than listening to an Osmond album.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 6, 2010 6:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
dwill from the jazz an incredible player to watch
can take over a game like few in the league, and will take the ball in on anyone.
He's definitely on my "Jazz players to offer an unfair, front-loaded contract to" list
but I’m not getting my hopes up ;)
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by DigitalDaggers on Dec 6, 2010 5:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
In an otherwise crappy season
that was the best thing I have seen all year. I think having Joel back is rubbing off on the team.
And for the record Andre is freakin insane! That guy has serious conjones to do that to Blake Griffith. Maybe only Shaq and Howard are more physically imposing that Blake Griffith.
Andre is my new favorite Blazer this week.
Awesome
Kid deserved it. Don’t piss off a vet.
by wheresBlazerBill on Dec 6, 2010 6:00 PM PST reply actions
Wow. I didn't even notice it during the game.
And neither did Mike and Mike (ok, they probably ignored it), but it was kind of a dumb thing to do. At the same time, Griffin should know not to mess with Miller.
Anything I write after midnight should be taken with a grain of salt.
In K.P. I STILL trust.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
wow
I came over to see how you guy’s felt about the game tomorrow and saw this! I can’t Imagine this helps blazers confidence.
personally; Dre totally deserves the suspension…. however; Griffen TOTALLY deserved what got from Dre… too bad they caught him
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
It may do wonders for their confidence
and agree…Dre deserved the suspension and Griffen needed to be put on his butt. Think the only reason they caught him was because Dre said something…unless the Clips complained.
Even if we end up sub .400 this season, moments like this are keepers!
agreed
PHX eventually won this series so it was all good. but ask most suns fans their favorite Suns moment is this
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
before the Blazers offered the MLE to Matthews
and after Mike Miller was signed by the heat
Raja was the FA I wanted to see them sign last July—for the same reason that Miller got suspended: the Blazers are too nice as a unit and need more chippiness. Getting Joel back helps with this
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I like barkley's take on Joel
The Vanilla Gorilla, Joel Pryzbilla.
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
I always noticed that too
you also don’t see the Suns trying to contain Raja…It’s like the only one who didn’t see it coming was bryant.
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
If only there was a picture to capture that moment.
Oh, wait.
by Timmay! on Dec 6, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 13 recs
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"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
Just to let you know
Whenever that photo is posted, it turns green in no time at all. It’s a fave around here.
Wiggada Wiggada Zers!
sign him before the Jazz, last July
but Portland went after Wesley and kept their BAE to use for…nothing
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If it still exists next year, we can use it then instead of not have it then
That’s the trick about a bi-annual exception ;)
Portland could use a veteran PG, right now
instead of holding onto the BAE for nothing, next July during the lockout
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Too bad about the streak, but at least Andre got his money's worth!
I’ve watched a ton of NBA games over the decades, and I don’t recall ever seeing a hit quite like that. No intent to injure—just to send a STRONG message, “I may be a point guard, but if you try to bully me, I won’t go crying to the refs: I’ll get payback!”
Was it worth it? I’d say yes: not only Blake Griffith, but other young bigs around the league will be careful how they treat Andre Miller. For a rebounding guard like Miller, it’s vital to show the big guys that you have as much right be be down in the paint as they do. Otherwise they WILL abuse you.
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
Er, Blake GRIFFIN that is
A player that talented deserves to at least have his name spelled right.
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
luckily for Dre
he’s a pretty big pg, nash couldn’t have sent Griff flying like that if lopez was pushing him.
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
We tend to forget, but a "little" guard like Andre Miller could probably play linebacker in the NFL
Judging from the hit he put on Griffin, I’m guessing Miller did play some high school football.
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
sent him flying
Dre’s pretty sturdy….but still I guarantee when Griffen got up he was surprised at who sent him to the floor.
"I feel younger almost every year. I feel like I'm getting better every year. I feel like the season gets easier for me the last two years." Steve Nash
I heard Andre was a QB in HS
kind of in the Cam Newton mold
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whoopsie daisy.
When I first saw that last night I thought it was Camby who did that. You don’t mess with ‘Dre. He’ll take you out. Too bad about his streak though….
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
On Talkin' Ball, Dwight Jaynes et al DID credit that hit to Marcus Camby
Which was pretty annoying, as you could clearly see Miller hurtling in there practically from half-court to deliver the hit.
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
'Dre hasn't run so fast
since he had that breakaway dunk, last year
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It bums me out
To see our guys characterized as dirty, but it also bums me out seeing our guys getting bullied out there every night. No-win, but it is fun to watch the Old man lay that cocky kid on the floor.
Andre won't know what to do with himself, during the game
kind of like Brett Favre, yesterday
two epic iron man streaks could come to and end, this week
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Blake got punked for tryin to push around one of the smallest players on the court
Andre just got more awesome. No rook gonna disrespect him like that
Did the NBA consider suspending the refs for a game without pay also?
Seems to me like Griffin did his job, Andre did his job, only the refs pulled an epic fail here.
by 52therim on Dec 6, 2010 7:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Dre Day
Good tackle! Lead with his shoulder and not his helmet.
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why is that? im pretty sure the players make the money not the refs!…players gettin fined for talking truth about the calls is BS!!
BLAZERS FOOL!!!!!!
WHOS GONNA START?
Patty? with A.J. off the bench? its gonna be interesting but dang we need dre!
BLAZERS FOOL!!!!!!
I'd go with Nic
Nash and Richardson need to be contained from the opening tip
Patty has a debt to settle with Dragic for what happened last August, bring Mills off the bench
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This^
I don’t want to see Nash blowing by Mills all night. Besides, Batum needs the practice if he’s gonna make teams pay for stashing guards on him.
Stealth > Wealth
Nic was calling for the ball when Gordon was defending him, the other night
it was good to see, not to mention the 14 boards and (finally) 30 minutes for Batum
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Yeah, his decent from starter to doghouse was so fast it made my head spin.
Very glad he woke up and found a way to contribute.
I really don’t think it’s far-fetched to expect 18 and 8 out of him in the near future.
Stealth > Wealth
Go Dre!
Hate seeing Griffy get superstar treatment. Plus some of his posing and whatnot after his dunks is going to earn him some more of this from vets. Running and crying to the refs is pretty lame too.
Speaking of which, you’ve only played 21 games and your posing like you invented the game. Humility, humility. I’m sure KG will get the cue chalk out for his elbows for you when you hit Beantown.
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dear god please, please, please.
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look at the end of the video...
Andre is going over to Griffin and getting in a few “don’t try that cheap rookie xxxx here” words. Ready for more.
Blake looks a little surprised – I’d like to see the rest of that clip.
...
After where the video stops (assuming you’re talking about the one that shows the pushing with text and etc) the Clipper inbound and Marcus Camby commit his flagrant foul.
By the way here is Marcus Camby’s flagrant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atF7CkM2cMc
Ric Bucher thinks Camby should be suspended for this and called it undefendable and unreal. Prime example of people from ESPN who don’t actually watch the Blazers but make dumb claims. All that happened is Camby went for general direction of the ball when Griffin was driving. Instead Griffin’s head got in the way, it was not anything close to Miller’s and Cook’s fouls (although it was flagrant).
The fact people are saying he should be suspended is just ridiculous soft basketball.
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by brandonmitchell on Dec 6, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
the interesting thing is the refs were willing to let this go
seems like they had been letting griffin “play”, so they thought that andre could play as well. for those of you who watched the nba 20-30 years ago this stuff happened all the time. there were tons of force out or no-calls, and it was perceived as part of the game.
now with david stern and his made for tv nba game that favors the stars, at the expense of the game itself, we suddenly have this sort of after the fact crap. there was “NO” attempt to injure on this play whatsoever. miller just illustrated that two could play the pushing game. frankly, would love to see aldridge with some of miller’s grit.
from miller’s standpoint, it would have been wiser to keep his mouth shut out of the locker room.
griffin is undoubtedly a talent, but could you imagine him getting physical with a maurice lucas, buck williams or karl malone type? they would have had him on the corner selling pencils the next day.
Dre's brain in LMA's body
Flat…out…scary….
aldridge with some of miller’s grit.
Then you’d have Maurice Lucas 2.0. Or perhaps even Elvin Hayes. I won’t go as far as to say Karl Malone
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From the Oregonian
“I actually wanted to get him harder,‘’ Miller said afterward. "But he knew it was coming, because he got me good – actually a couple of times.’’
Amazingly, the play went unnoticed by the officiating crew, which even caught Miller by surprise.
“I just remember getting hit pretty hard under the basket, so an opportunity was there. If I got a flagrant foul, cool. But I’m surprised they didn’t even see it. But if there’s an opportunity there, you have to send a message.’’
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/12/trail_blazers_guard_andre_mill.html
by Sean M on Dec 6, 2010 9:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
"Welcome to Earf"
“I’m Andre Miller”
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 6, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Andre Miller is now my favorite Blazer
hey, Blake, welcome to the NBA. Man’s game…
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May I just point out that
Hollinger makes this sound like Dre tried to stab him?
“The normally calm Griffin was upset enough to have a heated conversation with ref Pat Fraher over the unbelievable fact that none of the three refs saw it.”
He also said that Dre ‘turned himself into a human battering ram against the helpless, baby-like, cherub-esque Blake Griffin—oh, darn it, BLAAAAKE! BLAKEY, WHAT’D THEY DO TO YA?"
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 6, 2010 9:17 PM PST reply actions
Yeah is ridiculous
Love the baby-like cherub reference loL
save the seals
Andre’s on the prowl
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Armon Johnson (upon seeing Miller take out Blake):
So THAT’S how to get more PT!
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Here's the game before Armon just comes in knocking people around"
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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 6, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Just got a text from the future
“NBA UPDATE: Blazers guard Armon Johnson has been suspended for the season after tackling Phoenix center Robin Lopez and dragging him by the hair across the court.”
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by HailOden! on Dec 7, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What can you say
This hit tells you everything you need to know about Andre Miller. He may not be the most athletic, or the smoothest, or the quickest PG out there, but he has all the intangibles. To go along with his always-solid, often upper echelon play, he gives you everything he has on the court. He doesn’t back down from anyone, and is pretty darn strong himself. Not only does he work his strength to his advantage on defense and in the lane, apparently he can put bulldozers on their ass.
Good for him for standing up for his teammates, who were getting plenty of forearms in the head and shoulders in the solar-plexus all night. He sent a message that the Blazers won’t be manhandled. Miller’s value goes beyond his play; he’s a team leader of sorts, if not in the traditional sense.
If all of our players played with Miller’s passion, we’d be better off.
It's too bad....
Andre’s consecutive games played streak has to end over this. The league should be embarrased this isn’t as much an offense by either Andre or Griffin as it is a failure of the refs on all accounts.
If the refs are doing their jobs and catching either of the previous two pushes by Griffin then Andre’s bullet train revenge nevers happens. I know there is a lot of buzz about Griffin and his star is rapidly rising but suspicious that two very obvious pushes that should of been fouls get ignored. Maybe 3 wrongs don’t make a right…but if the refs have “rising star” glasses on? Then what is Andre suppose to do?
I feel sorry for Andre that crappy refereeing and a pansy N.B.A. are going to end his streak. Who is Iron Man? Andre Miller.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
If the officials
aren’t going to protect the players on the court, the guys will have to do it themselves. The officials let this game get out of hand.
by ripcitymilehigh on Dec 6, 2010 10:26 PM PST reply actions
I agree knock them to ground if the refs don't call it
It’s NBA refs sterns .punks doing bang up job,not
Reverse Psychology?
I also speculate that after Griffin got flattened…his non-reaction, is indicative that he did know he had it coming. He wasn’t expecting it, but he knew he deserved it. If he felt he hadn’t done anything, he would of reacted.
Given the way the refs ignored all this, they were lucky things didn’t get worse then they did.
I don’t blame either Miller or Griffin…things got a little out of hand, but they were just playing old school basketball…
I’ve watched the footage several times now, and there really is no excuse, The Refs were looking right at the incidents…miss 1, 2, …3 plays???
The only people being fined and suspended should be the refs….
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Yeah...
….and I’m sure The Clippers would of complained to the league anyway. I still say his non-reaction within the game indicates to me, that once the stars stopped spinning around his head…he quickly realized what happened….and why…
I give him some credit for NOT charging back at Miller.
It’s still mostly a failure of The Refs. They were real lucky the game didn’t get uglier than it did.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Some thoughts...
1) I love Dre even more after this. How could you not?
2) It’s sad that we have to depend on our 6’2" PG to be our stand-in “enforcer” because the rest of our roster is about as rough and tumble as a roster full of insurance actuaries. Some players deserve more ire than others when it comes to this. I’m looking at you LMA.
3) If you find yourself envious of Blake Griffin being on the Clippers, take heart: Donald Sterling is still the owner and as long as that fact remains, you can be sure Griffin will be looking for a new home within 3 – 5 yrs. Maybe we can land him in the bidding war. ;)
Dude, all of our players have been a lot more physical this year
Several writers and announcers have noticed this. Even Rudy makes some tough plays.
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Im LMAO right now!
Miller owned Griffin! I love it.
The NBA can suck it. Ending Miller’s streak is uncalled for and absolutely ridiculous. Although, I don’t think it really matter because if I remember correctly he wasn’t going to catch the next guy in front of him anyways. I could be wrong.
Still sad though for Dre.
the only thing absolutely ridiculous is your post.
Leveling a player away from the ball intentionally and then talking about it afterwards definitely deserves a suspension.
Cooks foul was a lot softer (and it may not have been a play on the ball…but at least it was a play on someone with the ball…) and he was assessed a Flagrant 2 and is suspended for two games.
Proud member of Club FTR.
Cook took a guy out of the air
That’s a very big no no. Dre gave a hard push to a guy who was standing still. He (Dre) deserved the suspension…there is no doubt on that. There is a very big difference between the Cook foul and the Dre foul though.
Cook foul still should have been one day but that’s all on the NBA, not the Blazers.
I actually like Griffin but he had it coming and it served it’s purpose. I understand the mad Clippers fans…so be it.
ending a streak is uncalled for and ridiculous?
really? miller chose to end the streak. that was a total cheap shot. carmelo anthony was suspened 15 games for slapping someone. had griffin reacted, or the refs seen it as it happened, he’d miss even more games. and he deserves to really. not to mention that after the game, he said he wished he had hit him harder. really? all because he’s a small guy who gets pushed around when trying to box out players twice his size? grow up, miller, and grow up, blazers fans. he deserves more than one game.
I believe it was Griffen who was pushed around by the small guy...
Which proves Griffen is a sissy.
The play was reviewed because Griffen complained to the refs instead of taking in like a man. Which proves he is a TATTLE TALE sissy.
can we not act like 5 year olds?
let’s get this straight: miller tries to box out griffin, and like anyone whos battling for position does, griffin pushes back. miller is smaller than griffin, so he can’t take the shoving. then miller blindsides griffin at full speed. and that was a hard hit. and miller deserves that suspension. so let’s stop with the stupid name calling.
you don't think Griffen is a tattle tale?
Oden woudn’t have told on someone who shoved him if he deserved it and didn’t get hurt.
no he's not a tattle
i think plenty of other people saw that on TV/at the game to report it. i don’t think griffin had anything to do with it. and like i said, i don’t think he deserved that. he was boxing someone out and may have fouled them, but that doesn’t warrant a cheap shot like that.
totally disagree with you
…about calling Griffin’s shoves which sent Miller (a very tough player) flying merely an issue of a big guy and a small guy battling for the same position. Those shoves aren’t an example of normal jockeying for position. They’re what frustrated big guys do: find something smaller than you and throw it.
Miller, like any NBA vet, is used to the “normal” pushing that goes on whenever there’s a contested rebound. I’ve never seen “normal” contact Griffin’s shoves were more than you usually see on those types of plays, and he gave them back-to-back (one on either side of the floor). What I’m saying is, if Griffin’s actions were normal position-jockeying, why in the world would Andre blow up at him like he did?
I agree that calling Griffin a “Tattle Tale” is sophomoric. But don’t make it sound like Andre torpedoed Griffin just because Griffin is bigger than him. That casts Andre unfairly as much as calling Griffin names does.
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Do we have anyone on Clipsnation freaking out about the Cook foul yet?
I’m actually genuinely curious. You’d think Dre had killed Griffin or something.
The Clips blog is mainly pissed that Cook got a 2 game suspension.
They have a point.
They posted 2 other fouls that were WORSE…players getting severely undercut while they were WAY up in the air..and getting only one game suspensions.
Worse fouls than what Cook did to Joel.
I was referring to the Clippers fans who are posting here…do they expect hugs?
Yeah the 2 game suspension doesn't make a whole lot of sense
I would have to agree on that.
Also wondering about the hugs thing myself.
Miller had Griffin boxed out
Completely. Miller had inside position on the rebound. Griffin was trying to use size to move him out of the way or go over the back…like expected. Refs don’t call Griffin…give him star treatment.
Miller steps in to do the refs job for them. Griffin get the point and backs off for the rest of the game with a sore behind.
Old school NBA!!
I think he got him about right
Just enough to put him on his rear and maybe bounce him off the padded stanchion a bit. The streak is probably more important to fans than Miller anyway.
Miller has earned the right to box out guys “twice his size”. That foul probably wouldn’t earn more than one game suspension ever. He probably felt like hitting him harder but didn’t.
Griffin was doing the same thing to Miller just at about 30% of the force. Opposing fans screaming for perspective probably need to keep perspective in mind.
You guys (not all you guys as some are reasonable) are pathetic
really you think Griffin deserved to get to get decked. Why because he was in the post fighting for a rebound. Oh and heaven forbid that anyone touch Andre or he might erupt and push them why they aren’t looking. What Andre did isn’t tough it is what wimps do when they know they are over matched. If he wanted to be tough he should have pushed Blake when he had a chance to retaliate. I mean you of all fans should be wary of putting players in positions where they can get injured. Major injuries occur when players have to land when they weren’t expecting the fall.
Also Andre didn’t go “flying” he moved about a half a foot, hardly anything that would suggest any malicious intent by Blake. So I guess by that reasoning anytime there is any jostling in the post someone should get decked. If that is your reasoning then I guess the fan base is doomed to linger in the jail blazers days. Which is too bad I used to respect the trail blazer fans, and used to enjoy reading Dave and Ben’s thoughtful articles.
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by bestclipfan on Dec 7, 2010 2:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think if the roles were reversed, most Blazer fans would be exactly in your shoes.
But understand what this means for many Blazer fans. After what has happened with this team lately, many have been wondering if there is any toughness left in this team at all. Seeing Miller get fed up to the point where he was willing to take a flagrant 2, even if he was completely in the wrong, has given us hope that there is still some fire left in this team.
Right now, we’re happy to have something to hold on to, because losing Greg Oden again, losing Brandon Roy’s game, and losing what seemed to be their entire heart, makes a move like this, as wrong as it was, something to smile about.
Sorry your guy got send into the stantion. That’s not the part we’re celebrating. We’re celebrating that there is still some fire, still some hope in this team. Maybe not as much as there used to be, but more than we had feared.
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940
Well, some may be celebrating Blake into the stantion,
But mostly because of the refs, who are always terrible in every sport, especially to “our” guys. I don’t think there are many who have anything against the guy himself.
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You'd think Dre killed him
It’s weird. I understand the anger but what does a Clipper’s fan really expect from a Blazer’s blog? Miller just did what Griffin did to him only harder. Why does Miller suddenly need to formally announce a duel and pick weapons instead?
Miller wasn’t trying to prove he was a man, he was just setting a very eager rookie straight.
Thats the problem
Griffin didn’t do anything to harm Miller all he did was hustle and try and steal a rebound. Miller was intentionally trying to harm Griffin, which is not cool. If Griffin had actually shoved Miller as apposed to pushing for position this would be a totally different issue.
In terms of the Cook thing he needed to suspended, but it should have only been for one game. Two games is excessive, but that is the league office for you.
It seems that opinions are starting to cool down, with both teams getting wins.
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Griffin shoved Miller
Rather hard I might add. I don’t believe Miller was trying to put Griffin in the hospital…if we was he would have picked a better time to hit him.
Also should add that the Cook foul set the tone for the rest of the game.
I agree on the two game suspension though. Seems a bit over the top.
I would also liek to see/hear if Andre said anything to Griffin...
About the pushes/dirty play (yes, shoving some in the back is a dirty play…especially if it is a blatant foul…period, dot, end of story). It looked like he did to me. Neither Griffin nor the refs wanted to listen to Dre, so he took matters into his own hands.
I think the fact that the refs DIDN’T blow their whistles is more telling of the situation than anything. They felt (probably subconsciously) that Griffin deserved it and let it slide.
I think it’s interesting that people will stick up for the 6’10, 250lbs dude who pushes 6’3, 200lbs dude in the back, but get seriously irritated when the event goes the other way around. All of the pushes in the back (Griffin’s AND Miller’s) were intentional.
I fully support Miller in his actions. He is much more of a leader then either Nate McMillan or Brandon Roy. My take, if you don’t like the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
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Andre after the game said he was happy he got some licks in on the rookie
which only reinforced that he is a punk. You have to realize Miller basically destroyed the clippers last youth movement when he was on our team. When he joined our team years ago we had great momentum, and all the players got along and Miller ruined. Miller won’t ever be able to do anything to fix that, and this only made it worse.
So you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t shed a tear about the end of the iron man streak (which ironically started when Miller was on the clippers).
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I think the streak is more important to fans than Miller
I also agree with the suspension. What’s weird to me is having so many Clippers fans freaking out in BE threads and trying to convince Blazers fans that Miller is a punk.
A certain amount of Blazers fans most likely agree with you anyway but calling other fans pathetic in their own blog seems a bit over the top. I get the ex Clipper Miller hate but whatever Miller did to the Clippers while he was with you guys really doesn’t have any weight here.
by poorwebguy on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think its fitting
that the current leader in consecutive games played will lose his streak to protect the NBA’s new golden boy. NBA is turning more and more into the WWE by the day. Blake Griffin is the good guy, Andre Miller was trying to hurt him, he must be punished.
a day later and this is still the greatest video I've ever seen.
Can’t stop laughing at it’s awesomness.
#52
Kudos for not taking that rookies shizzle
It’s Miller time YO!!
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