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Game 31 Recap: Trail Blazers 96, Jazz 91

In a Nutshell

The Blazers counter 31 points from Deron Williams and uncharacteristically strong perimeter shooting from the Jazz as a whole with a strong team effort, this time holding on down the stretch for a five-point victory.

Game Flow

This game started ugly with both teams alternating between shooting deep and turning over the ball.  When ever either side got within 20 feet of the hoop they scored but nobody seemed interested in pressing the issue or capable of holding onto the ball when they did press.  The score was an anemic 16-19 Utah with 1:30 remaining in the period.  In those final 90 seconds the Jazz hit 2 threes and a jumper and the Blazers countered with 2 jumpers of their own, leading to the 27-20 Utah edge after one.

Portland began the second verse the same way as the first, with a turnover and a couple missed "J's".  Then Rudy Fernandez screamed, "No mas, mis amigos!"   Well, maybe he didn't exactly scream that but his play screamed it for him.  Rudy was all over the place tonight, setting guys up, rebounding, stealing the ball, hustling.  The second quarter was his coming-out party.  He set a blistering pace, one which his teammates gleefully followed.  Having ceded a 9-point lead in the first 15 minutes of the game the Blazers made it back in 4 behind running, layups, and free throws.  Utah scored well to close the period but a couple Jazz turnovers kept the Blazers in the mix and Portland was with 2 at the half, 45-47.

The Blazers built a lead of their own early in the third by splattering threes all over Utah's carefully-laid defensive plans.  With Wesley Matthews and Nicolas Batum hitting deep the Jazz couldn't watch LaMarcus Aldridge as closely as they desired.  They ended up scrambling to keep up with Portland's passes instead of hemming in the ball.  The Blazers also continued their busy-handed ways, disrupting Utah's flow with the occasional steal.  Naturally the three-point effect wore off with time, as the Blazers were unable to sustain the marksmanship.  With Utah protecting the ball better as well they scratched back to even at 66-all as the third period ended.

Normally this would be the cue for the Portland sob story about falling apart in the fourth, but Rudy Fernandez said, "No mas!" to that too.  Rudy would score or assist on 9 of Portland's first 13 points in the period.  He also busted his butt up and down the floor, sneaking through crevices to grab boards or prevent passes.  Portland also pulled away from the Jazz on the offensive glass, grabbing seemingly endless rebounds during the middle phase of the quarter.  This feat was made more impressive by the absence of Marcus Camby, who rolled his ankle in the third and did not return.  (X-rays are negative.  He's listed as day-to-day.)  LaMarcus Aldridge and Andre Miller took over down the stretch, hitting layups, spin moves, and short jumpers.  Things were going so swimmingly that the usual fourth-period clock-watching and praying seemed unnecessary.  When the Blazers looked up with 1:00 left they led by 8.  They hit their free throws in the closing 60 seconds, rendering made shots by the Jazz moot.  Portland walks out of Salt Lake City with a somewhat-unexpected 96-91 victory.

Notable Developments

The main theme of the game was activity.  You can point to a zone defense here or a particular set there but the Blazers have run all of that stuff before.  With their feet covered with cinema-floor residue none of it works.  But tonight most things they tried worked because they were out-hustling their opponent.  Cuts into the lane, in particular, were night and day different than we've seen them.  Maybe this time that lesson will sink in.  The more adversity you face the faster you have to move to avoid it.

Individual Notes

These are almost unnecessary because for one, blessed night all the Blazers' individual gifts got showcased at once.  LaMarcus Aldridge scored (26), Marcus Camby rebounded (12), Andre Miller passed (6 asst), got in the opponent's way a little (3 steals), and took smart shots while drawing fouls (17 points).  Dante Cunningham went 4-8 for 9 points and helped with the rebounding.  Patty Mills hit 2-3 threes for 6 points and 2 assists in 15 minutes.  Rudy had 13 points, 4 assists, and 2 steals in 24 game-changing minutes.

About the only guys you could look twice at were Nicolas Batum and Wesley Matthews.  Both stayed active, so it's not like they hurt the team, particularly defensively.  They were plenty good on that end.  Batum only hit 1-6 threes and they were open.  Matthews looked off on his jumper, scoring mostly close to the basket, going 4-14 and 1-5 from distance for 14 points.  But Wes Money had 8 rebounds, which wipes away a bunch of black marks for those misses.  It was a near-complete team game.

Stats of the Night

  • Blazers shoot 47.1% for the game.
  • Blazers draw 30 foul shots and hit 83.3% of them.
  • Blazers outrebound the Jazz 41-31.
  • Blazers 40 points in the paint

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A win and I go to meet a bunch of Bedgers

Nice.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

Someone at the Bedge meetup said tomorrow (12/28) is NZ independence day

And so Marks might go off vs. Denver. Is this true?

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Not so much

Closest we have to that is Feb 6th. Who said that?

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Morty

Shouldn’t have trusted him.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, those crazy Kiwis!

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

For once he wasn't enough

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

Imagine for a second

DWill on this team with Rudy/Wesley/Batum as the wing rotation. So sweet.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets make it happen.

As long as we keep Aldridge, I’d be ok with trading Oden forsure.

Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers

by gtbassett on Dec 27, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

DWill is so untouchable it's not funny

Unless the Jazz keep failing and he Carmelo’s it.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, that's the trend

We are probably not the most likely destination though, even if he demands out.

by MadBlaze on Dec 28, 2010 2:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Like I said this summer, I'd include Nic in a package for D-Will

but that’s my limit for Batum proposals.

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Tonight Just reminded me

of how awesome it was to watch 2008 BRoy with close games on the line. It was exciting to see LA step up today, but I think its really gratifying because we’ve been so desperate for a closing performance by anyone for so long, and haven’t really had one until tonight. However, it feels pretty awful to cheer for quick and speedy replacement of the best player in a decade.

What a weird place to be.

by jquist on Dec 27, 2010 10:08 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

We scored 30 pts. in the 4th

Some of that was late FTs but seeing us close one out like good teams do was very very nice.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

BRoy was huge in helping our team get past the Jail Blazers era. With BRoy, we had players that made us proud.

But now it is time to turn the page. Our team must move on, and so must the fans. BRoy’s body has betrayed him, and his time has passed. It is wonderful to see our players step up and fill the void. Most of all, LMA is finally coming into his own as a major factor on our team. There is much cause to feel encouraged, after tonight gutsy win.

Win the day!

by Blzr fan on Dec 27, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Patience people

My gosh, Brandon Roy hasn’t died.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

In all likelihood, he’s not going to be an allstar again.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

At the beginning of the year...

…in all likelihood LMA would always be soft…

I’m gonna keep the faith and hope Brandon comes back and finds a way to compliment the new found flow of this team.

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Dec 27, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, agreed, fine, I can deal with that

People are acting like he can’t eventually be an effective player again. I just want some leeway for the guy who dragged this team to the playoffs two years running, rather than the entire fanbase just jumping on the L-Train and forgetting Roy altogether.

Give the man a damn chance. More of a chance than 23 games anyway.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

it's one thing to be concerned about his skills. That's likely a bit overblown.

But I don’t blame people for worrying about his knees. He’s 26 and has moved very poorly so far this season. It’s certainly reasonable to have significant doubts about his future, though he could very well recover.

by Cablinasian on Dec 27, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Any of the stuff thrown out on here could be true

Its just that we are all hypothesizing on such little evidence and it’s not like any of us know exactly how permanent his current situation is. I’m over the obituaries for Brandon’s career.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Roy isn't done unless there is information we haven't been given

Roy in an interview stated that he had received an “arthritic knee” diagnosis and that he had no menisci on either knee.

Osteoarthritis is the process of wearing down the articular cartilage that coats both the tibia and femur joints – and it sets in when the menisci are gone.

What we do know is that current medicine has no answer for osteoarthritis in the knee when the menisci are gone – not for NBA athletes.

That means Roy’s useful career is solely dictated by how quickly the articular cartilage wears off – and how much pain Roy can endure while the cartilage degrades.

Once he gets a Grade IV lesion – he will be bone on bone and unlikely to play with any effectiveness at all. His only option at that point will be some sort of advanced medical procedure like microfracture to help restore the articular cartilage. Once that cycle starts – he will be effectively finished as an NBA player.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought you were one of the people who felt Roy

needed to continue to play as usual and lead this team!?

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Assumptions make an ...

What I have done is been critical of anti-Roy sentiment – especially those that attack Roy on a personal level. I have also debunked completely misplaced Roy-bashing on a performance level.

To reiterate:

1) Roy has not been a liability on either offense or defense (rather, the team plays significantly better on both sides of the ball when Roy is on the court, this season)

2) Roy’s struggles are almost entirely tied to poor shooting (which has more to do with shot selection than anything)

3) Roy’s injury situation is what it is. That doesn’t mean he is done – by a long shot (unless there is more damage than we have been told).

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

- Positive on/off court splits through ~20 games do not prove that the team is playing better when he is on the court. I think if used correctly, he’s still an asset but that hasn’t always been the case this year.
- Roy’s struggles almost entirely due to poor shooting? what? his assist and rebounding numbers are way down also, with turnovers up. He’s struggling across the board compared to his own lofty standards.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

compared to his own lofty standards isn't the standard

rather – Roy’s ability to play is the standard. Roy’s shooting is the weakness. He has still shown a propensity for racking up assists and other peripheral stats – albeit inconsistently compared to his All Star past.

as for this:

- Positive on/off court splits through ~20 games do not prove that the team is playing better when he is on the court.

Positive on/off stats are the best indicator of player impact we have. You may not like the sample sizes – but the results are clear.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I just can’t put any weight on 20 games worth of unadjusted plus-minus stats

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t put much weight on that either. Sample size too small, some of the wins without Roy were very close against awful teams, etc.

To me, there’s not nearly enough evidence to say we’re better or worse without him this season.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Either way, I like the style of play better without Roy

playing.
Also I like to see increased minutes and “gel” time for players who are not injured.

I’d like to see Roy take the rest of the year off and get MF surgery.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that if Nate could admit that the ‘08-’09 Roy isn’t here this year, and he can’t call plays as if he is, and he could get Roy to himself accept a somewhat reduced role, then even this Roy could be a real asset.

I understand your take though.

Its hard for me to even care much at this point though, because if Roy can’t be the borderline superstar he was 2 years ago (even an allstar wouldn’t be enough) this group of Blazers is going nowhere.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Timbo had a good suggestion for a trade

Camby for Bass and Redick.

What do you think this team could do then?

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think that would do much. Blazers would still be in the mix for the 8 seed, maybe the 7, and would lose in the first round. Redick isn’t better than Rudy or Wesley or Batum and Bass might be a good fit with LA, but that’s not a group that’s going to do any damage in the playoffs, in my opinion.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

stats have two purposes

one is to measure what has been done, the other is to assign probability to what will come. Sample size doesn’t affect measurements of what occurred. The statement “the team played better with Roy on the court” isn’t subject to question – it is either true or not true.

If, however, you want to predict whether the team will be better with Roy on the court – you need more samples to establish more reliable probabilities.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

but unadjusted plus minus stats (which fail to take into account opposition, who he’s on the court with, luck, etc) don’t even prove that the team played better with Roy during those games.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

quick and easy definition of "played better"

Score more than the opponent.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

but the point of on/off court splits is to compare a team to itself, not to the opposition.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

easy enough

+/- accounts for points scored per 100 possessions and allowed per 100 possessions. When Roy is on the court, the team scores more and gives up fewer.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

but I don’t understand why I should pay attention to that if its not adjusted for quality of opposition.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

which of course

means that you can debunk adjusted +/- calculated using regression models because lower samples sizes has large standard error.

However, you made the point of using +/- to compare the team to itself, rather than the opposition.

Relative to his teammates, only Aldridge and Miller have better +/-. The all play against the same competition (except that the Blazers played patsies at home without Roy).

Without Roy in the lineup, the Blazers have two wins on the road and two wins against above .500 teams. Quality of opposition favors Roy.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If indeed quality of opposition favors Roy (which is likely, though I don’t just mean game to game but also within games), then I could buy that the Blazers have had more favorable results within games with Roy on the court. I’m skeptical of making the leap from that to “they’ve played better” given the small sample.

Not saying those numbers are irrelevant, just that I like to be careful about what we read into them.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly what sample size do you need?

We don’t have time to experiment, every game is a must win game. If we continue to win games without him, would you still have this mindset simply because he hasn’t had enough games with the team? If he comes back and we continue to win games, is it because of him or not?

I think Roy has a role left on this team, just not as a starter. I’d prefer to see him come off the bench and if it looks like he’s feeling good, then leave him out there in crunch time. Re-evaluate his starting role next year. But if this in and out of the lineup continues, then he should be shut down for the year to see if he can get healthy or treatment or surgery or whatever. Regardless of sample size, the team is winning without him and that is all that really matters.

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IIbdII

by clinchmobb on Dec 28, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

If Roy was 100% healthy but playing at the level we’ve seen so far this year, I’d play him around 30 mpg but just without calling a lot of iso plays for him— and the ones I would call would be more postups.

Don’t know how much this rest is helping Roy— or if taking the rest of the year off would help more. Also don’t know if there’s a procedure he could get done during the lockout that would make a big difference.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, but would you start him?

I really like Matthews at the 2 and Batum at the 3 for defensive purposes. It’s pretty obvious Matthews plays better as a starter but I haven’t looked at Batum’s stats to see if he’s better starting or off the bench.

Hard to say how the rest is helping Roy. Hopefully, his knee is feeling better but, more importantly, I hope his mental condition and mindset are improving. It’s obviously been hard on him…

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IIbdII

by clinchmobb on Dec 28, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

If he was willing to come off the bench I’d think about it, but I’d probably start him.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah - 23 games isn't much time to completely reinvent one's game

Roy is a special talent, however – and his particular brand of game might be better suited to off-the-ball excellence than even he knows.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

big long shot

All-Star candidates ahead of LMA right now:

Dirk
Love
Pau
Griffin
West
Millsap
Scola
Randolph
Duncan
Nene

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah..you are right.

Way too many well known PFs out there. How about as a center?

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Duncan and Nene came off the "center" list

which is why I grouped all the bigs together

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s how it should be done, really. 2 PGs, 4 wings, 4 bigs and 2 wildcards.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Nene is not ahead of LMA for the AS game

and Millsap is probably about even. He started out like a house on fire but has cooled off considerably the last 6 weeks. I don’t think LMA is an AS though.

by zeusmith on Dec 28, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Nene is significantly more deserving than LA of an allstar bid.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If you want to weight the relative merits

you can look a recent trends and you can look at teammates. I think it is harder for Nene and Millsap to get All Star berths because of Melo and Williams. Love’s Timberwolves are terrible.

Aldridge does have an opportunity to overtake many on that list if both he and the Blazers continue recent trends – but it is a long list.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

For real. At the worst, broy is an andre miller who shoots much better and lobs a little worse.

meh.

by cloud razor on Dec 27, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

The cake was a lie.

by xedubx on Dec 28, 2010 2:26 AM PST up reply actions  

'Dre is a PG

Roy is a SG

there is a difference in the skills and responsibilities of these 2 positions

Miller can score when necessary, Brandon will pass when necessary, so there is some generic guard-related overlap. But what Andre has done naturally for 10+ years cannot be learned by Roy in 10 days or 10 months, no matter how much BBIQ (and desire to change the way he plays) Brandon may have

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand the general difference between both positions

However, if you stop thinking in the traditional basketball sense, they are two ball-dominant combo style guards with deteriorating physical abilities that rely heavily on body positioning and below-the-rim tactics to make plays. Pre-injury, Roy achieved another level of excellence because of his ambidextrous ability combined with explosive cuts. But these days, he has been limited to the same half-court tools that andre has at his disposal.

I think andre has better court vision than Roy, but I don’t think that Roy’s passing ability has ever been given enough credit, mostly because of the whole 1-4 iso thing he became famous for. If you had a chance to check out that origin’s fanshot on roy a week or so ago, you’ll remember him commenting on how he was used to a point guard approach to the game.

Furthermore, he’s comfortable handling the ball, and has a post game almost as good as andre’s.

Andre is still the superior fast break coordinator. One of the best in the league at that. So he’s got Roy there. But Roy should be able to beat Andre’s atrocious career 3 pt percentage.

So all in all I’d say the comparison isn’t that ridiculous, especially considering that the players themselves struggle with on-court chemistry precisely because both try to do the exact same thing on the court.

by cloud razor on Dec 28, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

if you stop thinking in the traditional basketball sense

You’re asking Roy to be something at the highest level of the sport that he has never done, while still discovering his physical limitations.

There are lot of guards who think they can run the point, but very few Millers who have done it all their lives at a high level. To put Brandon in the same potential category as Andre is to ignore traditional basketball roles and what the job description of a pass-first PG actually entails

especially considering that the players themselves struggle with on-court chemistry precisely because both try to do the exact same thing on the court.

No, Roy tries to break his man down and score and Miller runs the offense, like a PG.

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

this is wrong
No, Roy tries to break his man down and score and Miller runs the offense, like a PG.

Not only are both halves of the statement fundamentally incorrect by implying that Roy doesn’t run the offense and Miller never goes one on one – the degree of exaggeration is way over the top.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Whether that statement is wrong or not

Miller easily runs the offense better than Roy. And why wouldn’t that be the case? He’s a pass first guard who only occasionally looks for his own shot, usually when he sees opportunity to break down his man or his team is struggling.

Even Roy in his prime was never a pass first guard. He received his fair share of assists by drawing double teams and passing to the wing for semi-open jumpers, but he wasn’t one to generate easier shots for teammates (the one exception the kick out for an open jumper from a double team). Now, that ship has sailed, and if Roy comes back to run the offense we’re doomed. It was very questionable how far we could have gotten with running running the point in his prime let alone now.

by zeusmith on Dec 28, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

running running the point in his prime let alone now.

with Roy running the point in his prime let alone now.

by zeusmith on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

But his meniscus did.

And that’s probably enough.

The cake was a lie.

by xedubx on Dec 28, 2010 2:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yippee for Jersey Contest homers -

been a hard month… but

A

GREAT

WIN!!!

Yet, I still am left wondering how pros can have such breakdowns in execution…

is that the coach, the player, of the opposition.

Just glad they limited the stupid turnovers and showed some strong heart and effort.

LMA didn’t quit!

Fun game.

by Sashland on Dec 27, 2010 10:09 PM PST reply actions  

Well, fun game except

I got sick to my stomach when Camby went down.

by Sashland on Dec 27, 2010 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

Camby on Twitter
Thx for da luv tweeps ankle should b good,should b back soon

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He's smiling because he beat his old pal

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

did not see this one coming. nice W.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions  

Seeing you cheer LMA made me especially happy

:-)

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

We are a weird team this year

Nice to see good LA again. Does well when Camby is out.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

TWRS

“¡No más, mis amigos!”

[Pedantic correction from former Spanish teacher.] :)

by FowlWeatherFan on Dec 27, 2010 10:18 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

LOL

OK, I stuck the “s” in. Accents and upside-down exclamation points are beyond me.

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"Anything for you, Dave." --Roybot

by Dave on Dec 27, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

To be really a pedant… a spanish person will never say that, it’s not of common use in Spain.
He will say, “esto se acabó” or “ni una más”.

Rudy minutes FTW

by ABSF on Dec 28, 2010 1:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave: I'm not sure the math adds up here.

 “The score was an anemic 16-22 Utah with 1:30 remaining in the period. In those final 90 seconds the Jazz hit 2 threes and a jumper and the Blazers countered with 2 jumpers of their own, leading to the 27-20 Utah edge after one.”

Feel free to delete after fix (or if you are simply doing equations beyond me).

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by staylost on Dec 27, 2010 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

This is what comes

from taking notes on the fly.

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by Dave on Dec 27, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

An interesting statement from the author of the Jazz Blog...SLC Dunk
This disheartening thing about this loss was that the Blazers were without Roy (who arguably you would have preferred he played),

by Natsthecat on Dec 27, 2010 10:35 PM PST reply actions  

Other teams are now realizing what we've been coming to accept here for a while.

Roy is just no longer the Brandon Roy of 2006-2009.

Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers

by gtbassett on Dec 27, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we're not done realizing things yet.

If you look back at his progression, I think the Brandon Roy of 2009, while better than the 2010 version, was actually already a step down from the 2008 Brandon. Only we were so busy with the hailstorm of injuries and up-and-down play that we didn’t notice so much. But that WAS when the “I hate the 1-4 ISO” stuff actually began from the fan base. We just didn’t connect the dots.

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by conspirator5 on Dec 28, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I did...said that Brandon needed to do something else because this kind of play

was not good for his knees.
Also felt that his play was no where near as good as it was the year before.
However…I am not one of the fans who endured the Jail Blazer years so was not looking at what Brandon had done for the franchise.
Was looking more at his play.
And listening to his comments…about Oden and Miller…
So different perspective.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Roy was doing fine 12 months ago, then he tweaked his hammy

Once again, Nate rode Brandon hard after Greg and Joel went down (40 minutes during hard-fought December victories) and Roy’s body broke down. He wasn’t quite the same during the second half of last season, but Brandon was just starting to regain his rhythm when Artest stepped on his foot in mid-April

The reason those dots weren’t connected was all we heard this summer was how Roy was losing weight and “looking young again” from the team-sponsored media. But it only took a couple of weeks into November (of playing too many minutes without breaks in-between games) for Brandon’s knee to start barking again

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

given what we have been told, and Roy now sitting out

seems to me that there might be some bite to that bark

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

well, we've seen it several times this season

Roy dribbling across the floor, then he put his weight on the left leg and goes straight to the floor

it wasn’t a wet spot, it is a bum knee. It’s sad, but no one said life is fair

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well good on both Coach and Players

for looking at things clearly (Coach) and buckling down (Players).

Its a mental thing more than physical at the NBA level since they all have skills.

Now, how to learn to bring it every night… its a long season.

[recognizing that injuries have disrupted the flow and timing]

Should be a good game in Portland. Go Blazers!

by Sashland on Dec 27, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

What was Sloan thinking playing Gordon Hayward the entire 4th quarter (after not playing a second in the first 3)? Trying to teach CJ Miles a lesson or something?

That really hurt the Jazz.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 10:52 PM PST reply actions  

hmm, I guess Miles played in the 4th— it was Kirilenko who didn’t see any 4th quarter pt. Strange.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, Miles played

I cussed him out after he hit a few 3s…

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Miles is shooting 32% for the season from 3

except against the Blazers. As Rice called it – CJ is HOF vs. the Blazers….

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

4-12 with 10 points

better induct travis outlaw straight away

by cloud razor on Dec 27, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

only 2-6 from 3 today - but both came early and sparked the comment

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess AK got hurt. Still strange.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

He needs his white superstar

Like John Stockton

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by skywaker9 on Dec 27, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the things the jazz have done as consistently as any team in the league is be good

year in and year out. I suspect it may have something to do with the way they develop young talent. Significant minutes in meaningful games at meaningful points in the game, and a leash long enough to learn to play.

There are players no longer with the Blazers who might be different players today if they had been used the same way.

by raoulduke on Dec 27, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I guess, but this is a team in a tight battle for a division title with OKC. Playing Hayward the entire 4th quarter seems like a pretty terrible decision for a team in that spot, to me anyway.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

A THOUSAND Recs

although Nate, either by choice or necessity (prob.) has done better.

by Sashland on Dec 27, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Jerry Sloan has a way of

beating the ego out of NBA players. Where Phil Jackson sort of orchestrates them, Sloan forbids it.

by superfly05 on Dec 28, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't follow this.

I imagine your comment is part of the “McMillan ruins rookies” meme that has been floating around here lately?

It was a given truth, over and over again, that we knew Wesley was special because “Sloan never plays rookies.”

So how do we reconcile your perception of Sloan’s behavior versus what everyone else apparently thinks? What’s true?

Certainly last night their draft pick got some good burn, but it took many people by surprise and seemed to be related to AK being dinged up.

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by conspirator5 on Dec 28, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Did the same with Hayward last game.

But last game it worked (was vs the Wolves though).

by Evanescent on Dec 27, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This is correct.

I think it was Sloan going with his gut. Majority of times, it works…not so much tonight.

The cake was a lie.

by xedubx on Dec 28, 2010 2:28 AM PST up reply actions  

play the rookie over the veteran with the high-priced contract?

you’ve gotta have Jerry’s job security to pull that off

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

success with Aldridge in the post was surprising

credit to LMA – he is beginning to act like he knows what he is doing with his back to the basket.

The surprising part – though – was that he was successful in the isolation post. But I did see at least one post off the pick and roll. Nice stuff from Aldridge in the fourth. Very nice.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

nice feed to 'Dre for the lay-in

once LMA shows he can make that entry pass consistently (even after he dribbles and is trapped) he’s going to be a force

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

This was a post-Roy-era game

You could see it was a different team from a few weeks ago. They pushed the ball up relentlessly after rebounds and steals, and on offense they either pounded it in to Aldridge or generated a lot of motion. (Cunningham even made two little curls into the lane, one for a basket and one for a turnover that would have been a beautiful play.) There wasn’t any standing around and there wasn’t any isolation. I don’t want to complain about the Roy isolations in previous years, because he was close to unstoppable, but this is a different game they’re playing now. It looks fairly good — not division-leading good, but enough to give good teams trouble.

One more player not mentioned in the wrap-up — Armon Johnson, who has 0’s all the way across his stat line but got put in defensively for one play at the end of the first half. He kept Deron Williams in front of him until the last second when he lost him — but Williams missed the hoop. As good a result as you could want. I loved seeing him in there as a stopper.

by Kaboomm on Dec 27, 2010 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

They honestly looked terrible trying to finish on the break.

by cloud razor on Dec 27, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right

They haven’t been that bad on the break in previous games. I think Matthews may have been feeling some pressure. Aldridge was almost never on the end of the break, for some reason — maybe because he was stuck at center and had to do rebounding duty on the defensive end. Nate tolerated a lot of turnovers, seemingly without freaking out or slowing the game down.

by Kaboomm on Dec 27, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Great point

I think it has been overlooked how much Nate has changed his style since Roy went down. We have been quick to praise the players for developing a faster inside-out motion oriented offense (and deservedly so). But this style also creates more turnovers, which have traditionally been something Nate would not tolerate. A single errant pass would result in a quick hook for whoever threw it and the players learned to play a much slower, safer and efficiency-focused game.

That style isn’t the best choice with our current personnel and, as you said, Nate has become much more tolerant of the higher turnover rate. He seems to realize what works with these guys and accept that means more turnovers. Props to him for that growth and flexibility.

by random_rider on Dec 28, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate has become much more tolerant of the higher turnover rate

OTOH, McMillian doesn’t have a lot of alternatives sitting over there on the bench, like he did in previous seasons. So he has to “live with” the mistakes

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

But I think there was a time when Roy first sat out a few games that Nate was still quick with the hook when Rudy attempted one of his sidearm passes or Batum dropped the hard feed cutting to the basket. This might just be a mis-recollection on my part but I think I remember being frustrated at “Captain Hook” early in the year and noticing a trend away from that that coincided with the team’s overall play rather than just the injuries.

Regardless, especially because of the amount of flack he catches here (some earned, some not so much), I think it is only fair to give Nate some credit for the team’s adaptations and positive results.

by random_rider on Dec 28, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He kept Deron Williams in front of him until the last second when he lost him

AJ had a foul to give and didn’t take it, and it nearly cost the team a couple of momentum points heading into the half

rookie mistake, they all make ’em

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Paint me an Armon fan (in case you didn’t notice my sig) but he’s spot on there. Armon was brought in to play D, we had a foul to give, and the moment D-will starter getting around Armon he should have given Williams a good shove and forced them to inbound on a short clock. We got lucky when he failed to score.

I have to agree that this is just something rookies need to work through. Last year, when Patty got a few minutes on the floor, he looked very much the same. We all thought AJ might just skip this phase because of how good he looked early on, but it seems like it just took a scouting report with his name on it to get him tight and nervous. Fair enough, it’s not like we’re in a hurry for production out of him.

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by conspirator5 on Dec 28, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Mills was a matador against D-Will last night

for someone who is supposed to be so fast, Patty has mediocre latteral quickness on D

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The re-match will be interesting

This time in our house and as a tie breaker.

by poorwebguy on Dec 27, 2010 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

Finally.

Beating the Jazz on the road is always nice. And…something that didn’t happen last season.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 27, 2010 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn’t think it was possible. Future looks a little brighter tonight.

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by Cap'n Crash on Dec 27, 2010 11:30 PM PST reply actions  

LA, since the Dallas game...

Has reduced his attempts outside of 15ft from 4.6 (already a career low since his rookie year) down to 3. Percentage of attempts outside 15ft down from 28% on the season to 16% in those 6 games.

Another reason this is a good idea: for whatever reason LA is shooting worse than he ever has on outside shots by a significant margin.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

One of the reason's LMA's shooting from outside is down

is because when he does shoot from distance it is usually a last option shot. Before, he shot from outside by design (although not well enough to justify the number of shots).

His recent trend to shooting closer to the basket is a real boon both for him and the Blazers, considering his typical 41-42% eFG% from distance.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 28, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Portland-

aggression rewarded.
 
This was awesome because it wasn’t as though Utah gave up a game w/ an insincere effort. No, the Blazers took this game, plain and simple. Rudy, LaMarcus, Batum had some terrific basketball plays, everyone contributed, and for much of the game; we looked like a team

Off to Denver, where those chumps will likely remember the egg they laid in the RG, last time they came around. They are, at times, a heartless bunch, but I saw them on Christmas and JR Smith is coming to life, and Nene brought some energy. Martin is back, but I don’t have any feel for Carmello. He’s been through a lot, and has issues, big time issues.

by damonrayhymer on Dec 27, 2010 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

That was a win with no asterisk.

The Blazers beat a very good team that’s great at home and had all of their key players. My one criticism was that they were, as cloud razor notes, terrible on the fast break. One play that stuck out in my mind was Matthews trying to pass it to Patty Mills for a layup. Bad decision. What’s he going to do in that situation that Matthews can’t do better? While they could have done a better job of capitalizing on the Jazz’ miscues, the important thing is that they forced some mistakes and got out on the break.

LMA looked legit as go-to guy. (He did get away with a travel on the Play of the Game though.) It has to be doing wonders for his confidence to be put in that position rather than playing second fiddle to Roy. Maybe it will make him a little more alpha.

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by Benjamanic on Dec 27, 2010 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

overpassing is better than the alternative

Nate said the players were all trying to win the Warrior’s game by themselves, I’m pretty sure he made moving the ball an emphasis for the Jazz game

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Did anyone else find it slightly disturbing that Jazz fans taunted, clapped, and pointed at Matthews after he took a hard fall?

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It’s hard to tell, but people are pointing and clapping at him while he’s still on the ground. That would be low anytime, but it’s especially strange considering how popular he was when he was there. Some folks over at SLC dunk also didn’t like it, which is good to see.

Wow
Fans cheering when Matthews went down.
by Basketball John on Dec 27, 2010 7:43
 
ugh hated that
by moni on Dec 27, 2010 7:44 PM PST

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 27, 2010 11:58 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

That was disgusting. Casual fans FTL

by MadBlaze on Dec 28, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw that as well.

Wesley had some words with them after he got up…pretty tasteless by the fans but I’ve heard that before about Jazz fans in their house. They get nasty.

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IIbdII

by clinchmobb on Dec 28, 2010 12:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I did appreciate the group up above them applauding when they saw Wes was OK

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by rise_stand_resist on Dec 28, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes. They are rather classless apparently.

Their fans also apparently taunted Derek Fisher about his daughter and her cancer after Jazz released him to go back to LA. Not only it was a mutual decision that allowed Utah to save some money, it was so that his daughter could get the best treatment.

Even though I loathe Fisher and would pay four figures to dropkick him in the head, it’s just despicable to taunt at someone with a sick daughter.

The cake was a lie.

by xedubx on Dec 28, 2010 2:33 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, it does seem that Jazz fans (at least in the arena itself) are classless

such a shame too. They’ve had a great team for the last 20 years or so. And it’s not like they live in Detroit or something.

#52

by Magnum on Dec 28, 2010 3:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Jazz, Philly and Stanford

all have the reputation of being incredibly rude fans. When Steve Kerr played for Arizona he had a game in Palo Alto after his father was assassinated in Lebanon. As he took the court for pre-game warm-ups several fans started chanting “Where’s your daddy.” Kerr broke down, went back to the locker room and cried before pulling himself together, then went out and hit 6 straight 3-pointers on his way to a 20 point first half.

The Fisher / Jazz story was just as bad. On his return after going to LA, some fans would cover one of their eyes every time he got the ball because his daughter was fighting eye cancer.

Philly has too many examples to try to pick one out in particular. Whether it’s booing Santa, throwing iceballs at an unconscious assistant coach or intentionally vomiting on a young girl for wearing the other team’s jersey, the City has earned its reputation.

It makes me appreciate the majority of Blazers fans all the more.

by random_rider on Dec 28, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Since you went college on that list...

It’s worth noting that Eugene has also gotten pretty ugly as well.

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by conspirator5 on Dec 28, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to argue

but I haven’t heard of anything on that level by Ducks fans. I could certainly be wrong and would appreciate any examples you have.

by random_rider on Dec 28, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Jazz fans in their house. They get nasty.

The booing seemed subdued last night. I think their fans still were suffering from turkey comas

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by two4larue on Dec 28, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

i wanna roam and strome and see what the honeys is about

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Dec 28, 2010 12:22 AM PST reply actions  

Good win, but I worry that fluke-y wins like this feed the 'wait and see' crowd

I’d be happy to eat my words if they can beat Denver and Utah again in the coming week.

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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 28, 2010 7:04 AM PST reply actions  

maybe this win is less a fluke and more a result of 5 starters getting used to playing

with each other…and the bench stepping up…
and the players being accountable for their play.

by Natsthecat on Dec 28, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it was pretty fluky. Utah isn’t going to shoot that poorly at home very often. Still a good Blazer performance and a nice win though.

by jksnake99 on Dec 28, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't see much flukiness to this win

I have to give credit to the team here. Utah shot .432% from the field (meh) but .500% from 3 (10-20). They also hit 17 or 19 FT’s. Portland just played a better endgame by not turning the ball over and draining some shots they didn’t do against GS. There was nothing fluky about this win at all.

by zeusmith on Dec 28, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

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