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Game 31 Preview: Trail Blazers vs. Jazz

Game Time:  6:00 p.m.  TV:  KGW

The division-leading Utah Jazz sit at 21-9 as they welcome the Trail Blazers into town.  There's plenty of bad news for the Blazers in this matchup too.  The Jazz have been able to field a consistent lineup so far this season.  They play 6players and 5 of them have suited for every game:  Deron Williams, Paul Millsap, Al Jefferson, C.J. Miles,  and Andrei Kirilenko.  Raja Bell, their defensive-minded shooting guard, has only dressed for 26 of their 30 games but he's been back for a couple weeks now and is looking good.  The Jazz seldom play anyone else extended minutes.  (Earl Watson is next on the depth chart with 14 mpg logged.)  All of these guys are veterans.  They're meshing.  That makes this lineup tough to crack.  The story might be different in Game 71, but at this point they're looking spry and playing well.

Utah ranks at the lower end of the top third in the league in most key offensive and defensive categories.  They're not dominant as much as well-rounded and consistent.  They score a little in the paint, a little on the run, a little off jumpers.  Most of their guys can hit from anywhere inside the three-point arc.  If they have a weakness offensively it's the long ball.  Kirilenko and Bell can hit deep.  Williams is so-so.  Nobody else is a factor.  But they don't need a ton of threes to score.  Jefferson and Millsap are more than capable, as is Williams when needed.  They keep the ball and their players moving, probing for mismatches.  As is their tradition, they're not afraid to run the same play 15 times out of 20 if you can't stop it.  They're happy to be the mirror into which you gaze and realize you're not playing great basketball.  If you've got the hoops version of love handles they'll expose them mercilessly.

They're also nestled comfortably in that lower-upper third region on the defensive end.  Fast breaks, points in the paint, field goal percentage allowed, three-point percentage allowed...all in the 7-10 range in the league.  They foul at a fast clip.  That's about their only true weakness.  Most of the time it doesn't matter.  Every once in a while you can catch them relying on some of their weaker big-man defenders but they have a strong corps of smaller guys to make up for it.  Those smaller defenders show up in spades when you look at opponent assists (low) and turnovers (fairly high).  Only a couple of teams have Utah's ability to disrupt opposing wings.  The Blazers, at least statistically, are one.  If the Jazz ever got a major defender at power forward or especially center, they'd be truly scary.

For all that, the Blazers can take some small comfort in Utah's 11-5 home record this year...not bad but not indomitable.  They've fallen to the Suns, Thunder, Spurs, Mavericks, and Heat at home.  The Blazers aren't in that lofty realm but sometimes they fake it for 36 minutes or so.  They'll need to do so at least that long tonight to have a chance.  If you can play better than the 7th-10th best team in the league Utah doesn't have ready answers in the bank.  They're like a high bar.  It's obvious when you don't clear them but if you have the height it's not like they're going to move upwards.  Another way of saying it is they're getting nearly the maximum out of their potential, something the Blazers have been unable to do for a variety of reasons.

The Blazers have been adept scoring with their smalls under different conditions.  Andre Miller won't be intimidated anywhere, let alone in his own backyard.  Wesley Matthews is playing against his former team.  I'm not overly concerned about Utah bullying or derailing Portland's guards.  LaMarcus Aldridge being Portland's only semi-legitimate inside scorer, you can bet the Jazz will view him as a key.  They don't forget stuff like that.  One challenge for the Blazers will be getting him into the offense.  Early may be better, before Utah has had a chance to target him.  The Blazers should also be able to feast on the boards, as this is one area where the Jazz are relatively weak.  Controlling the ball off the glass may open the door a tad further.  Defending without fouling their frontcourt players will be a serious issue, particularly for Aldridge.  If LMA goes down with fouls, who scores up front for Portland OR defends Millsap and Jefferson?  Getting something out of Nicolas Batum would be a boost.  Both he and Kirilenko are potluck producers.  Batum needs to bring the prime rib to the table and hope Kirilenko brings the burnt Jell-o.

This won't be an easy game for Portland to win and may not even be an easy game for them to play.  The Jazz won't destroy you as much as dismiss you.  The Blazers have to refuse to be dismissed, starting strong and playing tough throughout.  Minutes management is always an issue in back-to-backs but Portland has to go for broke tonight if there's any chance to take this game.  A bird in the hand is probably more than they should expect.  If it alights there, take it and run.

Hear the Utah perspective at SLC Dunk.

Enter tonight's Jersey Contest form here.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com) 

P.S.  Remember on game days these preview threads double as a forum for Blazer-related thoughts not covered elsewhere on the site.

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I'm ready for a blow up

Either that or convince BRoy to retire!

by XBlazerfan on Dec 26, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Either way the team is going downhill.

I’d rather get worse quick and get draft picks or trade for a single star to build around. With Denver having to deal Melo that sets up an opportunity for the Blazers to be included in some trading. I think they ought to get what they can for Miller Camby Fernandez and Przyibilla or otherwise lose any opportunity to build a new team. It will probably be a worse team but maybe they could find one young guy for the future. If someone really wants Batum well consider that as well. Matthews and Aldridge stay the rest will probably not be here in a few years no matter what anyway. Oden is a huge question mark and they need to convince Roy to retire he’ll never be the same. I’d rather go down in flames get some draft picks and some lottery balls and start the process as quick as possible a slow fall and a slow rise is the other alternative. You want to wait until Roy’s contract is over and then rebuild? The fanbase will be in a deep state of depression by that time. I like watching this group without Roy and they could improve with more experience together. I also like the movement style of play. They are more fun to watch but they are still a notch below…….it is what it is.

by XBlazerfan on Dec 27, 2010 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree...and by blow it up, I think you mean...just play the guys who need experience
I like watching this group without Roy and they could improve with more experience together.

And it doesn’t matter if they win or lose. It’s fun to watch regardless.

This group is fun to watch. I also agree with the people to trade. Except Batum. I think the Blazers are smart to say hands off to him.

Also kind of think Rudy is someone to trade while he is doing well. Mainly because he does so NOT WELL…when he is off..though really fun to watch, he can also be just awful to watch when he’s not into the game.
Hard to say if there is a way to KEEP him engaged.

And I really really agree with you about Roy. Am hoping the new CBA will allow for the waive and not having the salary count against the salary cap.

Have no idea what is going to happen with Oden either.

by Natsthecat on Dec 27, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

right sentiment

wrong solution.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't see the next few games as being that important

We shouldn’t be expected to win the two on the road anyway. The home game is against the Jazz, who have been murdering us lately. Losing the next 3 won’t be as telling as our terrible road trip when we lost to the Nets and 76ers.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 26, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that I don't want to make some changes

I just don’t think the next 3 games should be indicators.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 26, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

probably won't mean much?

We’ll still be in eighth place win or lose the next two….but still the pressure mounts.

by XBlazerfan on Dec 26, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Are we a contender?

Since we are second from bottom rather than in the mix maybe it’s not as important. Time to rebuild no matter what!

by XBlazerfan on Dec 26, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

No. I think we are certainly NOT a contender. But making the playoffs is quite big to an owner. there are lots of extra revenues to be had, ie better TV ratings and higher ticket prices to augment more games played.

The players get payed the same salary at the end of the year regardless of making the playoffs or not ( with the exception of special contracts with playoff incentives ), whereas owners make quite a bit more money when the team makes the playoffs.

So Mr. Allen has a huge incentive to try and get this team in the playoffs. Cho too. No one wants to try to make the playoffs and miss. It’s OK to miss the playoffs when you’re rebuilding, but if we make a strong push to make them and miss it will be a BIG fail.

Always intense.

by dario argento on Dec 26, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

By Jan 9

When we play the Heat there is really only one game with a team truly below us (counting Houston as on par). If we lose more than win will PA be ready with his fork by then?

by XBlazerfan on Dec 26, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

If we start diving under .500 by mid-Jan, it's likely they won't stand pat until the end of the year

But the hard part for Cho will be getting value in trade. When a team dives, teams want to lowball you on offers.

by Timmay! on Dec 26, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that is correct.

I remember some coverage in the O before the Houston series indicating that the all players were getting paid to play those games that they would not have gotten otherwise

"That really stuck with me and built something inside of me. He's a two-time MVP. If he comes in and works like that, then that's what I need to be doing." - Armon Johnson on Steve Nash

by conspirator5 on Dec 26, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

There are league bonuses for getting to the playoffs

As well as for advancing, but I don’t remember the scale of the bonuses.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Touche'

I had no idea.

Always intense.

by dario argento on Dec 29, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

As opposed to the 1-8 that we are right now?

I don’t think that tells us anything new. We know we’re a middle of the road team, and that good teams are beating us.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Three straight losses to divisional opponents would be a clear sign this thing ain't turning around on its own

Even middle of the road teams beat the guys above them occasionally. Our poor defense and deficiencies in the clutch are both costing us games in bunches – good teams feast on those weaknesses.

I’ve been hoping things either improved or we truly ran off the rails for awhile now. This continued mediocrity is hell.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess what I'm seeing

Is that we already aren’t turning this around. If we lose these games, it’s already what I expect. Without Brandon/Greg, this is a very mediocre team.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that

It’s about PA realising it I guess. I don’t know where we are on the ‘lets make a change’ continuum.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think PA knows very well what's happening right now

I suspect it’s the “how do we deal with it” where they’re currently debating.

by Timmay! on Dec 27, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure PA is aware of where we are currently

I just don’t know if his idea of where we go next would mesh with what might be best for the team. I know if I had a team that looked ready to hit the big time and got decimated by injuries, I might want to hold onto the dream a little longer than might be best.

We shall see

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

If PA is reading this

I would be happy to accept a position as his personal basketball advisor. I also look good in a baseball cap.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

No tear down.

Paul isn’t gonna tear the whole team apart because there’s no way he’s gonna want to sit through another rebuilding effort, he almost bailed during the last one. Trades will happen wether they win or lose all three games, that I know for sure.

by Dustructo on Dec 26, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

look @ their schedule

Utah could be thinking this is a nice relaxing soft part of their schedule. Since Portland has been a belly laugh for them at home for some time perhaps they could sneak up on them. I won’t be holding my breath though.

by XBlazerfan on Dec 26, 2010 10:38 PM PST reply actions  

We're bound to sneak up on them sooner or later.

when was the last time we beat them in Utah? When Marty has the 24 point 3rd quarter?

Always intense.

by dario argento on Dec 26, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The 24 point quarter occurred in Portland, but Marty did play a big role in the Blazers’ last win in SLC, which occured during the 13 game winning streak as the PTBs started Blake, Roy, Webster, Przybilla and Channing Frye (in place of the injured LMA).

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Out of curiosity did you mean 26 of 30 that Raja Bell DIDN'T suit up?

Because being healthy 26 out 30 is pretty good (from a Blazer fan’s perspective)

I mean, if B-Roy had been available 26/30 we’d all be ecstatic.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 26, 2010 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

Think of it as a scouting assignment

to predict which new Jazz player the Blazers will “overpay” as a FA, next offseason

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 26, 2010 10:44 PM PST reply actions  

I was one of the few who really wanted Millsap last year

Fortunately Aldridge has been playing very well lately, so the sting isn’t as harsh.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 26, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

you're talking about July 2009, I guess that's still considered last year

but on the NBA calendar that was 2 offseasons ago

Millsap’s agent said Paul was already talking to Nate about how he was going to be used in Portland, and then Andy Miller (yes, Rudy’s Andy Miller) dropped this little nugget: “Portland doesn’t acquire players based on their positions, KP just goes after the BPA and McMillian makes them fit”

Boy, wasn’t that the story of the 2006-2010 Blazers?

I thought there was a way to play LMA some at backup SF, so Millsap could play 32 mpg even with a healthy Greg-Joel splitting the center minutes. (FWIW, if Paul wasn’t resigned by the Jazz, then Outlaw was on his way to Memphis is a separate deal, as Jon Givony tweeted at the time.)

The Blazers needed a beast-banger after the Rocket’s series, but why they first targeted Hedo is the real head-scratcher. I would’ve preferred they go “all-in” for Lamar Odom from July 1, just to make the L*kers sweat a little. In hindsight, it wouldn’t have cost KP/Allen anything to wait a couple of weeks to see if Jerry Buss blinked

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 26, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't too keen on Milsap

I thought he’d be another Mark Bryant.

by XBlazerfan on Dec 26, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

PG, Roy, LMA, Millsap, Oden

Would have been kind of cool to watch

by poorwebguy on Dec 26, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to nitpick, but no way LMA can play SF. Won't do it. Can't do it. (RIP Mike Singletary)

Sorry, just one of my pet peeves. LMA can’t put the ball on the floor, and can’t defend most starting 3’s.

by lil'stink on Dec 26, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly, LMA can't play the 3 on either side of the ball.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 27, 2010 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

You could probably hide him for a couple minutes

A 6’11" guy spotting up a 20’ probably doesn’t have to dribble much with Millsap and Oden creating havoc inside and Roy ISOing away near the top of the key.

Would have been cool to watch…

by poorwebguy on Dec 27, 2010 4:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Meant "probably doesn't have to dribble much" as

probably doesn’t have to dribble at all. I think it would have made for an entertaining stretch lol

by poorwebguy on Dec 27, 2010 4:24 AM PST up reply actions  

can’t defend most starting 3’s

Who said he’d be defending starting SFs? My hypothetical 3-4 rotation had LMA playing SFs for 5-6 minutes a half against the opponent’s backup 3

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

KP just goes after the BPA and McMillian makes them fit"

I believe you had a typo. I think you meant KP goes after the BPA and McMillan forces them to change their game to fit his system.

witty statement here

by Escrote on Dec 27, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

that's a (fairly accurate) quote from Andy Miller

who was the agent who was trying to “force” Portland/Cho to flip Rudy, this summer

Miller is also Andre’s agent, BTW

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you re: Nate's tactics

square peg, round hole? Either apply force or leave the youngster on the pines

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember quite a bit of opposition. Maybe not on the BEdge

But out in Portland in general it was VERY skeptical.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 27, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

There were a lot of people wondering why were going to pay a "backup" PF ~10 mil a year

I remember a good number of people being for and against it, but I don’t remember if it was an even split, or if it was biased in one direction.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, in an ideal world we wouldn't have had much need for Milsap

with Oden/Joel splitting minutes at center and Aldridge entirely capable of playing 38 minutes at PF every night.

#52

by Magnum on Dec 27, 2010 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I was hopeful it would be a long term solution

With Joel eventually being dealt or sticking around for less money as a backup, depending on how he aged.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I wanted us to sign Sap and trade LA for Devin Harris.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

fortunately, we have wisdom of the masses to temper our individual mistakes

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

That is definitely the first time I’ve heard the phrase “Wisdom of the masses”

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 27, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd give odds that you couldn't name the two Jazz RFA's for 2011

and even bigger odds you couldn’t spell their names without looking ’em up…

This year, RFA shenanigans don’t look too promising, with only a few RFA’s available that would be a good fit for this roster.

Marc Gasol is the only quality big RFA. For guards/wings there is Aaron Brooks (I don’t like him as a Blazer, but some do); maybe Reggie Williams or Wilson Chandler.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I say make a major offer for Gasol

Camby is aging, Oden is… Oden and not Odin. and there isn’t a strong corp of bigs waiting in he college ranks to be drafted.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 27, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I looked 'em up the last time these 2 teams played

and you’re right, they didn’t look too promising

But there’s got to be a reason to keep watching the game when the Jazz pull ahead and insert their scrubs, right?

Otherwise, we could all just read the advanced stats afterwards and ascertain why Portland won, lost, and which lineups played the best/worst together

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

c.j. who?
If they have a weakness offensively it’s the long ball. Kirilenko and Bell can hit deep. Williams is so-so. Nobody else is a factor.

Maybe Dave got a hold of the Blazers’ scouting report.

@bradc121 on twitter

by bradc121 on Dec 27, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

take away that one game against the Blazers, and CJ might be shooting under 30% from 3

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

We would of won that game had Miles not had his career night…seems to be the norm, though. Someone is always ‘going off’ on us.

#20

IIbdII

by clinchmobb on Dec 27, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

One reason is

They continue to play Roy on a bad knee. You can’t hide a guy who can’t move in the NBA, especially against a well coached team like Utah.

by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 27, 2010 1:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe you meant to say 'they continued to play Roy on a bad knee'

which is true but much like haildablazer says below, Miles was hitting shots that normally aren’t taken by a guy of his ‘caliber’ (which is not a compliment)…

#20

IIbdII

by clinchmobb on Dec 27, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of his 3s were from ridiculous-stupud range.

Two or three feet BEHIND the 3 line.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 27, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Go Blazers!

Let’s stop this mediocre-ness…

Andre Miller - The most underrated best PG of all time.

by llamaiguana on Dec 26, 2010 11:11 PM PST reply actions  

hoops version of love handles

haha, classic.

new quote!

"careful, man. there's a beverage here."

by Oh. Em. Gee. on Dec 26, 2010 11:54 PM PST reply actions  

Aw man.

What a brutal schedule. Why did the league have to match the Blazers up with so many teams that are better than they are?

Wait…

chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 26, 2010 11:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Could the Jazz at least have the decency to change their name?

They went from having one of the best names in all of team sports while in NO to having one of the worst since they moved. Let the Jazz name go back to NO, the ‘Hornets’ is just not right. At least the Sonics changed their name to reflect their new locale.

Hopefully the players and gameplan won’t fall apart in the 4th quarter. Just give the ball to whoever has the remotest of hot hands.

by lil'stink on Dec 27, 2010 12:26 AM PST reply actions  

my L*A name suggestion: the Smog

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Breakers ?

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 27, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

could explain that foul smell

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

My Utah name suggestion: the Tabs

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

the harem

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 27, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Baseketball's opening scene says it best.

There’s one brief NSFW word in here.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 27, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I like our team. They're mediocre but they have their moments.

Let’s face reality. I don’t see “blowing them up” as meaningful at this point. I just want them to be competitive, and Nate usually manages that no matter who he ends up having to play. I like Rudy and Andre and Batum and Wesley and Lamarcus and Dante and Marcus Camby and I’m learning to like Patty Mills.

Brandon gave us 3+ years of great basketball and this cost him his knees. He gave us all he had and I’m glad he got paid. Joel too gave us all he had.

I’m holding on to a quiet little hope that someday Greg Oden will be back. This is something I refuse to examine very hard “out loud.” Because it’s a long shot.

But I like this team, even if they’re lucky to finish 42-40 this year. If the NBA Finals are Miami vs LA I doubt I’ll watch. I’ve missed other finals in the past, particularly when it seemed the Shaq-era Lakers were getting help from the refs.

This is NBA basketball. Crying out it won’t help. You’re either entertained by the product or not. There are other things in life

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 27, 2010 12:55 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I guess I join you in the sentiment that entertainment is the important part.

I don’t really understand the champion-or-bust sentiment, but even then I think management needs to look long and hard at rebuilding around the young guys. We were media darlings for a brief while, before the injuries, then the torch was passed to the Thunder. I’d love being a Thunder fan at this point. Young and talented team that is capable of a memorable upset in a playoff series (maybe this year?) But I’m a Blazer fan and I’m faced with the reality of a faltering team that isn’t a dark horse or underdog but more of a vulture picking the bones of the weak teams (and occasionally getting run over on the road.)
I love all but Roy and don’t want to see him replaced with another “superstar” ego. Even if we got an ironman star I don’t like teams built around one player. I’ve enjoyed this run (even the losses to some degree) of games without Roy, but it can’t last.
BTW, I have never changed my stance on superstars like Roy. I’m not ditching him because he’s injured, I would have liked us to build around a core along time ago. I don’t think Roy could have ever been a part of a big 3.

by panfolk on Dec 27, 2010 1:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll watch the team no matter what

but I don’t think hanging “participation” banners is fun. Sure, I enjoy rooting for players I like and I’m still pulling for the team to win every game, but I want to celebrate a championship. Even the possibility of getting a championship is far, far better than slogging through permanent mediocrity.

#52

by Magnum on Dec 27, 2010 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess the word "mediocrity" brings a new light to my thoughts.

I waiver between wanting the team to retool or rebuild, but I never want us to stay like we are now. A .500 team with no surprises in them. I like what the Pistons had done and what the Spurs continue to do in being competitive around a team concept. Our current mix of veterans and youth isn’t going to wow anyone or demand respect from the opponents.
I don’t know if it’d be better to get older or younger.to be more successful. I’ll admit mediocrity isn’t entertaining.

It’s odd coincidence that we’re facing the Jazz twice when we’re becoming cognizant of being a mediocre team. I can see that a lot of fans wouldn’t be content to root for a perennial contender who never wins like I would be.

If I had to design a legacy team I don’t think I’d be unhappy with a core of Wesley-Batum-Aldridge. Wesley isn’t going to win any scoring titles, but his effort is never in question and he does manage to put up 20 points without dominating the ball. Batum’s aggression isn’t as consistent as Wesley’s but he’s also a strong defender with exceptional tools and intelligence. LMA is becoming a beast.

There are pieces missing, obviously. Spots to be filled. I enjoy watching the process of becoming a better team but there are limitations. Trotting out Marks ticks me off. I’d rather see a rookie make a mistake in his development than watch a never-was throw the ball away because he doesn’t possess the skills.

by panfolk on Dec 27, 2010 3:44 AM PST up reply actions  

"I just want them to be competitive"

I hate that mentality in life, but that’s just me.

Heck, I’d rather go big or go home. Just say no to mediocrity, y’know.

So far, my life has been of little boom and a lot of bust. Yet, that’s better than just puttering along aimlessly.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 27, 2010 2:01 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

"If you can't be the best at something, then why bother?"

That’s not exactly what you said, but it’s basically the same hackneyed sentiment, and—sorry—I think it’s a crock. You miss out on a lot in life if you fall for that kind of nonsense.

The best human athlete on the planet is an uncoordinated weakling compared to any lion or tiger. So, one could argue, all human athletes are “mediocre” and should hang it up. It’s kinda relative—even arbitrary—isn’t it?

Go for the gold, be the best you can be—OK, sure. But at life’s end, you won’t experience much satisfaction from your achievements if you were so obsessed with them that you didn’t live life.

Returning to the Blazers: granted, here’s no high a fan can experience like having his team win a championship (especially the first one). But if that’s the only result that can give you pleasure, then you’re cheating yourself. Life is short; you’d better look for enjoyment where you can. That’s not “puttering along aimlessly.”

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Dec 27, 2010 3:47 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

fans vs franchises, apples and oranges

If a team is content with 40-50 wins every year and being defeated in the first round of the playoffs, that’s a sustainable strategy. Just hire a “conservative” coach and GM and draft well.

Portland was on this treadmill until Paul Allen purchased the team

Fans were content-enough back in the 80s, living off the fading glory of the ’77 championship

Since the late ‘80s, expectations have risen, and that’s because the owner has shown the desire to dream (and spend) big. Portland’s younger fans have become accustomed to this, and there are fewer Blazermaniacs who would be willing to “settle” for another decade of mediocrity, like the ’80s.

There will always be a core of faithful fans that are willing to spend the money and watch the team, regardless of the post-season results or hope of future glory. But I’m hopeful there will also be a vocal majority who “demands more” from the team’s front office.

Regardless, as long as Paul owns the team, he’s going to build towards a championship, so both “categories” of fans should be able to enjoy the ride and (hopefully) the final destination.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

this seems like revisionist history.

The year before Allen bought the team they went 53-29. And the important pieces of the Finals teams were in place save Cliff Robinson.

Not arguing about Paul Allen’s lofty goals, just saying the team wasn’t really in coast to 40 wins mode before he came in.

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by bradc121 on Dec 27, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The year before Allen bought the team they went 53-29

And…lost in the first round of the playoffs. Other than the ‘84-85 post season vs Dallas, the Blazers were one round and out during the lost decade. Buckwalter as player personnel director was an upgrade vs. Inman, and Bucky had assembled most of the famous core, but they all didn’t have any playoff success until ’90 and that was well after PA had purchased the team

You can call it coincidence if you want, but the team wasn’t perennially mediocre again until 2001-2005, so Paul brought back the passion and commitment from the top-down

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by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Who's talking about "settling"?

With reference to the Blazers, I’m just saying that if the hoped-for championship run doesn’t materialize, a competitive NBA team isn’t chopped liver. Folks who fail to enjoy that are cheating themselves. Paul Allen’s deep pockets—and that fortuitous ping pong ball bounce—raised expectations to a high level around here—probably too high.

Unfortunately, “the best-laid plans of mice & men soon go astray.” Even if a franchise does everything right, it can fail to win a title. And a franchise can do a lot of things wrong and luck into having a contender. Just look at the Lakers with that Gasol pickup—a total fluke at a time when the team was melting down.

Bottom line: there’s a major luck factor involved in building a champion. It helps if your owner has deep pockets, but that’s no guarantee. As fans, we need to remember that, championship or no, having a likable, competitive NBA team in town is a very cool thing. If the front office makes all the right moves and gets all the right breaks and the team becomes a contender, that’s gravy.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Dec 27, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

my problem with the 'blow it up' sentiment

is that it suggests that what we have it totally junk to be dumped for whatever can be picked up, as if that is a better starting place. That is ridiculous im my eyes. Being competitive is a lot closer to a championship, with necessary changes, than starting over with all or most changes. It is a kind of video game mentality where you plug and play people like software modules, oblivious to the significant differences, such as developed relationships, familiarity, group cohesion and motivation, and a developed shared style of play. If what we have is a door matt, that would be one thing, but that is clearly not the case. Competitive means close to winning, where adjustments in coaching and one or two key trades can move a team into contention. This team has shown flashes of significant talent that, if fully developed and realized, including key acquisitions, can be a viable threat. “Blow it up” is the height of superficial silliness in referenct to the Blazers.
And, I suppose, it also betrays a lack of personal support for players that I feel deserve better than that, in my view. I think our team clearly deserves more of a chance.

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 27, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I like what you have to say about loyalty to players and team chemistry,

but I feel there’s a lot of pressure from fans and owner to keep trying different combinations to produce a winner. I think it’s the wrong mentality, but whatcha gonna do?

I hope Cho drafts quality character guys and doesn’t trade our veterans for thugs so the lockerroom doesn’t become a war zone.

by panfolk on Dec 27, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Settling is best described by watching Cub's fans

We’ve got a local major pro sport’s team! Isn’t it neat to have a place to go during the winter and see those NBA stars come to Portland? Our young players sure tried their best but they lost again in the first round? Oh well, it’s May and the sun is coming out, we’ll get ’em next year!

That’s “settling”

Luck is the residue of preparation and persistence. Or something like that. (If you ain’t bumping then you ain’t racing, as they say in NASCAR.) Nice guys finish last, but even that’s a better alternative than watching a mediocre team stay in their rut. I can enjoy watching a team spin it’s wheels deeper in a rut only to a certain degree, then I pity them

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

"Luck is the residue of preparation and persistence"

Yeah, right. Tell that to someone who just got struck by lightning—or, conversely, to the lazy alcoholic who won the lottery.

I know it’s hard for some people to swallow, but there IS a random element in the universe. Preparation & persistence greatly increase your chances of success. But they don’t guarantee it. Far from it, I’m afraid. You gotta get some breaks.

If you fail to get those breaks, do you slit your wrists? I don’t. Wise older folks will tell you that life is what happens to you while you’re preparing to live. Getting back to basketball fandom: you’re missing out if you can only enjoy a championship run. Those seasons in between can be enjoyable too in their own way, as long as your team is playing hard and winning its share.

Take tonight’s Blazer upset vs the Jazz for example. In the big picture, it may prove to be meaningless. Maybe LMA finally dominating in the paint down the stretch of a road game in a tough building won’t change a thing for the Blazers. But if you didn’t enjoy watching that performance and LMA’s smile as he ended the post-game interview, that’s really a shame.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Dec 28, 2010 2:09 AM PST up reply actions  

If the NBA Finals are Miami vs LA I doubt I’ll watch. I’ve missed other finals in the past, particularly when it seemed the Shaq-era Lakers were getting help from the refs

this^

I watched parts of game 7 last June, just to verify that indeed, size and interior toughness still wins in the post season, not small lineups and quick PGs

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by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Every time I look at the Celtics bigs, I shake my head in amazement...

that they have KG, Shaq, Jermaine, Big Baby, and Perkins on the same team.

#20

IIbdII

by clinchmobb on Dec 27, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

when Perkins went down during game 6 last June

the L*kers took over on the boards and grabbed the trophy

Finals-caliber teams know that size matters. I was hopeful that Oden-Przy-Camby-LMA was going to take Portland’s fans somewhere nice, next spring. But that bubble burst with the news re: Greg

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Amen to that

GO and Camby together—with Przy as backup—would have been dynamite. Add the long arms of LMA and Batum, and the Blazers’ length would have matched up with anyone.

When GO was playing well last season, the Blazers finally started winning games EASILY. That’s what dominant paint play can do for you. By contrast, the Roy-centered Blazers—even when they were clicking—seldom coasted to wins. So by the time the playoffs rolled around, they were beat up and exhausted.

I don’t think Roy ever realized or accepted this. He seldom passed to GO in the post, and when he did, it was reluctantly. And when GO would set a screen then roll to the hoop, Roy (as well as the other Blazers) would never give him the ball back.

Oops, I’m digressing. Back to the point: yes, size still matters in the NBA.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Dec 28, 2010 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I like our team until the 4th quarter.

That’s when they generally play ugly basketball.

chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 27, 2010 12:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm looking for our veterans to step up in this game

Camby needs 15+ boards, Dre needs 8-10 assists and 15+ points, LA needs 20 and 8. Wes and Nic can do their thing, and we really need to limit the bench, maybe give Rudy and Dante some burn for energy and that’s about it. Like Dave said, Utah keeps a tight rotation with their most productive players so this shouldn’t be a game where Patty gets 20 minutes unless we’re already getting blown out. I will be happy if we are able to give Marks a DNP-CD because our bigs stay out of foul trouble.

The starters can rest more against Denver, who have dropped 3 straight with Melo out (no word on when he’ll return) and working on integrating Kenyon and Birdman back into their lineup…but tonight they will need to all play big minutes for us to have a shot

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by Billy Hoyle on Dec 27, 2010 6:07 AM PST reply actions  

Utah tonight, then Denver tomorrow, then back home for Utah??

They really should make those Utah-Denver back to backs illegal. That seems brutal. Is there anyway that these next 3 games do not end in the total annihilation of the Blazers? Ugh. Here’s hoping Wesley goes for 40 tonight against his old team.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Dec 27, 2010 8:17 AM PST reply actions  

I have one question....

How do you burn jello???

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Dec 27, 2010 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

keep adding heat till it combusts

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

This could get ugly

Not just tonight but this stretch of games could cause damage beyond just a bad record. Winning in Oakland would have given us a solid chance of splitting 4 games. Chance of that now is looking pretty minimal.

Splitting the Jazz games and beating the Nuggets would probably be the ideal somewhat realistic result. That would put us above .500. Catch is we got to witness ugly ball again in the GS game.

We basically choked. Offense died and with it defense. It was hard to watch once again. I’m wondering if we’re going to look that way every time LMA gets stifled.

by poorwebguy on Dec 27, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions  

choking would imply that the Blazers failed to accomplish the accomplishable

The Blazers didn’t choke – they missed low probability shots or failed to get a shot up – both predictable results given the offensive scheme (and I mean offensive).

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

yup

because the GSW knew exactly where the ball was going before the Blazers did – and jumped passing lanes repeatedly or trapped anyone going to the basket (while attacking the ball at the dribble).

When the offense does exactly what the defense expects, the offense looks bad.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

we probably should try to go through Dre more down the stretch to get LMA freed up

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by broyposse on Dec 27, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe this incoming 3, 4-game losing streak will finally convince whoever's running this show to get off their hands and do...something

either sit roy, trade the vets and shoot for the lottery

or play roy, keep the vets and shoot for first-round playoff exits for the next 2 or 3 years

then again, im not very confident anyone up there has a clue. they certainly haven’t shown and evidence of such.

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 27, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

I doubt many would accuse you of not practicing what you preach
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 27, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

73rd!!!

Ha

But these next 2 games are going to be rough to watch, GSW were NOT a good team and the Blazers fell apart in 10-11 fashion.

The Jazz will be able to keep up with the Blazers runs, and score 24 points each quarter while the Blazers do that for 2-3 quarters.

The Nuggets are like the Blazers but better. What I mean by that is that they get games that maybe they should lose, but lose when they should easily have the W. I think the whole Carmelo thing wears on the team, but they will (and usually do) win at home against Portland…

by SGT Lenny on Dec 27, 2010 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

Utah is not in the top 3rd defensively. Rather, they sit 14th out of 30 in defensive efficiency. While they do a good job holding down opponent efg% and force a solid number of turnovers, they are among the worst (27th) at defensive rebounding and (as Dave alluded to) commit a lot of fouls—28th best at limiting opponent ft opportunities.

They still have more than enough to comfortably win this game.

by jksnake99 on Dec 27, 2010 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

they also have a huge mental edge over us

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by broyposse on Dec 27, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

What is Nate's record VS the likes of

Sloan, Popovich & Phil Jackson?

Draft Terrence Jones

by 420Phenom on Dec 27, 2010 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

i’m guessing around 15%

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by broyposse on Dec 27, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

against D-Will?

magic 8-ball says “unlikely”

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by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Where'd you find that?

I haven’t been able to find any statuses yet.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what the blazer home page said in the Utah write-up.

I haven’t seen anything more ‘official’ than that.

#20

IIbdII

by clinchmobb on Dec 27, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Dante is now on twitter

@DlamarC33

Confirmed real by Patty and @pdxtrailblazers.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

How funny...I didn't realize that Philadelphia won in Denver last night....

Wow…that team is going to be crap without Melo. I wonder if the Blazers could steal one.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Dec 27, 2010 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

what are the odds

Melo returns to the floor jusst in time to face Portland, then drops 40?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 27, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like the disabled player exception will vanish in a puff of smoke

Trail Blazers general manager Rich Cho said Monday it’s unlikely the Trail Blazers will use the disabled player exception they were awarded because of the season-ending injury to center Greg Oden.

Via Oregonian/Freeman

Not too surprising. I don’t remember seeing many good and realistic things we could have done with it.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 27, 2010 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

Keyon Dooling for the exception and a 2nd rounder is something I would've done, if it was available

Would’ve had to have happened before Jennings went down though.

I’m sure there would’ve been offers from teams just over the cap, but probably nothing great.

by MadBlaze on Dec 27, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

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