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Around SBN: Trent Richardson Interviews Fellow Brown Brandon Weeden

Also in his must-read Weekend Dime, Marc Stein of ESPN.com chats with Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy, who says opponents come up to him on the court to tell him he looks injured.
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Roy: There are times I'm sitting in my [hotel] room; I'm talking with my wife or my agent, and they just try to keep me calm. But it's tough. Other players come up to me [during games and say], "I can tell."

Stein: I'm guessing that's something you probably don't want to hear.

Roy: Nah. "Oh, you can tell?" ... you don't want that. ... It's tough. It's tough. I'm just trying to be positive. These guys do a good job of trying to pick my spirits up. We've got good guys here. ... I'm trying to make sure I stay around the guys and not focus on me.
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Stein also notes that Roy potentially sees roster moves on the horizon because of Portland's early-season struggles.
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"We've heard [media say] that if we that don't start winning then [the Blazers] are gonna make some changes," Roy said. I think that's only normal. You gotta win. Everybody wants to win now, I don't know what's going to happen, but of course if we don't win we're probably going to have some changes around here."
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Heres how I would shake things up

Trade Roy and Pryz to Cleveland for Sessions and Jamison and get rid of Roy’s contract

"Its as natural as a gorilla thumping its chest"

by jlarose78 on Dec 18, 2010 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

Nobody is taking Roy's contract until it's an expiring contract...

And probably not even then. No matter what Roy looks like over the next several years, he will spend his time in a Blazers uniform or (sadly) a suit.

A full time A's fan in Portland who spends part of his time on AN.
Not so much tweeting as squawking: http://www.twitter.com/yusebio

by yusebio on Dec 18, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha I just posted this in the fanshots 1 minute after you Ben. I'll take it down.

Interesting rumors in this piece, claiming we constantly call Nawlans’ and Phoenix inquiring about Nash and Paul, only to get shot down every time.

Always intense.

by dario argento on Dec 18, 2010 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

Roy's rehab

It would be nice to know Roy is exhausting ALL his therapeutic options. As a franchise player, I think the fans deserve to be in the loop on this one.

If it were me, I’d try ANYTHING. Hiring my own docs, chiropractic, acupuncture, prolotherapy, chinese medicine, magnets, baby seal stem cells… For all we know, he’s just let some doc in CA look at his MRI.

by Nucclear on Dec 18, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

I support this.

Is Benny Hinn still around?

Wow, a joke about Brandon going to a televangelist faith healer. I just made myself sad.

A full time A's fan in Portland who spends part of his time on AN.
Not so much tweeting as squawking: http://www.twitter.com/yusebio

by yusebio on Dec 18, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Baby seal stem cells are the best.

I’m sure we could get some BEdgers to take a road trip to collect.

Blake Griffin is ReDunkulous!! He is not of this system.

by DaNoose on Dec 18, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Gilbert look to be done and a team trading for Gilbert would appear to be done.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 18, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

That’s a lot of talent they just put around dwight howard…they’re trying to win it all this year and they won’t be going down without a fight

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Dec 18, 2010 1:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Kudos to Roy for realism and gratitude

Letting the fans know that he knows that moves are coming is also more forthright than Blazers management has been with the fans. In fact, the us against them survivor mentality of Paul Allen and Vulcan must not only be directed at the opposition and fans, but also toward the players. No wonder they’re bummed out.

by oregonslee on Dec 18, 2010 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

refreshing dose of reality

When a player acknowledges the obvious, that what’s being done now is not working, and changes will be necessary if the situation does not improve

by Blzr fan on Dec 18, 2010 10:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Jeez, what do you expect Paul Allen to do?

It’s not like the team has been denying moves will be made – do you expect them to telegraph every potential deal? And plenty of other topics that were the target of fan griping (the details KP’s firing or Brandon’s knees, for example) the team was legally obligated to keep under wraps. He’s not perfect, but some of this Evil Empire rhetoric about Allen and his organization gets a little old to me.

by dulcamara on Dec 18, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I can help Paul Allen and the Blazers!

He gives me the money to buy the Hornets. The Blazers then trade all the good players to the Hornets and I will move the team to Seattle. Then we swap franchises, Mr. Allen become the owner of the Seattle Hornets and I get to own the Blazers. I will then sell stocks to the Portlanders and we will run it like the Green Bay Packers. Sounds crazy? Why not? Dream the impossible dream…. Let’s write the letters to Santa now everybody!

by Sungari on Dec 18, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree with this. If hiding some deals from the public eye helps get them done, why is that a bad thing?

Paul Allen gets constant criticism for being a better owner than 90% of the owners in the league.

Sure things might not be looking great right now, but look on the bright side. I have liquor.

by Tyler Durrden on Dec 18, 2010 11:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

They're not hiding anything

They just can’t do a deal because the rest of the league’s GM’s are telling PA to go suck eggs.

by oregonslee on Dec 18, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow that was depressing

"We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude." - Rich Cho

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 18, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Trade rumors

When Camby and Batum didn’t come back out for the second half last night, I was convinced it was because of a trade. I’ve seen no footage showing either being injured, nor have I found any speculation from BE or beat writers that this could be the case. Yet I can’t shake the feeling there’s more to them coming out than we’re being told.

by arco2000 on Dec 18, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

interesting

I was at the game and saw Camby looking PISSED when he went out.

by superfly05 on Dec 18, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The only people who can't tell he's seriously hurt

are the irrational portland fan-mob who thinks he’s faking or pouting. Dude is not right, and he should be sitting several months, not several games.

by howlingfantods on Dec 18, 2010 10:43 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

cough dwight jaynes cough

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Dec 18, 2010 1:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

sad but true

Roys career is essentially over, he’s going to make a ton o cash, but his knee is going to rapidly wear out. No meniscus means the cartilage will be gone soon. Then we’re taking miles/mcgrady knee.
:(

by doomsdaymachine on Dec 18, 2010 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

Clarification...

…technically, meniscus is cartilage. But you are right in principle, in that what happens when you lose the meniscus you then start grinding away on the articular cartilage. When that process begins that is what is medically referred to as “arthritis” of the knee. If that has begun, then microfracture is no longer an option. Since they are not doing microfracture on his knee, we can safely assume that he already has onset arthritis.

by mjswoosh on Dec 18, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

The dude needs to stop playing for now...

I would explore all medical options and see if his knees can be rebuilt. Otherwise he is just a liability on the court. Sure, he can have a great game here and there, but clearly his body is not right and you can’t afford to have him in and out of the lineup. This team would never gel and improve.

by Dobbler on Dec 18, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder if what Rudy was really complaining about during the summer was playing with Roy.

I mean he seems so much more into the game with Roy out. Also he is the kind of guy that can catch and shoot but has to find a rhythm first and playing with Roy it never seemed like he found his rhythm. I also wonder if some of the criticism directed at Dre by Roy was also meant for Rudy.

witty statement here

by Escrote on Dec 18, 2010 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

You gotta be f'n kidding me

"We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude." - Rich Cho

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 18, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually think there is some truth to this.

Not necessarily about the Dre part.

But I would imagine it has been tough for a lot of guys to gel with Roy bc of his playing style.

by mjswoosh on Dec 18, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

National Enquirer Speculation at it's Finest!..

I think Brandon took the Lindbergh Baby too!!!…

The world is a better place without that selfish egocentric Roy character…

So sad to read the chorus of comments like this…

#7

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Dec 18, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I've been told that one of Portland's most effective lineups during the 2008-2009 season

was when Rudy was playing alongside Roy in a 3-guard lineup (with either Blake or Sergio at PG)

the main reason why Fernandez would be concerned about being on the same NBA team as Roy is the lack of PT at the backup SG position

IIRC, Rudy’s main complaints in the past revolved around his usage and Portland’s style of play, Roy wasn’t directly involved in those decisions as much as McMillian and his coaching staff

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 18, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to hope that Brandon Roy knows that

he’s loved by the Portland faithful for as much as he’s done off of the floor than on it. We’d love to see him back out on the floor but not at the risk of him being physically limited in doing things with his children by the time he’s 40.

Thanks for everything #7! And a salute to Mr. Allen for deciding to pay you many monies for prior services.

Medicine may be 10,15, or 20 years away from being able to fix Brandon’s ailments. If so, let’s turn the page and focus in on a new direction for the future.

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Dec 18, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

dam it...

 :( I rec’d this … Go well Brandon …. Take Care.

The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.

by faith on Dec 18, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well put Net Ranger!..

A REC for your Christmas Stocking…

#7

GO BLAZERS!!!…

by Ilikeemall on Dec 18, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a tough, sad situation...

…but have we reached the point where we are just hearing the same things over and over?

  We already knew players like Ron Artest were saying they didn’t think Brandon was “right”. I think as Blazer fans, we are painfully aware of the cycle Brandon seems to be mired in….games of rest, followed by games of variable degrees of viability.

 Injuries happen, deteriation of knees happen.

  And I’m not really blaming Brandon Roy for the micro-cellular make up of his knee.

  But the mostly unspoken truth is that the organization failed.

  Once again either management failed or the medical team failed or both. Either the medical team failed to predict the inevitable decline of Brandons Knees, or they DID but were unable to communicate it strongly enough to management. Or management heard it, but were too scared or stubborn or not strong enough to make the tough decision of limiting Brandons next contract.

   I know it was the other knee, but given these results? I also don’t understand that IF you had any medical idea about the condition of Brandons knees, how could you let him come back and play in the Phoenix Series? I mean, how do you KNOW the one knee is bone on bone, have the other knee coming back from surgery, BUT then conclude that it is okay or a good idea for Brandon to come back early and play against Phoenix?

  It probably had no impact on where we are today. BUT I still question how a medical staff knowing the OVERALL condition of Brandons knees would look at that situation and give clearance for him to return early….

  Larry Miller already admitted that Brandons contract was negotiated with an eye towards (his words) what Brandon had “earned” NOT what he was likely to earn..going forward…another mistake…

  I love The Blazers. And I have been a huge Brandon Roy fan. But it seems to me both Brandon and The Blazers have handled everything with a similar self dellusion. Brandon has progressed with his career always thinking the lack of cartilage in his knees would not catch up with him…that he would always be able to adapt and compensate….

  The Blazers as a franchise negotiated his last contract more or less ignoring the realities of Brandons knees. Paying him 5 years in the future for the player he was 3 years in the past and NOT for the player he was likely to become given what should of been pretty obvious medical truths about his knees.

  It’s sad. Personally for Brandon Roy, and as a whole for the franchise.
 

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 18, 2010 11:31 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I hate to say I told you so, but....;)

Mind you, not you specifically krang, but just in general there was a lot of pushback over the past couple months on here when I came on and pretty much said that what needed to happen immediately was to SIT BRoy and investigate surgical options because his condition was going to do nothing but get worse.

Simply put, you cannot magically grow back meniscus. This is a DEGENERATIVE problem. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply has no clue what they are talking about.

It’s sad for Brandon, for the organization, and for the fans. But, the sooner everyone gets it in their heads this isn’t going to improve without major surgical intervention the better. That way the right decisions can be made and everyone can move forward collectively with the right mindset in order to improve the team.

This team’s window is closed. It is now time to rebuild.

There is a chance Oden could be back. Perhaps with experimental meniscal transplant (allograft) Brandon might be able to be back in 2 seasons. Ironically, if we have a lockout it will benefit him in this regard. But in either case, no one, especially the fan base can afford to continue to look at these problems with their heads in the sand. It simply creates unnecessary stress.

It’s time for everyone to accept the truth about Brandon and move forward.

by mjswoosh on Dec 18, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Second

I vote to move on. Build around Aldridge and oden. Aim for 2012

by doomsdaymachine on Dec 18, 2010 12:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Second

I vote to move on. Build around Aldridge and oden. Aim for 2012

by doomsdaymachine on Dec 18, 2010 12:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

^^^ rec

someone needs to answer the question, how much we really have to pay roy when he doesn’t meet the “bonus” parts of his contract… how much were they really worth and do they get reflected in our cap if they’re not actually paid?

?? ?? not sure if that makes sense, but someone understands it…

p.s. I HATE THIS SNOW!!!

The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.

by faith on Dec 18, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

preachin to the choir my friend

It appears, as I have stated in the past, that KP/Blazers didn’t have the nuts to stick to their guns in the face of a public opinion firestorm…I wish they would have

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Dec 18, 2010 1:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I say Roy should look into all the medical options available.

Even if that means surgery/ies. All I know is a like what I have seen from the team when Roy is out.

by CoryBauer on Dec 18, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

Whatever you do, Brandon,

and especially if your doctors advise you to give up basketball, ride this out; never quit. Your contract is guaranteed. You don’t owe anyone anything. Don’t even think about retiring. That little voice in the back of your head, whispering about the right and courageous thing to do, ignore it. Enslave the franchise. Take it down w/ you. No one made them sign that contract. Remember, it’s not personal. It’s just business.

by damonrayhymer on Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

I completely agree Hipster!..

Sad little tongue-in-cheek jabs at a fine young man like Brandon are sad and belong on O-Live or with Dwight Jaynes. I’m sure these people think they are funny… But I certainly don’t!

#7

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Dec 18, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said

This isn’t a Rasheed Wallace who had all world talent but didn’t give a damn, or a jerk like Wells/Miles/Randolph who embarrassed this franchise off the court, it’s a Hall of Fame talent who had the misfortune to suffer a career altering injury. And the morons calling B Roy out probably are the same ilk who hate LeBron for his lack of “loyalty”. Brandon hasn’t been perfect in this, especially with his cryptic shots at Dre in the press, but the reaction of some of the “fans” on this site makes me want to puke.

Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.

by blazeraddict on Dec 18, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Great call.

One thing BRoy can do immediately is taking a different role. Let Wesley be the work horse and Dre be the play-maker and put BRoy out on the three pt line. He is as good a three point shooter as any we have, and is big enough to get rebounds.

hg

by BBK on Dec 19, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

He will learn to fit into a new role.

B-Roy is a good guy. He’ll catch up to reality soon enough. I still think he has some good ball ahead of him.

chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 19, 2010 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I hear you, Roy Fans,

and I hear Roy, too, especially when he’s throwing his teammates under the bus.

You know, if Roy had proper parentage (which it is said he did), he would be taking personal responsibility for the team that is his. It’s Roy’s team, right? And therefore, the performance of the team is on him, right? He is rightfully credited w/ resurrecting the team from Zach’s evil clutches, and returning good ball to the RG. He is a three-time all-star. He has also been incredibly clutch.
Sadly though, his run is over. He is a terrible player at this point, hard to watch, like a close relation w/ the beginning stages of Alzheimer’s. As I know all too well. there just no coming back.

by damonrayhymer on Dec 19, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Peyton Manning threw his O line under the bus

after a tough playoff loss a few years ago. Immaturity happens—especially when these guys get their hearts ripped out.

You expect perfect behavior, then have the audacity to blame parenting when B-Roy makes a mistake not uncommon to superstar athletes? He apologized. The team moves on and so should we.

chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 19, 2010 11:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

As I said earlier in the Junk Drawer

I think Brandon is going through the 5 stages of grieving.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I don’t think he’s worked through it to the acceptance part, however.

#52--------I believe in Greg Oden

by annthefan on Dec 18, 2010 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

Paul Allen needs to buy a Medical Research center

and perfect the idea of titanium leg bone caps that are less-than total knee replacement,
or just buy one of those Star Trek medical flip phones and have Bones make it all oK.

As much as I really like Roy, I still don’t get how they signed that contract knowing his knees were so bad.

Someone take a sign to the game: “We need a miracle!”

He looked like he could not really run in that last game.

Sadly, what I’m getting educated on here from the various ’knowers" is that now of the procedures will sustain NBA stress and its simply a matter of ebb and flow and playing on the “good” days.

I’m guessing that Roy has lost at least a foot of vertical leap, if not more. Sadly, it seems like Oden has a better chance of recovery and longevity.

This has been a brutal 2 years. Last night was just another installment in the ongoing nightmare.

And, strangely, we are still fans…

Good Luck Brandon and Greg.

by Sashland on Dec 18, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

Roster changes ?

When do we hear about “the way I play” and “my role on the team” changes.

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 18, 2010 1:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Such a strange time this is. I love me a healthy Brandon. Get healthy! I think we all want the best for him and the Blazers. I’m glad he’s getting time off. It can do a mind and body good.

by BBlazer on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Such a strange time this is. I love me a healthy Brandon. Get healthy! I think we all want the best for him and the Blazers. I’m glad he’s getting time off. It can do a mind and body good.

by BBlazer on Dec 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Struggling towards Optimism.

Perhaps the knee will recover w/ enough rest. Say, a one year lockout. Then 2012 rolls around we got a healthy Roy, a healthy Oden, LMA, etc. Maybe Elliot Williams becomes a contributor, Luke becomes a poor mans Chris Mullin, and…I dunno. Here’s hoping.

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by CaptHustle on Dec 19, 2010 7:38 AM PST reply actions  

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