Ive had enough...
by ChampionshipAspirations on Dec 17, 2010 2:31 AM PST
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Of these so called "Blazer Fans" that are QUICK to jump all over our teams savior Brandon Roy...
When BRoy got here we were a franchise in shambles, there was no looking up, it just seemed like we were free falling threw a pit of endless despair never to come to the light, then we get a chance, all be it after we had a huge chance the year before when we DIDN'T take CP3 or D Will...we had the chance to get LA and Brandon...some in our organization wanted that porn actor from Gonzaga, but we got LA and BRoy...Now Brandon has left everything on the court including his ligaments and now that he isn't doing the same things people bag on him...for shame...FOR SHAME...Who remembers a few seasons ago when D Wade was hurt and couldn't do all the things he did before, he is another 4 year college pro (just like BRoy) and then he took some time off and came back the season after and averaged 30ppg 7.5apg 5rpg 2.2spg and 1.3 bpg...now Brandon isnt Wade but stars find a way to shine even if it is threw a lot of dark...we just have to give Brandon time to shine again, Im right behind you Brandon threw the good and bad....and one more thing...GO BLAZERS!!!!!!!!!
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I also.
I feel for Roy. He just needs some duck tape. Management should have
brought in veterans his first year and played him a bit less.
It would be good to see Brandon take some time off and recover.
It would also be good to see Brandon learn some new moves. That would be less stressful for his knees.
It also seems to me that Brandon was given the keys to the team because he brought the team out from the dark ages of the JailBlazers.
I don’t think he did this all by himself though. He had the rest of the team to thank also right?
I think Brandon is going through quite a bit right now. And hopefully will work things out.
I’d like to see Brandon be more of a team player. This may not be possible right now as he has a lot going on in his life…that has nothing to do with anyone else.
When people are faced with adversity, they do often revert to what is comfortable.
This is well documented.
it depends a lot on what kind of injury BRoy has
If his problems come from lack of meniscus on both knees, then no matter how much time off he gets he will never recover. Nothing can grow a new meniscus.
by Rafael Figueira on Dec 20, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know about nothing.
You don’t think there is someone out there who’s body is capable of regenerating its own meniscus. I mean there are close to 7 billion people… stranger things have occurred.
witty statement here
Yes! Leonard Betts, of course.
“You have something I need!”
by Rafael Figueira on Dec 20, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
yes the personal attacks.. arn't warranted.
For all hes done for blazers. but hes slowing down the team atm. we can at least acknowledge it in a not so abusive manner.
Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.
by B-Lazer on Dec 17, 2010 3:37 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Portland has put Broy on a pedestal
No matter what a player has done in the PAST, you have to evaluate what he’s doing in the PRESENT, and what his FUTURE is looking like. This just in: it’s not looking good.
Ya he needs rest and he knows it now.
Maybe save him for the run this spring? Would that work or kill chemistry?
I hate to see his career slide that fast.
me too
i just wish he would stop taking his team mates down with him…
hopefully he will be able to become productive again, it will be tough if he can’t let go of the past a bit…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
a lot of us are fans of the team not just roy
and I’m glad it is that way, bc I hate seeing all the LBJ jerseys everytime the Blazers played the Cavs over the years…these fans werent fan’s of the Cavs for the most part, they were just LBJ fans. The best Blazer teams have always had a strong emphasis on team play…granted we have had some awesome superstars on those teams as well. As much as many of the long term fans here have embraced Roy, my fandom will continue long after Roy has played his last game. My passion for the team comes before any player…and I refuse to give Roy a free pass just bc of his prior accomplishments if they jeopardize the future of this team.
Roy is like herpes...he comes and goes, but we are stuck with him for life.
We're all fans of the team
Roy is still part of the team. If you were really a fan, you’d show the players some respect.
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when satisfying your ego is more important than the success of the team
then you’re not really a part of the team.
there are a ton of fans who are not fans of teams, but of players, or of coaches, or hell in portland there are those here who said they would stop watching if KP was fired.
Roy is like herpes...he comes and goes, but we are stuck with him for life.
by Philthyanimal on Dec 19, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
KP comment
With KP at the helm, the Blazers seemed to move away from the JailBlazer and this was positive. The fear that the team couldn’t replace talent and would spiral downwards was a large part of the KP being fire fear.
Ultimately it’s a desire for the team to be a winner and a vision of how the team gets there.
Cho was an excellent replacement and I was somewhat surprised he was available. His hirer reduced some of my personal KP leaving anxiety.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
I would agree with you
if Roy demonstrated any respect for his team mates, but for little over a year now, if things do not go well for Brandon, he attacks a team mate in the media either directly or in backhanded comments.
He did it to Oden, he did it to Aldridge, he does it constantly to Miller and has dumped on the team as a whole on numerous occassions. He is supposedly the team leader for goodness sake. Calling guys out for poor performance is part of that leadership role to be sure, but blaming team mates for your own poor performance is horrible. (I don’t even blame Roy for much of his own poor performance because of his health, although he has shown an unwillingness to adapt even a little to the talent around him or for his own changed capabilities).
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
When did Roy dump on Aldridge? Was this in the beginning?
I read somewhere that LMA and Roy didn’t get on well at first…but then they overcame this and were close.
Just curious. I didn’t really start watching the Blazers closely till 07-08. Moved here from Chicago.
I think some of what Brandon does is related to how the Blazers have “handed him the keys”. He’s young. It seems management, especially the head coach…could have nipped some of this in the bud awhile ago.
People learn how they can behave….
he said something along the lines of
other teams are like whew, they are going to LMA or Oden, we aren’t gettting their best shot…
those sentiments a lot early last season…at least one occasion he said it pretty much as written above…backhanded reference to this sort of thing many other times…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
No free passes but 1 month of unstellar play shouldnt warrant these reactions, in Portland we are used to waiting for stuff, the max, the rain to stop, and winning a championship…right now Roy missing shots isnt the worst thing for us, its the bench not producing, its our wait till 4 on the shot clock and throw it to row 30 feet from the hoop, being a fan of the team means being a roy fan…im a damn sean marks fan…hes a blazer so hes one of my favs…Stand behind everyone that is playing out there, losing is frustrating, but it makes winning so much better and that will come, its always clearest after the store and this first 2 months are as stormy as it has been in 6 years…
by ChampionshipAspirations on Dec 17, 2010 5:17 AM PST reply actions
I stand behind players
who don’t make excuses, who lead by example, who don’t throw the rest of the team under the bus, who talk to their teammates even when it’s uncomfortable. I stand behind hustle, hard play, teamwork and honesty.
Not seeing much of that from ol’ Broy lately just to be honest. Does it mean I should burn his jersey? Heck no. But the line has to be drawn somewhere. I tend to draw it where I see selfishness and a lack of introspection with an unwillingness to adapt.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
by pdxborn on Dec 17, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
good comment
but I think we need to have some sympathy for his situation. This is a guy who has been a basketball stud his whole life and all of a sudden, at the age of 26, can’t do the same things that had him on a Hall of Fame career arc. I like the way you stated it, but I think we cannot say definitively yet that Brandon has a concrete unwillingness to adapt.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Dec 17, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Also think it's not all Roy's fault. I think those who are older and wiser could and shouldhave
intervened awhile ago.
I felt that McMillan should have somehow been able to communicate to Roy that it is important for all players..even the team leader/most talented player…to adapt his playing style for the sake of the team…last year. Not only for the team but for Roy’s knees….
I remember MJ not liking Jackson’s triangle offense at all. MJ liked to score the most..take over games…and the Bulls didn’t win championships. It was only after MJ stepped back a bit and allowed the team to contribute…that the Bulls went on to win 6 championships.
Phil Jackson won out….he convinced MJ that he needed to change for the sake of the team. Now if there is one person who is/was a bigger ego-maniac than MJ in the NBA….I’d like someone to tell me who this is.
I think McMillan wasn’t up to the task on this one….
not a concrete unwillingness to adapt
so far just a demonstrated unwillingness to adapt
We shall overcome
by DRock 4 Blazers on Dec 20, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I think what is happening here
at least for me is that the drumbeat from Roy has been going on for quite some time now.
He started complaing about Miller and Oden last season (before Oden went down) taking touches away from him. He has pined on and on about why can’t we do in 08-09.
Throwing Miller under the bus, particularly in such a back handed way was jut too much for me to take.
I was tired of Roy’s griping last year, now this latest episode has just pushed me over the edge.
I would have nothing but sympathy for him given his situation…but continually attacking your team mates is not good in any situation and he did it while healthy and now while he is struggling.
I hope he learns from this situation, I hope he finds some way to return to form on the court and I appreciate his past accomplishments for this franchise. That does not mean he has a free hand to insult his team mates and blame them for the struggles he is facing.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Miller threw the whole team under the bus last year
when he went crying to AWoj.
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Even if that is the way you choose to interpret that situation
he did it once and then let it be. If Roy had done it once, heck even just a couple of times, you could write it off of frustration. It is the repeated nature of this stuff, of the attacks that is the problem.
People get frustrated, people pipe off about the wrong things, it happens and it is perfectly excusable if it happens occassionally, this has been a drumbeat from Roy for quite some time now. That is the problem here…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
See my above comments!
I agree but also hold the management responsible for some of this.
The guy is young and it seems he’s been taught that he can have whatever he wants.
How incredibly frustrating to learn that he can’t at the same time he’s learning that he has bumb knees that cause him pain and will probably be his undoing..unless he makes changes…that he’s never had to make while a Blazer….
Slowing the team down is as much on Roy's shoulders
as it is on the rest of the team passing up open looks and then having to create shots with the shot clock winding down, to the tune of 34% of shots being taken in the last 10 seconds of the shot clock as a team. I still want him on the floor for significant minutes as a starter but I’d like to see him playing around 25-30 mpg instead of 30+.
"I don’t think it’s lost. I don’t think it’s lost. It’s adversity and something that we have to deal with. We wish it wasn’t like this, but it is."
-Brandon Roy 11/18/2010 as told to CBSSports.com blog
The Blazers fast breaks when Roy doesn't play seems to me to be about double when he does...
Let’s face it, when he’s on the court, the rest of the Blazers defer to him.
And his only play is, slow it up, pound the ball into the floor, try to find a weakness in your defender to take him…
Everybody else stops moving, because they KNOW they aren’t getting the ball… unless they want to take a FBP in the last 3 seconds…
I know Roy deserves all kinds of credit for leading the transition from the Jail Blazers to the Frail Blazers… But c’mon… Dude was never all that…
I agree with ChampionshipAspirations...
Basketball, unlike most things in life, is purely performance driven. I guess it’s kind of like the cutthroat financial sector jobs where performance and commission dictate success or failure (and employ). So unfortunately, as much as I like BRoy and value what he has done for us in the past, I wouldn’t say we have some obligation to never trade him or play him large minutes despite poor performance. That being said, Championship was right, it’s only been a month or two really of pretty poor play (as much as people have been targetting his shooting %, it’s his lack of ability to defend now that worries me more) He’s a good enough player that it’ll be worth the franchise’s time to hold out for another couple of months to see how this deveops before we throw him under a bus. And yes, personal attacks are rediculous.
I am not mad at his performance
I am mad at how he treats his team mates.
I have sympathy for his injury situation, but not his churlish comments.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Dec 17, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not the less than stellar play....
that isn’t fun to watch obviously… but the thing that is irking people is the attitude. the now seemingly constant we need people who will play off of me attitude. ESPECIALLY when he is not the player he was. right now, he is not the best player on this team. but he hasn’t accepted that yet. and it’s like he lashes out at everyone else for not treating him like he was the same player he was.
I'd still honk once!
by bklynblazr on Dec 17, 2010 7:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for hitting the nail on the head!
We shall overcome
by DRock 4 Blazers on Dec 20, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, but I also hate getting players' comments filtered thru a media source:
It’s like that school class room game where person one tells person two a secret: by the time it gets to person fifteen, it has no relation to what the original secret was.
Nothing we can do about it, though. Brandon’s recent apology for his comments were fairly revealing that we heard reasonably unadulterated truths this time around.
RenoMillerFan
by RenoBlazerFan on Dec 20, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
What has Roy done for you? You're satisfied with first round playoff exits?
I don’t want to hang out with these players. I don’t want them to spend time with my children. I don’t need them to look upon me fondly with a smile on their faces.
I want them to win games. I don’t understand the “OMG he was a nice guy before he got hurt, let’s give him a pass” sort of mentality. It’s similar to the “Roy’s team” nonsense that has helped destroy this franchise since he got here.
In addition there are a lot of questions surrounding the facts of Roy’s knee injury as it relates to his willingness to sign a max deal. So far nobody’s proven that he didn’t flat-out scam the team out of 80 million dollars. There are a lot of reasons to dislike Roy right now, reasons that have nothing to do with the fact that hes a broken-down albatross on the court.
By the way, are you buying season tickets to support your rah-rah sunny-day attitude? Are you buying your children Blazers jerseys for Christmas? I sure hope so. Otherwise you might be a little hypocritical.
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 17, 2010 8:14 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
"What has Roy done for you?"
21 wins was not long ago…
I
by joelor on Dec 17, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
do you remember 2004-2007?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Dec 17, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
So I can't support my team if I'm not spending money tickets and jerseys?
By the way, are you buying season tickets to support your rah-rah sunny-day attitude? Are you buying your children Blazers jerseys for Christmas? I sure hope so. Otherwise you might be a little hypocritical.
I don’t like it when people look at players solely as a product and not as people. Maybe you should take a second to think about why it is that Roy might be saying some of these things and that might help you be able to empathize with the guy just a bit. People say dumb things when bad things are happening to them, it’s human nature, and even a guy like Brandon Roy who for the most part, has done and said all the right things throughout his career is no exception.
I’m not saying that we should all still be looking at him as this teams savior. He certainly isn’t our best player right now, and he may never be again. However, the sense I get is that people are frustrated that the team is taking a step back. Then Roy says something stupid and suddenly there are people using him as their scapegoat to release all their negativity on. Well, the guy apologized to the team so let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.
What the author of this post is saying is that there are appropriate ways and inappropriate ways to criticize people and that people have been stepping over that line.
by Druid on Dec 17, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He might be your savior, he's not mine... I don't believe in saviors...
Ive had enough… Of these so called “Blazer Fans” that are QUICK to jump all over our teams savior Brandon Roy…
I believe in what I see with my eyes.
The only way Brandon Roy is gonna be a 20 ppg guy again is by hoisting 25 shots a night…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
There's a difference between being realistic about Roy and the team and name calling, trash talking
and disparaging the character of a guy who is going through a tough time.
by raoulduke on Dec 17, 2010 8:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
but what people are having a problem with is not his performance
it is his finger pointing which has been going on for over a year now.
He came out of the gate LAST season complaing about Miller. He was even complaining about Oden and he took some backhanded shots at LMA LAST SEASON as well.
You know when he signed that MAX DEAL.
If you are right and he was struggling with through a tough time with his knees when that contract was signed, it does raise the question “was he negotiating in good faith?”
If the Memphis game bus throwing under of Miller was an isolated thing I could shrug it off, as I did when he started whining last season, but this fits a larger pattern.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Dec 17, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You make too much out of comments given to the media
“I want the ball”
“We have personnel and chemistry issues”
“I’m playing too many minutes”
“I dont care about minutes”
blah blah. Thats the last thing you should judge a mans character on especially someone in Roy’s position.
There are two things basketball fans can judge players about
their performance on the court and their statements to the media.
If Roy has a bad game/stretch of games, there is almost always a statement about how the team doing something with another player is the problem. I have a problem with that. Again if it happened rarely, fine, heat of the moment, frustrated comment, easily written off. But continuous shots at multiple players on multiple occassions is just to much. These are conversations he should (and maybe has had) with his team mates, not the media.
Combine those ongoing statements with an apparent unwillingless to figure out how o work together on the court with his prime target, well it just looks real bad for Brandon.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
What else do fans have to go on if not comments from the player?
I would like to be a fly on the wall in the locker room!!!
I've had enough, too...
Of people who are QUICK to vilify their fellow fan for wanting to hold our highest paid players accountable.
Brandon can’t do anything about his knees, obviously, but all this garbage about demanding trades, poor choices of words, and allegedly issuing a “Miller or me” request to management that made it’s way to the media has got to stop. Brandon is better than this “just got paid” diva posturing, I think.
How much arse do we have to kiss here?
After one play today, Bayless walked to the sideline, picked up the garbage bucket that collects the extra basketball balls and then slammed it down forcefully while shouting. For no particular reason. - Ben
by The Penguin on Dec 17, 2010 9:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Scratch the "demanding trades" bit..
After one play today, Bayless walked to the sideline, picked up the garbage bucket that collects the extra basketball balls and then slammed it down forcefully while shouting. For no particular reason. - Ben
Yes, you're right, that's a BS unsubstantiated claim...
There is plenty of room to criticize Roy, leaving that out of the equation…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Dec 17, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You are not the judge of fandom. People don’t have to have unconditional love for Roy in order to be Blazer fans.
by jksnake99 on Dec 17, 2010 9:28 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
I am not a fan of volume scorers
that try to meddle in the management of the team.
witty statement here
by Escrote on Dec 17, 2010 9:34 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Real quick...
D-wade did not do 4 years at Marquette. He was ineligible for his Freshman year because he could barely read.
Rip City is back
If you had to point to just one moment that sunk this franchise
…I think it would have to be when Roy and his agent (aided and abetted by KP) went public to an uninformed public, venting their frustration about struggling to get a max contract, knowing all the while that Roy’s knees were toast. They were then able to leverage resulting public discontent with the blazers being unable to publicly reveal the extent of the damage.
So yeah, let’s all cheer B. Roy. We love you for what you did back then. We promise to be selectively blind after that. Great.
by NeverSummer on Dec 17, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
word
they needed to have some balls during those negotiations in the face of public opinion…they failed us severely, I do not put that on Roy, I put it on the people who offered him the contract
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Dec 17, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Yes this is
an organizational problem. No doubt about it and beyond the contract negotiation.
How much respect can you have for an organization that can’t get in Roy’s face and tell him who’s running the show? I would not hesitate to call a meeting of the minds together and get this BS taken care of. Someone needs to tells this guy he is getting paid to do a job, if he can’t do it as the coach has laid out then take a seat and shut your mouth.
The franchise takes the heat because they provided the platform for Roy to be comfortable and then when it’s time to evolve to the next level Roy doesn’t like the plan. Spoiled beyond repair.
"You play good defense and let your offense generate from that. You will find that success of your offense, is proportional to the extent of your defensive diligence." Jack Ramsey philosophy (it works)
I put it on everyone involved
…but someone on these boards did point out awhile back that HIPAA regulations prevent employers from publicly commenting on the medical conditions of their employees. It would have been illegal for the blazers to publicly say why they were refusing to offer Roy the max. So, the public would only have seen the franchise refusing to offer the max to a player who had by all (ill-informed) accounts earned it.
To some extent, the blazers were forced into this by Roy, his agent, and KP. The public would have gone insane if they didn’t give him the max for no apparent reason. This is probably, more than anything, why KP got fired.
by NeverSummer on Dec 17, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
but the organization would have been justified in the end…if they knew what was best and they didn’t do it because they couldn’t take the heat, that’s inexcusable
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Dec 17, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
They would have been justified in the end
…and they couldn’t take the heat. But it’s understandable — You’d have had KP manipulating for Roy from within, Canzano gleefully stirring the pot from without, the oversensitive fan base going completely nuts, the more rational fan base going nuts, the franchise all the while trying to calculate how many tickets they weren’t going to sell and how much money and cred they’d be losing. That’s a hot heat.
For my part, I blame Roy. He knew what was up, and still demanded the max.
by NeverSummer on Dec 17, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Somehow I doubt that.
17 wins to 52 is pretty darn good. particularly considering the injuries and youth of the team.
Many young teams with potential talent falter.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
At the time of his firing
I linked it back to the Roy negotiations and it appearing he was representing Roy not the organization..Miller needing to step in and all of that
had I known then what I know now about Roy’s knees that would have been a no brainer.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Agreed
I’d have traded Roy.
I love the guy, but I want to win. You simply can’t do that without a healthy Roy/Oden.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
very true
but isn’t that path better than the path we’ve taken? I guess there’s no way to say for sure, and you bring up a great point regarding the monetary impact it may have had…maybe they just decided to bite the bullet on it. On the other hand, KP did get fired. In the end I would rather not have Roy’s contract hanging over us, I think that would have been best for long term success (that seems obvious, but I mean even with the whole brewhaha that would have occurred taken into account)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
It is a better path than we had taken.
It would have been awesome if just as contract negotiations were heating up, the blazers traded Roy and Aldridge to the Clippers for Griffin and Gordon and then fired Pritchard outright. People (including myself) would have started freaking out and Canzano would have condemned this “bold move”. Then Wikileaks would have made available documents regarding Roy’s knees and KP’s schenanigans. Right now we would be at least as cool as the Thunder.
Well
I imagine at some level the organization felt they owed Brandon. He was the face of the franchise dragging back from ruin. I know people that went to Blazer games just to boo some of our own players. Roy was a huge part of returning the franchise to respectability.
What the Org should have done probably is max him out with some heavy insurance provisions. That is where the fail really was.
I still maintain Roy would not be taking the heat for his drop in production due to his injury situation if he would just stop pointing fingers and blaming team mates for it. The team gave him what he and his agent wanted a fully garaunteed max contract to avoid a PR disaster and Brandon immediately began creating another PR disaster by complaining all the time, about Miller, about Oden, about LMA, about the rest of the roster. Now we are where we are…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
this post has no sense of reality
Dear Blazer fans,
This is not the Brandon Roy we drafted! He has no meniscus, hes lost a considerable amount of quickness, and hes injury prone. Not to mention he is in the first year of a 83 million dollar contract and his knees aren’t even insured.
As great as Brandon was the last three years, people need to get a grip on reality and realize that this is not that Brandon Roy.
THIS Brandon Roy, is a jump shooter, and not a very good one. He shoots 39% from the field and requires a stars amount of touches to get into “rhythm”. Portland’s best option is to go back into rebuilding mode. People are still interested in Roy, Miller, and Batum. All of which haven’t produced like Portland wanted. We can still trade Camby, and maybe even Oden, and Rudy.
To be honest this isn’t the worst thing ever. With the HEAT and with Carmelo likely to join Amar’e in NY eventually, its unlikely we would of won a championship anyway. The best thing to do is salvage what we can and move on.
by GetOver on Dec 17, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
This thing was going nowhere even with a healthy Roy.
That’s not a knock on Roy, it’s a knock on the overall lack of talent on this squad. This was a single all-star team which =one and done, now it’s a zero all-star team. Look at the record and do the math.
I think we can all recognize what #7 has done for the team
while at the same time start searching for new talent to pick up where he left off.
Why people are so quick to label realists as ‘haters’ is beyond me.
Side note: If the future of this team includes acquiring another high-IQ passing PG (the Millers, Pauls, & Bibbys of the league) then it’d probably be best to surround him with athletic players who can run all game long.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Its not about realizing Roy isnt going to be the same
Its all personal attacks on the guy. Fans can state their opinion without the venom.
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Net ranger"
Well said. There are a few who have made the criticism of Broy personal, which is unfair. In fact, I think people should have gone easy on him for his comments last week since you have to cut some slack to someone who is facing having to make a way premature and sudden transition from being a celebrity sports hero to someone viewed-as a has been.
That being said, when discussing the future of the team, it makes no sense for people to be in denial about the very limited amount Broy is going to be able to contribute to the team’s performance in the future, as well as the burden that his contract places on any effort for the franchise to try to get back on track.
And further complicating matters is the isolation-style offense that is his trademark, something widely (and correctly in my opinion) viewed as an impediment to team basketball, albeit one that is a reasonable tradeoff to get the benefit of the immense individual talent of a healthy Broy, but one that will probably render even more problematical any effort for the Blazers to still salvage some play out of a Broy with bad knees.
“He’s a good enough player that it’ll be worth the franchise’s time to hold out for another couple of months to see how this deveops before we throw him under a bus.”
Some people like myself probably have been too quick to totally write off Roy as a future contributor to the team. Anyway, you don’t need to worry about him being thrown under a bus because there is no bus.
Yeah there is, BRoy and Nate have been hogging the steering wheel for half a decade, and finally...
Roy is getting a taste of his own medicine..
Having to ride under the bus..
At some point even hardcore #7 fans will have to retreat from their “he saved the franchise” stronghold. Can only hang your hat on that for so long.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
I love Roy
I stare at my bobble heads of Rudy/Oden/Roy/Aldridge and realize that they may soon join sergio, Webster, Travis, and someone else I can’t even remember.
Roy is a young man struggling to deal with the fact that he can’t reach the top shelf anymore. What I mean is that he’s had a permanent injury that changes everything about how he plays. The equivalent to us mere mortals is the inability to drive to work because we’ve broken our foot, or the inability to move in our kitchen and reach the top shelf because we’re in a wheel chair. We can adapt, of course, but it’s still frustrating and people deal with that loss in a different way.
Roy is lashing out and I’d agree it’s not cool. He was a HUGE player and made differences that a lot of fans just couldn’t see. You can see it now with our record.
There are legitimate concerns with Roy, but I’d agree he doesn’t deserve our attacks and frankly I think he deserves some empathy. Give him some time to attempt to deal with this change to his life. That said, the team needs to take a different direction. Roy shouldn’t be the number 1 anymore and that leaves a gap.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
Professional sports are not about "thanks for what you have done"
they are all about “what have you done for me lately?”
Roy deserves all the credit in the world for everything he has done for this franchise. Helped bring us out of our darkest hour, reignited the fire that is Blazer Nation, reminded us what its like to have an all star on the team, etc…
However, he no longer seems to be that player anymore. I sincerely hope that he does recover as much as possible and continues to be an excellent NBA player. However it is very hard to see that happening right now.
Dont feel too sorry for him everybody, he is a smart kid with a college education and is currently a 26 year old millionaire. He is not the first NBA player to have a seemingly HOF career cut short by injuries, he’s not even the only one this year (Yao anydody?). Even if he cant come back and play all star level basketball this kid is going to be just fine in life.
We shall overcome
by DRock 4 Blazers on Dec 20, 2010 2:40 PM PST reply actions
I agree I can't stand people that want others to feel bad for Roy.
I mean I sympathize with his situation but I don’t feel bad for him. He plays a game for a living. When the Blazers would go out and do community events all the guys would talk about how grateful they are that they don’t have those struggles in their lives. I think based on a lot of the Roy quotes I have read he is forgetting how thankful he really should be.
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I know Roy doesn't owe me anything but I wish he would come out and say he
is thankful for all that has been given to him… I know he doesn’t have to but right now I wonder how thankful he really is.
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