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Game 18 Recap: Blazers 95, Celtics 99

In a Nutshell

The Blazers take advantage of a sloppy Celtics team over-relying on one-on-one play and long shots, cruising out to a nice lead in the opening minutes of each half.  Portland's paper-thin bench can't sustain the momentum and the Celts roar back each time.  Boston takes over early in the fourth, looking to demoralize Portland but the Blazers switch roles, storming back to make it a close game late.  Portland's defense ends up a single stop short, though, as Ray Allen cans a three--one of his only makes of the night--to put away the red and black.

Game Flow

Both teams started this game attacking the paint, making high percentage shots.  The Blazers worked a couple of advantages:  new-made starter Wesley Matthews' three-point firestorm and Boston's propensity to turn over the ball.  With treys and fast-break points padding their numbers the Blazers shot 50%, streaked out to an 8-point lead, and held on to 6 exiting the period.  All of Boston Garden was waiting for the other shoe to drop.

The Blazers featured another rotation change to start the second period:  Patty Mills getting the minutes usually slated for Armon Johnson.  The good news is that Mills didn't turn over the ball like Johnson has been lately.  The bad news is that Portland's offense stalled under him as much as any other non-Miller point.  Suddenly the Blazers were stuck manufacturing shots against multiple defenders, relying on the foul line and offensive rebounds to generate points out of ugly sets.  At the same time the formerly individualistic, passive Celtics started scoring exclusively on assisted buckets.  The saving grace of the second unit was their ability to steal the ball and run.  But the party came to a screeching halt when Marcus Camby, anchoring the bench defense, went down at the 5:00 mark with knee trouble.  Camby would return in the second half but in his absence both the defense and offense fell apart.  Portland was already struggling against the bulk of Shaquille O'Neal and Glen Davis.  With only Sean Marks and Dante Cunningham to throw bodies against them, the Celtics big men became an enormous threat, taking away Portland's ability to double cover Boston's stars.  In these circumstances Paul Pierce found scoring comically easy.  The Celtics got rebounds, got to the line, and got simple buckets.  They sandblasted Portland's lead in minutes.  Only a buzzer-beating three by Wesley Matthews saved anything from the Blazers' margin.  Portland walked into the locker room with a 49-48 edge.  All of Boston Garden was waiting for the other shoe to keep dropping.

The third period featured the return of Marcus Camby and the beginning of an Andre Miller breakout which would carry the Blazers through the entire half.  Miller played a fantastic game, picking his spots and shots and reminding the Blazers that paint points would be necessary in order to prevail.  The Celtics once again returned to their walking, isolating, turnover ways.  The Blazers once again played smart and opened up a 6-point lead.  With the Celtics having to watch Miller, Lamarcus Aldridge was able to get involved for the first time in the night.  He hit some free throws and scored easily off of an offensive board.  Had the Blazers been able to keep up their formerly-hot three-point shooting this game might have ultimately ended up differently but predictably the long ball dried up.  The Celtics, meanwhile, got bailed out by Davis who, after checking in for a momentarily-bruised Kevin Garnett, rattled off 8 straight points on smaller, lighter defenders inside and outside of the paint.  The close shots were expected but the jumpers didn't seem fair.  When Portland's second unit guys came in the first-half stall-and-fall repeated itself.  The Celtics ended up leading by 7 after three.  All of Boston Garden was sure the other shoe had knocked the Blazers right on the head and everybody was ready for the victory dance.

The other shoe was fixin' to kick Portland's butt right out of the arena in the fourth, as the Celtics opened up a 16-point margin via star power and passing acumen.  The Blazers missed layups, free throws, and three-pointers.  Boston just never let them get an open look.  With 5:00 left the score was 80-96 in favor of the home team and everyone assumed the game was done.  Boston once again went into "whatevah" mode, hoisting up a variety of barely-caring shots, all of which missed.  The Blazers outworked them for the rebounds.  Meanwhile Portland released every major guard on the roster.  Andre Miller sliced them.  Brandon Roy diced them.  Rudy Fernandez treyed them and then Wesley Matthews filleted them.   When Brandon Roy backed his way into the lane for a successful 7-footer the score was 95-96 in Boston's favor.  Portland appeared poised to take that other shoe and stick it where the sun don't shine.  Sadly the game would resemble a licensed massage therapist and not one of those ill-lit joints.  Ray Allen, having missed nearly every shot all evening, missed a three so badly that the rebound came off hard...right into Boston's hands.  After a non-shooting foul the Blazers lined up in a basic zone, daring Boston to shoot long again.  Allen did, and he hit the only shot that the Blazers couldn't stomach:  a three.  The Blazers would chuck two wild threes trying to get the magic back but it was gone.  The margin remained at four points and Portland takes its 5th straight loss, 99-95.

Notable Developments

Wesley Matthews looked aggressive and active and actually played well with a variety of people, making his insertion into the starting lineup look decent.  His early threes were set up by teammates which made them more accurate and palatable.  As long as he's not creating his own shot constantly he looks like a weapon.

The Blazers definitely played with energy and definitely played together tonight.  Having to promote deep bench players into significant minutes is a glaring weakness which Boston exposed.  Portland's defense allowed 57% shooting as well.  Some of that was just laser-guided jump shooting by Boston but the lack of bulk inside and length outside contributed.  When fully-stocked, or even nearly so, the Blazers are big and long.  They didn't look that way tonight.  Every Boston player seemed to have 6 inches and 40 pounds on their counterparts.

Individual Notes

Brandon Roy went 5-10 from the floor but also 8-9 from the line as he posted 18 with 3 rebounds and 3 assists.  It looked like he would rediscover his clutch play late in the fourth but he never got the chance to make the difference.  The Celtics ran the offense at him pretty consistently though, to the point that the Blazers were looking to hide him guarding weaker offensive players.  It wasn't one of Roy's best 100 games in his career but it looked pretty good compared to recent offerings.

You can't say enough about Andre Miller tonight.  He took what the defense gave him and returned the change with a pat on the head.  He took 17 shots, only two of which looked forced and only one of those unnecessarily so.  He hit 9, scored 20, and dished 6.  His defense looked better than Roy's but Boston's guards are hard covers.  His aggression without selfishness was the storyline.  It was one of his best games.

Wesley Matthews went 8-13, 5-7 from distance, for a team high 23.  He was active all night, at least trying to make things happen.  He had 2 steals but 0-fered everything else.  But it's not like Batum hasn't done that too.  He remains a net positive as long as he remembers he was signed to guard Kobe Bryant, not be Kobe Bryant.

For the first time in a while the Blazers didn't run the offense primarily through LaMarcus Aldridge and all the guards looked happier for it.  Not being a true low threat, nor quick-footed, nor a volume passer Aldridge doesn't necessarily open up shots for his smaller teammates.  Tonight he used his quickness to counter Boston's superior bulk, spinning time and again for those now-familiar alley-oops.  He worked his turn-around more than the face-up.  He ended up 6-14 but like Roy drew plenty of foul shots, going 6-8 on the night.  He scored 18 with 6 rebounds.

Marcus Camby is starting to look like the soul of this team.  The 21 minutes he was on the court looked pretty good.  When he was off...not so much.  He had but 1 foul tonight but got hurt in the second and sat minutes the Blazers couldn't afford.  He had 9 rebounds, 3 assists, and 4 blocks on the evening.  Sadly his jumper continues its M.I.A. status, as he went 0-3 on the evening.

Rudy Fernandez looked committed to the cause, scoring 8 in 17 minutes.  His three-point shot seems to be random, though he made 2 of 4 tonight.  At this point when he shoots, even when open, you're hoping more than banking.  if he could recover his stroke he'd be a huge asset because he's getting looks.  He ended up 2-6 for the game and contributed 2 steals.

Dante Cunningham finally got a couple shots to fall, going 2-3 in his 13 minutes.  Unfortunately he was so outweighed and towered over that he couldn't manage much else.

Nicolas Batum played 15 minutes, hit 2 of 4, had 2 rebounds, 2 assists, and provided a couple nice defense stands including a really good blocked shot.  Still he wasn't the spark that Portland needs and his overall game looked mushy on both ends.

Sean Marks and Patty Mills combined for 0 points, 4 missed shots, 1 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 turnovers, and 7 personal fouls in their 8 minutes each.  The Celtics painted a meatloaf on Marks' uniform and ate him up.  Mills just looked grateful to do anything good.

Stats of the Night

  • Both teams top 40% from three-point range
  • Celtics 57% shooting ruins Portland's 46% night
  • Blazers score 42 points in the paint, about double their recent output
  • Blazers force 17 turnovers from veteran Boston
  • At the same time Boston claims 23 assists on 36 made shots
  • Paul Pierce 28 points, 9-11 shooting, 6-6 free throws, 7 rebounds
  • Ray Allen 1-6 three pointers, the "1" being the only one that mattered

Odd Notes and Links

The game was covered by NBA TV, they picked up the Boston feed, and as usual the W.A.I.L. effect was in full force.  For the uninitiated that means Whiniest Announcers In the League.  To his credit, Tom Heinsohn refrained from his usual repeated rants about how the Blazers are a lousy team just getting lucky against the Celtics.  But the duo made up for it by constantly complaining and calling for fouls.  And mind you, I follow Portland...a team with announcers that do plenty of talking about refs and a fan base that tends to whine about them too.  This is like Robert Downey Jr. saying you might have a little drug problem, like Don Rickles berating you for insulting people too much, like Harry Potter saying your glasses suck.  But there it is.  You guys are 14-4.  You have at least 5 locks for the Hall of Fame on your team, maybe more.  You're slated to contend for the title this year and you've hung a heck of a lot of them in the past...perhaps the proudest legacy in the league.  How about easing up so you don't sound like some guy in a bar watching his third game ever?

Boxscore

See what they think over at Celticsblog.

Here's your Jersey Contest Scoreboard for tonight and here's your form for Friday's game.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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good game

i though patty had a nice game and marks was ripped off

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Dec 1, 2010 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

Fix the bench...

…and we can win some games. Really need a backup point guard. Could use some more depth at the four as well after Joel comes back. Hint – Patty Mills is occupying a very valuable roster spot.

Ah – what am I saying – the season tickets are sold and the chips appear to be falling.

The front office will probably wait until February, then fire sale Camby, Joel, Andre and (fire) Nate and call it year until a new CBA is signed (as long as they all give each other credit for a job well done since not doing so is apparently a terminable offense).

Yeah – I’m down on the front office.

by wankerrific on Dec 1, 2010 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

poor form putting Pattys 0/1 and 0 t/o's & 2 fouls

together with Kiwi’s 2 t/o’s and 5 fouls and going 0/3 to make them both look poor.

by benfti on Dec 1, 2010 9:43 PM PST reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing,

Patty had a nice outing, Marks, with his foul fest, quite the contrary.

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 1, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

On Marks' behalf

he was active, constantly moving, setting screens and doing things that role players are supposed to do. But when you are trying to guard Shaquille O’Neal, you are going to look bad doing those things.

If Przybilla had been available, we would have won.

by hercher on Dec 2, 2010 2:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Sean Marks is just totally outmatched.

He might as well hang up his sneakers.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2010 3:54 AM PST up reply actions  

No doubt

He tries hard, but he just isn’t very good.

by hercher on Dec 2, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point.

I’d take the money, too.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 4, 2010 3:09 AM PST up reply actions  

making Joel guard Shaq on his first game back would have been brutal

OTOH, maybe O’Neal would have caught the flu from Przy—so what was Portland thinking!?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

OTOH, maybe O'Neal would have caught

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I just had radio.

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 2, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

We need a bench

A backup PG and some serviceable backup bigs. Not sure if Marks is going to settle down enough to be consistent…unless we’re talking consistently terrible.

A decent backup PG would seriously help though as every time Dre sits we get pulverized.

Good game. For a bit I actually thought they might pull it off. That’s really more than I expected so I’m happy.

by poorwebguy on Dec 1, 2010 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

Bench was let go!!

Channing Frye: After a slow start he is averaging around 10 pts and 5 reb. a game while shooting %45.
Josh McRoberts: Starting for Indiana while averaging 6 pts and 6 reb, a game in just 23 min.
Bayless: Up and down on new teams but scored 16 pts with 5 asst. and 6 rebs. tonight
Martell: Injured but was playing extremely well in the preseason and will be back soon.

We do not have a bench because Mgmt. just let it go away.

by dawgman47 on Dec 1, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but what's done is done there

We need a bench now. We’d probably be 11 – 7 right now had we just kept Bayless.PGless lineup is a complete black hole on offense and even defense.

by poorwebguy on Dec 1, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

We’d probably be 11 – 7 right now had we just kept Bayless.

this^

I’m not that optimistic, but Rex’ haters will continue to not appreciate the offensive spark that he brought to the bench last year—which will continue to be missed this year

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with what you're saying

and I was never a Bayless hater, but I still think long term it was the right deal to make

by Billy Hoyle on Dec 2, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

it would have been even better long-term decision

if the roster had been fortified with a decent veteran backup PG, rather than relying on a rookie PG and Mills to lead the bench unit

this wasn’t supposed to be a devlopmental year…but that’s what it’s shaping up to be. Some of it was injuries, but another part of it was flipping Bayless prematurely

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

bayless has been awful

we pretty much exchanged marty for wes, and wes>marty
we wouldnt have even had bayless if we didnt dump mcbob

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
the only diference between Chuck Norris and Nicolas Batum is one of them plays basketball

by thomasikehara on Dec 1, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Remind me why Bayless went instead of Mills.

Salary problems, right?
I would love to keep Bayless and McRoberts. McRoberts…. IDK, I guess we could say he is more of the complete version of our Luke Babbitt now. Kinda. Frye would be nice to have. Love Webster, but I don’t mind if he was let loose.

by Hopman27 on Dec 1, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow a Josh freaking McRoberts reset...

No need to look any further to know that times are tough in Blazer land when people are pining for the return of THAT stiff…

by Visionary2 on Dec 2, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I chuckled too!

And wishing we had Frye even though he’s only 10 & 5 as a STARTER!

I’m not saying our bench is strong but wishing for Frye and McBob is a little much…

#20

by clinchmobb on Dec 2, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

if batum and Rudy can start making some shots we'll be fine

those two are pretty good for reserves they just can’t seem to find their identity.

by skott75 on Dec 1, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

But that’s been the most frustrating thing in the last couple of games. The “bad fourth quarter” problem got a lot of press, but in all of these games the team was in it, or leading, until that late 3rd into early 4th transition where the starters need some rest, the bench comes in and the wheels totally fall off the bus.

I don’t know why there aren’t more specific Rudy-to-Batum or vice versa plays, with one of them in the role as primary scoring option. They both can pass well, but just can’t create for themselves. Yet they both can shoot and you’d think they’d find each other in a play where they are both in motion instead of one at a time. More often than not they seem on the fringe, or as the bail out 3rd option on someone else’s failed play. And then they hesitate or panic. Either that or Rudy runs off of screens, doesn’t get a good look and then calls it a day.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 2, 2010 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudy Fernandez can dish it fine, but not Nicolas Batum. As it is, Batum's AST% is terrible for a ...

wing — which is one of many reasons regarding why the Scottie Pippen comparison is absurd, with some of the other reasons including the difference in physical strength, assertiveness on the court, and defensive intensity (e.g., Pippen could front post players better than any wing of his era) — thus, he shouldn’t be put in the position of having to facilitate the offense.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2010 4:05 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s a good point about Batum.

I definitely don’t think he’s the next Scottie Pippen. I’ll settle for him being the next Nic Batum if he can play to his strengths and get some consistency to his game.

But do you think that the low AST% is because he doesn’t have the skills, or that he’s not being put in the position to succeed? He definitely doesn’t have the look of a facilitator know, and seems far too tentative to initiate offense and make risky passes. It’s more a question of whether he could develop that side of the game, or even just one or two plays that give the team more options.

Granted this may be a case where a fan is looking at the idea that a player tends to just be on the finishing end of plays and thinks there’s other possibilities being overlooked— but the coaching staff knows darn well what these players can and can’t do, and it’s set up that way for a reason. Still would like to see something where Rudy hits Nic in motion.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 2, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

As the team's backup 1, I'd like a defensive-minded off guard.

Come 12/15/2010, I’d look to use that trade exception obtained from the Jerryd Bayless deal — which was a necessary move, since the gunner had to go — to acquire Keyon Dooling of the Milwaukee Bucks.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2010 3:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate's still got the idea logded in his head of an uptempo 2nd unit

Armon wasn’t getting it done, so now he’s trying Patty as a last resort

what the Blazers need is a veteran PG who can hit Rudy and Nic while they’re on the move (curls off picks set by Przy, etc) I don’t think that’s one of Dooling’s strengths, but I haven’t seen him play very much. What I read about Keyon is that he’s a me-first gunner, so it would be ironic if the Blazers added him to “replace” Bayless

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

*lodged

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought you believed that Cho was infallible? Did he make a mistake giving up Bayless for AJ's playing time?

How disappointing if the Blazers own draft pick is better than the one we acquired for Bayless!

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 2, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Rich was listening to Paul and Nate

Allen told him he wanted to keep Mills, Nate told him he thought AJ would be OK

Even if Cho was an infallible computer: garbage in, garbage out

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

we need Blake

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 2, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

a player like Blake, not Steve himself

Actually, I’d prefer a backup PG more like Miller. Someone who can penetrate and has good court vision. (Shooting and great defense would be nice, but then we’re talking about a star PG)

They’re not easy to come by, but if Portland had started looking for one last July, they would have been better prepared for this season

For example: Jerry Sloan and the Jazz knew they needed a decent backup to D-Will, so they signed Earl Watson. There’s a team that’s familiar with round 2 of the playoffs

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Is a trade coming?

Not sure what’s up with Nic but he’s not the same guy. Not sure if it’s Wesley starting? – not sure if it’s Roy coming back at 3/4 ability and his role was reduced? – but the fire is not in his eyes. I wonder if they are preparing for a trade and simply limiting Nic’s minutes. He seemed untouchable but now I’m not so sure.

 We could see a blockbuster that could reshape the team now that Roy’s game has changed and Oden is out. This team could have done well with both of them active and healthy. If Nic is traded then you have to get a SF as one of the pieces as Wes is really a 2 -3 combo. We could see Miller traded if the right deal presents itself but then again we would need a starting PG in return. Something is bound to happen and I hope Cho gets it right. They might be waiting to see how Joel effects the team and then try for some new players.
I doubt we see this same team together for the season and I expect a trade sooner than later.

by Idahoblazerfan on Dec 1, 2010 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

I wonder if they are preparing for a trade and simply limiting Nic’s minutes. He seemed untouchable but now I’m not so sure

Well if they are, they’re going about it with reverse-logic if they want to receive a decent return

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

That's right. Usually if a player is going to be traded, that player is showcased.. right?

No one is throwing Nic the ball..it was mentioned that he was open for the ball about 4 times during one game..after slashing or cutting and no one threw him the ball..I didn’t see these games..because I was working and didn’t want to see them after I heard about them!!!!

Also I heard that on the 2nd unit..because Nic is the number one threat to shoot…the defense is focusing on him…is this true?
Since Dante and Rudy haven’t been able to consistently hit..or AJ…so it seems possible.

by Natsthecat on Dec 2, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a Nate hater, but wow that was dumb Nate.

We may not have won or tied up the game but you have to give yourself a chance.

The Blazers had the ball out of bounds with 10 seconds left down by 4 points.

You have to shoot and make a 3 and then foul immediately. We still had another timeout left. So even if Boston makes 2 free throws you get the ball back and are only down 3 with a chance to force overtime.

So what did you do Nate? You left Andre Miller in the game and Miller gets the wide open 3 pt shot from the corner and misses everything by about 2 feet (bringing his season 3-pt shooting percentage to an astonishing 6.7% – Had you noticed that Nate?). If he makes the shot there is 6 seconds left and we’ll get a chance to tie or win at the buzzer after Boston shoots foul shots.

So why, oh why was Miller in the game when the only play was to shoot the 3? Why Nate?

(Even though Miller missed the wide open shot that would have kept the Blazers in the game it was still one the Teflon-covered guy’s best games? 20 pts on 17 shots and only 6 assists – it was a good game to that point but nothing spectacular or near his best.)

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2010 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

If only Nate was a puppet master

and could just make the guys do exactly what he wanted. Or are we suggesting Nate wanted Dre making a 3pt attempt?

Without Miller this game wouldn’t have even been a game. Miller and Camby both have become completely irreplaceable in our current line-up…at least until Pryz comes back.

by poorwebguy on Dec 1, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller shouldn't have been in the game on that play. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I would normally agree with this

Except our team seems completely inept at even running plays without Miller. The offense really turns into something horrendous…especially against good defense.

by poorwebguy on Dec 1, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

There was only 3 or 4 seconds to get the 3-pt shot off and still have time to foul and score again.

There was no time to run a “play” except the out of bounds play. Whoever got the ball had to dish immediately to an open man (which they did) or shoot themselves if they were open (which they weren’t). You have to put nothing but your best 3-pt shooters on the court for that one play, and definitely not someone shooting 6.7%. (Roy, Matthews, LMA, Batum and Rudy)

 (I agree with you that Miller has been the only person that can run plays on a normal clock – but this was a different situation.)

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

At the very least Miller should have inbounded

by poorwebguy on Dec 1, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Even then, the in-bounder is sometimes the guy the defense forgets about and can get a return pass for an open shot.

Sorry, I’m not trying to keep this going, but it’s true.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries

I’m pretty sure the only reason I responded originally is just because I’m tired of hearing this so I’m just pulling arguments out of the air…which makes this all my fault anyway.

Nate may very well get replaced this season or next and he may have screwed up the last few seconds of the C’s game. Look closer again, though and you’ll see an incomplete and banged up team that just gave the C’s a run for their money with Sean Marks matched up with Shaq and Patty Mills in against Nate Robinson and then Rondo.

Seriously How could Nate just not walk away from that? People hate him already and are calling for his job…so why even play this game? The zone sounds terrible but we have to go there because there is no way on earth we go man to man for long in most of these situations.

The rotations seem bad sometimes until leaving the hot hand in extra minutes means they have nothing to give in the 4th. Timeouts seem bad when the team can’t run a simple play out of a timeout. When it inspires an open Rudy 3pt and another run suddenly it’s a good idea.

Point is for all the crap Nate takes he’s a highly respected professional coach in the NBA. Hating him and calling for his job is alright. I just wish we wouldn’t go full blown hate mode after a game that we should have gotten blown out in that we almost managed to steal.

If you’re going to credit the guy for his mistakes then you need to look at the little things he does that give us a fighting chance.

by poorwebguy on Dec 2, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's fair

I am a vocal Nate critic, and strongly believe the Blazers need a new coach.

However, I have never said Nate is a bad coach. I just think he is the wrong coach for this team, right now.

He did a very good job with a young team coming out of the jailblazer era. He instilled discipline and character. He got them to take pride in their collective performance rather than their individual stats.

Last season he did a great job of circling the wagons and not letting the team throw in the towel at a time when absolutely no one would have blamed them for doing so.

He isn’t a great strategist, but that is only part of being a coach. His problem now is that his message is the same after every game, and the players just aren’t getting the message. Whether that is his fault or theirs is irrelevent. It is much more difficult to trade or move 12 players than it is to replace the coach.

I also think that he is too close to some of his players, specifically Roy. Nearly everybody else believes Roy needs to play less, not more, right now, that Nate should consider putting him with the so-called second unit. This would do a couple things: provide that unit with some scoring punch; preserve Roy’s minutes; allow Matthews and Batum to start, a role they clearly are better at than as back-ups; and thus provide more depth.

But Nate won’t do that. Last night was the first time in a long time that he didn’t call iso plays for Roy in a tight game at the end. As a consequence, the Blazers got an open look for Miller (even though he missed), and Roy himself was able to make a nice shot in the paint that he couldn’t have gotten off an iso.

So yes, Nate does get a few things right. But the situation is wrong for him now.

by hercher on Dec 2, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Hard to say

We still look and act like a young team with devastating injury problems. Nate’s resume is pretty good there.

We also look like a team not built to contend. One of the big knocks on Nate has been his in – ability to adjust in the playoffs. Without a decent bench we probably won’t need to worry about that.

There’s probably not a coach in the NBA that could get what we have now to round two in the playoffs. Most wouldn’t even try. There is a coach that does fairly good at at least getting us to round one.

by poorwebguy on Dec 2, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

just to nitpick

this “nearly everyone” that thinks Roy should play less still isn’t everyone, and NONE of us really know as much about basketball as Nate and his staff (or any NBA staff for that matter) probably do.

That said, I think Roy’s time on the court is still more effective at this point than any alternative, just because quite a few bedgers disagree with that does not make it conclusive

by Billy Hoyle on Dec 2, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's a fair point

and I freely admit that even Nate knows more about basketball than I do (though I know more about insurance fraud than he does!), but part of my point isn’t just that Roy is less effective than he once was. It is also that there are advantages to having Roy on the bench.

by hercher on Dec 2, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I've supported Nate for a long time on this site, against a lot of opposition.

Notice I didn’t say anything about firing him above. I don’t like the knee jerk calls for his head after every loss either. (But I do think this will be his last year here unless Brandon suddenly makes a miracle recovery.)

Nevertheless, some of his decisions and strategies are just too bizarre to ignore. I think he made back-to-back serious mistakes at the end of the game last night, and he shouldn’t be left off the hook for those bad decisions when the players are held accountable for theirs (except of course for Teflon-Miller).

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 2, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate's given the Blazers a fighting chance for 5 years

but his mistakes have piled up, and now there’s no hope in sight for his system or coaching acumen to ever produce a playoff series victory (unless he has significanty better talent than his competitors)

So he’s got to go. It’s not hate, it’s just how pro sports work

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

i dont get it

2-3 zone when they have one of the greatest shooters of all time??

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
the only diference between Chuck Norris and Nicolas Batum is one of them plays basketball

by thomasikehara on Dec 1, 2010 10:19 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Seemed a little weird

but then again we were out sized and it would have been a matter of ease for any of their guys to just bulldoze inside for 2pts or an and 1. They were ahead so the latter would have been just as much a dagger.

They didn’t need a 3 pointer technically…it just made a really good dagger shot.

by poorwebguy on Dec 1, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, that defense was inexplicable.

I’ve watch the replay in slow motion about a dozen times and listened to Nate’s comment after the game. The one thing you can’t do in that situation is give up an open 3 pt shot. I don’t know why the heck Nate had them in that zone or why he wanted them to play it as they did.

After the game Nate said he wanted to trap the ball handler (Pierce). And indeed, during the play Nate is standing and swinging his arms at Miller to tell him to go up and trap Pierce. Miller has his back turned to Nate and Allen looking cross court and yelling at his teammates. Then he sees (and hears?) Nate and starts to take two steps toward Pierce and stops. At that moment Pierce passes to Allen in the corner and there is no way Miller can get over to cover from the elbow, or that LMA can come from under the basket guarding his man and cover Allen in time. I don’t know what the heck Nate was thinking.

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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you could see the confusion as Andre is realizing he would have to leave Allen wide open, and is gesturing back to LMA to cover the spot. By that time it’s all over.

It’s like the Coors Light “freeze play” of a broken defensive moment.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 2, 2010 2:49 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s like the Coors Light "freeze play" of a broken defensive moment.

It was an example of a smart veteran team taking advantage of a “surprise” zone. Boston wasn’t fooled, didn’t panic, and Allen made the shot that he had missed all game

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It's maddening

especially when you consider that Ray Allen did the same thing to us just a year ago with a 3 pt shot. But in watching the replay over you can see that KG got some steps on Roy in the middle and if Pierce had decided to pass to Garnett, he would have most likely gotten around Brandon for 2.

"I don’t think it’s lost. I don’t think it’s lost. It’s adversity and something that we have to deal with. We wish it wasn’t like this, but it is."

-Brandon Roy 11/18/2010 as told to CBSSports.com blog

by The_Natural on Dec 2, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

The choice of using a zone in the NBA as anything more than a change of pace is due to personnel limitations on one or both teams.

There’s a reason most coaches use the zone D very sparingly in the NBA. Too many teams have too many good shooters or quick guards who can attack the corners of the zone and make mince meat out of it.

Nate uses the zone perhaps more than any other coach right now at least partially because his hand is forced by the guys he has on this roster. 4 out of 5 of his starters are not good man to man defenders. 2 or 3 of them are practically driving cones against quick players. We have a good “help” defender in Camby and a good team defender who understands angles in Miller. LMA picks his spots and when he’s active is also a good team defender. Roy can’t guard his shadow. Mathews is the lone exception and the one guy you can stick on someone and expect him to slow that guy down or prevent him from always getting where he wants on the floor at will.

In that situation he probably should have put Batum on the inbounder and told Mathews to shadow Allen.

by mjswoosh on Dec 2, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

derek fisher shut ray down in finals games 2-7

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the only diference between Chuck Norris and Nicolas Batum is one of them plays basketball

by thomasikehara on Dec 2, 2010 4:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Miller played fastastic defense against ROndo

Limiting him to 6pts and 5 Assists while he was in the game. He played off him all night begging him to shoot, and cut off Rondo’s drives to the basket. In fact, Rondo reminds me a little of Miller in the fact that he’s not a great outside shooter, and does his best work driving the dishing.

Rondo was quicker then Miller ever was, and probably a better passer, and Miller is a better post player and inside scorer. Miller won the battle hands down tonight in his own turf.

Don’t slag Miller’s D it is usually very underrated and often very good.

by zeusmith on Dec 2, 2010 5:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Andre Miller is a fairly crafty defender who does a find job considering his lack of speed.

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by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I would agree with the term "crafty" for sure.

I love Miller’s game overall & absolutely love to watch him play offensively and defensively. He’s a good team defender who uses a high BBIQ, anticipation, angles, vet savvy, and no doubt a heavy dose of reading the scouting reports & watching video on his opponents to make up for his lack of lateral quicks. However, he is not a good man to man defender and has to be hidden in a zone or switching scheme a lot of the time. If we had a top flight man to man defender at the starting 2 this wouldn’t be nearly as much of an issue. It saddens me to say all this to be honest because overall I love Miller’s game.

by mjswoosh on Dec 2, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

nate would use switching even if we had rondo

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by thomasikehara on Dec 3, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Defending Nate??????

That call alone should get him fired. Give up the 2 Nate, we are only down by 3!!!! I bet another Miller Nate blow up is coming.

by MPP24 on Dec 2, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Two explanations for Patty

1. Patty is getting traded. Nate wanted to showcase him so that Cho could make his pitches.

3. We have no one who could play PG off the bench (though AJ hasn’t been THAT bad).

What other explanation could there be for Nate to break the streak of DNP-CD for Patty Mills?

by thevupster777 on Dec 1, 2010 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

Armon had a good start to the season for like 3-4 games, and has been bad ever since

In one game he set a turnover per minutes record only beaten by one guy in the early 90s and not reached since. Nate hates turnovers, and they have been a problem all season for the whole team. Likely stemming from that problem of taking care of the ball, he has stopped being aggressive and passes up open shots or driving lanes to continue to pull it back out and dribble the air out of the ball. He has arrived right back at a level with other backup PGs of the past like Sergio. He has a lot of potential and it’s early in his career, but I don’t mind trying out the other backup PG for a few games to see if that helps. Patty didn’t look terrible and had the bad luck that Nate Rob tweaked something so Rondo was right back in the game maybe ruining a matchup McMillan had planned for. His problem is that he gives up size at the defensive end, but offensively Armon was really nothing to write home about the last games. And backup PG isn’t our biggest problem, though a reliable one would probably make an end to the “No PG” lineups, though Nate sometimes would have Miller available late in games and still opts to not use him.

by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Mostly agree, though I have to slightly disagree on one point...er...about the point...

…specifically, that backup PG isn’t our biggest problem. I actually believe that the starting AND backup PG positions are by far our biggest single problem. Yes, I’m a fan of Miller’s and love watching him play. But his inability to play man to man defense is a major problem for the starting unit. Likewise, even though AJ plays adequate and sometimes very good man to man D, it’s clear he isn’t ready to run the offense.

From my perspective, the single biggest problem we have stems from both guard spots: We can’t stop opposing guards at the point of attack. PGs and SGs on nearly every team have their way with us and get to every spot they want to at will on almost every possession. This results in assists for high percentage layups/dunks…or high percentage layups/dunks off penetration.

by mjswoosh on Dec 2, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

spirit

even though it was another loss, i thought they showed great spirit tonight in coming back tonight
down 14 tonight with 3min to go on the road, alot have teams would have folded, but they kept coming at them and nearly nicked the win
can’t judge patty off 1 game, probaly the first game has he ever played, were he has participated in significant minutes

by Ronny M on Dec 1, 2010 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

Yep.

Couldnt watch the game, but the stats showed up pretty nice. We scored more than they did in the fourth quarter. Felt like a while now.
Though I was expecting a loss, I was actually happy about this loss. People seem more into it, except for Batum.

Is he really detriorating? Batum? Stick him in the line-up over Roy, and lie to tell the media that Roy needs rest (that would stir up a butt load of crap.) See if he still produces.

by Hopman27 on Dec 1, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell is really going on?

I am living in LA so I don’t get as much news about my team down here. Last year, like this Oden and Pryz were down almost all year too, and Roy missed a bunch of games, so why so crappy this year? Have they quit already?

by ebnerblazer on Dec 1, 2010 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

They are having trouble hitting their "jump shots"...

and just about every other shot! My God, if we could get half the shots by the basket to go down, we would be 12-6!!!! I have never ever seen a team miss so many lay ups!

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by jenstcy on Dec 2, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

bad hands?

I swear another anomaly with our team is dropped/fumbled possesions. Most teams turnovers are stolen passes, travelling, etc, but our are always something like ball goes through LAs hands out of bounds, Wes dribbles off his foot, etc. Could also help explain why we’re a terrible interior passing team

by Billy Hoyle on Dec 2, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave,

can you ever give Wes the credit he deserves? the guy was our leading scorer. he shot an unbelievably sharp 8-13. I’m sorry, but reverse the roles for a second. just to humor me. batum rings in 23 in the starting lineup, delivers a huge steal and converted layup to give the blazers a shot at stealing this game; on the flip side, Wes provides a paltry 2-4 off the bench. The reaction? You launch Batum’s line, credit him as the best player on the court, and scoff at Wes’ lack of inserting himself as that first option bench player. For the last three games now, albeit losing efforts, Wesley Matthews has been our NUMBER ONE PLAYER. And to what credit? A condescending reminder that he stays in his place as a defender of Kobe Bryant rather than an imitator. Get real, man. He’s the only player other than Miller really delivering and you somehow find a way to belittle those contributions. It’s BS, really.

by lane row on Dec 1, 2010 11:14 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Out of line.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 1, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

"Condescending reminder"

“Get real, man.” “It’s B.S.”

Feel free to check the site rules about attacking a poster personally rather than addressing the content and disguised swear.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 1, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

maybe i came on a bit strong. i totally stand by what my point was, though. namely, that
wes is getting short-changed. namely, if batum were putting up wes’ numbers dave (and probably most of us along with him) would be singing his praises. and namely, saying “if he remembers that he was signed to guard kobe and not be him” is a really unappreciative way of saying, “hey wes, you’re our best player right now.” that’s all. i’ll watch the language though.

by lane row on Dec 1, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

This site is built out of passionate fans. This sites job is not to regulate morality.

If I write something that is BS, then tell me about it. The last thing I want is to be ignorant of my blind spots. A wise man loves his critics, because he learns the most from them. A fool will try to silence them. lane row is pointing out a weak spot in Dave’s reporting. Why silence the guy? Sometimes swear words are needed to make a strong point, especially on a board FILLED with strong points.

by Ryan Finlay on Dec 1, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Well put defense. I agree with lane row's sentiments 110%, even if his words are a bit strong.

I realize there are always going to be supporters/detractors of every player on every roster no matter how good or bad they are on a truly objective scale. Regardless, it’s difficult to argue against Wes right now. I’ve been a pretty big supporter of his. I don’t necessarily like his “style” of play sometimes, but I absolutely love, love, love his hustle and production. As lane row correctly noted, other than Miller he’s really the only guy who is competing right now. And he is arguably the ONLY player on the roster who is effective on both ends since Miller is a sub-par defender.

by mjswoosh on Dec 2, 2010 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

The use of "B.S." is not allowed here

particularly when describing someone else’s comments. I did comment at length on the rest below.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 2, 2010 1:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I am not a fool.

Without passing any judgment on the merits of lane row’s point, I think he could have expressed it better (which he acknowledged and is fine). It’s not “regulating morality” to ask people participating in an internet forum to follow the site conversation rules for that forum.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 2, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

and another thing...

…When our supposed “Kobe” (brandon roy) only puts up 10 shots, wouldn’t you agree that we actually need someone to step up and, to use your words, be Kobe? Nope. Absolutely not. Matthews is a defender. Nevermind that he can score and attack the basket. Nevermind that we don’t have a go to player right now. Nevermind he is making 34 mil. Nevermind everything. And, while we’re at it, when the hell’s nate going to put Batum back in the starting lineup, anyways?

just unbelievable.

by lane row on Dec 1, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the point he was trying to make is

that when set up properly Mathews is a great offensive weapon, but when he try’s to create his own offense he is ineffective, hence the comment about not being Kobe Bryant.

by Jeremy Wonderly on Dec 1, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to give you my perspective

though the above comment is right that calling someone else’s thoughts, “B.S.” is not allowed on the site for at least a couple reasons: disguised swearing and being tantamount to an inflammatory, ad hominem argument. Expressing admiration for Wesley Matthews is, of course, fine and even encouraged.

This is not the first time an argument such as the one you are making has been advanced. People said I was biased when I mentioned Zach Randolph’s consistently poor defense towards the end of his run with the Blazers. A very vocal group called me unfair and wondered why I didn’t embrace Sergio Rodriguez as the next great point guard on nights when he had dazzling assists. This was followed by a similar bunch arguing for Jerryd Bayless as the Next Great PG on those occasions he scored in droves. People castigated me for not fully appreciating Andre Miller’s not-since-repeated 52-point outing, for hating on Rudy Fernandez when I mentioned his “D” even when he hit threes, for not respecting Joel Przybilla enough because I observed his offense often allows opponents to play 5-on-4 defense. We could go on.

In each case, I figure my job is to call what I see. I think there’s a pretty strong argument to be made that in the cases above, what I saw turned out to be accurate despite the storm that surrounded it. So when I see something, I say it.

In this particular case I will say that I am more excited about Wesley Matthew’s prospects with the team than I have been about any of the above players. Matthews is likely to stick. However the specific caution in the Kobe Byrant statement speaks exactly to the assertion you’re making. To trumpet his leading-scorer-ship and prodigious point production in the last few games without qualification would leave open the implication that his role is going to be #1 option, period. That’s not how he’s getting his points. In fact earlier this season (before the last three games) he showed quite poorly when thrust into that scenario. He is not apt at getting his own shot off the dribble nor at creating pressure on the opposing defense in that manner. His scoring is coming off of being set up. That doesn’t make it any less valuable or exciting, but the distinction is necessary and valuable when assessing what the team does and doesn’t have. That’s why I made the point.

Hope that answers your question.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 2, 2010 1:48 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

how you described Mathews is actually encouraging

The “off the dribble” limitation seems to rear its ugly head only when Mathews tries to create in isolation – as his ability to attack off the dribble within the flow of the offense (off the curl especially) seems to be more than adequate.

Other than that – Mathews has been effective as an option in the offense. As long as he is never asked to break down defenders like only Roy and Miller can do on this team, all is good.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 2, 2010 5:03 AM PST up reply actions  

As long as he is never asked to break down defenders like only Roy and Miller can do on this team

and like Bayless could

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

it's safe to say that role players had a more significant impact to Blazer success than previously indicated

I had hoped Johnson wouldn’t be asked to do more than take care of the ball, play with his head up, and play excellent defense.

However, he is also being asked to create for teammates – which is too much too soon. I still think he has the talent to make it happen, but something has changed with the entire Blazer team recently, and it isn’t PG play or shooting – it is a mindset.

Johnson and Batum both have good games in them. Those good games haven’t gone away because they forgot how to play basketball. Those good games have gone away because they don’t know what they are supposed to be doing on the court.

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by blacknoiseNW on Dec 2, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, Armon has been scouted and he's a rookie from the WAC

So he could be told what to do and still be in a fog out there. I think AJ’s got potential, but putting him in charge of a second unit was just asking for droughts

Matthews didn’t do well when playing off the bench, so I don’t know why anyone should expect Nic to do any better than Wesley. Rudy has been up and down, too

At least Bayless would attack the basket. Everyone was concerned about Jerryd not being a PG, but when the reserves come in the game somebody’s got to score. Rudy, Wesley and Nic need a decent PG setting them up. AJ is raw, and the league has a book on him, now. Patty is going to push the tempo, but I’d be surprised if he sets up the wings successfully for an extended period of time

It’s too late to get Rex back, but he would’ve come in handy. At least he would have scored some and drawn some FTs during the 2nd-3rd quarter stagnations

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally

I liked Patty over Armon in summer league, exactly for what he brings ala Jerryd, offense, obviously not in the same way as Rex, but you get my point. Ultimately Armon has a much higher ceiling than Patty or Jerryd due to his size/length and skill off the ball, he’ll just need to reign in that handle, prove his court vision, and make smart decisions. His shot already looks legit although like anyone it can use more repetition.

You are right, neither player is at the level of Bayless right now, but both have their upsides at fractions of the cost and honestly I don’t think we were expecting to have to lean on them so much so early.

by Billy Hoyle on Dec 2, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

both have their upsides at fractions of the cost and honestly I don’t think we were expecting to have to lean on them so much so early.

Who else was going to play back-up PG after Bayless was dealt? Maybe Nate thought the duo-2-guard lineups would fly (with Matthews or Rudy playing the “point”) but that experiment was miserable and ended fairly quick. Then it was Armon’s turn and he had some nice games (like Sergio did early on, as a rookie) but the scouts saw him, filed their reports and now he’s being defended by players that are bigger/quicker and by team defenses that are much more complicated than what he saw in the WAC

I was impressed with AJ in Vegas, too—but not as much as by Bayless back in ’08. Summer league defenses are plain vanilla, and the league is guard-oriented. Heading into fall camp my suggestion was for the team to use their BAE and add a veteran PG for the 15th spot on the roster. This was even before the Bayless trade. My concern was “what would happen if” Andre was hurt, especially after the trading deadline? The team would be in big trouble if they had to rely on Jerryd and a rookie PG during the post season

Well, here we sit on Dec 2. The team is 8-10 and I’m having a Jim Mora-like reaction to the word “PLAYoffs?” I’ll never be a big fan of Mills because of his defensive limitations (size matters) but it seems like Nate has this idea stuck in his head that the second unit needs to pick up the pace, so he’s tried Sergio, Bayless, Miller, Johnson and Mills as his 2nd unit PGs during the past 3+ seasons. It’s becoming less and less effective, and this year the bench’s scoring has become downright, well, offensive.

I feel bad or complementary players like Rudy, Cunningham and Matthews (before he was a starter, and now Batum) because they’re being criticized for lacking aggressiveness or consistency, when the main problem with the bench is they’re undersized and sieve-like on defense (so they’re not getting stops or many transition opportunities) and that the backup PG is either hesitant (or reckless, or unable) to pass the ball to his teammates for good scoring opportunities.

A veteran backup PG would solve a lot of these bench woes, but unfortunately the good ones were all signed during the offseason, while Portland was trying to accommodate Rudy’s trade requests

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

bad *for

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Matthews - *somebody* has to score on this team

Because frankly, nobody else can. LMA will chip in his softy 18 a night, but that’s about it. Who knows what you’ll get from Roy from night to night.

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 2, 2010 7:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Who knows what you’ll get from Roy from night to night

efficient scoring, for one

by Billy Hoyle on Dec 2, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good description of Matthews

I thought he was the kind of player the Blazers needed in their rotation when they signed him with the ability to “do some things” all over the court as Nate likes to say at infinitum, but I would never have casted him in the #1 scorer role. Starting, well maybe. But there are weaknesses in his game, otherwise he would have also been a lottery pick and not an undrafted player overlooked by scouts and front office execs. There are overlooked guys who go on a prosperous career in the NBA with enough examples dropping to the late 2nd round who have 1st round talent, but not nearly as many major stars as e.g. in the NFL where team-leading QBs occasionally go undrafted only to blossom later.

by Norsktroll on Dec 2, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

could Wesley be flourishing because he's playing alongside Miller?

Matthews has been fortunate to begin his career on 2 teams with excellent PGs

OTOH, Wesley struggled when he was coming off Portland’s bench and had to force his own offense

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

not respecting Joel Przybilla enough because I observed his offense often allows opponents to play 5-on-4 defense

The same could be said of Marcus Camby right now, and yet he’s “the soul of the team”

It takes 5 players working together on the floor to win, some will defend better than others, some will shoot better than others. A PG with BBIQ on the floor at all times is also helpful.

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Marcus Camby's offensive game

is far greater than Joel Przybilla’s.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 2, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

oh yeah...very much better.

for one thing, he can catch the ball…last year I remember times when Joel couldn’t unless it was practically handed to him.
I think his catching and shooting got worse post wrist injury..which I do not think was re-habbed correctly. That is my observation/opinion.
Maybe he was able to work on his wrist/shot while on the mend this past year.
Regardless, it will be good to see him back, if he is able to play at all.
He cannot be worse than Marks.
He will be a good emotional shot in the arm for the Blazers.
Also, I would like to see Juwann back!!!!! He is the guy I wish the Blazers kept!!!!

by Natsthecat on Dec 2, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Babbit..... bench?

Our bench is not scoring at all… We drafted Babbit as a scoring player. Why not give him some run and see if maybe he can get some buckets for us. It seems like we draft players here but never really give them much run. I understand they are rookies but look at just about every team out there, they usually will atleast give their 1st round pick some minutes off the bench. He can’t do less scoring than Dante or anyone else off the bench has been giving us.

Heres an even crazier idea. While roy is still hurting and we are limiting his mins, how bout this for two line ups:

Starting: Miller, Wes, Batum, LA, Camby
2nd: Roy (running the show), rudy, babbit, dante, and pryz.

by Kazper on Dec 1, 2010 11:23 PM PST reply actions  

babbitt is so bad

its not even funny

Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
the only diference between Chuck Norris and Nicolas Batum is one of them plays basketball

by thomasikehara on Dec 2, 2010 4:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Roy being the 6th man

and surrounding Brandon with 3 point shooters has def worked in the past

but it would be a slow/deliberate 2nd unit—which I’m OK with—but Nate prefers an uptempo bench

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I think there are too many changes to this team for us to be successful right now.

No Outlaw, Blake, and Webster. 2nd round players getting meaninful time in those spots. Brandon Roy is a step slower, and no back up centers.

Let’s hope Pryzbilla can help us turn things around. There’s always hope.

by BRoyInThe4th on Dec 2, 2010 12:00 AM PST reply actions  

Pryz should be a huge help.

Pryz tonight may well have made the difference.

If Oden does not give up on the Blazers, we should not give up on him.

by Berkeley on Dec 2, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Was at Spirit of 77 tonight will lots of other junkers and Bedgers. We all had some epic free throw battles with the hoop machines they have there.

Fun game. We really played well for stretches, and that 15-0 run in the 4th quarter was great. I feel like if RayRay had been covered on that back-breaking three he made we might have stolen this one. All the momentum was with us after all. Andre was screaming to the rest of the team to cover him, and if I remember correctly he was guarding Pierce at the elbow, so it’s not like he could leave his man. This leads me to believe that the team is just not trying as hard as they used to.

#20

by dario argento on Dec 2, 2010 12:53 AM PST reply actions  

That is the impression I am getting.

ESPECIALLY after BRoy’s statements about the team being able to win some games now and then…really did not like his statements about this team being in re-build mode.
What a jerky statement for the leader of the team to make.
Talk about taking the spirit right out of the team…
“my knees are making me feel bad..so hey, I will make sure I take everyone right down with me”
This is how his statements came across to me…

by Natsthecat on Dec 2, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You gotta love the effort for 3.5 quarters tonight. I'm proud of the team for this effort.

I’m OK with the guys losing a game like this. I can’t accept losing to putrid teams like the Nets and 76ers in such embarrassing, disengaged fashion. But the guys generally looked mentally into it tonight. I even found myself believing they could pull off an upset for much of the game. And, really, what more can we ask for…other than the W, of course. The end of game execution was sub-par. Digging themselves into a 16 pt hole isn’t good. But the comeback was fast and furious. And for one night at least, the fire seemed to be back in the Blazer’s collective bellies. If they could give this kind of effort every night, I’m sure that win or lose they’d make some believers out of a few more of us. Ultimately, Cho probably needs to blow this team up. But tonight was a brief bright spot despite the loss. Way to go guys.

by mjswoosh on Dec 2, 2010 1:22 AM PST reply actions  

Looks like they may be coming out of the slump

They played hard and competitively against one of the top teams in the league, gave themselves a chance to win. A big improvement over the previous 4 games, even though they didn’t get the W.

Hope they build on this.

by greenknight on Dec 2, 2010 1:24 AM PST reply actions  

The Celtics were being lazy and when they tried, they came back and won.

This is how their press is writing it. They let a weak team think they could win and that team almost did….wonder if Roy even cares.

by Natsthecat on Dec 2, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy on D

Watching Roy play defense over the last few games has generally been a quick way to give you that sick feeling in the stomach, as well as a quick way to get a read on how his knees must really be feeling.

I’d be curious to get other people’s reactions who were making a point to watch him away from the ball. But it felt like in this game he had some stretches where he was really moving, putting in some effort. While defense was never was his strong suit, even when healthy, there were a number of times where he closed out on a shooter, worked around a pick, or did his best to deny ground to Big Baby Davis.

It felt like the best he’s looked on that end of the court since coming back from the bad knees. He’s definitely so far from 100% it isn’t even close. But after seeming like such a liability in recent games, if he can keep up even this level of activity on a back-to-back, you’ve got to commend the effort. It makes the whole team so much better compared to coasting through so he can preserve energy for a jump shot on the other end. I felt like we saw the difference at times tonight.

Also, I don’t know what kind of damage Marcus Camby took on the knee, but it obviously didn’t look fun. No doubt he’s feelin’ it right about now. Obviously it wasn’t critical, but the guy’s still a champ for manning up in the second half like there was never any question. I know I wasn’t the only Blazer fan getting MIGHT-Y nervous at the thought of Sean Marks for an entire second half. You know if Marcus was Paul Pierce he’d be milking it like his own Disney/ESPN/Lifetime channel movie-of-the-week.

It’s just a darn shame that it all didn’t get to pay off.

Ah well. We’re off the see the Wizards.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 2, 2010 1:46 AM PST reply actions  

I have to agree regarding Roy

Camby looked like he had a big bump just below his knee, I think it’s just a bruise

by Billy Hoyle on Dec 2, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

the best part of the recap

“How about easing up so you don’t sound like some guy in a bar watching his third game ever?”

Resident Smartass.

by Devyn on Dec 2, 2010 1:47 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

So true …

Yet it almost fits the team, what with the histrionics of KG, Paul Pierce’s habit of whining like a spoiled kid, and Doc Rivers putting on a constant referee-aimed floor show, complete with demonstrative moves like a really angry backup singer from the Four Tops.

Make that an extra round of dignity on the house for everyone, bartender.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 2, 2010 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

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by Y5k on Dec 2, 2010 4:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Tommy Heinsohn is the worst announcer I have ever heard in any sport.

I spent three-plus years in Boston so I ended up watching more than my fair share (i.e., any number greater than 0) of Celtics games. There is no adjective in the English language strong enough to describe how bad he is as an announcer. “Execrable” is close but even that doesn’t quite cover it.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 2, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that guy was driving me nuts

He might know a lot about basketball — after all, he was a pretty good player. But the job of the analyst is to explain why a play did or did not work, or what a player did in a certain situation. He is supposed to point out something that us laypeople might not see.

Heinsohn doesn’t do that.

I don’t care that he is a homer — that really doesn’t bother me. But you still have to do your job.

BTW, did anybody catch Kevin McHale noting that according to Heinsohn, no Celtic has ever committed a foul? Oh the irony: McHale was one of the biggest whiners in the league when he was playing. He never admitted to fouling someone either.

by hercher on Dec 2, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

He's the one guy who makes Mike Rice look good, which is saying something.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Then you should know how beloved Tommy H is around Beantown...

Sure, he’s a homer… Makes Mike and Mike look impartial… But he’s been announcing for over 20 years, I’m pretty sure.. So he’s got to be doing what the team and fans want, right? Don’t forget, Boston hoops fans were raised on the HoF radio announcer Johnny Most, probably the biggest homer announcer ever…

Boston’s different from other towns… The nickname for the city is “The Hub”… And they mean “the Hub of the Universe”… A majority of people in Boston think the world ends at the 495 loop (circles Boston about 40 miles out). Seriously! When I moved to Or-E-gone, people back home just couldn’t understand it… They still think we take the wagon train to work out here…

And that’s not even talking about the Sawx… Boston fans are passionate, and absolutely think the world begins and ends with their team. They expect a championship every year, from every team… Listen to Boston talk radio sometime in the middle of a Red Sox slump… it’s hysterical!

In short: Tommy is one of the best homers in a city that loves their sports teams like no other…

Sure, it doesn’t translate well to other listeners… But folks in the Hub couldn’t care less…

by Visionary2 on Dec 2, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Boston sports fans. UGH.

Patriots and Bruins fans are legit for the most part. They follow the whole sport, not just their teams, and aren’t utterly obnoxious. The core of Sox fans that will follow their team through hill and dale are the same way…they’re just obscured by the massive quantities of bandwagon jumpers and incredibly annoying teenyboppers sporting Pedroia jerseys. I have no respect for Celtics fans. None. NOBODY followed that team or gave a damn about it before Ainge landed Garnett and Allen, then all of a sudden Celtics gear is everywhere and pimply, sallow-faced Southie bros are woofing about championships. Spare me.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 2, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

the W.A.I.L. effect was

PATHETIC and ANNOYING and … childish, I think. Plus, it was all in that awful “no-Rs” Boston accent.

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by Y5k on Dec 2, 2010 4:35 AM PST reply actions  

I had forgotten how terrible the Boston announcers were.

It was so bad it was funny….

I am surrounded by Laker fans. And Raider fans. What is wrong with all these people?

by RenoBlazerFan on Dec 2, 2010 6:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave is seeing something completely different wrt Roy's defense

Roy isn’t perfect – but he has hardly been a glaring weakness – and last night was no different.

Neither Marquis Daniels nor Ray Allen had good nights. Pierce was guarded by others most of the night and torched everybody from outside and nobody from inside (only one made basket in the paint in the 2nd half).

Just not seeing where Roy is this big defensive liability.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 2, 2010 4:56 AM PST reply actions  

Because Roy is being hidden on lesser talents

Ray Allen is a shooter who doesn’t break guys down off the dribble. As a shooter, he is prone to streakiness. He was just off last night.

Marquis Daniels is not a great offensive player, regardless of who’s guarding him.

by hercher on Dec 2, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

This is totally correct, for Brandon Roy is passable against spot-up shooters and lesser players; ...

however, he’s pretty bad against the quicker, more talented wings throughout the NBA. That’s the exact reason I’ve been so consistently vocal about wanting to surround Roy with defensive stalwarts at the 3 (e.g., Andre Iguodala) and the 1 (i.e., Kirk Hinrich).

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

His close-outs to 3-pt shooters are painful to watch...

I will admit that he did seem to play with more passion/energy/fire last night, especially on the D end. It was one of his better D games, I thought.. But that isn’t really saying much… He just doesn’t have that explosive first step anymore, and you need it on D as much or more than you need it on O. In past years, it seemed that he was just not interested in playing D, and/or was continually conserving his energy on the D end so he could dominate the for 24 secs on the O end… Last night, it at least looked like he tried… But his lack of quick lateral movement means that Brandon is a very below average defender…

One more thing: why, oh why when the Blazers close out to a 3-point shooter up top, WHY don’t they just run past, and try to create a fast break in response? Drives me nuts… Last night, Rudy took the “one big step, now I’ll put my hand up close to you but not close enough to disrupt your shot” D – doing the Portland on the D end, if you will… I suspect it’s because Nate is constantly preaching “stay together” on D, and probably berates a guy for doing this… but geesh – once in a while, RUN at the guy shooting the 3, and then just keep running down to the O end… once or twice?? pretty please?? especially a guy like Rudy… (sigh… patience…)

by Visionary2 on Dec 2, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep...

Defense is a balance of talent, effort, smarts, and team work. The scale tips a bit more towards effort on defense than it does on offense. You can be a “stopper” without being the world’s greatest athlete as long as you are athletic and/or long and/or strong “enough” for your respective position(s), have the heart of a lion so you never back down from a challenge, and conditioning that allows you to never get tired.

Roy never really had the “fire” on defense even when healthy. He was never really the most athletic guy even when 100%. Now that he’s chronically injured and playing in pain, his athleticism & effort are most definitely going to be at a lower level. I’m sure that from time to time we will see spurts of effort from him as he is able to “play through the pain” occasionally. But, being able to put out a consistent effort defensively simply won’t be possible for him on a nightly basis. Playing in pain is very, very difficult to do. Given the pain he must be feeling in his knees even with the assistance of meds, I’ll be very surprised to see him finish the season.

by mjswoosh on Dec 3, 2010 4:39 AM PST up reply actions  

CAMBY, STOP SHOOTING

Can someone with a hoopdata subscription find out the last time Camby hit a shot outside the key?

Big Baby showed why it’s important for the role players to hit down open shots. Every defense gives up something, its the role players job to make the defense pay for that weakness. Camby, Dante, Batum, they aren’t doing that.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Dec 2, 2010 6:10 AM PST reply actions  

He hasn't been hitting them lately, true, but normally he does.

I’m not a big fan of centers and power forwards taking outside jumpers. I’d rather have them in or near the paint where they can grab rebounds and make putbacks.

by MiledAnimal on Dec 2, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

This season

he is 13 for 46 beyond 10 feet. That’s 28% on the season. He’s been taking mostly open shots, albeit early in the shotclock too often, he HAS to figure out how to make those shots. The season’s already 20% over.

Furthermore, his ‘at the rim’ and < 10 ft rating is only just above 50% – in 08-09 he was 15% better.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Dec 2, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Old age?

Or is it just part of the team’s collective outside jumper snapping a patella?

by MiledAnimal on Dec 2, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Camby is down across the board

A well-respected basketball person said to me: “His shot selection disappeared the second he signed his new deal”

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Dec 2, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

you'd have to play a lot of zone defense

with a lineup of Miller-Roy-Rudy-Matthews-LMA

and rebounds would be hard to come by

it’s a “we’re down by 16 and need to do something fast” kind of lineup

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by two4larue on Dec 2, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I give them credit for fighting back when Boston went to sleep

I give Nate credit for trying some different things

I’m still not very optimistic about the rest of this season. The body language was pretty horrible after the loss. They need a win at Washington in a bad way or I expect some implosion.

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 2, 2010 6:57 AM PST reply actions  

Unfortunately, they'll probably win, "salvaging" the road trip, and making it a "good flight home"...

that always seems so important to Mike and Mike… Once again masking the issues, and reducing the likelihood of somebody taking a good hard look at the total package out on the floor…

(Please note: I’m not rooting for a loss… really… But I do hope for change, and sometimes.. you have to reach rock-bottom before you change…) I am rooting for change…

by Visionary2 on Dec 2, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

M&M has been fine

with regards to characterizing this team. In particular, I liked Rice’s admonishment of the Blazer offense at the end of the 3rd; beginning of the fourth – where he was lamenting the fact that the offense is one or two player centric, designed to get particular guys a shot in specific sets (as opposed to getting all five guys involved as options in the offense with everyone taking responsibility for scoring).

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Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 2, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Good fight and hustle at the end

but it was more about Boston losing focus after that big lead.

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Dec 2, 2010 7:56 AM PST reply actions  

Mills Playing over Johnson

Just solidifies the bayless trade was a mistake. Every well coached team we’ve played this year has taken it right at Roy every chance they’ve gotten, and hurt us. I can’t beleive Marks beat out three other guys. I like Cunningham but QUIT REACHING! That sliding three pointer Rudy shot in the 4th quarter should land him on the bench for a month. Again nothing but jumpsuits in the 4th. It’s been said a lot that we overvalue our players but what the organization has done consistently is undervalue the coach. We need a coach’s coach, not a star player’s coach.

by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Dec 2, 2010 7:59 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

The Jerryd Bayless trade was perfectly fine.

With the first-round pick Portland is owed from New Orleans in the 2011 NBA Draft, the front office should select a good stylistic fit at the 1, Nolan Smith, who’s getting overlooked at Duke due to standout freshman Kyrie Irving. Don’t be fooled, though, for Smith is an outstanding four-year college player and will make an immediate impact upon joining the NBA, with Darren Collison being a good comparison regarding career arc.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm very mixed on the Bayless trade.

My thinking is that if the current season is to be salvaged in any way, we could use his scoring punch in the 4th qtr.

However, if the team is truly going to blow things up as I feel they need to do, then collecting draft picks is the right move.

On a side note, if Cho had advance knowledge of how bad Roy’s condition truly is, it does offer some interesting wrinkles into the situation and could be interpreted a couple ways. If Cho knew Roy was going to degrade quickly, the Bayless trade might have been Cho’s first move at essentially blowing things up and starting the draft pick collection early. It’s probably more likely that Cho assumed Roy would be fine and didn’t know that dealing Rex would be missed. But it does make you wonder.

by mjswoosh on Dec 3, 2010 4:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I've seen that movie before.....

It starts with Ray Allen playing like crap through most of the game and then hitting the 3 pointer FTW….. Have you ever experience deja vu??

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Dec 2, 2010 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

Well...

Every Boston player seemed to have 6 inches and 40 pounds on their counterparts.

Yeah, perhaps because they have Big Baby and Shaq-fu.


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by RedUniInLA on Dec 2, 2010 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

Boston announcers definitely one-upped Chicago’s. At least the Mikes admit when the Blazers get away with one. The Boston announcers think KG is a frekin saint or something.

by Escrote on Dec 2, 2010 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

He brought them a championship!

Around Beantown, that’s all you need to do to qualify for sainthood… (lots of Catholics, they create saints daily… and then tear them down into bums a little later…)

by Visionary2 on Dec 2, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Cho is aweful quiet

 Haven’t heard a word from Cho lately. I know he is a patient man but I think he is ready to hear from possible trade partners that he may have passed on before.

by Idahoblazerfan on Dec 2, 2010 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

Well, the Blazers looked more like a real NBA team in this game than they have in some time, and keep in mind this is the game they should not have won, so you can’t be too disappointed in their performance here.

I thought Mills did a decent job considering, I think this is his first time into the rotation(?), against what is one of the top two or three teams in the league.

by LanceS on Dec 2, 2010 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

“Again nothing but jumpsuits in the 4th.”

We’re back to the jailblazer era, eh?

by LanceS on Dec 2, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

Something in the future is turning this team around.

Could be a trade. Could be returns from injury. Could be a playoff push into the 2nd round. I’m waiting it out, even if this season has been uncomfortable to watch. Actually, the first six games were great. It looked like we were going to have a very capable team night in and night out. But then Roy’s knees, and then Oden’s knee, and then a few more injuries to various other players throughout. Suddenly guys like Roy and Batum vanished. Camby doesn’t look like he’s going to make it through an 82 game season. Rudy is garbage.

Something has to give sooner or later.

by CoryBauer on Dec 2, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

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