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Trade Drawer - Use Until Gone

Well, I expect to see a million of these soon, so might as well make one now.

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The State Right Now

I have seen a few reactions after the last loss saying, "We might as well tank now." I think that's a little extreme. But something has to be done. And I think the firing of the coach is not going to help. Because I'm beginning to believe that our players are spiraling into some kind of depressive episode. And with last season's injury rush, plus this season's, plus Coach Lucas dying, it has made for a very bad situation that no coach will be able to undo. 

I think the best thing that can happen is a fresh start for some of our players. On another team, they no longer have to worry about the woes of the Portland Trailblazers, and can florish. Sure, later on, we'll wish we had them. We'll second guess ourselves, saying "We just did a Jermaine O'Neil all over again!" But I think giving these players a fresh start will be good for them. And bringing fresh players in will be good for us. 

But as good as it might be. I don't want it to happen. I have followed these players for as long as they have been Blazers. And I love them. I want them all to stay and succeed. But that may not be possible. So this might be a better alternative. 

Right now, the Blazers have a problem. Both players we were counting on to be stars are injured. And both may never end up being enough to make this team into contenders any longer. Those two players, of course, are Brandon Roy and Greg Oden.

But here's the thing. Roy is still a very good basketball player. And benching him in favor of Nicolas Batum at this point (which many are arguing for) means that there is no championship window. It may be better for the team, but in reality, all it does is verify that we're not going anywhere. So, if Roy is to benched, before that, we should just cut our losses completely and trade him. 

Oh sure, trade a Base-Year-Compensation, max salary, injured, less athletic Brandon Roy. For who pray tell?

First Trade with Denver

Trade Roy for Carmelo Anthony, even without a contract extension. But there is an additional cost to the Blazers. We have one contract that makes this trade work. And only one. Joel Przybilla's. 

Because of the BYC Status, only half of Roy's salary counts for going out, but the whole thing counts for going in. Salaries, for teams over the salary cap, must be within 125% +$100,000. Roy's $13.6 million only counts as $6.8 million outgoing for us. Joel is set to make about 7.4 Million. Anthony's contract is about $17.1 Million. So outgoing, Roy + Przybilla is 14.2 million, which is 120.4%. Denver's incoming counts as $21 million, which is 122.8%. So there is almost no margin for error.

So then let's get to the why. Why would Portland want to take a flyer on Carmelo Anthony, when at the end of the 2011-2012 season, he's almost assuredly going to New York? Two reasons, Talented player in return for Roy with a short contract length. We're not stuck with 'Melo for five seasons in case things really go south with him here. And perhaps, with the next trade, we may have a big enough three to keep him, but that's later.

But is that flyer worth trading away Przybilla for? Oof. That's a tough one. Especially without seeing what he can do on the court. Especially how short we are of true centers. Especially how much he meant to our team when he was out there. It would really hurt to give that away. That is, if he's able to bring that to the table. After everything that has happened, assuming the worst seems to be the best bet for injured Blazers at the moment.

But back to Anthony. If we're able to keep him, and want to, great! If not, this move and the next puts us under the salary cap for 2012. Maybe not by a ton. But if the 2011-2012 season gets locked out, The summer of 2012 may possibly have two free agent classes in it. 

So, why does Denver do this trade? Do you really think anyone will offer them more for Anthony? Even if Roy isn't the player he used to be, he's still a very good player. The biggest question will be whether Denver wants to take the luxury tax hit or not. They take in $3.9 million more in salary than they send out, costing them $7.8 million with luxury tax included. Is that worth it to get something of value for a disgruntled star? I don't know.

But this is the first trade. There is a second.

Second Trade with Philadelphia

Because there is a second star player who has been rumored to be on the available side. The Philadelphia 76ers may be looking to part with Andre Iguodala and his 4 year, $51 million contract in order to go into full rebuilding mode. 

And we have a that other player who has shown a lot of talent, but also a lot of injuries. Greg Oden. But Philadelphia isn't going to just trade their star player for a guy who has only played 82 games in four seasons. Intrigued by the potential? Sure. But not so much so that they give away talent for that possibility. 

And here is where Portland has to hurt a little. We do have a player, at a low salary, whom a lot of teams are interested in. So much interest has been shown, that Portland has started considering him a bright spot of the future. And Nicolas Batum may very well turn into a great player. But it is still potential right now. On the floor, he can be solid, but a tad streaky, which is to be expected at his age. But that is the kind of player Philadelphia would be very interested in.

So here it is: Nicolas Batum, Greg Oden and Luke Babbitt (in order to match up salaries) to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala.

Why? Because Andre Iguodala isn't potential. He's a solid player. Not enough to carry a team on his own. But enough to be a good number two player to Carmelo Anthony. A good defender to boot. The outside shot may be a weakness though. 

Is it worth the cost of Batum and Oden? Depends. It's all in how one reads the risk/reward ratios. With Oden, it is definitely high risk/high reward. With Batum, the risk is not nearly so high. And the reward may be nearly as high with Oden. But picking up Iggy takes the risk out of the equation for the Blazers. And he replaces the traded Roy at the two.

But is that enough for Philadelphia? There may be better offers out there for Andre Iguodala. But what this does do for them is make it so that if they decline all of their team options, they go into the summer of 2012 with only Elton Brand (No way he turns down his $18 million player option) Louis Williams (If he doesn't decide to exercise his player option) and drafted 1st round picks. They'll probably keep more than that, but salary cap space may be very attractive in the new CBA.

Overall Picture:

Brandon Roy and Joel Przybilla to Denver for Carmelo Anthony

Nicolas Batum, Greg Oden and Luke Babbitt to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala

Lineup

PG Andre Miller

SG Andre Iguodala

SF Carmelo Anthony

PF LaMarcus Aldridge

C Marcus Camby

Bench - The same players we've seen all season. Johnson, Fernandez, Matthews, Cunningham, Marks, Mills

Conclusion

So the question becomes, "Is that an upgrade or not." We still have some glaring problems. We still have no one to cover the center position when Camby is out. We still have no upgrade at PG or backup PG. We have actually hurt our outside shooting, if that were possible. This is not a group that will be great defensively. And is this a group that can compete for a championship? Probably not. 

But it does do some things. The two players coming in know how to play with Andre Miller. We get a couple of players who can attack the basket. Aldridge doesn't have to be our number one option on the floor any more. The waiting game ends, at least somewhat. And we get a fresh player perspective, one that isn't quite as plagued by the two year injury spiral of death. We stay competitive. And in two years, if we can't keep Anthony, we have some cap space, potentially.

We would also still have the trade exception from the Bayless trade. And we might be able to use that to help a team looking for luxury tax relief. We also have New Orleans' first round pick plus our own, which can also be used to get more help for our bench, either by using them or trading them.

I still love all these players. I want them all to stay and do well. And I hope it still happens. But something has to happen. And maybe it's not until something like this happens that we get out of our funk.

Poll
Does these trades work?
Yes, each part gets what it is looking for.
20 votes
No, Portland gives up too much
23 votes
No, Denver gives up too much
13 votes
No, Philadelphia gives up too much
3 votes
The Ubiquitous Other
14 votes

73 votes | Poll has closed

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Looks great for Portland honestly

But I don’t know if it’s solid enough. And defenders would just clog the lane because none of our theoretical starters have a consistent 3 ball. Iggy is currently the best, but he’s generally not considered a 3 point threat. And Denver would never do it, I think they’d rather let Melo walk than take on Roy’s contract for 5 years.

Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers

by gtbassett on Dec 1, 2010 1:02 AM PST reply actions  

Its strange cause it does make us better but

I don’t see Denver wanting to do this. They are asking for young talent and draft picks which the Nets have previously offered. Favors, a lottery pick plus fillers seems more appealing to them than Roy plus fillers considering the state of Roy’s knees. If Brandon can’t ‘re-invent’ his game than no team will want to take that chance on him. To me I would trade him even if he starts to look better cause he’ll never be better than a 22pt, 4reb, 4ast guy that can’t defend. He’ll always force the team to play a slow pace and we’d always worry about his durability. If only we could have gone back to the Oden draft and taken KD, kept Roy and KD together for a year then traded Brandon for a Center or PG.
I don’t feel comfortable that Melo would sign an extention with us though, if we had at least a 50/50 chnace then trading for him makes sense. We’d still need to find better shooters to spread the floor though and they are surprisingly hard to find, Rudy and Wes just cut it. I guess in the end, I’d do it. Doubt Denver would though.

by VinnyB on Dec 1, 2010 1:06 AM PST reply actions  

TANK NOW...

Cash in on frenchie for a 2012 unprotected first rounder of boston, or Orlando.. shoot even Miami (only becuase those are the teams that “would” give it to us, and if they blow the next season that could be a nice pick shoot big if you blow big, and we blow big time)
shelf Roy, move miller and Andre.

This window has closed. Again.

The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2010 5:52 AM PST reply actions  

i hate your trade tdarkstar

Denver would be …. ill to do it.

Any team moving their star for Greg Oden and it not working out….. lol is firing it’s GM the following season.

(+i’m sick in the head and still cling to a prayer that Oden can be the Oden I once thought Oden could have been)

The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.

by faith on Dec 1, 2010 5:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Trade idea here

Look to acquire Antoine Walker and Penny Hardaway. Proven champion pedigrees. May be a band aide patch to some degree. Though these two moves bring a very cheap price tag for what they can offer in terms of experience, leadership, and the potential that one of them may actually surprise us on the court, if not both. The exception we will get for Oden will free us a position. Next, Look to Move Brandon Roy, Rudy fernandez, and Patty Mills to New Jersey. In return we get one of New Jersey’s young talents in Favors or Harris and what remains it to get the salaries to work. You could also look to incorporate a third team to enhance your player options.

by Chea Cubana on Dec 1, 2010 8:16 AM PST reply actions  

If we're looking for a complete blowup/rebuild

Here’s the first trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=33nsdsh
We trade: Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge
Indiana trades: TJ Ford, Mike Dunleavy and Jeff Foster

Indiana Receives: BRoy and LMA
We Receive TJ FordEC and Jeff FosterEC
Sacramento Receives: Mike Dunleavy

We do this because we’re looking to shed those terribly expensive long term contracts
Indiana does this because they would be pretty damn beastly with a lineup of Collison, Roy, Granger, LMA, and Hibbert
Sacramento does it because they need some reliable wing scorer.

Then here’s the rest: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=35n8ald
Trade Marcus Camby to OKC
Trade Greg Oden and Joel Pryzbilla to Toronto
We get Jeff Green, Nenad Kristic, and Peja

So then we turn everybody old or with a bad lengthy contract into an expiring contract, just in time for the new CBA and a fresh start.

I hate mediocrity, so yes I am serious, I would rather suck really hard and still have hope than be mediocre.

Nicolas Batum is the future of the Blazers

by gtbassett on Dec 1, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

That is just ridiculous

I believe in Greg Oden. I believe in Brandon Roy, too.

by MadBlaze on Dec 1, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

i like the trade with philly

oden is bunk, babbitt will most likely be bunk, and batum will not be any good with nate mcmillan as his coach. rather get something out of his “potential” than let him continue to underperform and be less of a value. Not sure about the denver trade. Not because of Broy, because of Joel. I love Joel! He is the best player we have when he is on the court! Plus that would only leave us with camby manning the center spot so we would be basically the same now with all the injuries. melo is 100 times better than roy right now and igoudala is good enough to give up on batum.

Denver never does this trade, philly probably will but we will never know because we have a 16 year old D&D nerd running the team.

FIRE NATE AND BLOW UP THE TEAM! (Save Aldridge and Matthews)

by easythere73 on Dec 1, 2010 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

Lol@d&d reference

OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!

by TyboOSU on Dec 1, 2010 12:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh boy! A trade drawer!

Actually, I never read trade posts but I’m gonna rec this puppy. Maybe it’ll float to the top instead of being pushed below the horizon before the day ends.

Wiggada Wiggada Zers!

by Corvid on Dec 1, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

That's okay. I hate thinking about them.

But it was bugging me, so I had to write it out. And since it was written, I thought I might as well post it. I hope it never happens and we get out of our rut with the players we have.

"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940

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by T Darkstar on Dec 1, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Denver doesnt make trade.

Philly prolly tho…batum…hrmmmm..

But if we just got andre2 that doesnt do much long term….

Trade deadline this yr gonna be intersting for blazers

OSU '06
Trade for Gerald Wallace!!

by TyboOSU on Dec 1, 2010 12:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Truly sad that we are at this point!

That this doesn’t generate outrage anymore… my fear is I don’t think anyone would take Roy off our hands right now. But if they could pull this off i would do the Carmelo part and insert wesley in at the 2,a nd see if we could find some more bench parts.

by Dustinsdad on Dec 1, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

Roy's contract is easily in the Top 5 "Most Untradeable" in the league. Oden will be available to the highest bidder soon & has no trade value whatsoever.

No way in hell anyone takes on Roy’s 5 yr contract or bothers trading anything for Oden. If they do, it’s only because the owner hates the GM and “encourages” one of these moves as an excuse to fire him.

by mjswoosh on Dec 2, 2010 2:04 AM PST reply actions  

By far our most valuable, tradeable assets are 1) Batum 2) Camby 3) Pryz (and his exp contract) 4) Miller.

The only way we can realistically acquire any talent via trade is by moving one or all of these pieces.

As recently as a week ago I was still firmly in the “You will take Batum over my dead body” camp. Now, I’m pretty much resigned to the fact that if Cho wants to make anything happen in terms of bringing an All-Star to Portland, Nic will almost assuredly have to be in the deal.

by mjswoosh on Dec 2, 2010 2:07 AM PST reply actions  

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