Early Press Conference Recap
by Dave on Nov 17, 2010 10:23 PM PST
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PrintMore analysis of tonight's press conference is forthcoming from Ben Golliver shortly. I'll have some big-picture discussion once the dust has settled. But for those who want the quick, nitty-gritty from the proceedings here are a couple of main points:
- Greg Oden apparently injured his knee during a routine pre-game workout against Joel Przybilla prior to the Blazers-Lakers game last Sunday. The workout was standard fare between Przybilla and Oden, described as a "hard workout" but par for the course as their recovery neared completion. Blazers Trainer Jay Jensen was not present during the workout but other team officials were.
- Oden sat on Portland's bench during Sunday's game and felt no pain or swelling.
- The first indication of trouble came Monday during Maurice Lucas' funeral when swelling became evident.
- Oden's knee was drained on Tuesday after which swelling continued. At that time an MRI was ordered which revealed the problem, described by Jensen as an "Articular Cartilage issue" or "a 9-iron divot of grass" hole in Oden's cartilage.
- Coach Nate McMillan has not yet addressed the players but will do so tomorrow.
- Most of the press conference discussion was medical. Jensen spoke at length, McMillan contributed. General Manager Rich Cho was quiet during most of the proceedings.
More to come.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Well, I enjoyed the run while it lasted
I only want one championship during my lifetime. It looks like the 2010 Ducks are my best bet now. This is kind of amazing though. 1st pick in a draft and we have 82 games to show for it, and not even 82 in the same season. I hope Oden is getting his dental school applications ready and is preparing to go back to school. If Oden reads this and needs a latin or chinese tutor, I’m your man, Greg!
fat jesus lives.
Oden will still have a career
It may not be spectacular, but I bet he at least puts up 8 and 6 as a backup over the next 5-10 years somewhere. A bust, yeah, but still a decent a lucrative NBA career.
don't mistake this for an educated guess
It may not be spectacular, but I bet he at least puts up 8 and 6 as a backup over the next 5-10 years somewhere. A bust, yeah, but still a decent a lucrative NBA career.
Oden has been delayed – not destroyed. Oden has been unusually fragile, so the bet is that if he can play – he will be whatever he woulda been regardless. If he can’t play, he can’t play.
People are going to arbitrarily project Greg’s future performance – but microfracture hasn’t proven to be a debilitating injury causing reduced production. Don’t mistake injury for lack of ability.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 17, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not ready to give up on him but...
I wonder even when he recovers how his cartilage will hold up considering it seems to get destroyed so easily. Poor guy.
I'm typing this here because I became jealous of everyone else with signatures in their posts.
Qualifying offer?
I’m reading about Portland having to decide to match the qualifying offer next summer to keep Oden. Does that mean somebody’s already made an offer, or that somebody will definitely make one?
http://twitter.com/JacobPennison
by IsWesleyMatthewsForReal? on Nov 17, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions
most likely,
we will let the market decide his value. If someone makes an offoer, we will most likely match it, and keep him, most likely….
(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.
--- Woodrow Wilson
I disagree. I think its very unlikely we tender the qualifying offer, which is nearly 9 million dollars, but we’ll see.
long twos FTL
Where does the 9 million come from?
http://twitter.com/JacobPennison
by IsWesleyMatthewsForReal? on Nov 17, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
no, the qualifying offer must be made in order for the team to have the right to match any offer this offseason. Assuming the rules stay the same after the potential lockout, deciding not to tender the Q. offer would make Greg an unrestricted free agent (free to sign with anyone) whereas the Blazers could match any offer if they keep him on the roster and tender the QO in the offseason.
long twos FTL
oh yeah,
Im tired….
(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.
--- Woodrow Wilson
Greg will be a free agent...
and Blazers are the most likely team to sign him. He could choose to go somewhere else, but I think he feels loyalty to the club. He could get a better offer from another club, but what other team is going to be willing to risk more than the Blazers? We have more invested than any other team. That doesn’t mean we’ll be willing to outbid others, it means the bidding will be modest and we will be there with a fair offer. We’ll have to see how it all shakes out, but that’s what I expect.
The Blazers won't make the Qualifying Offer because if they do Oden would take it.
Option 1 – The Blazers make the Qualifying Offer ($8.8M), but Oden will certainly sign it because he would be well paid next year ($8.8M for a rehab/lockout year), and he becomes an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2012 (19 months after his MF surgery) when his value will be higher.
Option 2 – The Blazers make the Qualifying Offer and Oden refuses it so he becomes a restricted free agent this next summer when his value is at an all-time low. It would be totally stupid for Oden to do this. He becomes a restricted free agent when his value is at an all-time low.
Option 3 – The Blazers don’t make the Qualifying Offer and so Oden becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer when his value is at an all-time low. That means all 30 teams can take a gamble on Oden with low ball offers. The Blazers don’t have a right to match, but they the opportunity to beat other low ball offers and hope Oden wants to stay (perhaps out of loyalty for only playing 82 gams in 4 years).
So making the Qualifying Offer is dumb for the Blazers to do because Oden can take it (Option 1) and it would be dumb for him not to (Option 2). Therefore, Option 3 – no Qualifying Offer is the obvious outcome.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 17, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
agreed. The question is what you do once you decide you won’t tender the QO— do you keep him around hoping it’ll help convince him to sign with us as an UFA for low guaranteed money, do you trade him as an expiring contract, or do you just cut him?
long twos FTL
You keep him on the roster
And wait and see what happens.
My personal view is that he takes whatever the Cavs offer, and starts over.
But there are many ways this can play out, and I don’t Cho will be rash.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 17, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
The decision to make or not make the QO doesn't have to be made until June 30.
So Greg will remain a Blazer, rehabbing all season. Then if I’m correct, they will not make the QO and he will become an unrestricted free agent. The Blazers will then have to decide how much the want to risk to re-sign him this summer (or when the lock out ends – because it would start on July 1). Then they have to convince him to take our offer over others, but hopefully he will have some loyalty and take our offer if it is competitive.
The big question is really going to be how much money/years would the Blazers risk to re-sign him? I’ve been a huge supporter of Greg’s and I’ve previously suggested the Blazers should do whatever it takes to keep him. But it’s now time to face the facts. It no longer an issue of how long it takes Greg to recover from injuries, but rather how long to the next injury? The last two injuries, which are going to cost him at least 2 years of not playing at all, plus another year of “getting back”, have resulted from no contact at all, as did his first MF injury. We can now drop the “Greg isn’t injury prone talk”. He is officially injury prone now. And after two successive complete years of not playing, will he ever be the same again?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 17, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
June 30 is quite a ways away
so we can’t be entirely sure they wouldn’t make the QO, if his rehab is going well. A healthy GO is definitely worth it. It might be less likely than letting him become a UFA, but it’s still within the realm of possibility
by Billy Hoyle on Nov 18, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
well, this totally sucks.....
….. I’m numb……
Get well, Greg.
Poop.
by 1ofthe7 on Nov 17, 2010 10:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Here was my initial take-away
this is similar injury as to the right knee in ’07. There was no direct incident that caused the swelling (there were no reports of missteps during that L*A workout) but a similar defect was found this week as they found back then
the m/f surgery was successful back then, Greg spent a year rehabbing and the right knee has been fine for 3 years (no reports of swelling, fluids drained, etc)
There’s no guarantee that Oden won’t be hurt again in the future, but if we use the right knee m/f as an indicator of the left, I expect him to be ready to resume BB activity again in 12 months. Where the league is at that time re: the lockout, and what happens re: Greg’s contract status can’t be answered, tonight. But there’s no reason to shovel dirt on Oden’s NBA career.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
........
SURGERY to BOTH knees. walks funny. has a limp. 3 seasons, played 82 games. only averaged what per game? needs orthopedics in his shoe busted hip at a point in his career…
MY GRANDFATHER HASN’T HAD THAT MUCH AILMENTS IN HIS 85 YEARS.
now lets talk about Greg odens career and shoveling dirt on it again please..
Its over 24larue. o.v.e.r.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
its not QUITE as bad,
but that big redhead had a tollerably simmalar start to his NBA carrer. Lost of injuries, I was actually suprised at just how many… theres still hope… not much, but if you look real close, its there….
(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.
--- Woodrow Wilson
only diffrence is. those people at that time, they had their championship... we may never get ours.
hope?… rises!!…. right now?……….I’m just fine leaving it where it lay.
dead.
….
Talk to me tomorow about hope, becuase our championship window is no more.
We are no better than Drexler and company and they were unable to beat a jugernaught that was … and lets just remember that back east today… there’s a jugernaught.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
When Walton was injured repeatedly, in 1974-1976
there was no championship. There was the hope of a good young team becoming a playoff contender, but Bill suffered various injures to his feet. The fans turned on him (partly because of his long hair and politics) and I’m starting to see that same kind of discontent re: Oden the last 12 months. It’s sad, because wasn’t Bill’s fault then anymore than it’s Greg’s fault now
There was a SI article about Walton that I could pull from their archives where an NBA expert predicted that Bill would never have a successful NBA career because of his body. That was back in 1976. I’m not selling false hope, I’ve seen a young center come back from injuries and lead the Blazers to a championship during my lifetime. I can’t promise that Oden’s misfortune will lead to a happy result like Walton’s did, in a Portland uniform. But Greg’s NBA career is not over, it’s just back on hold for 12 months
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
1 year of injuries before the dream happening does not equate to 4 seasons and 82 games played,
Sure Greg will be able to suit up and bound down the court, but he is not ever going to be the once in a lifetime most dominant center in the nba….EVER!!
that is what is true. There is no physical possiblity that he will ever exceed even the tamest expectations that WERE expected of him.
None. This Dream is over.
Without Oden, and roy, who’s news is coming you just wait, not to mention Nics… who will be needing shoulder surgery again…. This Championship window closed before it ever really opened.
And it’s back to the drawing board with us… however soon we’re ready to admit it.
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
keep the faith
and spare me the drama
Greg is the same age now as Walton was when he was drafted. Walton was a once-in-a-lifetime dominant center in the NBA for less than 18 months
Here’s a quote from that 1975 SI article that I mentioned this AM
Treatments may have helped his ankle, but certain obstacles stand in the way of his regaining the promise of his preseason days. For one thing it is questionable whether the team that has come to regard him as a cornflake can rally round him again.
And there is also the problem of his weight. He came back gaunt as a refugee and having lost virtually all his stamina. “His legs are so skinny they’re turning blue,” says Wicks. Other teammates kid him pointedly about what he eats, and his diet has become a matter of concern to Wilkens. “By not eating meat or fish Bill loses the main source of bulk which is essential for a big man in this game because bulk builds strength,” he says. “I know Bill gets enough vitamins but I’ll have to watch his progress to see if the lack of bulk hurts him. If it does it is definitely in my power to demand a change of diet. It’s the same as a player coming in overweight, only in reverse.”
The Blazers have greeted Walton’s return with a wait-and-see attitude. Said Petrie: “Certainly Bill can fit into this team. But I think he has to earn the respect of the team first. And I don’t think it will be easy. He has to mold himself with this club. He has to make himself stronger. I think he has to make some compromises.”
Some who have witnessed the season thus far doubt that he can make it. A man who has dealt with him throughout his career said, before Walton had started to play again, “All things considered, I think he’s gone too far to function in the NBA again.”
The more things change, the more they stay the same
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Stoicism
seems to be the logical course of inaction, as we are merely observing this madness, and not actually experiencing it.
But what do I know?
I hate stoicism
But you’re right. Dammit.
Something random will come along, and we can enjoy it then. Say, for example….the firing of John Canzano.
Greg's knee implodes.
Canzano leaves town.
There is no peace, but there is balance,
Breathe, and feel the luxuriance of true equilibrium.
by damonrayhymer on Nov 18, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
I just came home from a night on the town to this?
I have such a heartache right now.
Get Well Big Guy.
I’ll still be waiting to give you a standing O for your first game back. If not for basketball, at least for getting through these tough years.
Heart is in my boots. No Words.
With regards to the Blazers..."Now if you want to crown them, then crown their ass! But they are who we thought they were! And we let 'em off the hook!"
Damn.
Are we gonna do that “Oden Minutes” thing again?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
how much healthier can you get!?
The Faith don't panic, the Faith freaks out, burns out small farms and villages in the name of the Faith.
When Oden played he was so tough for other teams to handle
He destroyed more then a few big men in the games he played. I will badly miss the hope of what this could have meant for us.
For memories sake...Oden tearing up the Boston Celtics
That just
makes me very depressed :( If only….
We should have drafted Durant
by Captain Hindsight on Nov 17, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Before this most recent injury, everyone was saying it was still slightly too early to label Greg as “injury prone.” Well, hate to say it, but he’s now officially earned that label. I hope the Blazers cut their losses and let him walk. I feel bad for the guy, but we can’t invest any more of our future in a player that has so much risk.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
A couple things.
I don’t curse at all, but we need a 24 hour grace period to allow swearing, it’s warranted, and I officially need to change my name that I have had for the last few years.
by Titlein2011 on Nov 17, 2010 11:11 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I wonder how long
’til Wesley Matthews has a severe knee injury…
Will Wesley's injury somehow be the training staffs fault also?
It’s hard with the rash of bad news this past week, but we have to find a way to enjoy this team and not be convinced that the grim reaper lies behind every corner.
Rockets fan here
I feel for you guys with us having a lot of problems with Yao and am shocked to hear the news on Oden. I wish him a good recovery and am sorry for your loss.
It was horrible to see him go down against us. You guys have a very bright future and I am sure we will see you guys in the playoffs many times (doesn’t look like we will make it this year anyways).
by Rockets4LIFE on Nov 17, 2010 11:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Well if it makes you feel better I went online in NBA 2k11 hoping to play the Heat
Someone picked the Heat and I whooped their aghhghghghghsssssss!!! Well I only won by 9 but thats because I wasnt used to running with the bench.
Making the best of two wrongs
Maybe we should kind of hope maybe there is a lockout… A full year for resting up. Maybe the whole league would benefit, but certainly this team.
by jiminut on Nov 17, 2010 11:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Perhaps KP was not the wonderboy...
we thought he was when he was GM. First, we all knew Brandon had major knee issues in college and many other NBA teams were unwilling to draft him for that reason. Next, KP picks Oden over Durant, knowing full well that he, too, had knee issues. I’m not surprised that KP has yet to land another GM job, despite the fact that last summer such teams as Phoenix, Denver, New Orleans, New Jersey were all looking for their ‘wonderboy’
Send Greg some positive vibes
Someone should compile all the POSITIVE comments of support and send them to Greg via twitter or e-mail or something. Between the arrogant, sensationalist, tabloid media and all the selfish, vindictive, whining fans, Greg will be run out of town. He’s a Blazer until he retires or leaves and he should be allowed to contribute at whatever capacity he has the ability to. So what if he was the #1 pick. He didn’t choose to be that or sell it to anybody. The expectations were not created by him, but by the media and the organization.
Speaking personally, I'm kind of relieved.
The Blazers have wasted a lot of time on Oden, and now it’s time to figure something else out.
come on
The Blazers have wasted a lot of time on Oden.
A talent like GO comes around once every 10 or 15 years. This time, he came to us. You could, I suppose, argue that because of his physical issues, he wasn’t actually that once in a generation talent, and that very well could be true. But every indication signaled that we have the real thing, and any effort cut short, or idea left on the table, any lazy, half-witted negativity toward getting this potentially dominant weapon dressed in Black and Red…..
Are you kidding me?
The wasn’t enough time to waste, and if they decide to waste some more, who could blame them? If he was to stay w/ Portland for 3 more years, getting his body together (assuming someone doesn’t offer him STUPID money), why wouldn’t they?
If, in two years, the kid could run and jump, he’ll drop by occasionally, wearing an OKC uni.
by damonrayhymer on Nov 18, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Come on.
The Blazers have wasted a lot of time on Oden,
A talent like GO comes around once every 10 or 15 years. This time, he came to us. You could, I suppose, argue that because of his physical issues, he wasn’t actually that once in a generation talent, and that very well could be true. But every indication signaled that we have the real thing, and any effort cut short, or idea left on the table, any lazy, half-witted negativity toward getting this potentially dominant weapon dressed in Black and Red…..
Are you kidding me?
The wasn’t enough time to waste, and if they decide to waste some more, who could blame them? If he was to stay w/ Portland for 3 more years, getting his body together (assuming someone doesn’t offer him STUPID money), why wouldn’t they?
If, in two years, the kid could run and jump, he’ll drop by occasionally, wearing an OKC uni.
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