John Canzano on Roy's knee and his contract
by JasonT on Nov 15, 2010 5:59 PM PST
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Today (Nov 15, 2010) Canzano writes:
I'm concerned that the Blazers gave Brandon Roy a max contract without looking at an MRI of his knees. They looked, right? Please tell me they did. This is a major concern for an organization that feels like it's guessing right now. This doesn't feel like a training staff issue. It feels like a management issue.
On July 9, 2009 Canzano writes an article titled "Brandon Roy Should Get Anything He Wants"
Hey, what's to negotiate, Trail Blazers?
If Brandon Roy wants five years, give it to him. If he wants maximum money, give it to him. The All-Star has given the organization superior play and outstanding leadership, and the team is rising on his sweat, so if Roy wants a bobblehead doll night, or a plate of pre-game nachos in his locker every game, or if Roy asks for owner Paul Allen's underpants, make it happen.
Give Roy the keys to the franchise.
Nothing good comes until that happens.
And then this little nugget on July 13, 2009:
I expect these two sides can find common ground. If you back waaaaaaaaay up you can see why the Vulcans might want to limit their obligation to Roy, but if you get anywhere near this franchise you understand why it needs to get done.
See there's this little thing called the internet. It's very easy to call you out on your BS Canzano. At least acknowledge that you were lambasting the Blazer management for not presenting Roy with a max deal for max years on day one of the negotiating period - then maybe we could take you little more seriously.
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Ha ha, precious.
Of course, CANZANO GOT LOTS OF READERS WITH HIS SEN-SEN-SEN-SATIONAL COMMENTARY BEFORE and he will get LOTS OF READERS WITH HIS SEN-SEN-SEN-SATIONAL COMMENTARY NOW.
That’s what it’s all about for him. Bullarky turns to greenbacks…
Watch for Drama Queen Jason Quick to pull the same crap shortly…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
and Quick will try to pitch it as “breaking information”, “just in” and “big time knews if you’re a blazer fan”. I’m still waiting on his story about “something big in blazerland” that was due at 7 pm, well maybe 7:45pm about six months ago.
"AND THE GAME IS OVER! THE GAME IS OVER!! THE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS HAVE WON THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!" Bill Schonely, game 6 of the NBA Finals, 1977 and 2011
That was about Rudy..Rudy wanted to go back to Spain.
Rudy broke THAT news on media day. Quick said later that he knew of this and wasn’t able to say anything..something along those lines.
WhatEVER Skppy.
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Fuel on my clownzano fire.
I can’t stand him but I still listen to him all the time, and I swear I was just thinking about his comments abour Roy’s pending contract extension when I listened to him on air today. Nice work,
"AND THE GAME IS OVER! THE GAME IS OVER!! THE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS HAVE WON THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!" Bill Schonely, game 6 of the NBA Finals, 1977 and 2011
here yesterday, gone to Maui
if you catch my drift
the next time that John C writes something complimentary of Paul Allen or the Vulcans will be the first time, and I’ll do my best Fred Sanford impersonation
“It’s the big one, I’m comin’ home, Elizabeth!”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
lol... I didn't get that DJ reference at first.
If only I had Canzano’s extraordinary powers at pointing out what should have been done after the fact I too could get paid for talking about games.
In fairness
Canzano did actually point that out on the radio on thursday.
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by DominicanAvenger on Nov 15, 2010 7:42 PM PST reply actions
I hate to interrupt the lynching
but just because Canzano called for the Blazers to sign Roy in no way means he did not expect them to perform due diligence on Roy’s medical condition.
he does not deserve a break here
anyone who had followed the career of brandon roy should have known exactly why the organization was hesitant to give him 5 years. he had already had multiple knee surgeries, specifically on the meniscus in college. even the sports radio dodo’s mentioned this as a likely explanation last summer.
around the time roy was drafted their were many teams that intended to stay away due to a lot of concerns about his long term durability.
back when canzano wrote that classic front running pile of garbage he made no mention of any of this and his article had absolute no nuance whatsoever; no mention of injury concerns, no talk of long-term risk management, nothing.
now a year later it’s yet another front-running piece full of his customary i told you so smugness.
don’t defend him.
by colinmarsh on Nov 15, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct
There is a difference here, people are just so quick to jump on the bandwagon anytime it has to do with bashing Canzano.
Actually, Brandon's knee was speculated as a sticking point in the negotiations from the Blazers perspective
Yet, Canzano was screaming bloody murder for the Blazers to give Roy whatever he wanted. I do remember quite clearly that his attitude was that the Blazers were slapping Roy in the face after all he had done for the franchise by not offering him a max deal for max years. Canzano at the time seemed pretty dismissive about any concerns the Blazers could’ve had. So yeah…it is fair to criticize Canzano in this case. All he had to do in the article, was admit (like many of us) he wanted Brandon Roy signed to the max deal no matter what.
Canzano also did an about face on Roy's not being with the rest of the Blazers during the national anthem.
One year..it was that Roy needed this time to reflect …the following year Canzano was calling Roy out about Roy’s patriotism.
The guy will do whatever he thinks needs to be done for publicity.
Meh
What he had to say wasn’t any different than what fans have said.
I don’t look to Canzano as a voice of authority, so this stuff doesn’t upset me. Despite his access to the team, most of the time he’s just another guy with opinions. Sometimes his tone works my nerves, but hey, he has to sell papers. Grain of salt.
Wiggada Wiggada Zers!
Does AK1984 deserve a grain of salt?
See what I did there, Corvid?
by MiledAnimal on Nov 16, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
The Internet
It’s amazing what it has done for sports and politics. ‘Grassroots journalists’ have access to just about every bit of info the full-time ones do, and are often better reads.
Good post!
...
I just think he gets caught up in drama just as much as anyone else on blazersedge (don’t forget when he said Andre Miller will never work… and now Andre is what’s holding up the Blazers)
But somehow he gets paid for it.
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by brandonmitchell on Nov 16, 2010 12:13 AM PST reply actions
So if we drafted Chris Paul, would that be just another injury prone player that we'd blame KP for/
I mean really, I remember going to a Hornets game Roy’s rookie year and hearing about how much Chris Paul had been injured. That was the game Peja nearly hit that half court shot to beat us. Chris Paul had injury problems early in his career, and now he’s having knee problems.
So why should have Portland gambled on Roy? Did we have a back up if we didn’t keep Roy? Someone would have offered him the max. Get over it folks, Roy’s here to stay.
Canzano wanted us to draft Paul.
He also wanted us to draft the ’Stache.
by MiledAnimal on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
In defense of Canzano...
….he’s simply going to say that in all those sited cases that IS how he felt at the time. He’s going to say that he assumed an organization like The Blazers were doing their due dilligence and since he heard no concerns about Roys knees at the time, he wasn’t at the time concerned.
BUT…you do have a point, Canzano or otherwise. A lot of people coming out of the woodwork now in hindsight, screaming about how The Blazers should of never offered Brandon Roy a max contract….seemingly have forgotten the reality of how badly the majority of the fanbase wanted Roy signed.
I did not hear a lot of calls at the time for caution. Most people at the time reflected the opinon of Canzano’s Pro-Sign Brandon articles….it was mostly angst over why it was taking so long to get the deal done.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I thought a max contract was the order of the day, too.
Of course, I wasn’t privy to the medical records, and had no way to know, or best guess, Brandon’s long term viability.
It seems to me that shorter contract lengths are the order of the next CBA, with good reason.
by damonrayhymer on Nov 16, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
seemingly have forgotten the reality of how badly the majority of the fanbase wanted Roy signed.
I did not hear a lot of calls at the time for caution. Most people at the time reflected the opinon of Canzano’s Pro-Sign Brandon articles….it was mostly angst over why it was taking so long to get the deal done
This ^
Saying that Portland should have know that Roy would have knee problems and they shouldn’t have signed him to the max is 20/20 hindsight to the Nth degree. It would have been an indefensible position, back in July 2009. Roy had done too much for the franchise to deny him that max compensation, and there were no expectations at the time that he would completely break down physically and be unable to perform, 16 months later. Was there a risk? Sure, but this is the NBA, there are no risk-free players, unless we’re talking about medical marvels like Andre Miller, Karl Malone or AC Green
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Okay, but couldn't we have had the 2008-2009 Roy for a couple more seasons at least
before his knees began to resemble an egg in a blender?
by MiledAnimal on Nov 16, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Murphy's law, Portland edition
I really shouldn’t need to recite it for any long-term Blazer fan
look out for the other shoe that’s about to drop (even if 2 or more shoes have already dropped…)
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The knees were a key point of discussion during the negotiations, according to multiple sources involved directly in the negotiations.
Yeah, all the whoopty hoopty about the 5th year makes perfect sense now...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
As they should have been
But the Blazers couldn’t really tell Brandon “we’ll let you play out your contract and become an RFA, because we’re not sure about how healthy your knees will be” It would have been PR suicide, which is why they bit the bullet and made the max offer, with the ETO in 2014-05 as the only proviso
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
and Portland probably took out an insurance policy on Roy and LMA
which is SOP for contracts of that size/length
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
You would think so...
but I bet that policy on Roy was expensive. The companies that insure athletes review medical info. They might even have not insured him because of the amount of risk or charge such a premium that the Blazers passed.
This was in response to the idea that the Blazers offered a contract without looking at the MRIs.
Both Roy’s and Aldridge’s contracts are insured.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 16, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
gotcha
thanks for checking with your sources
I presume Jensen and Medina aren’t walking on eggshells these days, waiting for the proverbial axe to fall?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yes...
and there was plenty of speculation at the time that this was one of the main sticking points holding up a max year/salary deal. But writers like Quick and Canzano seemed to dismiss that and only focus on the perceived slap in the face the Blazers were giving Roy.
I guess this is a learning lesson for us all. As many of us were also incensed that the Blazers were playing with fire by risking Roy going to restricted free agency. If anything, to look at the history of contractual negotiations with the Blazers, they have mostly erred on the side of giving players contracts that are too big given their future production – not the other way around. This may be another example.
I wonder what type of offers Roy would have received if he had become a restricted free agent this summer?
I knew it! The Blazers should have extended Oden last month! Everybody panic!
Maybe the front office has learned their lesson, but I suspect Greg was too great of a risk to even entertain the notion before the end of October
I wonder what type of offers Roy would have received if he had become a restricted free agent this summer?
A little bit less than the deal he signed for, based on Joe Johnson, etc. The Blazers would have matched (and if they hesitated the fanbase would have been whipped into a frenzy, again…)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
This is absolutely true
I was living in Las Vegas at the time and even at that distance it was clear to me, through what was being reported from various media reports, that any delay was the result of concerns about his long term health. I don’t see how anybody in a position like John Canzano could possibly claim that he didn’t know at the time that this was a possible concern. I’m not saying that he is claiming this, BTW.
looks like everyone is doing what they are supposed to
Roy trying to get as big and long of a contract as possible
Blazers trying to get as much value for their investment as possible
Canzano trying to drum up as much controversy as possible
by Name's Ash on Nov 16, 2010 9:07 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Great Post, Thanks.
I’m glad someone pointed this out. I listen to JC on the drive home but 2 things about him routinely cause me to turn off the radio :
1. He seems to love the sound of his own voice too much.
2. He goes back on what he has said in the past, given more current developments, such as with this story… but RARELY acknowledges the change of opinion.
He needs to take some pointers from Dwight Jaynes. Get a real opinion and stick to it. Quit changing your tune and acting like it’s what you’ve been singing all along.
Holding-up Jaynes as something Canzano should aspire to be, lol.
by MiledAnimal on Nov 16, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Jaynes has become quite a little drama queen himself but I think he sticks to whatever dramawagon he is on.
And I think he acknowledges it when he changes his mind on something.
Noone is as much a blowhard as Canzano IMO.
Dwight will eventually capitulate if he's been proven wrong
like he did re: the Duck’s success, last week
one thing I like about the MSP show is the crow “caw-caw” sound effect
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Is really, really fitting.
More like Soccer Nerds
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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 16, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Canzano did the same thing with Darius Miles
When Miles contract was up, Portland let it be known that they would match any offer for him. So Miles was getting no free agent offers. Canzano said that they owed it to Miles to take care of him, since they ruined his free agency. The Blazers wound up offering a contract that seemed to many of us to be overspending. Canzano, if I remember correctly, said that the franchise “did the right thing”. Less than a year later, he was clowning the franchise, as he does, for overspending on Darius Miles and bidding against themselves for his services. He has countless times since then referenced Miles’ “enormous contract”, calling it an albatross. The same contract that he publicly stated the Blazers “had” to give Miles.
Now I don’t think Canzano sways the Blazers directly. But they do have a product to sell, and sometimes they HAVE to do things they don’t want to for the sake of public perception. When Canzano gets the fans fired up, the Portland Trailblazers have to make sure they appear to be doing what is right. So when they were doing their due diligence on Roy’s contract, the public was crying foul. I believe Brandon wanted the max 5 years, and KP was saying that he would offer 5 years, but year 5 would be a TEAM option, and it would be MAX money based on incentives that included number of games played. So in essence, KP was trying to make sure that Brandon received the max money for 5 years AS LONG AS HE COULD PLAY. And was ridiculed by Canzano and many of us fans.
smh…
by Rodney Gustafson on Nov 17, 2010 8:49 AM PST reply actions
KP was trying to make sure that Brandon received the max money for 5 years
The reports at the time was that KP was taking Roy’s side in the negotiations and he was replaced by Blazer management with Larry Miller, to complete the extension
There’s no doubt that Roy’s camp used the public’s outcry as leverage in the process, Brandon has a lot of positive equity built up with the Blazer fan base
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Does he get any info about the Blazers?
I don’t know wha tit is but every time I hear Canzano talk about the Blazers he sounds like a casual fan. No smart insights or takes. Just vague questions that go nowhwere and illuminate nothing. At least Jaynes and Kenny Vance have some valid insights.
by LicketyBrindleDowntheMiddle on Nov 17, 2010 9:17 AM PST reply actions
He may be contradicting himself here.
But that doesn’t make it a false statement about Brandon’s knees and his contract. It was always known he has had various knee issues, but the fans and organization likely didn’t look deeply into the issue before making such a deal. If they did, it may have been through the hope his knees would hold out long enough for a championship.
I laugh
at this notion of de-dramatizing the media and then trying , in turn to make them accountable for their opinions.
Spin this stuff all you want, but public opinion in the media is designed to have open doors. This is how they make their money , by keeping interest and controversy in the show.
Call it a check and balance of sorts and realize that these guys are just a liaison between the public and the private. Speculation and bias opinion are to be expected and the presentation staged. Filling in the gaps by offering an opinion and hope that opinion generates interest and even controversy.
Just look at what Canzano has done to the BE people. It’s just another bandwagon to jump on or off from….and Canzano doesn’t care if your on or off his.
Incidentally, I don’t care that much for Canzano, but it’s not his journalism that annoys me. It is the fact that I think he is out of his element (sports)…but I do understand the reason he chose this popular angle. It’s high profile and more fun than politics. People read comments about their favorite teams or players. No one reads comments about politics because it’s a beaten path already.
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