Quick: BOTH Roy's knees have no meniscus
Oregonian beat writer Jason Quick quotes Roy as saying he has no meniscus in either knee. As I gathered from the article, no surgery is necessary NOR possible. All he can do is rest, monitor and down anti-inflammatories. He simply has no more cushioning between his joints. This also means he has no choice but to adjust.
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i find this distressing
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
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"The Portland Trailblazers are champions of the basketball world!"-Mike Breen, sometime in June, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015
"soft LaMarcus" is soooooo last year
look at it this way...
2 less things to go wrong now! :P
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Fiddlesticks. "Bone-on-bone". "Arthritic knee". As direct quotes. That's a terrible prospect for an NBA career.
Just as the drama seemed to subside…
My favorite thing about the NBA
is watching Brandon Roy play, and it’s not even close. I probably wouldn’t watch the nba if it weren’t for him. He’s just so smooth out there and seems like a great guy, but it seems like it’s all over. I don’t see how he can play for another 5 years. This is a really sad day for me.
I love B Edge almost as much as I love B Roy and close to my love for B atum
Shouldn't the Blazers have already known this about his left knee?
Roy had surgery on his left knee in high school and then again in 2008 — both before he signed his max contract. Ugh.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
He had 5 meniscus surgeries
1 in high school, 2 in college on each knee (1 really bad, 1 where he rushed back 3 weeks ahead of schedule), 2 as a pro (both rushed back quickly). And each time they cut away instead of going conservative until there apparently was nothing left. It’s really bad. Now we’re looking at him in a 6th man role with severely monitored minutes respectively chosen points of attack. Good news: It can’t get worse because it’s already bad. We’re not even sure if microfracture would help, probably not. Kaythanksbye.
Now you know why the Vulcans freaked when he got a max deal with no team options. Last year is a player ETO that he might pull Oberto-style if he has to retire before and feels like he hasn’t earned it though we are talking about $19 million and not “just” 1. And then he went on to re-injure the knee, and that was the end of the front office guys.
Everything that went down over the summer makes a little more sense now.
I just still don’t understand how the Blazers could offer Roy the max deal, knowing that he had absolutely no meniscus in one knee, and was potentially one surgery away from having no meniscus in his other knee. From the Quick article:
The Blazers and Roy have known his knee was grinding bone-on-bone for some time.
How long have they known this for?
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
yeah it is possible...
I think it is still farily experimental. One day the plan is to grow meniscus from stem cells (or another source) and implant it in the knee. My meniscus is torn and they just sutured it back into place…. some days I wish they had just cut it out like Roy.
Yes, from drafting Email to signing Matthews to not wanting to deal Rudy
When you look at the last offseason with Roy’s knees in mind, it all makes perfect organizational sense. Even the Cho hiring, because Rich has the extensive research on knee injuries.
I remember Whitsitt taking over in the mid-90s and saying “for all of those fans who still have championship aspirations, you may want to lower that flag down the flagpole for awhile” Well, today is another half-mast day in Blazer history. It’s not like we couldn’t see Roy’s knee demise coming, but we hoped this day wouldn’t arrive so soon. Might as well continue to build the team around Batum and LMA and hope that Oden works out, because the Natural is just along for the ride now, he’s no longer driving the bus.
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The only thing that doesn't make sense
is the Bayless trade. When you know that Roy’s knees could flare up at any time (and that Elliott was going to need surgery, as well) then why deal away Jerryd?
That one has me smh
That said, the 2.3 mil TE and extra 1st round draft choice needs to be used to acquire a veteran backup PG before mid February.
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I'm jumping back on the "trade for Kirk Hinrich" band-wagon...
…actually never really jumped off it.
We should also take a look at acquiring Marcus Thornton from New Orleans, who will likely be available soon as the odd man out in Monty’s rotation (the irony of which is we wouldn’t need him if we hadn’t traded Bayless…WTF???)
they all have different strenghts and weaknesses
as we saw again tonight, Bayless can get to the rim off the dribble, and Portland could still use Jerryd’s ability, especially now that Brandon is incapacitated
I hope Matthews will be “better” than Bayless, Wesley has been inconsistent so far this season. The rest of the team really needs him to step up like he did tonight, and like Jerryd did when Roy was out last winter
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"Bayless can get to the rim off the dribble"
He did it successfully twice last night, both off of screens, and both on Sean marks. So, yeah. Every single other play he made helped the Blazers.
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Disagree.
Bayless is superior to all of those players at getting to the rim.
Considering that is one of this teams top 3 weaknesses...
…as currently constructed then I’d say it’s a pretty big need.
I think we can agree that getting to the rim is one of the teams biggest needs
But blindly attacking the rim and hoping you get fouled isn’t really the help I’d want. Allen Iverson can do that and I sure hope we don’t go out and save him from the Turkish league
When Chris Paul had his meniscus surgery
Some speculated that he had the whole thing removed, and that he now has only one or two seasons left to play before the knee just completely wears out and the wheels come off. Is that accurate, and isn’t that something that we should be concerned about with Roy?
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Even worse in Roy's case, since he has no meniscus in both knees.
But, some of us did suspect that Roy really didn’t have a long career ahead of him and right now is likely his peak due to his knee issues. Unbeknown to even the most pessimistic, however, is that his peak is likely already past us.
There’s a good chance now that Oden, even with his issues, will likely be in the NBA long after Roy is gone, as there’s always room for a big man that can defend and rebound even if he continues to be injury-plagued in his career.
I will run naked through the streets if Oden wins the MVP this season...happily.
Batum's career is likely to be much longer, as well
if he stays healthy, of course
which is why I’ve been hesitant to include Nic in any trade proposals. I don’t want to call Brandon a has-been already, but the Blazers have to start looking at the big 3 as LMA, Oden and Batum and plan accordingly
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Oh how soon we forget...
The contract holdout. Ownership publicly getting slammed by fans, local media, and even some of it’s own management for not hurrying up and signing Brandon to a max contract already.
Brandon may be done with All-Star games but he’ll still be a heck of a player for us.
Regardless, I’m putting the over/under of a retired BRoy taking a coaching gig at age 35. What do you guys think?
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retired BRoy taking a coaching gig at age 35. What do you guys think?
Could be even sooner. Then he’ll hire Nate to be one of his assistants, like McMillian hired Bernie
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I don't think Roy would make a good coach....
just my gut feeling though.
It's hard to predict
Andre Miller has the BBIQ to be a good coach, but not the communication skills and probably not the desire
Roy has the people skills, but does he want to study the game?
The best managers in baseball are usually catchers and utility infielders. NBA head coaches are more-likely to be backup PGs and cerebral role players—like Monty
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He strikes me as more of a GM
but I dunno…
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
and maybe Joel, too
because Pryz would be to Brandon like Maurice Lucas was to Nate
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Under. Way under.
I’d say 30-31.
I will run naked through the streets if Oden wins the MVP this season...happily.
the plus side is that he's been without his left meniscus for some time and played well.
The bad thing is “arthritic knee” “bone on bone” etc.
and the downside is the chance that Roy will regain his previous
level of athleticism is low. 0? That the reason that they didn’t opt for microfacture was “it wouldn’t work” is not very encouraging.
So, the Blazers lack a legitimate top 10 NBA player. Sigh. Well, it’s time to adjust to reality. No deep NBA playoff runs for the foreseeable future.
Oden gives us that, once he comes back
and this forces Brandon into more of a complimentary role, instead of that crap last year where Brandon complained about Greg clogging up the lanes and Greg had a ridiculously low usage rate.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Unfortunately, it doesn't feel like Oden will be back soon.
If he was, we’d be hearing about all the 5 on 5 he’s been playing. If Greg’s back before 2011 I’ll be surprised, and even then he’ll average less than 20 minutes a game for the remainder of the regular season.
I’ve been trying to stay optimistic, but it may be time to face some hard truths about my favorite team in the world. Just making the playoffs this year is no sure thing anymore. All the good teams are still good and all the bad teams are getting better.
"I just played my game. I didn't do anything special. Just take the open shot, make cuts to basket, get rebounds. That's it." ~Nic Batum
by vanceanthony on Nov 13, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Mabey Replacement of Miniscus is a option for Broy
We knew this back in the spring
Roy mentioned that he had bone-on-bone in both knees at times, and just had to play through the pain.
Chris Paul is in the same boat, although only in one knee.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 13, 2010 9:41 AM PST reply actions
I think this is an important point to make.
people are making this out like Roy tried to hide all of this from us and he make reference to it back even last season.
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by greatestfall on Nov 13, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
as far as "hiding this" goes
the only reasons to hide this was for the Blazer’s front office, if they wanted to deal Roy and his max/BYC contract away, or (perhaps) to not negatively affect season ticket renewals last March and during this ofseason
We haven’t heard Brandon’s name rumored in any trade proposals (not even for CP3) so that pretty much rules out reason #1…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
lets be honest people are going to buy season tickets even if Brandon were sat for a year with injury.
we still have a pretty loyal base.
#52
by greatestfall on Nov 13, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
yes, but
there were a lot of complaints that the Penn firing was done the weekend immediately after ticket renewals were due last March, so don’t kid yourself, the front office knows when to time their announcements
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I have season tickets and aside from the team moving to Helena Montana I’m going to continue to renew them. Individual players/coaching moves meed jack to me. I support the name on the front of the jersey not the back.
I struggle sitting on my hands... don't you?
by RoysBlazers on Nov 15, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
I'm with you
but we both realize that there are a lot of band-wagon jumpers, and “bad news” can send them scurrying away to new diversions
the Blazer’s front office needs both kinds of fans. In fact, they’re probably not even marketing to “us” because they know they’ll have our eyes and sales, regardless
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So is Chris Paul half done?
And to think all the fans wanted a trade for this guy.
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940
I was dubious back in June
not only about Hollinger’s report of CP3 knee lacking meniscus, but because there was no way to guarantee that Paul would agree to a LTC with Portland before the deal.
Trade 10+ years of Batum for maybe parts of 2 seasons of Chris—before he leaves as a UFA in 2012? That’s not my idea of an acceptable risk. Fortunately, it appears that the Blazers agreed, though there’s still some debate about those negotiations back before draft day, I suppose.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
So Roy is done, yet we should have still drafted DeJuan Blair?
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal." - C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, 1940
apples and oranges
Still, the doctor’s decision to red-flag Blair back in ‘09 is proof that the Blazers aren’t just buying a pig in a poke, every June
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Only every other June ;)
Nate claims they knew about E-Will’s subluxation problems, at least on one knee
trade the healthy ones
like Bayless, and keep the sickly ones?
There’s a lesson in there, somewhere
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Bayless bayless bayless…. My kingdom for ‘"LESS"" Bayless! he had some good games while in a blazer uniform. I just don’t think he ever progressed. To this day he is good at what he’s always been good at. So he can get to the rim, thats great the two times he converts but the charges and off balances prayers, not to mention the errant passes and constant sour grapes face were to much for my liking. Its easy to play arm chair QB on Monday afternoon… fact is he’s gone and I wouldn’t change a thing.
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by RoysBlazers on Nov 15, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
I just don’t think he ever progressed.
Statistically he progressed a lot. Don’t you think it’s ironic that Jerryd’s solidly built and he has been healthy, and yet he was dealt away right before the team could use his talents, again?
I recognize his limitations as much as the next guy, and I’m sure not going to defend Bayless for the rest of his career. The thing that you’ve got to realize is that the skills he has right now would be useful on a Portland team that doesn’t have the full services of Roy. This was certainly true last winter. Nate wanted Jerryd to be something that he’s not, and Bayless was given very little time (relative to his peers in the ‘08 draft) to “figure things out” during regular season action. I think he’s been maligned for not responding like a superstar given those circumstances. He’s 22, he’s got a lot of NBA career ahead of him to learn the skills that he hasn’t shown, yet.
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One thing is for sure...
Greg Oden blossoming into one of the 3 best Centers in the NBA has all of a sudden taken on a huge importance.
And what exactly has Cho done since he’s been here?
Hmmm…well, he jettisoned an explosive shooting Guard in Bayless, whom we could really use right now instead of Roy.
How is this team missing Bayless
Bayless has had one good game. Armon has had one bad game and lets not suggest playing Bayless a the 2.
by Kaanyr Vhok on Nov 13, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And by the way, I'm incredibly high on Armon Johnson...
…I love the kid. That doesn’t change the fact this team could use Bayless’s ability to get to the rim and create his own shot.
You've got to be kidding, right?
Our 2 guard’s knees are shot. We have a team that can’t get to the rim. AT ALL. We have long scoring droughts when the offense bogs down. And you’re asking how we are missing Bayless? Do you have eyes? The fact that Bayless isn’t doing much in Monty’s rotation YET doesn’t mean JACK as to what he would mean to this Blazer team were he still here.
I'm not kidding. They already have Wes Maw, and Rudy
AJ can attack pretty well too. There just isn’t enough room for Bayless without shorting Rudy’s minutes.
so Chuck Norris wears Bayless’ jock to right? really? yes bayless to get to the rim, rumbling bumbling stumbling…. charging, falling, flailing… his problem is that once he got to ‘said rim’ he conversions were so few and far between…
he couldn’t pass to save his life, how many times did he have to either throw it into the third row, or take out a guys ankle like a bowling pin. He didn’t know how to relax and ball, the level of thought he put into each play made me feel as if he was cramming for a some mid term. His departure makes sense simply because Rudy and Wesley are both smarter and carry more tools in their arsenal… #2 pencils only get you so far.
I struggle sitting on my hands... don't you?
by RoysBlazers on Nov 15, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
Well, one thing Cho hasn't done is sign a player with 2 bad knees to a max contract.
Sometimes not doing something is better than doing something. Cho is not trying to make a move to make a move, he’s waiting until the right move becomes available.
can Rich do something that PatterNash and KP couldn't do?
that is, prevent Paul Allen from maxing out a popular player with known knee issues
(Miles, Roy)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
maybe Paul hired Cho
because of the past knee problems with Darius, Greg and Brandon and because Rich impressed him with his knee injury research?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
You've got to be kidding, right?
Our 2 guard’s knees are shot. We have a team that can’t get to the rim. AT ALL. We have long scoring droughts when the offense bogs down. And you’re asking how we are missing Bayless? Do you have eyes? The fact that Bayless isn’t doing much in Monty’s rotation YET doesn’t mean JACK as to what he would mean to this Blazer team were he still here.
We should be taking a hard look at trading for...
…Kirk Hinrich (Washington)…
…and…
…finding out if Marcus Thornton (New Orleans) is available and for how much.
kirk hinrich
has been awful for almost 4 years now. he costs almost 9 million. why on earth do people think this guy is worth trading for.
Put another way...
…our number one weakness on this team is without a doubt the inability to stop opposing point guards at the point of attack. This weakness dictates SO much else on the court.
Hinrich would instantly fix this problem and give us a starting PG who is steady on offense and a top flight defender.
Lol after watching Westbrook merk the team I think you are on to something
Unfortunately the team is equally weak after the point of attack. The help defense was just as much of an issue.
You must be joking too right?
Hinrich would instantly be our best perimeter defender (and yes that includes Batum).
And for you to say he has “sucked” the past 4 years is way off base. 2 of those 4 yrs in which his statistical output was impacted on shooting percentage, he was suffering injuries, role changes on a declining team, and then role changes on a team that acquired a new starting PG.
He is currently shooting a nice percentage on 2s and 3s for a lowly Wizards team as the fill-in 2 guard.
He may not be playing up to the level of his contract, but put in perspective we have a starting 2 who making max money and is nothing more than an outside shooter at this point.
Hinrich would legitimize our wing defense…and provide stability in the backcourt position.
My biggest fear all along since seeing him in preseason.
Well no point in boohooing about it. We’re Blazer fans. It’s not like we aren’t used to this kind of Earth-shattering news.
Here’s to hoping he can re-adjust his game to his new knees.
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