Jeff Pendergraph: 'I'm Out For The Season With Torn ACL' In Right Knee
by Ben Golliver on Oct 8, 2010 1:03 PM PDT
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PrintPortland Trail Blazers center Jeff Pendergraph reports on Twitter that his right knee injury last night was a season-ending torn ACL.
Tough news today y'all, I'm out for the season with torn ACL
Jeff Pendergraph
TheRealJP31
- Pendergraph was injured during the second quarter of Portland's second game of the preseason last night against the Utah Jazz attempting to defend Jazz center Kyrylo Fesenko.
- Pendergraph's injury leaves Portland with a projected big man rotation of Marcus Camby, LaMarcus Aldridge and Dante Cunningham. Rookie Luke Babbitt may see more playing time as well unless the Blazers decide to go smaller, playing one of their wings at the power forward position.
- Blazers coach Nate McMillan said after the game that the team would look into "bringing another guy into training camp."
- Pendergraph is in the last guaranteed year of his contract.
- Scroll to the bottom of this post for Portland GM Rich Cho's options.
- Pendergraph is an active Twitter user. Here's a link to his account if you would like to send him a message.
Update (1:36 PM): Jason Quick of The Oregonian reports on Twitter that Rich Cho says he is in wait-and-see mode regarding Greg Oden and Joel Pryzbilla before he decides whether to free a roster spot, as anticipated last night. Also, free agent center Erick Dampier is not in the picture because he is headed elsewhere.
Update (1:54 PM): A text message from Portland Trail Blazers PR confirms Pendergraph's tweet.
MRI confirms Portland Forward Jeff Pendergraph has torn right ACL. Timeline for his return will be set following surgery. Date of surgery TBD.
Update (1:59PM): And here's the press release.
PORTLAND, Ore. - Portland Trail Blazers forward Jeff Pendergraph will undergo surgery in the coming days after an MRI today revealed a torn anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) in his right knee, it was announced by General Manager Rich Cho.
A timetable for his return to the court will be determined upon completion of the procedure.
"Jeff has been playing well and has been a big part of the team, so this is an unfortunate setback," said Cho. "With his work ethic and determination, we know he'll work hard in his rehabilitation to return to the court."
The injury occurred at the 10:48 mark of the second quarter in Thursday's preseason game at Utah.
Pendergraph, 23, averaged 2.7 points and 2.5 rebounds in 39 games (four starts) as a rookie in 2009-10 with the Trail Blazers after being acquired from Sacramento in a draft day trade on June 25, 2009. The Arizona State product was the 31st overall pick in the second round of the 2009 NBA Draft.
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Ugh!
Wish Jeff the best in his surgery and rehab! We need a change of fortune in regards to injuries.
#52
me three.
"Conan, what is best in life?"
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women."
by dario argento on Oct 8, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Bummer Jeff--I really dug your style and swagger-get well soon bro!
And the curse contiues?
by cavejunctionblazer on Oct 8, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
Good news, bad news
Bad news: the legacy continues……
I kinda figured he was out for a while if not the season
good news: not a horrific loss but still it may make the beginning of the season a lot mote difficult
Bayless and Roy= Fire and Ice (TM)
Spread the word
by SpyderRyder on Oct 8, 2010 1:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Such a bummer
Good luck to him in recovery. I’m trying not to be superstitious at this point.
Hmm...
Does Cho now pursue a big man.
Awful thin at the position now.
Plus I hope the MRI wasn’t done at the Banfield Pet Hospital…I’d want a second opinion.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Plus...
Sorry Jeff.
Maybe as a fan I’ve become desensitized to injury?
But that’s a bummer. You seem to have a great attitude, and I regret you not having the opportunity to play this season. Best of luck with the rehab.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Freeland is under contract with Malaga. If you don't like Barca poaching Rudy, you shouldn't like the Blazers poaching him.
Plus our MLE was spent on Wesley, and the BAE and the rookie scale are lower than his current deal. And they don’t seem really interested in letting him go either, they recently declined a 1 million buyout offer by Tel Aviv’s now ousted GM.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
With buyouts. But as said above, the time to pull that option for this year has passed. Malaga has an upcoming season too.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
"Trade" them Rudy for him.
Seriously, I think that could be possible.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
Ouch.
Sorry, Jeff. You’re a great guy and will be greatly missed. Get well soon, man!
chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 8, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions
Oden is a big man, and much better than any that you'll get for him
we have a number of viable options that do not involve selling low on a big-time impact player
stole your thunder by a few seconds on that one NVE
we should start coordinating our responses to avoid these mishaps lol
I think we should think about trading
our training staff…
chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 8, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Are you saying you don’t think training has any correlation to flexibility and injury prevention? That should be one of the keys to whether or not it is deemed to be good training or not. Look at the last couple seasons through that lens: our training staff sucks.
chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 8, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This is not the first time this has been brought up,
and I’ve never seen a conclusive argument in favor of our training staff. There’s only so much you can chalk up to “freak accidents” before folks start to wonder, especially the numbers guys like Cho.
There are certainly arguments to be made against the sturdiness of our roster—Greg’s been injured before—but where are the success stories of our trainers? Who’s the Blazer that they fixed up when nobody thought they could? It seems like every injury this team has treated took longer to recover from than they estimated.
If Joel continues his speed recovery, they might have a leg to stand on; otherwise, look for Cho to sharpen his axe. This sorta crap wasn’t happening in OKC, right?
Stealth > Wealth
Short memory
It was national news that BRoy played in the playoffs eight days after surgery.
Martell seems to have fully recovered from a potential career-ending injury.
Pendergraph’s hip doesn’t seem to bother him anymore.
You even mention Joel’s speedy recovery in the same post as questioning the efficacy of the training staff.
You’re giving the players the credit for grit and toughness when they come back sooner than later, and blaming the training staff when that doesn’t happen.
It’s the same around the league. Do you think people are questioning the Lakers training staff because Bynum is spending his 4th season with a different knee problem, or that Kobe’s finger seems permanently messed up?
Umm...
Didn’t Roy have to under the knife because he was cleared too early? He was allowed on the court before he was healthy and, viola.
Didn’t Martell re-fracture his foot because he was cleared too early? And all along the way, we were told, “two more weeks”.
Didn’t Batum aggravate his shoulder to the point of tearing after being cleared to play in Europe?
No new points here. And the Lakers are questioning their approach with Bynum.
Stealth > Wealth
No, Roy wasn't cleared too early
He had a tear in his meniscus, and they knew he was going to need surgery. However, it was an injury that couldn’t be worsened by playing on it, so it was a question of whether he could play effectively and manage the pain.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
Shock & Awe
I’m a persistent critic of the Blazers’ training staff around here. I disagree with a few of your points, in fact. But this latest injury—at least until we learn more (I haven’t seen video yet)—would appear to have nothing to do with Pendy’s conditioning/medical treatment.
Regardless of a player’s condition, ACL’s are vulnerable and prone to rupture. The ACL is truly the “achilles heel” (the vulerable, weak link) of the human anatomy. If Pendy went to defend a guy charging into the lane and his knee jacknifed with the opponents’, or if his knee hyperextended, or if he sustained a “clipping” type blow, then all the skilled work in the world by all the most skilled trainers in the world wouldn’t have helped him.
Sad but true: every player in the NBA is a hit to his knee away from a lost season.
P.S. I tore an ACL myself back in my pickup hoops days. Pendy’s in for a tough road, but nowadays it’s no huge deal. He should be fine next season.
P.P.S. Irony: the Blazers picked Pendy over Dejuan Blair, reportedly over concern re/ Blair having ACL-deficient knees.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Wouldn't it be just as reasonable
to blame it on Kevin Pritchard, for drafting players predisposed to injury? Two of the main players, Oden and Roy, have always been injury-prone.
Sarcastic AND snarky!
Nicely done;)
chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 8, 2010 8:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Important stat so far this season:
We’re averaging 1 season ending injury per 1.5 games. Can anyone can do the math about how long our season can mathematically last?
by Flu Like Symptoms on Oct 8, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions
Let's see...
We should figure out the comparative injury timelines for last off/preseason and this year’s. I think we’re doing a little better, considering last year, Patty was injured the first day of SL training camp… Oh wait, Williams was injured before we even drafted him! NOOOOOO!!!
Stealth > Wealth
yes, but pendy had the hip injury last year
So i think we’re still on par
by Oggbog on Oct 8, 2010 1:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, so before opening night, what who was injured?
Patty, Pendy and Batum… That’s all right?
Currently, it’s Greg, Joel, Pendy and maybe Camby, so we’re backsliding. Crap.
Stealth > Wealth
Greg, Joel and Camby on the mend
Plus Roy all healed up. Looks like we’re doing more healing than getting injured right now!.
ooooooohhhh....
flag for blatant prejudicial use of perfectly logical statistics
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Rough...
Hope Pendy gets better and has a rewarding career…and hope the Blazers can make a deal to get Dampier or whoever else on the team ASAP!
Couldn't they call someone up from the Stampede?
There’s got to be a big man in the D-League somewhere!
The good news is
we are only one injury short of the NBA hardship exception!
Poo
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
Dampier insurance policy looking a bit more tasty
I’d like to invest in the Dampier Insurance policy….but Only our trainers know how Joel & Greg are really doing & when they will be back. Another groin pull or turned ankle from Camby & we are looking very thin in the middle.
We all know what K*be did in Colorado to that girl. Dear Lord, please let whatever team that plays the LA Clankers beat them to oblivion. Amen.
Damp wouldn't sign here
He wants to play and contribute and he would only be a bridge to oden/przy
Bayless and Roy= Fire and Ice (TM)
Spread the word
by SpyderRyder on Oct 8, 2010 1:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering the Blazers' potential this year
I think he could be convinced the same way Howard was last year.
Oh come on...
In that case, he’d be a bridge over troubled waters.
If you can stay healthy? And are a center? Portland is THE place to be.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I think he would
Look at Juwan last year…Damp could end up getting a ton of court time considering our history with this sort of thing. Plus I’m not sure how picky he can be at this point in his career…doesn’t seem like there is a strong market (or hardly any market for that matter) for his services right now
Oden
is a big man on the bench for the 3rd year in a row. Point of potential? We need a solid big man that plays not potential that doesn’t if we want to compete this year.
if we sell low on Oden right now
we will not win a title in the next 5 years…that would be a horrible mismanagement of a valuable asset
I wonder how Pendy's crazy fire up the team cheers will work
….from a wheelchair.
Those will be missed. …at least for a while.
We all know what K*be did in Colorado to that girl. Dear Lord, please let whatever team that plays the LA Clankers beat them to oblivion. Amen.
Won't be in a wheel chair
but he will be on crutches for a little while.
by tjv on Oct 8, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Pendy take up a roster spot for the whole year?
Do we have options to free up his spot if not?
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
only way to free up his spot is to waive him
he’ll still get paid, but we won’t have his rights going forward
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
If this is his last year
shouldn’t we probably do that? Even if we had some rights over him next year would probably still make sense.
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
He's a 2nd round pick
so I believe he’s a UFA after his deal is up. So, other than concerns about not being able to assist him with rehab (or accusations of tampering), there’s no reason to not waive him.
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Oct 8, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
no, he will be an RFA after this year
if we submitted a QO of course
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
check that
he has an unguaranteed deal for next year. so if we cut him, we lose our rights to exercise that option.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Yes, he's on the books for 760k and takes a roster spot. And yes Cho could waive him, and thereby free up a roster spot and save his salary for next year that is fully unguaranteed if the doesn't play in 41 games and gets waived before end of season.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
How much of a D-move would it be to do this?
It seems like business wise this would make the most sense. Just open Pendy’s roster spot and bring in another big. I’d feel bad doing it though, tough situation for JP. My heart goes out to him.
I'm pretty sure Portland would still be taking care of his rehab even if they cut Jeff, since it happened on their watch
But I’m not 100% sure. Does anyone out there know for sure?
I'd hope that we'd take care of him if this happened
he’s an asset to the team if only for his personality. Plus he’s really not THAT bad. I’d rather have him than Mbenga. Looks like Dampier is getting close to signing with another team…time to get creative Cho!
Most likely, yes.
Some people are under the assumption that we’ll be throwing Jeff out on the street if/when we waive him. Not only he’ll be paid his full salary for this year, he’ll likely be allowed to use team’s facilities and perhaps the training staff, although I’d stay far away from our training staff if I was Jeff.
I will run naked through the streets if Oden wins the MVP this season...happily.
Jeff could work out with Raef in Iowa
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
They could also file for a disabled player exception that the league can grant if a player is likely out for a whole season, ...
but the maximum salary for the replacement player is 50% of the injured player’s salary, or the average salary, whichever is less. In Pendy’s case, that doesn’t really buy you anything. Maybe Cho could find a way to sign someone or trade for someone, but chances to do that for around 400k are small.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Half Pendy's salary
is less than the league minimum for a player with zero years experience.
Seems like there should be a clause that would at least allow teams to sign a player to the league minimum if half of the injured player’s salary is less than that.
by Rodney Gustafson on Oct 8, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering if that was the case
in any case, the league is pretty stingy about granting these exceptions anyway, so let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
There is, and regardless of injury status. Teams over the cap can always sign minimum salary players.
You only need to have the roster spots.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
There's a difference between signing them without cap space
and using an exception granted for such a thing.
It’s like, if a team has a Traded Player Exception. They cannot exceed the dollar amount of that exception to get someone. The 125% rule doesn’t apply to Traded Player Exceptions. So if you have a traded player exception of $300k, it is worthless since the league minimum for a player with zero years of experience is $398k.
I’m not sure how this works with injured player exceptions. Being granted an IPE is not the same as having a free roster spot exactly.
by Rodney Gustafson on Oct 8, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
The disabled player exception also isn’t really meant to replace some end of bench player, but to replace say someone like Yao Ming going down. Which the Rockets did, by acquiring Ariza with that exception.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Yeah, I know
I always think it’s funny when they use an injured player exception to get someone at a totally different position like Houston did. The idea is to replace the injured player. Not use the exception to build a better team. lol
by Rodney Gustafson on Oct 8, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why it should be abolished in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
DeJuan Blair would've been a good idea, then
since he had no ACLs left to tear
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 8, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How 'bout this for a shot in the arm
http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=188064
I think he’d be perfect, where is he now?
by doomsdaymachine on Oct 8, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Steven Hill isn't an NBA caliber player, so let's forget about him.
If Erick Dampier is indeed off to sign elsewhere, then Josh Boone and Fabricio Oberto are the next best available options.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
This may be a sign
we need to play some small ball with LMA at the 5 and any combination of 4 of the forwards and guards
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
If Cunningham can keep up the good work, this shouldn't kill us.
The West got smaller…
Stealth > Wealth
Sadnessssss
Best wishes for jeff. As ben pointed out, he had a huge oportunity this year. Stay strong myman, were pulling foe you !
by wackybrak on Oct 8, 2010 1:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
it was nice knowing you JP
I like Jeff’s attitude, but that’s the last we’ll see of him in a Blazers uniform. Wish him well and hope we can find a suitable big, or better yet, greg and joel get ready to play.
Of course!
Wow. This is amazing…..
Get better Jeff.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Cunningham is now the backup 4...
and if Rudy stays he fills the void (if any) at the backup 3
Besides feeling bad for Pendy because he’s the man, it really doesn’t change much
The chances of a trade involving Rudy seem pretty high.
Too bad, he looked to be primed for a great comeback year, too. I mean, who’s the more obvious trading piece at this point?
Given that Batum has only played 20 minutes in the first 2 preseason games
I’m in favor of flipping Fernandez for a decent big man and freeing up wing minutes for Nic
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I'd be ok with that
I don’t care if Batum is only playing 20 minutes right now – but if we start the regular season and he’s only getting 25mpg, I’m going to be one unhappy dude. This guy needs to be on the court 32-36 per night
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
if Nic only gets 18-22 minutes tonight
then it’s a preseason trend that should be explained. He’s not hurt, he doesn’t need the rest, if anything he should be out on the floor working on his back-to-the-basket game
He’s 22, what are they saving Frenchy for?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Granted, Batum is a healthy 22 year old.
But after a long summer playing for France, maybe a little bit of rest during the preseason is in order.
No
But his agent probably gave NOH the same threat that he gave the Blazers – “He won’t report to camp” – which scared them off.
Depends on what threats his agent would make to the Wiz
and whether or not the Wiz believe the threat to be true or not.
The Washington Wizards are unlikely to deal either youngster, with Rudy Fernandez ...
not being sufficient value in any case for the Washington Wizards.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
So you don't think a guard rotation of Wall, Hinrich, and Fernandez wouldn't entice the Wiz?
I have no clue how they will deal with Arenas; best not thought about.
Fo'Real
That would be a good rotation, and Rudy’s depression is a much easier situation to deal with than Arenas’ pistol-waiving.
Stealth > Wealth
So who's to say they wouldn't pony up Seraphin?
For McGee we’d have to really do a 3 party trade so they could get a big in return.
Fernandez' has close to zero trade value to a team that will not be in serious title contention over the next 2 years.
I think you look for a team with title aspirations who has a talented young big that is fair value for Rudy. The Magic and Daniel Orton come to mind. The problem is teams know we are needing to do something. We probably have to choose between a lopsided trade ie Rudy + $ + picks or adding a guy like Mbenga. I doubt Oberto/Damp will be interested in the job.
by 52therim on Oct 8, 2010 5:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Add Boone… he was suggested lower on the post and I agree. I had dismissed Boone as I think of him more as a PF, but depth at PF could be good after Oden and Przy come back. Boone could play C and has more skills than Mbenga. That doesn’t mean we don’t contact Damp/Oberto, just don’t think that are as available.
by 52therim on Oct 8, 2010 6:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Terrible news.
Maybe Jeff can help Mike and Mike out with commentary at games. He could take over Rebecca Haarlow’s job from last season.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
by ericking on Oct 8, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's an interesting idea.
Or give him that fat guy’s job so he can be sitting in a studio?
by panfolk on Oct 8, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bummer deal Jeff
I was looking forward to watching you break out this year. Good luck and keep your spirits up!
Maybe it's the clean air.
Sign Nellie as an assistant coach & run Small ball
I’m sure Nellie would have no problem throwing out some small ball lineups with our roster. (Not a realistic idea to actually sign Don Nelson)….but I’m sure he would not mind playing some small ball until the 3 headed monster of Greg, Joel, & Camby come alive.
We all know what K*be did in Colorado to that girl. Dear Lord, please let whatever team that plays the LA Clankers beat them to oblivion. Amen.
Don Nelson should retire in peace and tranquility, end of story.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
Nellie can move in next door
to Tom, the Luke Babbitt fan
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
grrrrrrRRRARRARAAARRRRRRGRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!@#$!@#$#^(!@~#$
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
Oooh fuuudge!
Only I didn’t say “Fudge.” I said THE word, the big one, the queen-mother of dirty words, the “F-dash-dash-dash” word!
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Flag.
:)
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Oct 8, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFForCKrying out Loud.
We all know what K*be did in Colorado to that girl. Dear Lord, please let whatever team that plays the LA Clankers beat them to oblivion. Amen.
I'm not much of a "Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda" kinda guy,
but does anyone see the irony of passing up on DeJuan Blair’s bad ACLs to pick Jeff?
Stealth > Wealth
yeah.. sucks
Blair has been injury-free almost, and JP has been anything but.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Oct 8, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
been there
seen that
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ARE you kidding me???????
Abolish the Center position NOW!!!!!!!!!!
From now on they are Oversize Power Forwards!!! End of discussion!!!!
Oh Jeff, my heart aches for what you must be going through….
Inexpressible sadness….
That is all
Sure, but how long until some jack-ass calls 95.5,
demanding that Jeff “man up”.
I really wish I could squish dog poop on that caller’s face.
chk yrslf bf u rec yrslf
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 8, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
“Man up! Play hurt! Take one for the team!”
There is a HUUUGEEEEE difference between playing hurt and playing injured.
Until he's not, Rudy's a Blazer.
by collectiveshane on Oct 8, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
hehe
starting, at oversized power forwards, the seven footer from the Ohio State University GREEEEEG ODEN!!!!!
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Artis Gilmore for Hall of Fame
due to his low support around Bedge, Rudy Fernandez is temporarily my new favorite player
by thomasikehara on Oct 8, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He plays point guard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhnvYmgRPv0
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
Per Quick no Dampier signing as he is close to signing with another team
And we are just looking for a big for the preseason as Cho wants to determine the health of Pryzbilla and Oden before filling another roster spot. Per Quick’s Twitter.
#52
Dear Uncle Dave,
If you see this, once again please tell Jeff that we’re all wishing for him to get well soon and looking forward to his return next season. Whether or not he plays another game for the Trail Blazers, we still appreciate the intensity and enthusiasm that he brought to the court everyday and will always root for him. Good luck and speedy recovery, Jeff.
Signed,
BEdgers.
by tblazers on Oct 8, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 15 recs
Thanks All.
I will continue to pass on the well wishes of the fans on this sight. I will still come by to chat during the games I can see. This does mean I won"t be spending the money for Direct Tv"s pkg. but as long as J is associated with the Blazers I will be a Blazer Fan
by Uncle Dave in NC on Oct 8, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you'll be around a long time, then
Jeff is always going to have fans here, even if he ends up somewhere else.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
I'd like 12 bottles of beer bartender
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Oct 8, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
sounds like me
In Amsterdam when the USA got eliminated in the world cup. I think this is a fitting time to go alcoholic as well.
by gtbassett on Oct 8, 2010 2:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If you want that much to drink, you're better off going with hard alcohol.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
Since Dampier doesn't appear to be an option anymore...
Who are the best available big men? Not saying we should necessarily go after one (depending on the health of Greg and Joel), but I just want to know who else is out there.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
I was thinking
NY has interest in Rudy, who I still consider expendable. I know we’ve wanted first round pick, but what about Turiaf? I’m not saying they would go for it, and i haven’t even looked at the salaries, but as a frenchman he would mesh well with Batum.
Great idea
but unfortunately, Turiaf makes $4 million per. I don’t think Rudy and Pendergraph and Dante combined would make that work.
by Rodney Gustafson on Oct 8, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Turiaf is earning 4 mil/year, Fernandez' salary is 1.2 mil
So the Blazers would have to add 2.5-3 mil to the deal. That’s either Bayless, or some combo of Babbitt, Williams, Johnson
I like Ronny, but the incoming big man’s salary has to be closer to Rudy’s
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As a player at the beginning of his contract...
I don’t think he can be traded until Dec. 15th.
After the draft, and before signing the contract, his rights could have been traded. But I do believe that once that contract was signed, Dec. 15th is the magic date.
And that could by why Cho wants to wait. Perhaps he’s wanting Rudy’s value to continue climbing and Greg and Joel to return so he operates out of a position of strength when trading for more big man depth and better balance to the roster.
by Rodney Gustafson on Oct 8, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Crap.
Opportunity missed. Although the mighty Trade Machine still allows it…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25×5zpq
I guess they can’t account for everything.
Stealth > Wealth
More big man depth?
And to think that it wasn’t so long ago that people were saying we had too many centers. How quickly that can change.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
Draft picks can be traded 30 days after they are signed
Although you’re right about trading newly signed free agents.
he’s wanting Rudy’s value to continue climbing and Greg and Joel to return so he operates out of a position of strength when trading for more big man depth and better balance to the roster.
I understand this strategy, but there are regular season games in November-December that could be lost without enough size-depth at the 4-5
A little more urgency would seem to be in order. The Blazers seem to be operating in “what, me worry?” mode re: their incredibly shrinking frontcourt
There’s excess depth at the guards/wings and Rudy’s playing as well now as he has in 18 months—sell when high
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Oberto, probably
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah, it's either him or Josh Boone.
For one season, though, I’d go with the experienced veteran in Fabricio Oberto.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
I vote for Fabricio
and I hope he brings enough jerky for everybody
by sammymohawk on Oct 8, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
#31
Get well soon Jeff, I hope we see you back in a Blazer uniform next year. We’ll miss your craziness in the huddle.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
“I’m not much of a “Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda” kinda guy, but does anyone see the irony of passing up on DeJuan Blair’s bad ACLs to pick Jeff"
I think Blair is still a high injury risk guy for the long term though.
Blair isn't tall enough to play center....
But definitely ironic in hindsight.
neither is Pendergraph, really
Blair can beast and push those tall/skinny PFs out of his way
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he actually played a lot of center last year
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Artis Gilmore for Hall of Fame
due to his low support around Bedge, Rudy Fernandez is temporarily my new favorite player
by thomasikehara on Oct 8, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
DB = a fire hydrant body
in the Wes Unseld mold
tree stumps are hard to uproot in the paint
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
DeJuan Blair can play inside on offense, but in no way, shape, or form is he a center on defense.
For all of the guys Nate McMillan coached in Seattle, I figure that he’d’ve used Blair similar to how he used Danny Fortson circa the 2004-2005 season.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
Well, DeJuan Blair would be a sane, less dirty version of Danny Fortson, who was crazy.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
I will say, though, that the incident there coupled with Danny Fortson suing Jerry ...
Colangelo for calling him a “thug” — which was unsuccessful in court — seemingly led to the bruiser ultimately getting blackballed from the NBA.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
The problem with Reggie Evans is that he's devoid of any offensive skills.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
Tough Business
My heart goes out to Jeff. I’m sorry. Not to add insult to injury, but on the business side of this, it has forced our hand to waive Jeff, (will get paid), and bring on a new big. Erik Dampier i guess. Someone. I am now bald from ripping out all my hair last night. Something needs to be done. It will be a tough decision, but we MUST keep our eye on being a elite team. We can resign Pendy next season. Love the hard work and swag. Love it. But we must move forward.
Much Love #31!
well that sucks
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Artis Gilmore for Hall of Fame
due to his low support around Bedge, Rudy Fernandez is temporarily my new favorite player
by thomasikehara on Oct 8, 2010 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
to make matters worse
My background is engineering, so I shoudn’t be susceptible to superstition, but to be honest if I were a backup center contemplating signing with Portland I would have some hesitation based on the recent history.
Good thing that didn’t deter Camby from signing!
Regular season is still 18 days away
Don’t panic and do anything rash. Wait and see how Oden, Joel, and Marcus are doing, then re-evaluate come December. Here’s the centers on our early schedule:
Tue 26 vs Phoenix
Wed 27 @ LA Clippers
Sat 30 @ New York
Mon 01 @ Chicago
Tue 02 @ Milwaukee
Thu 04 vs Oklahoma City
Sat 06 vs Toronto
Sun 07 @ LA Lakers
Tue 09 vs Detroit
Fri 12 @ Oklahoma City
Sat 13 @ New Orleans
Tue 16 @ Memphis
Thu 18 vs Denver
Sat 20 vs Utah
Fri 26 vs New Orleans
Sun 28 @ New Jersey
Tue 30 @ Philadelphia
I can’t think of too many centers on that list we need to worry too much about. Kaman and Bogut come to mind. We can survive with a Camby/Aldridge center rotation through November.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
by douglast on Oct 8, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nene's good,
and don’t count out Nenad Krstic, you never know what he’ll throw at ya.
Stealth > Wealth
by 500dogs on Oct 8, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
forgot about Nene
Krstic plays a more outside/finesse game, so Aldridge can check him easly.
still, that’s 4 games. not the end of the world if we are overmatche a bit by Nene or Kaman. We aren’t talking 2000 era Shaq who’s going to go off for 40 and 20
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
My favorite part of this pic is the 3 Greek girls up front.
They just love the carnage.
Stealth > Wealth
if you just scroll through this thread
it’s comment comment comment comment Nenad Krstic blasting dude with chair comment comment comment
by sammymohawk on Oct 8, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
he doesnt even remotely look like a basketball player
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Artis Gilmore for Hall of Fame
due to his low support around Bedge, Rudy Fernandez is temporarily my new favorite player
by thomasikehara on Oct 8, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Kind of like how Matt Hasselbeck doesn't even remotely look like a football player.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
I don't think that chair folds
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
not the end of the world if we are overmatche a bit by Nene or Kaman. We aren’t talking 2000 era Shaq who’s going to go off for 40 and 20
But aren’t you a little concerned about rebound differential? Camby and Cunningham can’t both play 48 mpg
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we're talking 12-14 minutes a game without Camby
if we are smart, that is 12-14 minutes against 2nd line guys. If some 2nd unit center comes in and terrorizes us on the boards against LMA, then I guess I’ll live with that. I don’t see it as altogether likely. We survived a huge chunk of last year playing Juwan 30 minutes a game, with an undersized Jeff backing him up. I think playing Camby 30 with LMA backing him up is a significant improvement until we get Joel and/or Greg back.
So no, I’m not all that concerned.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Don't think that's the right way to look at it, and there are some good big men on that list
Kaman, Noah, Amare, Mozgov, Krstic, Ibaka, Okafor, Gasol, Nene, Bogut, Lopez, …
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
we're not trotting Juwan Howard out there
Camby is still starting and will face most of those. We’re talking about the backup minutes. I think we can survive with LMA playing the late 1st/early 2nd and late 3rd/early 4th against other team’s backups.
So, to me it is the right way to look at. Wait 14 days at least. If it looks like Joel and Greg are still weeks away, then maybe make a move.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
by then, the best low-priced big men could be snapped up
patience wasn’t the best course when KP had RLEC back in Feb 2009. The pressure for Cho to add a big man will increase in early November, but then the opportunities to make a deal/acquisition could be less appealing. NBA teams are more likely to adjust their roster now than after the regular season has begun, unless they suffer…a key injury
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Disagree on your assessment of the RLEC situation
I’d rather have Andre Miller and Nic Batum than Vince Carter…..
and I'd rather have Andre Miller
In Feb 2009 than July 2009
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it was reported as such after the fact
but not loudly at the time, so who knows
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
after Portland signed 'Dre
it came out that they were pursuing him at the deadline. The Blazer’s fortunes in the ’09 playoffs could have been very different, and there would have been less PG controversy last fall if Miller had been on the team (and likely starting) the previous spring
Remember, Blake’s shoulder was injured in Feb-March 2009
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not me
then he would have wanted (and got) much more than 7 million per year for the next 3. and we would have had to give Philly a prospect or pics too.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
no risk, no reward
I use Andre as an example that all the ‘09 deadline proposals didn’t circle around Vince Carter. (Remember, KP had Sergio and Frye’s EC to deal with along with RLEC, as well…he could’ve “sold higher” with those 2 and not lost a whole lot asset-wise in the long run)
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or the pressure will be relieved entirely
I don’t care if we are playing LMA 12 minutes a game at backup C in November. What I care about is having Greg, Joel, and Marcus (or any 2 of them) in January and beyond.
If either Greg or Joel’s return in imminent in 3 weeks, then there is ZERO pressure to do anything to fill the 12th man void created by Jeff’s injury.
Giving away Rudy is a non-starter for me. Kicking Pendy to the curb I can live with as a business decision — 3 weeks from now. Doing it now is premature and panicked.
And the real kicker is this — Even if we cut Pendy now and sign some stiff, HE WON’T PLAY!!! Nate will still play Aldridge at the backup 5, and that stiff will be waving a towel on the bench. So what’s the rush?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I have to believe this is the approach the organization takes for now
They’ll probably sign a big man to a training camp roster and see how things play out over the next 3 weeks before making a more ‘permanent’ move (ie, cutting a guaranteed contract to make a roster spot available).
This just reminds me how terrible the center position [talent-wise] has become in the NBA.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
crazy,
but the way to handle this deal is to release Pendergraph, his option won’t get vested anyway. Too bad we ran off Jarron Collins last year. He would look like Wilt compared to whatever is available now.
Hmm, I'd take Fabricio Oberto or Josh Boone over Jarron Collins.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
This is absolutely not the time to make a panic move. If a good deal comes along, sure, make it.
But it really doesn’t make if the the team loses every preseason game for lack of a center. What matters is how the team will look and play in March.
Camby, Aldridge and Dante is an acceptable big rotation unless they;re playing an actual elite center, of which there are few in the league. If one or both of Oden and Pryz are back by mid december, things will be ok.
Here we go yet again
Thank goodness for the Ducks.
Best of luck to Jeff. Love that guy.
Duct tape makes you smart.
I'll bet the Blazers will make the cut for NBC's New Years Eve 2010 retrospective (along with some other disasters).
1.) Gulf Oil Spill
2.) Pakistan Floods
3.) Red Sludge
4.) Jeff Pendergraph
5.) Tea Party Witches
Unlikely. See above.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Wait and See?
How can Rich Cho take a wait and see attitude with the idea of obtaining a big man? Even if you told me Przybilla would be better and available tomorrow, and you guaranteed me that Oden would be back in a month…I’d still want to pursue another big body. Harsh truth? With Camby, Oden and Przybilla we have a Center Corp that hasn’t had a full healthy season in the past 3….We need some insurance.
Maybe the reality of Dampier is fading…but being close to signing with another team is no excuse. I seem to remember a guy named Hedo Turkoglu that was pretty close to signing with a certain team…and at the last moment ended up changing his mind.
I’d at least try.
Panic won’t help. But IMO without Pendergraph? The Blazers at least need a viable big body if only for practice purposes.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I'd wait and see
Pendergraph was slotted to be the 4th center on the depth chart. I’d at least wait until November 1 before making any panic moves.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
As sad it is though
If we have to cut him to make space, we have to cut him.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
exactly.
I don’t disagree. I’d just wait a month before I decide to make that decision. We may not have to at all.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
He's gone for the year
I think the best course of action is to cut him at this point, he’s a backup PF/C if he’s anything. As a player, he’s nothing worth wasting a roster spot on if he’s not going to play.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Can't wait a month even if we're not picking up a backup 5
PMGC = Patty Mills Guarnateed Contract. If we don’t cut Pendy before the season starts, we’ll have to cut someone else in absense of a trade that frees up a roster spot.
I will run naked through the streets if Oden wins the MVP this season...happily.
the Patty decision is irrelevant
he’s the 16th man, and will get cut regardless. That doesn’t free up a roster spot for another big. We’d have to cut Patty plus 1 more to be able to do anything.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
We haven't actually signed Patty
And now we almost certainly won’t. We retain his rights until another NBA team wants him though (which no one does).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I was under the impression that patty was guaranteed.
But it looks like you are right. Still, I would think this increases the chance of Patty staying a Blazer by making the team, depending on if Joel does indeed get back by opening day.
I will run naked through the streets if Oden wins the MVP this season...happily.
this decreases Patty's chances of staying a Blazer
he was already the 16th man. If we cut Jeff, it will be to sign a big, not keep Patty. The only way we were going to keep Patty is if we were to make some sort of bigger trade involving more players going out than coming in. But now if we do that, the open spot created would more likely go to a big, which would actually decrease our chances of keeping Mills.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
No, Patty's contract is not guaranteed
And this situation, honestly, does nothing to increase his chances. To keep Mills on the roster, Portland has to waive a guaranteed contract (ie, pay a player to not play).
or, make a 2 smalls for 1 big trade
which wouldn’t be such a bad idea, at this point
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for a big who can crack our lineup long term, yes
for a fill in who will be relegated to 12th man status in 3 months, no
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
either a young big with upside
or a veteran big who can help fill a role
Portland has drafted 7 rookies in the last 2 drafts. Not all of them should be considered keepers. Extra depth is nice to have to shore up a roster need, like right now. We had some folks (not me) arguing that Portland should draft a project big man (Seraphin, etc) last June, and that was with the understanding that Jeff would be healthy this year (although Joel’s status was less certain at the time…)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
hey everyone is right once in a while
the rest of the time, you apparently don’t agree with me. ;-)
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Dear Injury Gods
This counts for our major injury of the year right? PLEASE!
Peace,
Blazer fans.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Oct 8, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
are you saying Pendy was a sacrifice to appease them?
interesting…our training staff may have thought that was the best approach
painful
2010-11 games missed due to injury 82.
by doomsdaymachine on Oct 8, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure...
let me clarify.
I don’t want a panic move. Just bringing in a big body, but it seems to me Cho needs to simply become active in so far as looking.
We need to obtain a viable center…if one can be made available or is available…IMO.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Oct 8, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We just need someone who is decent and can soak up a fair bit of minutes
To allow Camby to rest for the first month/month and a half of the year til we get either Oden or Pryz back.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I guess...
…what I don’t like is just the statement, that Cho is waiting to see….
IMO waiting to see what? Pendergraph going out for the season, doesn’t change the reality of the timeline for healing and rehab for Oden or Przybilla. They are still going to heal and rehab the same as before the injury to Pendergraph.
So IMO what are you waiting for? You either pursue or state that you are pursuing a center, or you don’t …but I’m going to wait and see? What? Przybilla and Oden will heal when they heal an be available when they are available it really has no connection to what has happened to Pendergraph. You either think we need another big body or you don’t. I think at this point we should at least be looking…not waiting.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
He says in the Oregonian article
That he hopes to have someone on the roster as soon as this weekend to play in the MC game Monday.
That’s moving fast.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
What he is saying publicly...
And what he is doing privately could and should be very different. Publicly saying we need to add a big doesn’t help us one bit.
by 52therim on Oct 8, 2010 6:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
easy
you are waiting to see when Joel and/or Oden are going to be back. As soon as either one is back, you have a center rotation of Camby and that one. No need to do anything else at that point. If that day is game 5 of the regular season, why would you want to make a panic move now to replace your 11th man? that would be silly.
We have 18 days before games even count. I’ll wager in another 17 days we’ll know a LOT More about Joel and Greg’s return date. Until then, no reason to make a move.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Krang has it right
Fans can afford to be reactionary or panic. Cho cannot afford that.
This is not a decision that needs to be made in the next 20 minutes or 20 hours. The Blazers have more like 20 days to figure out how to deal with this situation.
Signing Erick Dampier to a BAE-level contract a week ago wouldn't've been overreactive, though.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
right, it would've been smart
But we don’t know how interested Erick was re: coming to Portland. As much as you disliked Howard last year, it took Larry Miller’s relationship with Nike and guaranteed money to get Andre on that plane. Dampier could be looking at the same factors that we are…once Greg/Joel are healthy there won’t be PT at the 5, and ED will be the odd man out. He and his agent are probably looking for a team with a more ready-made role, and that includes just about any NBA team besides the Blazers
Same thing re: Oberto, BTW. Does he look at Portland as an opportunity to continue his career, or play sparingly and collect a paycheck? It’s not as easy as Cho/Allen offering the money and the player/agent saying “yes” to play in Portland. Most of them have multiple options to mull over
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Just wanted to keep him calm
Standard practice, no need for him to panic.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It sounded like his pain level reduced after it was iced too
Which may have made him think it wasn’t as bad as he thought.
Quick now tells a bit of a different story than what his first tweets sounded like. Training camp big man incoming next week.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/10/trail_blazers_begin_search_for.html
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
exactly the right approach
get a body to finish the pre-season, then evaluate Greg/Joel from there.
Interesting that Matthews and Rudy are not being considered for the start at 2 tonight. It’s between bayless and williams.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Maybe he's waiting for the Heat to cut Pittman, Shav, or Magloire ;)
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
Pittman is a real big body, like 6'11 and 3 bills
I’d be surprised if he gets cut over the other two though…they’ve got to think that he has more potential than Magloire or Shav and be at least near their level of production already
At best, Dexter Pittman could someday be Kendrick Perkins.
Pittman is raw and out of shape, however, as well as unlikely to be cut.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
actually
he’s not out of shape. Maybe you’ve missed the Miami preseason games? Dude’s looking svelte
I wish:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24swgxv
both looked good in SL and at this point that’s big.
best Nate quote
"We just want to get out of this preseason,’’ McMillan said.
wake me in 2011
I'm serious
Can we get Brook Lopez for B Roy?
ROFL
Lopez for ROY. Good one. Because Lopez is totally worth Roy.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Nets turned down that trade
- all-star starting centers are harder to find than all-star 2-guards
- Roy is older and much higher paid
- Roy has a long history of knee injuries
I’m not saying I would make the trade or that Lopez is better, but it is quite plausible that New Jersey would turn down a straight up trade.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
For those in PDX
Ben will be on KGW at 7 PM to discuss the Pendy situation.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g_uQ5zJRVs
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Artis Gilmore for Hall of Fame
due to his low support around Bedge, Rudy Fernandez is temporarily my new favorite player
by thomasikehara on Oct 8, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
When do we have to cut down to 15?
If it’s only right before the actual season, we should just make due with a warm body big man in the preseason and hope Joel or Greg get back a short time into the season.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
this appears to be the plan by Cho
which I fully endorse
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
I'd flip a guard for a big
regardless of Greg/Joel’s status, Jeff was being counted on for depth at the 4-5 and now he’s gone for the season. Pendy should be replaced and not by a training-camp caliber big man
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Jeff was being counted on to be the 6th big man
hardly a crushing need.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
currently, yes
in 3 weeks? we’ll see.
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
big man depth is primo, as we saw last year
pooh-pooh it at your own risk, not mine
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
im pooh-poohing it in early October, not March
our big man depth, for all we know, will be better than most teams 4-6 weeks from now. If it’s not, I’m all for doing something about it. But why give away something now for a 12th man we won’t even be using on November 1st?
"I want to be traded to a contender" is almost always code-speak for "I'm a loser."
-Dave, 2/5/2010: http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/5/1297509/no-amore-for-amare
Job Opening!! Center for Portland Trailblazers
disclamer: we gaurantee that your knees will be toast before mid season. we gaurantee that you will spend many months in rehab and will have bad knees the rest of your life.
Advantages
Better pay than the D-league, crazy fans that will love you forever (unless you say you want to return to Europe).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Bummer
Pendy was working hard as always, and showing some improvement. He he had an opportunity to really contribute—certainly until GO & Przy come back.
That aside, that’s a painful injury and the procedure to fix it and the rehab are more painful still. I feel bad for Pendy all around.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
You too, Przy: everyone knows you're the heart & soul of the Blazers.
Yeah, the rehab sucks. But at least the knee can be as good as new with modern procedures and rehab. I’ve got a friend who is a ski pro, and he swears his surgically repaired knee after a complete ACL tear is now more stable than his never injured knee. So does my mother, who also ripped it when skiing and just falling over from a standstill.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
And so do 3 friends of mine
2 of which are former basketball players (albeit at the D3 level).
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Jeff Just texed me to say thanks all!!!!!
please keep the positive thoughts and prayers.
by Uncle Dave in NC on Oct 8, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
will we still see you Unkie Dave in the Gameday threads?
Cats as a class, have never completely got over the snootiness caused by that fact that in Ancient Egypt they were worshipped as gods. - P G Wodehouse
Well then...
The primary reason we should be worrying about this situation is not the quality of the basketball team, but Jeff now and the future of Jeff. He’s gotta’ feel pretty sick to his stomach over the fact that he was going to get minutes early this season. I’m bummed about that.
In terms of how successful we can be? We’ve still got a stacked roster at every position, we’ve got Brandon and Wes. Camby, Aldridge, and Cunningham combined should be able to hold down the rebounding fort for a monthish.
Another hole besides center
Who the heck is gonna stand in the middle of the pregame huddle and scream and stomp and yell and get the team fired up now that Pendy’s gone? We have got to bring somebody in to replace that.
I think maybe we should sign Zach Galifianakis.
"I've got to protect my guys' backs. I don't care about you. I'm thinking about my boys. You want to go beat up on B. Roy, all right, cool. Here I come. Baaaam." - JP
Best Wishes Jeff on a speedy recovery
Cats as a class, have never completely got over the snootiness caused by that fact that in Ancient Egypt they were worshipped as gods. - P G Wodehouse
sign rod benson
sign rod benson
#21
by ghostface przybilla on Oct 8, 2010 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
boom tho
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
"I was like, 'Wow, we get a run.'-Felix Hernandez
Artis Gilmore for Hall of Fame
due to his low support around Bedge, Rudy Fernandez is temporarily my new favorite player
by thomasikehara on Oct 8, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I read on here that Tiny Gallon was available?
I know nothing about him, but would he do?
Stealth > Wealth
All I know is from draft coverage.
He’s a walking, talking titular oxymoron. The dude is an oil drum with legs. Don’t know much about the skill level on said legs, however.q
Yeah, the Bucks cut him. They don't really need him, but hope he will sign with their DL team
Though he has signaled he’s more interested in going to Europe instead. And he’s more of a PF than a C.
"Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing" - Mark Cuban
At best, he's a raw Glen Davis.
To me, that’s not a NBA caliber player.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
nothing sounds worse than a raw glen davis
I hardly consider glen davis an nba caliber player
by HD on Oct 8, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Speedy recovery to you Jeff!
..and not to be too negative or anything, but when was the last season the Blazers DIDN’T lose someone to a season-ending injury. Man..
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
Seriously. We must have angered them. Penance for the jailblazer era perhaps?
"Conan, what is best in life?"
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women."
by dario argento on Oct 8, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Rasheed ?
Would Rasheed come out of retirement for 1 year for his old team?
Awwww mannnnnn. Really basketball gods? Seriously?
Who’s gonna do our pre-game dances now?
Seriously though this sucks. I like Jeff and was interested to see how he handled what probably would have been a few more minutes early in the season. Feel bad for the guy. This is his last guaranteed year. He’ll probably be released after this season ( after having missed 3/4 of his NBA games due to injury, which is even worse than Greg’s record now ), which makes me kind of sad. Get better Jeff. Don’t worry though, Call of Duty Black Ops is coming out soon so you’ll have something to do with your downtime.
"Conan, what is best in life?"
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women."
Are big men gonna avoid Portland like the plague from now on?
"Conan, what is best in life?"
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women."
holy crap
the big man curse continues to haunt the Blazers
I am surrounded by Laker fans. And Raider fans. What is wrong with all these people?
One thing to be said for waiting...
The Clippers, alone, have three twelfth-man quality bigs on their roster-Jarron Collins, Jake Voskuhl and Brian Cook. No gems in that group, but they’ve all contributed useful minutes in the NBA. The Clips will drop at least one, more likely two, over the next 2-3 weeks. Josh Powell is hanging on at the end of the Wizards roster and figures to be available soon. There will be others. There’s no reason to give up anything now for a guy who’ll be glad to sign for minimum soon.
Heck, Jake Voskuhl is a liability on both ends of the court.
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
If this is the worst thing to happen to us this year...
OK, trying to be optomistic here….. But also reminding myself that this is not a piece of the championship puzzle we’re talking about here… Love Jeff’s enthusiasm, but let’s face it, he’s ranked, what 229 in the NBA overall? (total swag, don’t stop me, I’m on a roll… Pearl Harbor…)
Yes, we need another big man (or two) for the pre-season. So I agree with Cho’s approach, but suggest he double-down on bigs for now… No sense rushing Joel or Camby back just to field a squad. Then keep whoever looks best for the season (can you still sign a guy to successive 10-day contracts), until both Joel and Greg are back.
I’m afraid unless we trade Rudy, we’ll be waiving Jeff. Just can’t afford the dead weight on this packed roster. Doesn’t mean we have to abandon him, and odds are high nobody is going to coming after him with a big contract for next year, so we should be able to get him back for min…
(can you still sign a guy to successive 10-day contracts)
Not until after game 41
Non-guaranteed contracts become guaranteed for the rest of the season if a player is still on the roster past that date
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
To be exact, 10-day contracts are available come January 5th.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q68
"Some things you can't unsee, bro." (The League)
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