Lighten Up and Tighten Up!
Man, geesh..what's going on? I wake up today to find 1/2 of the Blazer fanbase calling for the trade of Brandon Roy because he says he wants the ball more. Quite frankly I'm astounded and a little shocked.
Other threads are, and have debated the specifics...so all I want to say here is "Come On Fans!" Let's lighten up a little?
I have no idea how this upcoming season may play out. I could see us being very succesful and being a legitimate playoff finals team...I could see injury to Brandon or continued injury with our bigs transform us back into a lottery team. To me the spectrum of possibilty is that wide and that unknown and undefinable.
BUT....I say let's lighten up and tighten up as a fanbase. Listen, I'm not a Rose Colored Glasses, Rah! Rah! whatever the reality type of fan...I will be critical of anything I see, that I think warrants criticism...but this pre-season has been strange.
The analogy in my mind is like when they load a racehorse in the starting shoots before a horse race. And I feel like The Blazers are a racehorse being loaded in the shoot and then having it's legs tied...and a pit dug right outside the exit...
I do think we need to lighten up. Things need to be discovered, defined and ultimately addressed...that's also what I see this upcoming season as being about...but also at least at the start, could we perhaps focus a little more on what is right with the team?
Matthews appears to be an excellent addition. Brandon is evidently healthy. So is Batum. We will have Camby available....from the start of the season. Aldridge is healthy.
This can be a good team...maybe a great team.
So even though I'm not normally a Rah! Rah! guy...I say GO BLAZERS...let's not focus so much on twisting or reading into Brandons comments, Pre-Season about wanting the ball more...let's not sit back and wonder why or what Przybilla's apparent quicker return to health means in relationship to Odens rehab....two different people with two similar injuries but even similar injuries can heal differently for different people. I think this comparison of Przybilla vs. Oden in a rehab timeline "race" is ridiculous. Like Oden, Hate Oden, Have Faith in Oden, or Lost Faith in Oden...I feel sorry for him. He can't escape comparison......even in his own rehab....let's let him breath on this Okay?
I know the squeaky wheel get's noticed...and I know it's not the entire fanbase, and tomorrow I might be a hypocrite and find something that I think needs immediate criticism...but for now? Let's try to get the race that is the N.B.A. season off to if not a Great start at least a start where we are not creating problems or imagining problems that we have no real idea if they exist or not....
Let's give this team a chance.....
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Seriously, the season cannot get here soon enough
Partially because I really really love basketball and the Blazers, but partially because Blazer fans are acting more insane than usual.
As this team has grown, each year’s offseason fervor has been crazier than the last, but at least they have been crazy and irrational in a positive way (ie: Oden=God, Brandon>Kobe, multiple championships, 10-year championship window, etc). This year the inanity, pessimism, nitpicking, conjecturing, and in-general blowing-out-of-proportionness has been quickly approaching an unbearable level.
Let’s all relax and root for our team. Once we have something legitimate to [get excited about] [panic over] [obsess obnoxiously about], we should. Until then, let’s not stress about Brandon going 6-9 for 16 points in a preseason game that no one got to see anyway (16 points in a zaching preseason game and you people are flipping out? Good lord!).
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Is it just me, or is the wrong sport discussing shortening the preseason...
The NFL, who previously went from 6 preseason games to 4, is now making noise that they want to go to 2…
The NBA needs to go from “interminable” to “a small handful.”
Seriously, what is being learned from these games? Cut it to 4 games, start the season two weeks earlier, and wipe out a whole bunch of the back-to-backs which burn out players and fans alike and skew game results.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Oct 14, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
or give teams more practice time before the preseasons games
We don’t even have an /offense/ yet.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
When it comes to cutting down games, I assume that they wouldn't do it because of $$
But then I wonder if they actually make any money on pre-season games… any idea?
Tim
Holding out for Hedo
Finally! Something on a Blazer-related site that I can actually agree with.
Well put Krang.
"I have contract with Portland.... I have contract with Portland... I have contract with Portland." - Rudy Fernandez
by Kroes32 on Oct 14, 2010 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Really...
I think the fans, especially those as die-hard as the ones on Bedge, are just anxious to get the regular season started. Some of us are in a state of Blazer panic due to a variety of reasons, while others are confident this team is more than solid. What everyone really needs right now is the regular season to begin so all of us can mentally heal over all these uncertainties.
Don’t we go through these struggles as fans every preseason??
Thanks for expressing this
I couldn’t keep reading 400+ comments that just felt like a freak out session. Not directed at any one individual or line of thinking, just maybe everybody needed a release of some kind.
Anyway, as I look at the last two years shortcomings, I see youth and inexperience and health as major contributors to the early exits from the playoffs. Joel is no longer the sole elder contributor. Miller and Camby are here over Blake and Outlaw. Aldridge, Batum, and Roy are another year older. And I feel a lot better about a 23 year old Wesley taking over for a 23 year old Webster. Youth and inexperience can no longer be a fall back for this team.
Health is still an issue but we at least we have three centers to fill the position instead of two. Once we get everyone back, we have some flexibility and a fantastic rotation of big men.
My point is that I see the team on an upward trajectory still. I like hearing Roy talking about wanting to take on the responksibility of carrying the team. I hear traces of Boston in his comments: sets for Ray, sets for Pierce etc. I’ve got more to say but have to go. Keep the faith!
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by tssbro on Oct 14, 2010 1:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Totally Agree
After reading half the junk people have said over the last 24 hrs im appalled. I used to agree with most that the Blazers has some of THE SMARTEST AND LOYAL FANS AND UNDERSTOOD THE GAME OF BASKETBALL. After the last day my mind has completely changed. People are either bored waiting for the regular season or truely just are not the fans we thought. He said “I want the Ball” that doesnt mean I want to score all the points or I cant play with Dre or I cant …………! Thanks for posting this article as there are some decent fans who understand not to make mountains or out mole hills.
by VWBLAZERGUY85 on Oct 14, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
This season, so many questions??
We are all overly anxious to see how this season plays out. We want answers now. I think the thing that has really freaked everyone out is GO. If he was ready to go you probably wouldn’t have seen all those posts about Roy’s comments. He’s got everyone on edge. Saviour or bust? How can Pryz be about ready and Oden not even close? He’s not Sam Bowie. Bowie wanted to play and was effective when he did but his body wouldn’t let him. I’m not convinced that Oden really wants to play. Is the problem between his ears more so than his knee’s?
I am convinced
I’m not convinced that Oden really wants to play. Is the problem between his ears more so than his knee’s?
Whenever he (Oden) has been cleared to play…he has played…and pretty well. Remember he hasn’t had lingering injuries…he isn’t sitting out with little niggling things..he has had season ending injuries. As soon as they tell him he can play…he will be out there playing…. I promise that.
Harry Bosch: "Everybody counts....or nobody counts."
by 92wastheyear on Oct 14, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hope your right...
But I’m sorry to say I’ve given up on him (GO). I support the Blazers, win or lose, as I’ve done since 1970. I’ll fully enjoy each game. That’s the way I approached the injury ridden season last year. But if your counting on Oden, your just setting yourself up for another huge letdown.
Just my opinion...
but saying you support the Blazers win or lose while saying you have given up on Greg is a contrary statement.
I too have been a fan since the beginning. I was at the game where Bowie simply turned around to take a short baseline shot… and snapped his leg. I never gave up on him… and won’t give up on Greg.
Without mentioning any names the VAST majority of the Brandon / Nate / whoever bashers have not commented in this thread… I think that speaks volumes.
Let’s just wait and see what the real season brings and support the team we love.
GO BLAZERS!!!
by Ilikeemall on Oct 14, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
excellent point Koyote!
sometimes i think the word ‘fan’ is used way too loosely. some seem to think their opinion is ‘The Opinion.’ others think they are entitled to see the Blazers perform a certain way or that they’re not worth supportin unless they get outta the 2nd round or win the Ship. these people seem to be fringe fans in my opinion. a fan loves his team win or lose, champion or heartbreaker, and i consider myself this kind of fan…
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by Brendan Holladay on Oct 18, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess your all right
I need to lighten up on GO. I sat in the gym 5 years ago when we only won 21 games. That was painful. It just seems we are so close to becoming a dominate team and need him to play so badly. I’ve just gotta do the "Lighten Up and Tighten Up! Thanks for letting me vent and then putting me straight!
by toolman on Oct 18, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am so ready for the regular season
There is WAAAAAY too much “sturm und drang” in the fan base.
So many people seem to forget this is supposed to be fun! It’s a game….and Portland has some amazing players.
Let’s get to the real games and forget all the minutia that is threatening to drown us as the preseason rolls one…and on….and on…..
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Oct 14, 2010 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ya mean kinda like Jeezus?
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to me it's not even about havin faith in Oden
it’s about supportin him and wishin him well. i believe he will eventually shake off the injuries and carve a niche in the NBA for himself as a solid player, maybe even Hall of Fame. but i see people post all the time ’don’t believe becuse you’ll end up disappointed’ or ’he’ll never play more than 30 games a year.’ that’s their opinion and they’re entitled to it but their attitude is one of ‘my opinion is fact and if you believe in Oden you’re an idiot.’ that’s just wrong……………. in my opinion.
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by Brendan Holladay on Oct 18, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah dang
got called out right after i did a hard core job of criticizing Brandon’s comments. Now i feel like a jerk (probably fine cuz really at heart i am a jerk).
However, your post reminded me why i love basketball and the Blazers. It is about the season and post season, not the preseason. Nothing I complain about will make a slight difference in how all of this turns out. So I agree. GO BLAZERS and let the devil take the hindmost.
Lets get this season started. Man i can’t wait!
by BlazerFanFromDenver on Oct 14, 2010 5:55 PM PDT reply actions
This should be put on the main page
as the “real fans thread” kthx.
But honestly, very well put. Rec.
Don't be a clownshoe :D
by 420Phenom on Oct 15, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Trade Roy?
That is just dumb. People don’t understand that great players have to be somewhat selfish. Roy is the best player on this team, he is the unquestioned leader, and the best in the clutch. I can think of some other “selfish” players named Jordan, Bird, Jabbar, Russell, Duncan, etc. Sure they needed help, but you better believe they demanded the ball.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
Really?
I watched Larry Bird play every game in his career. I pored over every quote of his in the newspaper. I challenge you to find a single selfish comment by him. Bird’s greatness lay in his incredible work effort, massive BBIQ, and a humility that enabled him to take over games, but still involve everyone else, and make every other player better.
I see none of those traits from Brandon.
you may be hard pressed to find a selfish quote by Larry Legend but i'd be willin to bet before they draw up the final Celtic play of the game he's gonna make sure he gets the ball. not bein selfish, just bein a clutch performer...
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by Brendan Holladay on Oct 19, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but here are the diffs..
You’re right, Larry Legend wanted the ball in the clutch.
But he never said “the team s better when I get my touches”…
And when he got the ball in the clutch, he was perfectly willing to pass the ball to his teammates if he was doubled and thought they had a better chance to score…
Bird may have never said his team was better when he gets more touches
but everybody already knew that. i think the Blazers are better when Roy gets more touches, but i will say he should be gettin everyone involved in the offense thru those same touches, not goin 1 on 2.
i completely agree with your point about Bird willin to pass up a shot for a better chance thru another teammate. that’s something Roy has yet to do to close out a game. even kobe hasn’t learned that yet and he’s been in the league, what? 13 yrs?
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Oct 19, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that's kinda my point...
Yes, everybody knew Larry was going to touch the ball, if not deliver the dagger, at the end of the game. But HE never SAID selfish stuff like “I need my touches”… He just let his on the court game speak for itself.
by Visionary2 on Oct 20, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's worse is that
Even once the season starts, it could be awhile before we’re running on all cylinders. Miller is notorious for starting the season slow and out of shape. Oden won’t be back until partway through the season, and probably Przybilla too. Matthews, Bayless and Fernandez have uncertain roles in the rotation. It’ll be awhile before it all gels. So I’m taking the long view this season and will try and enjoy it one step at a time, and hope that there are no more major injury setbacks.
by kickbrass on Oct 16, 2010 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps if you made an effort to understand fans' concerns...
For those who believe that the Blazers’ offense, as it has been constructed around BRoy, is deeply flawed, every indication that we are going down the same blind alley for the third year, triggers frustration, and disappointment.
Especially when we got our hopes up just months before by the report that Brandon was “working on playing without the ball.”
The Blazers approach to offense is serial. Try one play. Reset. Try another. And there are only about 6 plays!
Basketball is a fluid game, a game of creativity and, ultimately a team game. In other words, to be good, the whole has to be greater than the sum of the parts. OFFENSIVE RESILIENCY IS AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT FOR POSTSEASON SUCCESS. They shut down one option, another steps up. And not because the coach calls a different play. BECAUSE WE ARE PLAYING LIKE A TEAM AND WILL IDENTIFY THE OPPORTUNITY OUR OPPOSING DEFENSE IS OFFERING.
But instead we have Brandon banging his head against that defense again and again and again! Hard to get excited about this team’s overachievement during the season when u know they are eminently defendable come the playoffs.
So this outcry is not happening in a vacuum. Personally, I am still waiting for a response to the Houston defeat two years ago. I assumed it came in the form of Andre Miller. But then the juvenile reaction from Nate and Brandon to his arrival last year was flabbergasting.
So when Brandon makes the idiotic comments that he made the other day, it signifies the total failure of this team to confront its problems.
That’s why the big reaction.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
That's fine...
…you’re entitled to your opinion. But you should say "Perhaps if you made an effort to understand “Some” fans concerns….because not all of us are looking at a handful of pre-season games, and a simple comment by Brandon and concluding that this team has totally failed to confront it’s problems.
Let’s throw the ball up in the air, and at least get a few games in either the W or L column before we conclude that we are heading down any blind alleys…
Feel free to be as frustrated and disappointed as you want…but at this point? I’d rather not.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
agreed!
Got to remember its preseason! The point of preseason is NOT for Brandon to prove ANYTHING. Just get his legs and bring it when it counts.
you make sense.
but my point is that this angst you are seeing is based on two years of blazers action, not a couple of preseason games.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Not for me...
….I look at the last two seasons as The Blazers returning to playoff contention from perenial lottery status and almost franchise oblivion. I don’t have a lot of angst built up from the past two seasons.
But I do agree that a majority of fans are hungry for more. But I’m not going to start complaining about whether this Blazer incarnation can provide it or not, before the season has even started.
Thus I do think a lot of the angst, from “some” of the fans is based on just a few pre-season games, a few comments….and foreshadowing failure instead of championing potential success.
There is a segment of Blazer fans that pick up the glass half filled, look at it, throw it on the ground and step on it.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Oct 18, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i certainly understand where you are coming from
and I would not fault you for your perspective. But you are the one writing a post complaining about those of us with a different perspective. My point is that it is inaccurate to characterize our perspective as based “on a few preseason games.” It is not. Anyway, rock on!
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
i would agree with most of your comment
i agree the offense is extremely limited and for the most part; completely motionless. i’m just not ready to call it a total failure yet. like it or not, the Blazers lost in the playoffs to the better team. better coached? yes! better players? unfortunately, i think so. as far as makin it to the Finals someday? my opinion is the Blazers will only get there without Nate, or maybe a slight possibility of gettin there WITH Nate lettin GO (Greg) of his system…
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Oct 19, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
excellent post!
totally agree. lighten up. watch some basketball. stop bein so negative.
Hell, who knows? it might even be fun to watch…
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
by Brendan Holladay on Oct 18, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
of course
the flip side of that is it might be terrible, frustrating, and agonizing to watch. can’t wait either way!
kObe iS thE aNtiChRiSt
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