Rose Garden Music
I having been going to blazer games regularly since I moved to portland in 2006, including full season (2006-2007) and quarter season ticket packages. One thing I've noticed over the years is that the RG is getting worse about pumping in music during the gameplay, and after the first preseason game, my friend and I couldn't believe how often the music was played.
What really struck me, aside from the obnoxiousness of having to listen to horrible beats/music while trying to watch the game, was that the music typically would stop during the dead ball periods and start back up when the game resumed. We couldn't understand why the music was pumped in during the gameplay but stopped during dead balls. It may seem like a small thing to some people, but I don't understand why anyone would want to have music playing during the game, and i find it annoying while trying to watch. As much as I hate the Lakers, I can respect that at their home games, there is little to no music playing while the game is going on. What does the BE community think about this?
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I was at the first preseason game
but I don’t remember them playing music during gameplay but NOT during dead balls. I have noticed in the past that they have done both but I seem to remember the music lasting for small bursts, not throughout the game.
I did find it odd when they played the music during the game, but it doesn’t bother me that much. I don’t find it to be that much different than the defense chants, or charge music, or all the other gimmicks that are played.
I can't talk to anyone I go to the game with
and when I contemplate bringing my kid to his very first game I also think about getting earplugs because he’s still young and likely to get scared by the volume. Then I figure earplugs are too much trouble so he doesn’t go.
Need I say more?
—Dave
Blazersedge Night at the Garden
becomes Blazersedge Night Staring at Each Other Wondering Who Is Who. If we want to meet and talk we have to do it at a venue outside the game or go out to the concourse.
—Dave
If people want to talk, they can use texts on their phones.
Just like how fans do it most other arenas.
I will run naked through the streets if Oden wins the MVP this season...happily.
I got some kid-sized earmuffs for my 1 year old
We took him to the game on Monday at the MC. He ends up pulling them off his head pretty often, but the MC game was pretty quiet compared to the RG regular season games.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Oct 14, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Well,
When I brought my wife (then gf) to her 1st blazer game, she needed ear plugs too. But not because of music.. it was cause the RG was just flat rockn’ due to a BRoy-lead 4th quarter comeback! (love those!)
by Flu Like Symptoms on Oct 14, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This is something that really annoys me
I personally can’t stand listening to rap/rock/pop/etc. If something I’m listening to has that kind of a beat to it, I shut it off. And really, what is the point of playing the stuff? Usually, it’s because the real hype and emotion is missing. It’s an attempt to build fake hype. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have the real emotion that comes from fans cheering their team on than the shallow variety that comes from blasting music with a heavy beat to it, and I’m guessing the players would too. I can understand it at certain times, like timeouts, introducing the team (more on that one in a minute), etc., but during play? Please…
About the introductions, why, oh why, did they choose O Fortuna? Go read the lyrics. Is that really what you want to use to cheer the team on? Tell them that there is nothing they can do, that everything is in the hands of fate, and fate is hopelessly unfair. Really? Yes, it’s a nice dramatic piece of music, but if you’re looking for a dramatic piece of music, you might as well go with Verdi’s Dies Irae (lyrics here). Please change to something like Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyrie.
The other thing that really bugs me (and there are probably a lot of people who disagree with me on this) is the way the national anthem is sung. Pop-style singing tends to draw attention to the performer, rather than to the song they are singing. For the national anthem, I feel that the attention should be on the song, on our country, on what our country stands for, rather than the singer. This gives me goosebumps (as does this, though for a different reason), this does nothing for me. I find the vocal effects to just be distracting. Can we please sing it straight, and save the fancy stuff for other songs? Let the focus be where it belongs. And I say this as somebody who loves to sing, and is not averse to embellishing it from time to time (though not in the pop style). There’s nothing wrong with it in general, but I personally don’t feel it belongs in the Star Spangled Banner.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
Good god man.
Do the flashing lights and bright colors bother you also? Are the player’s uniforms becoming too pretentious With their names splashed all over the back as well? I don’t mean to be rude but your world sounds very boring. I don’t like music during a live ball situation but i think you are way off track.
by Mattco26 on Oct 14, 2010 4:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Boring?
No, my world is never boring. :-)
Where do you think I’m off track? I’ve commented on a few things, which of them do you disagree with? All of them? I’m happy to explain further, but you weren’t very specific.
And if you flat out call me crazy, you won’t be the first. ;-)
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
Well lets see.
Anyone who discounts any music with a “beat” to it and claims to be a musician/singer gives me the impression that the rest of their opinions are just as crusty and or crazy. But, having said that, you are right about blasting music in arenas where there isn’t much crowd participation, and the Rose Garden isn’t in that category so said music shouldn’t be needed. As far as the anthem, I’m not a fan of R&B style “runs” all over the song, but I’ve never heard someone go way over the top at the RG.
To clarify my off track comment:
If I were the RG operations guy, we wouldn’t have any music when the ball is in play, the same crowd involvement chants that we have now would stay, and there would be some music played during long time outs and before the game. Most people would probably still enjoy themselves and not notice a difference.
If you were the RG operations guy, the team would come out to Ride of the Valkyrie, but not before the National Anthem is recited with all the emotion of a moldy piece of bread, followed by silence other than monotone player substitution announcements until the end of the game. Most people would probably notice and think it was very odd.
I’m sure you’re nice and all, I meant nothing personal by it.
I'm not discounting music with a beat to it
I’m saying it isn’t to my taste. Yes, I’m a musician, but I’m a classical musician and a church musician, not a pop musician. There is enough variety in classical music (an plenty of emotion) that I feel no desire to try to like pop/rock/rap/etc. Maybe all we classical junkies are totally insane, but if so, I like being insane.
I think you’re taking what I’m saying further than what I meant in your comment about what it would be like if I were the RG operations guy. I recognize some people like that type of music. There are probably people out that who don’t care for classical music. The RG has a responsibilty to cater to the tastes of all who go to the games. While I don’t like most of what they play, that doesn’t mean I think they should completely stop playing it. Ideally what I would like to hear is a mix of different types of music, but only during full time-outs, half-time, and before the game. But they need to be listening to the mood in the building. Maybe early on the crowd isn’t getting going, then some music might be appropriate. If everybody is on their feet screaming and a timeout is called, maybe they should skip the music. Ideally, though, the best thing would be for the music to not be needed. If we’re playing LA, and the crowd is chanting “Beat LA” through half-time, we don’t need music.
You can have plenty of emotion without doing a whole bunch of vocal effects. All the trills etc. don’t necessarily add emotion.
The Ride of the Valkyrie is just one example. There are many many more pieces of dramatic music.
Nothing personal taken, I’ve got a pretty thick skin.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
curious what you think of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShkYLA3YYY
"Kingdom livin' is a full-time job; every day, I be clockin' in."
by JelaniGNatural on Oct 14, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It's better
I still think it’s a bit much, though, and I personally find that what you did at the very end to be really distracting. Like PDXBuckeye said, people ought to be able to sing along if they wish, and it’s hard to sing along when you don’t know what the singer is going to do next. You’ve got a great singing voice, though. Would you be willing to do a recording of yourself singing it straight, without all the ornamentation, so that people can see the difference between the two?
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
I agree with the national anthem bit
it should be sung simply and plainly with everyone in attendance able to sing along if they wish.
I don’t mind some music during the game (although I would prefer not during play). There needs to be more room for spontaneous chants and cheering, far too often the fans are drowned out by the sound system before anything cool can get started. It is almost an artform to get a good chant going.
I found myself picking my spots by season end, my friends would look at me weirdly when I di not join in, but at that point I knew it wasn’t going anywhere so decided to save my voice for that small sliver of time they give to get something really going.
I sit in 315 next to those guys in 314 that get most of the chanting that happens started. Frankly the minor league Timbers offered a better fan experience for a less exciting (although quite good) product.
The Rose Garden is great when it gets rocking, but it does not get rocking as much as it could because of all the piped in crap…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
As long as we win games...
I don’t care about what songs they play and when they ate played. Literally could NOT care less.
This has become
the worst thing about the rose garden lately.
I want to watch basketball, hear the sneakers and players voices, not pink or gwen steffani.
3rd down... chainsaw noise please.
Fatsos criticizing Athletes
Once a man in front of me kept screaming “oh, come on” over and over. I must’ve counted 22 times in the 1st half. I wanted to choke him and demand that he provide variation in his heckling. That idiot ruined the game for me. And yes, the music sucks.
There's always going to be SOMETHING
that makes seeing an NBA basketball game live less outstanding for you as a viewer. Driving around for half an hour looking for free parking, paying exorbitantly for garage parking and then waiting 45 minutes to get out after the game, loud music/other noise in the arena, drunk/heckling fans in your general vicinity, long lines for the bathroom or concessions, overpriced food and drink, tall/wide person obstructing your view. The list goes on and on and on… None of these things are EVER going to go away; it’s part of the experience, like it or not.
My recommendation?
WATCH THE GAME ON TV AT HOME.
Save time, energy, MONEY, and most importantly, don’t waste pixels on all of our computer screens with whiny threads like this one.
Many of us are forced to follow the games from afar (due to jobs/school requiring us to live away from Portland) and would love to be able to get to see games live at the RG, not to mention countless others IN Portland who either can’t afford tickets or can’t get them but would LOVE the experience of seeing a live game. If the RG experience bothers you so much, why not just leave your seat open for someone who would really appreciate it?
I love going to the Blazer games
still does not mean I would not like to see them tweak their in Game experience…
And what is whinier than whining about a whiny thread anyway? (probably pointing out that whining about a whiny thread is pretty whiny, aside from that then?)
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Airing one's grievances
about what they consider imperfect about the in-Arena experience is a silly use of Blazersedge. I can’t speak for everyone who voiced a complaint in this thread, but I’d be willing to bet that most of them would say that at the end of the day, the best way to experience a game is live, in person, at the RG, even if NO changes to the current in-Arena experience are ever made. So what’s the use in belaboring the matter?
And as you suspected, you answered your own question about what’s whinier than whining about a whiny thread. Congratulations.
Go Badgers on Saturday, by the way.
Is it silly?
The Blazers are trying to deliver a good fan experience at the RG. They do read Blazersedge, how better to get a feel for what the fans think? If they see a lot of people saying that they find the music at the RG to be distracting, and lessening their enjoyment of the game, they may rethink how they are doing it.
I can say this, though. I’ve never been to a game at the RG, and it seems unlikely that I will ever have the opportunity to do so. However, if I did have the chance, the amount of music they are playing (and not just playing, but blasting so loud as to make conversation impossible) would make me think twice about taking that opportunity.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
I've been to probably 50-60 games or so
since the Rose Garden opened in ‘95, and I can’t once remember the music being even CLOSE to too loud to carry on a conversation with someone next to me or to make a phone call. That said, if you plan on spending any measurable portion of the game talking to someone you live with/see all the time, you should probably just stay home in your living room anyway. When I go to the game, I try to, you know, watch the GAME. In the spirit of this thread, if I were forced to pinpoint one thing that annoyed ME the most about the live game experience, it would be having to listen to the asinine personal conversations of people sitting near me who were clearly given free tickets and have no interest in the game itself or don’t even understand basketball. The only time it’s ever too loud to hear yourself or anyone else talk is when the Blazers are on a run and the fans are getting really loud and into it (which is quite frequently these days). If THAT would “make you think twice about taking the opportunity”, I would recommend never setting foot in the Rose Garden.
You may be right
It can be hard to judge from a video stream, but when I’m turning the sound down because of the music that is coming through the commentators’ mics, that is the kind of thing that is going to make me think twice.
I wouldn’t be going to a game to talk, believe me. It’s not often that I even get to watch a game at all. But at the same time, if I want to talk to somebody next to me during timeouts, then it’s a problem if the music is so loud that I couldn’t. I would rather not pay to get my eardrums blasted by music that I don’t even like listening to.
By the time you have the music suppressing fan interaction (as PDXBuckeye was saying up above), then it’s starting to be a problem. Usually, one of the best ways to deal with problems is to talk about them. I’d rather have discussions like this than the endless “how can we get CP3/Lebron James/other player that I like” threads that have been going on all summer…
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
Trust me.
The music played in the arena doesn’t impede on your awareness/interaction at all unless you’re REALLY sensitive to noise. Microphones, by definition, are intended to increase the decibel level of natural sound, so while I’m not surprised you have to adjust your volume based on what comes through Mike & Mike’s mikes (proud of myself for that one), what you actually hear in the arena doesn’t affect your consciousness in the same way.
I think ghostface przybilla’s response to the original post had it right. They play more music during the preseason. This I think is what likely brought up the original post in the first place. Since the games don’t actually count toward anything, more of an effort is made to keep the excitement level up, and less concern for the players’ concentration is harbored (and in turn, the players probably aren’t as concerned about their own concentration being compromised by loud music).
by looster401 on Oct 15, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Groan...
That was a horrible pun, but those are the best kind. Wrecked…
I think my original point still stands, though, that this actually is a worthwhile discussion.
When the world knows Nico Batum as "The Inevitable", I'll be very happy with where he is as a player.
Where do you sit?
Because the last two times I have been have been deafening…once almost literally in the pre-game music blast by Storm Large. If you’re up against a wall on the lower level I can see where the noise might be blocked off a little, but seriously, I’VE been with multiple people multiple times and none of us could hear each other without speaking very loud in each other’s ears up close. I am not making this up and it’s unlikely that 4-6 people (different groups each time) would all have such a unique sensitivity to music that moderate levels of it would drown out everything else.
—Dave
mmeh
for me it is not so much about blocking conversations
The stuff they pipe in knock out fan chanting and so forth. I don’t mind some music and what not, but they just need to figure out how to give fans more “space” to start chants and so forth…
I would rather be in an arena full of chanting and screaming fans throughout a game than listening to loud recorded music and sound effects…
As I said in the early part of this string I love the games live and the experience, I just think there are things they can do even better.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I don’t have any issue with the music played during the games, or the volume at which it is played. May not always be a song I like, but I recognize I’m not in the majority in that regard. I suspect anyone with complaints is no stranger to angrily fleeing their homes to chase cars down the street for bumping their “hippidy hop” tunes too loud.
I will say that I consider our pregame montages to be extremely poor in quality, in both song choice (is anyone really pumped up by the ubiquitous “Welcome to the Jungle” anymore?) and the editing of the video itself.
they always play more music during preseason
it wont be like that during the regular season
thrilla
by ghostface przybilla on Oct 14, 2010 6:44 PM PDT reply actions
I agree, somewhat
I think it would be cool to have a special night, at least one home date (maybe against an obviously inferior team) where there’s just silence. No pumped music, no DEE-FENSE chants, no cheerleaders and T-shirt guns, just the sound of guys running up and down the floor, the occasional yell, and the sound of the ball.
That, I would love to watch.
Having said that, I love hip-hop and R&B and I generally dig the beats and stuff that they play throughout. I don’t think it’s always overpowering, though they could have a bit less of it.
The O Fortuna and Welcome to the Jungle is kinda overdone, though. It’d be nice to see something else… there’s a lot of music out there.
I do like the fact that they let the players pick warm up music.
"Kingdom livin' is a full-time job; every day, I be clockin' in."
They could mix up the intros a bit for sure
but I bet they think it is a branding thing and you can’t change your brand all the time the marketing expets say.
I don’t mind the music, although I would prefer less of it during game play.
I just want more space for actual crowd interaction…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Never been to a PDX game
but I don’t ever remember music being played in the Key Arena. Maybe some noises as the shot clock ran down.
I can’t imagine any team playing music DURING the game. That is awful. I’m surprised the players don’t complain about it.
I love B Edge almost as much as I love B Roy and close to my love for B atum
Shhhh!
As a season ticket holder, I try to enjoy the non-game aspects of attending, but man, they make it tough. If the Blazers are listening at all, I hope you’ll understand that this is one event where some of us aren’t looking for sensory overload. 10 years ago, it was a delight, but with iPods, video games, loud people on TV, and the general pace of life, it’s just – annoying. Mechanized, predicable, mediocre, and annoying. Game after game. My girlfriend feels the same way.
Enough already – turn it down.
by Engineering Problem on Oct 17, 2010 12:23 AM PDT reply actions

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