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Media Row Report: Blazers 105 Grizzlies 109

For masochists that take a strange joy in watching a basketball team give away a game in the most frustrating way possible, the Portland Trail Blazers 109-105 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies in Portland Tuesday night had it all.

A fourth quarter comeback to get your hopes up?  Yes. Double-figure scoring from six different players to get your hopes up even further?  Yes. Particularly hot shooting from a maddeningly inconsistent wing who seems to finally be putting it together?  Oh yes.  

Higher and higher and higher you go until it's Blazers 104, Grizzlies 96 with less than four minutes to play on a home court where the Blazers always hit the big shots, always get the calls, always find a way to milk the clock and eek out the victory.

And then. Boom.  The Cardinal sins came raining down, painting the court red.

Give up an offensive rebound on a missed free throw?  Check.  Turn the ball over? Check.  Have your superstar defer to your octogenarian power forward when a single basket would have iced it?  Check. Have your superstar force up an errant shot to make up for the previous possession, claim two offensive rebounds and still come up empty? Check. Foul to stop the clock and then turn the ball over again, leading to a breakout layup? Check and check and check.  Get careless with the ball while running off some time with the score tied in the final minute of the game, allowing a over-ballsy referee to make a game-altering call?  Check.  Have your superstar defer to a tertiary scorer who has been hot all night but isn't known for sinking daggers in the final 10 seconds? Check. Miraculously get to the foul line with a chance to tie with less than five seconds, only to miss the first free throw and then forget to miss the second free throw on purpose, all with no timeouts left? Check and check and check.  

That, ladies and gentlemen, was the shocking final four minutes of the game tonight.  The Grizzlies outscored the Blazers 13-1 in that time period, the only Blazers point coming when Jerryd Bayless accidentally made a free throw he was supposed to miss.  A pyrrhic make, if you will. The Blazers missed their last 5 shots and committed 3 turnovers during the stretch. If any one of those five shots goes down the Blazers walk away victorious.  If any one of those 3 turnovers doesn't happen -- especially OJ Mayo's strip of Brandon Roy at midcourt with 21 seconds left that led to a more-than-surprising loose ball foul on Roy --  the Blazers hold on.  

The grotesque final stretch -- ok, just call it a meltdown -- obscured what was an overall solid team performance. LaMarcus Aldridge was back in the lineup after missing time due to a sprained ankle; he was effective, although limited.  Both Bayless (13 points on 5 of 10 shooting) and Martell Webster (21 points on 8 of 15 shooting, including 5 threes) found their strokes again.  Roy was his typical efficient 27/3/9 self. Juwan Howard broke out his flagrant foul hatchet on Marc Gasol and added 13 points. Despite being short-handed, they were in a position to win this one.

Instead, Memphis took it.  Mayo had a sparkling 27 points and 2 steals and was crucial down the stretch. Zach Randolph again went off in a return trip to Portland, finishing with 27 points and 14 rebounds. Gasol had 18 and 10 and seems to improve by the month.  The Grizzlies have far more talent than anyone (even themselves?) has given them credit for and they were able to put the pieces together at the end.

Portland meltdown or not, this Memphis team deserves to be above .500.

Random Game Notes

  • After the disappointing loss, Nate McMillan gave what I believe was his shortest post-game press conference at a home game this season.
  • Both Brian T. Smith and Joe Freeman are reporting that the Blazers will waive Shavlik Randolph tomorrow as predicted here on December 30.  No solid word yet one way or the other on whether Randolph will be offered a 10 day contract as was anticipated.
  • Despite metal detectors for the fans, there were no additional security measures in place for media (as far as I could tell).  After the foul call on Roy at the end, though, I was thanking my lucky stars that the home crowd had been metal detected.  I haven't heard so much loud, vile language since I listened to a Dontonio Wingcast interlude.  The Rose Garden jumbotron operator tried and failed to quickly pan past a man who was giving the two-handed one-finger-salute to the referees only to encounter a young lady excitedly doing exactly the same thing.  This after cutting away from another man who seemed to be quite upset -- outright shouting! -- about his ducking tadpole. Oh, the humanity.
  • Pre-game note: Sam Young still has an ugly shot.  The assistant coach working with him on his ball fakes looked like he was trying really hard to pretend like he hasn't just given up.  And yet there Young was, going 3 for 4 during the game and adding 4 rebounds.
  • How many people in the world besides Brandon Roy are comfortable with Martell Webster taking make-or-break shots right now?  
  • On that note, it is absolutely possible for a bonafide star to be too unselfish in the NBA.  It so rarely happens that it seems impossible. But it's possible. And we just saw it tonight.
  • Before the game, Marc Gasol was wearing one of the now-ubiquitous blue NBA Fit t-shirts. A member of the Memphis broadcasting team asked him if the shirt was an advertisement for Gasol's sleaked-down conditioning. Get it?  Because he's slim and dominant now and he used to be overweight and not as good. FIT.
  • Zach Randolph slipped and awkwardly twisted his knee just feet away from where Greg Oden went down with his patella injury.  The gasps were sustained and audible.  I admit to cringing and looking away.  It seemed impossible that Randolph would stay in the game, much less go to the foul line soon after the slip. 
  • Jerryd Bayless was (how does one say this politely?) "abrupt" with the media during his post-game comments. 
  • No Dre in the fourth quarter? No accident.
  • LaMarcus Aldridge reported re-tweaking his ankle during tonight's game, stating afterwards that it affected his play and that he was thinking about the pain during the game.  Although he was less than 100% in tallying 11 points, 7 rebounds and 3 assists and was dominated again by Memphis's frontline, Aldridge filled the minutes better than any other available option.  Tough situation for Aldridge to be in.  He didn't look pain-free after the game.
  • Speaking of which, Jeff Pendergraph's legs were iced out in the locker room and I'm not talking diamonds.
  • Doug E. Fresh joined DJ OG One as the third quarter break entertainment.  He requested that Portland sing along to the words of Sweet Home Alabama while he beatboxed into the microphone.  It was unclear whether Mr. Fresh realized the scope of the geographical distance between where he was performing and where he was singboxing about.  
  • That being said... half-hearted group singboxing Sweet Home Alabama 2,000 Miles+ away from Alabama >>>>>>>>>>> Avery Watts.
  • Heisman finalist Ndamukong Suh was in attendance tonight.  My favorite celebrity to attend a Blazers game so far this year with the possible exception of Ken Griffey, Jr.
  • Paul Allen was not in his courtside seat again.
  • Attention "drones": Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm has a message for you.

Nate's Post Game Comments

Call on Brandon Roy at midcourt.

I don't think you make that call that late. I didn't see the contact. That's a big call late in the ballgame. Minimal contact is what I saw. You know, that's a tough one.

What are your emotions right now?

We had a game that we let slip away. You have to execute down the stretch. We got control of the game. We had some shots that we got to knock down. We had about five or six shots down the stretch that didn't go down. That's the difference in the game.

Roy's drive and kick to Martell, was that a designed play?

It was just what he's been seeing. If he can get to the basket, he gets to the basket, if the defense collapses, kick the ball out. We had a couple of those. Howard had one that rimmed in and out. Martell misses one. I think Bayless may have missed one. Those are opportunities that we have to capitalize on. 

Team's composure in last 4 minutes?

Well, again, I thought we fought back. That group fought back to get back into the game. And then making plays. We have open looks that when you get those shots you have to knock them down. And we didn't do that.

4.3 seconds to go, no timeouts, Bayless misses first free throw, did you think about him missing the second free throw?

We wanted him to miss it. He didn't get the call.

Brandon went up and said something to him?

We wanted him to miss it. And because we didn't have any timeouts and to see if we could get lucky. 

54 points in the paint.

It's killer. 54 points in the paint. 27 second chance points. I mean, we just got pounded. Really, the last two nights in the paint. I thought the first half the bigs, Zach and Gasol, controlled it and the second half, the fourth quarter, we started to play like we've got to play all year long. We don't have our centers. Our bigs have to be scrappy, have to be dirty down in the paint. And tonight this team averages 52 in the paint and they get 54 so a lot of the damage was done there.

No Andre in the fourth?

That group got us back. We were down and they got us back. Bayless was attacking. Brandon was with the ball and Martell had some shots going so I stayed with that group.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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smh

I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.

"Did they really expect me to bow down to Jesus?!?" ~Sophia

by Philthyanimal on Jan 6, 2010 2:11 AM PST reply actions  

Ditto and a rec

Remember it wasn’t always Jordan who beat you. Sometimes it was Paxson or sometimes Kerr. Not always Kobe, sometimes Fisher or big shot Rob. Roy needs an outlet on occasion. And I would love it to be Marty!

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 6, 2010 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Martel was hammered

that is why he missed that shot and he is ready….

by MPP24 on Jan 6, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I kept thinking that the ref's apparent decision to "let them play" ...

… effectively negated the fact that Portland had Memphis in the penalty. They basically told Memphis “It’s ok to play agressive and physical.”

In my opinion that’s an advantage in situtations like last night.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

reminds me of teams like Utah (and Pat Riley's Knicks, back in the day)

Jerry Sloan will have his team hack repeatedly and dare the refs to make every call, plus the local Utah fans have been conditioned to whine whenever one of their boys gets any call made against him

the refs are human, they can usually be turned if there’s enough fan/coach pressure

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree and rec

The defense collapsed and our best shooter was wide open in one of his favorite spots. I know people like to second guess everything … but c’mon.

by sanjait on Jan 6, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless is a good player

 That said Miller would have been the better choice towards the end of the 4 quarter. He has ice in his veins and can shoot free throws when the pressure is on. Miller played great ball and his reward was to sit on the bench the ENTIRE 4th quarter, mistake made by Nate. It hurts. Miller deserved better by Nate. Nate put a lot of pressure on Bayless to produce in the 4th towards the end. I kept on thinking just put in Miller!! I almost wouldnt blame Miller if he wanted out, why play hard when your reward is a bench the entire 4th quarter??

   Now I dont know if we would have won with Miller late in 4th quarter but I would think it would make more sense to put him in place of Bayless who has been inconsistent. Miller has excelled with Blake being out. Congrats now sit on the bench the entire 4th quarter while we play rookies and shoot long distance shots. Also Roy needs less minutes not more. I know he is our star however I do worry the team might be giving him too many minutes.

by Baddog992 on Jan 6, 2010 3:36 AM PST reply actions  

I can see the logic in trying to get Bayless crunch time minutes if you are evaluating him

That said losing a home game to a .500 team in the process is bad if you want to make the playoffs. And further alienating Miller seems like a dumb move unless a trade is imminent. Then again if you’re going to trade him you have to showcase him.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

further alienating Miller seems like a dumb move unless a trade is imminent. Then again if you’re going to trade him you have to showcase him.

Agreed. If you ask KP if he’s interested in dealing MIller he’d probably say “Andre is a big part of this team, etc” Sorry, but your coach is treating Dre like a role player

The good news is, there’s really no need to “showcase” Miller. Everyone in the NBA knows what he can do, and games like Monday at the Clippers show that Andre still “has it” when he’s given the opportunity

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

If you're not a star, you're a role player. Andre is a role player -- and a good one.

I don’t know that I would have played Andre either. He seems extraordinarily challenged with ball security. Then again, Roy let himself get picked for the L, so I guess that’s much ado about nothing…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jan 6, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

well, if Roy was hurt...Miller would be in there at the end of games

but you can only have one alpha dog leading the sled

whatever the Miller “experiment” was when he was signed back in July, I don’t think the Blazers “thought through” all of the late game ramifications

Andre should be flipped to a contender who needs all of what he has to offer

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Henry Abbots view:
As it happens, in this game Miller was minus-11, and Bayless was plus-seven. If you’re one of those Blazer fans livid at McMillan for benching Miller in the fourth, that ought not be the final word in proving McMillan was right. Remember, this is a tiny sample size, that may well mean nothing. Could be random noise. But it ought to at least open your mind to the idea that he might have seen something. It ought to open your mind to digging in further before forming any emphatic view, or arguing too loudly that the team was blatantly better with Miller in the game.

by The Thinker on Jan 6, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Earlier in the season I made the uncharitable remark that Martell has never hit a big shot

in his life. So I think it’s good that he gets some chances. When/if he wins a game it’ll be big for him. He’s starting to look like he might possibly actually turn into something. Good for him.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 6, 2010 3:38 AM PST reply actions  

I agree!! I'm happy Webster has been able to get consistent minutes and has played better each game. Also with all of the injuries he

hasn’t had to worry about getting yanked with any mistake he makes. So he is probably playing better due to this as well.
Webster was FOULED on that last 3 point shot. I saw the replay. His arm was hit.

by Natsthecat on Jan 6, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny report, Ben.

Thanks, it made easier to swallow that pill.

by amlmart1 on Jan 6, 2010 3:51 AM PST reply actions  

Poor Avery Watts

First, Mr. Watts’ hometown, pre-planned, sensational breakout is largely ignored and even ridiculed by the few fans who didn’t flee to the concourse as soon as the first guitar riff shrieked out of the Rose Garden speaker system.
Now he faces continued ridicule on the Blog of choice for discerning Trail Blazer fans.
The man should fess up and admit he’s from Sacramento.

by FlyingOutlaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:09 AM PST reply actions  

His website has a link to his myspace

Which claims Los Angeles, California.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

cought the end on the replay of the game. I can't believe they called an offensive foul there was nothing.

Roy tapped the ball back to himself. The refs really cost us this. Webster got fouled on the open 3 and nothing. What was the spread on this game?

by BRoyInThe4th on Jan 6, 2010 4:26 AM PST reply actions  

There was a series of calls at the end that made me wonder if the refs had their $$ on the Grizz

No doubt. Still the Blazers should have been able to pull this one out. I hear people whining a lot about abusing refs and I wonder if they are aware of the nature of sporting events in other ‘less civilized’ countries. You should thank your lucky stars that people are only gesturing at refs who are incompetent. Frankly all NBA refs are lucky that fans chose to overlook the fact that they were robbed by at least one NBA refs for years.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

They missed a few early as well

Like Mayo’s (?) travel.

I will admit, I LOVED the hard foul by Howard. I often find myself screaming for one of our players, to put whoever is abusing us inside, on the deck.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I liked the foul

and I had no problem with it being called a flagrant. If the NBA wants to crack down on guys taking swipes around guys’ heads when they barreling towards the basket at full speed, more power to them. I don’t see how anyone can, in good conscience, call for Ariza to be suspended multiple games for hitting Rudy while complain about Juwan getting called for a flagrant. Yes, Ariza’s but worse, but not multiple orders of magnitude worse.

You’re still sending a message to Gasol whether the Grizzlies get the ball back after the FTs or not, though.

#52

by Royster on Jan 6, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

It was nice to see. And he actually did go for the block instead of grabbing him by the shoulders, which is much less dangerous.

It was an obvious flagrant 1, with the new rule change. But a good flagrant 1.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I think flagrants are actually the one thing

that are called fairly consistently in the NBA now (outside of the 1 game leaving the bench suspension). They’ve set the bar for them a lot lower than a lot of people would like, but it is what it is.

I’m just sick of people using one of the most egregiously dangerous fouls in NBA history (Rambis’s clothesline) that should have led to an ejection any way you look at it, as an example of how the NBA should call things. Really, a foul that started a bench-clearing brawl should be the baseline that we use?

My main qualm is how easily suspensions are handed out. Short of straight up punching a guy on the court, I think an ejection at the time would be enough punishment for 99.9% of in-game hard fouls.

#52

by Royster on Jan 6, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Isolation is fantastic

The song by John Lennon is very much underheard but as a bball strategy isolation is overrated. This team excels at standing around.

by jiminut on Jan 6, 2010 6:21 AM PST reply actions  

Not bad

as a Halo map either!

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Jan 6, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

To me, Miller lost the game for the Blazers with 3:31 to go in the 1st quarter

Miller broke both of Sam Young’s ankles causing the crowd, my wife, and I to gasp then instead of making a wide open jump shot, like every other player that wide open would make, he dribbled past Young and was fouled by Young with no free throws.

Had Miller made taken that shot, than most any NBA player would have made, the Blazers would have been tied with 4 seconds left and Bayless on the line. Bayless would have probably made those two free throws because of the reduced pressure on him, and the Blazers would have won the game.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 6:22 AM PST reply actions  

That sounds suspiciously like the, "Domino," theory.

You set a couple million up and they all fall in a specific order once you tip the first one.

 A great point! Backed up using the pure science and impartial dominos.

More on the theory from Wiki:

Besides playing games, another common use of dominoes is standing them on end in long lines so that when the first tile is toppled, it topples the second, which topples the third, etc., resulting in all of the tiles falling. Arrangements of millions of tiles have been made that have taken many minutes to fall. By analogy, the phenomenon of small events causing similar events leading to eventual catastrophe is called the domino effect. The phenomenon also has some theoretical relevance (amplifier, digital signal, information processing)[citation needed], and this amounts to the theoretical possibility of building domino computers[citation needed]. Dominoes are also commonly used as components in Rube Goldberg machines.

Phrases such as, “Undeniable argument,” and, “Pure genius,” would not be misused in this case.

#52

by KINGofMACct on Jan 6, 2010 6:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It kind of reminds me of the last NBA Today Podcast

Ryen Russillo and Henry Abbott were talking about how Coach Mike Brown saves Anderson Varejao for late in the game and Russillo asked why does he need to be saved? If he helps the Cav’s get a five point lead in the 1st, isn’t that better than putting him in in the 4th when they are down by 5?

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I see the connection

 But must take a different angle of perspective.
    This angle is much more simple (I’m a very simple person and not that smart)
 
The guts; A comment that attempts to re-focus the post on someone’s personal agenda , thus, sidetracking the whole conversation . IMO It’s a clever, but narrow, way to attempt to grandstand and focus attention outside of the true topic.
    I would have to assume that it is all in fun, but there seems to be a reasonable amount of hate towards a person, by continually using Miller as a personal scapegoat for his team’s pitfalls. I will assume that this could simply be nothing more than “comic relief” or even a “calling card for argument”, but It gets annoying, when the topic gets filled up with nonsense. I mean, if I want to be amused by someone’s clever wit and sarcasm, I don’t think a basketball forum is where I’d go. I’d rather hear from people that actually know about the game or have some insight, or factual information. We all have opinions that get argued in here, but the sidetrack stuff belongs in what you people call the “junk drawer”. It’s not correct (IMO) to use Miller as a tool of conversation to have your comments remain on topic.
   The rest;
   However, I will concede that comparing it to the domino theory does parallel where and how this thread (temporarily) took over the conversation…..Like dominoes (or should I say Rube Goldberg machines), you get it started and make it amusing enough to keep people following it to the very end.
    This is what Tom is very good at doing. I don’t know if it is his objective, but he certainly is amusing enough to keep people “hooked”
 
PS. This is just a comment and opinion..nothing more than that.

add;
   
  Miller is an asset to this team, not a liability. Adjusting to him and using him correctly is the responsibility the team owes this veteran player. The players and coaches also owe more respect to KP for attaining a player that can help this team (they new exactly what they were getting when they signed him)…is he an all-star player ? No, he certainly is not. He has marginal talent, but so do many role players on this team. He gives them a new look they didn’t have before and adds some flexibility to the offense. No one has given him credit for his ‘Iron man" tag…..something the Blazers surely do need.
   He is getting payed to play (so far he’s done that to the best of his ability)
      Some could question whether Oden has earned his salary…Except the people that are still in the stands…anticipating…..

by WyEast on Jan 6, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm wounded

Fact: Miller is the source of all the Blazers problems and most threads would stay on topic if he was gone.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand

But why does Miller have to be the one sacrificed? I know you have seniority, but since we need Miller right now (playing for the Blazers), would you mind taking one for the team?

Ps; I don’t think I hurt you that much

by WyEast on Jan 6, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you are mistaken here.

It’s senility Tom has, not seniority.

Or was that just a typo?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

If Miller wasn't here

We would be having fun arguments about Nate being a poor coach because he’s not starting Bayless over Blake because Blake is not a starting point guard. Heck, as it is, Bayless should be starting now, instead, Nate is forced to start Miller because he is ineffective off the bench, he’d complain to the media even more, and it would destroy his trade value.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

So this means you won't take one for the team?

 Besides I thought you were having fun with Miller

I’m going to shut up and give you the last word. It’s only fair since I chose to take a jab at you in the first place…I mean, I could have moved on, when it didn’t really bother me that much…..It was raining outside and my wife wanted to use the computer, so I decided to camp out and be a butt-head. But now it’s getting close to diner and I do want to eat…..

Ps there has been plenty of whining on this team…Roy did his share, along with LMA ….When this stuff gets to the media, it’s exactly what they want…I would bet that Miller was baited into much of the talk (being the new guy at the center of discussions)
    Gee, the odds were stacked against this guy. Coming into an established team with a set pattern of play and used to playing without a legit point guard (who knows what they told this guy when they signed him?)…. however, you have to be a man, rise above it, and let your play do the talking.
   But, again it’s a team issue. This team’s first controversy (and indeed a minor one) was not handled too professional by anyone, including the coaching staff…In other words, Miller was not received with open arms, especially by his teammates….

by WyEast on Jan 6, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

however, you have to be a man, rise above it, and let your play do the talking.

As Juwan Howard did. I know he’s older and Miller still has something to prove, but look at the professionalism. Miller says he’ll be professional about it but isn’t with his subtle bad attitude and backhanded jabs. He really aught to look at Howard and just emulate that.

by jamon51 on Jan 7, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I would like to rise above it

But I’m too old to let my play do the talking anymore…
   Seriously, I understand what you are saying. Miller blew up and Howard has been a model…
    However, they came to this team under different pretenses. Miller was supposed to help us at point guard and become an immediate fixture (or at least led to believe so) Howard was essentially (in good game shape) but out of a job. Portland got him cheap as insurance and also veteran stability . Most thought he would ride the pines all year and still be happy with it….When called on, he was ready. But he is also ready to go back to pines when the time comes.
    If it was actually good for the team, then I would say, Miller on the bench is OK (shut up and play)…but it’s not good for the team…he needs to be on the floor. Portland has some issues on offense that a true point guard like Miller can help with.
   Sadly, they are struggling with this, but it is not all on Miller. He is not a professional communicator (as noted) But he is a professional NBA caliber point guard….that is what he was signed on to be . So it’s up to Nate and the rest of the team to help integrate his style of play into the system. He’s not a bust….. not at all…. and IMO he should fit this team a lot more than he has been allowed to exhibit, so far

by WyEast on Jan 11, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller lost the game months ago when he signed with this team

and by the game I mean ’ signing with a team that would use him correctly’

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 6:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It can go farther back to his childhood

Poor coaching and parental guidance failed to teach him the importance of making a wide open jump shot.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

46% career FG, 14.5 ppg career ave

I wonder how many guys w/o a jumper can claim those numbers over a decade in the NBA. It’s only under Nate that he’s dropped off a cliff. Coincidence? No.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

What's Obama shooting from 3?

Because that’s about as relevant a question. Three’s aren’t Miller’s role. his role is to dish, drive and deliver the biscuit. which he’s been doing – fantastically, I might add – but if he’s not in the game he can’t help you win it.

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet Obama can shoot better from 3 than Miller

The role of the point guard in the Blazers offense in crunch time if for him to space the floor for Roy.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

What's the point

is Roy won’t take the shot in crunch time himself?

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

That is the point

If Roy drives into 3 defenders, the smart play is to throw it to the open guy.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Not if he's never made a game winning shot in life it's not.

Actually I do sort of agree here – I don’t think kicking it to Martell was a BAD decision, but I’m not gonna say it was a great one either. Not until Martell proves he can sink that shot under pressure, that is.

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

He should have been kicking it to Rudy, Batum, or Blake.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

So we have to wait for him to hit one, before he can shoot one?

When does he get the chance? In his back yard? At the Y?

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

There should be something he's good at, besides talking.

(Waiting for the flagrent foul call.)

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by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's trade Miller for Obama,

I’m ready for “change”. This one is stale.

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by Berkeley on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't Miller on track to shoot the most 3's in his career?

If not, it’s close. I think he’s already up to 3rd on his all time attempts list.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Another thing -

the addiction to perimeter shooting around here (and I mean in the Portland locker room, mostly) is borderline ridiculous.

3 pointers are boring. Besides that, they’re fascist. Score some points in the paint, it’s more democratic.

;^)

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I think when the Blazers lose Tom goes ' We just didn't knock down the shots we normally do"

Fun fact: If you go 10 for 10 one night and 0 for 10 the next night, you didn’t ‘miss shots you normally make’

You actually ran into a phenomenon knows as ‘variance’

Fun fact #2: The closer to the baskets the shots you are taking are, the less variance you will see!

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by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Hehehe...

I think my Bull Durham quote speaks to Fun Fact #2 quite nicely.

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope

As you can see here, I blamed Miller for being afraid to take a wide open shot for the loss.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

So you're saying a game can't be lost in the 1st quarter?

I’ve seen teams get down by 20 or more in the 1st and lose the game by 20 or more.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

What I'm saying...

is that when you’re up by 8 with 3 minutes left and you let the other team go on a what? 13-1 run to close the game out, blaming the loss on a single 1st quarter play is stretching a bit.

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

See there's the diffence:

You just want to pin this on Miller, whereas I’d like to actually put the blame where it deserves to be: on the TEAM. Which includes Nate.

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Why assign blame at all?

An outmanned Portland team lost to an up and coming young team on a hot streak in the 2nd game of a back to back (including a late arrival home from a road game) with some assistence from the officiating.

Even if you discount the ref’s, I still don’t see any reason to be blaming the team, individual players or the coaches.

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by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been hanging out here for pert near 3 years

Placing blame on one play is what Blazersedge does.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I know.

That’s not detering my crusade to change the situation.

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by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

It's easier to give up and do what everone else does

Just pick a scapegoat. I got two, Miller and shooting coach John Townsend. I picked a favorite stat (EFF) and my favorite player is Webster.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't do that.

I’m in the process of trying to be more like my wife. Since she is Korean (and female) that requires that I become extremely hard headed and stubborn.

Fortunately I’m already predisposed in that direction.

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by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Then we have something in common.

I too consider Joel as one of my favorite Blazers ….. because he’s cute and tough.

Having lived in Minnesota for awhile, including Monticello when Joel is from, also helps.

I also consider Blake as one of my favorite Blazers. It’s because he’s tough (though not so cute) and a Maryland grad. Of course he could be a serial killer and I’d still like him simply for helping bring a National Championship to Maryland.

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by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It's funny when people take you totally seriously

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Jan 6, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

hmmm.

i’m relatively new here, so maybe i don’t know when tom is being playful or less-than-serious. but his anti-millerism is clear as day, and, imho, totally unfounded.

lucky for tom, the only reason dre is getting prime time minutes (in quarters 1-3, that is) is because of injuries. nate clearly doesn’t like the situation either, so as soon as blake is back problem solved.

isn’t that right, tom? since blake is supposed to be back Friday, i’ll be expecting him to win the game for the blazers.

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I know you don't

that’s why I said totally. But that bit about 3:30 in the first quarter was classic Tom.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Jan 6, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You're being a "bit" generous there.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jan 6, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Phil Jackson..who MAYBE knows as much as you do about Basketball

(this is in response to tominhawaii) said: Basketball games are not won or lost in the 1st quarter.

by Natsthecat on Jan 6, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Had Miller made taken that shot, than most any NBA player would have made, the Blazers would have been tied

If you step off the path and squish a butterfly, I can’t be held liable for the consequences, centuries down the road

one by one I pulled out a thread, and where has it led?

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe in killing as many butterflies as possible ...

… just on the possibility that I might be influencing world events, climatic change and changing future history.

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by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

some critical eyes on the damned

 or should I say, scorned …..You know as well as I do, Greg lost the game. He just didn’t come to play last night. One thing I can say though; he didn’t miss any wide open jumpers.

ps: Was wondering if you wrote this from memory or did you tape the game and go back and look for highlights? Maybe this particular play just stuck in your mind?

by WyEast on Jan 6, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't really think he needs taken out of the game, unless it is the last 5 minutes of a close game

I admit he is a better play maker than any of the other point guards, I don’t want Blake starting either. Right now it’s a matter of the lesser of two evils. I have also trained myself to only watch Miller and only remember what he does wrong.

by tominhawaii on Jan 6, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

completely agree and rec

You wrote everything I would have if I hadn’t just shrugged, thought “They’d be lauding him if Webby had made it,” and moved on.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Jan 6, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

My observations:

1. I don’t understand Nate’s rotation at all. Dre having a good game and no mins in the 4th? Using 7 players the second night of a back to back?? Guys were clearly tired. Between the ridiculous rotation and the lack of a game plan in the fourth quarter…one of Nate’s worst coaching jobs of the season imo. If you don’t like Miller, trade him for Christ’s sake.

2. Why is LMA playing right now? Sit him back down until he can contribute. Mystifying.

3. Eight minutes of Roy isos coupled with really bad defense down the stretch was the real culprit for this loss. Not the refs.

4. That said, that call at the end would never have been made on Lebron or Kobe. Why is it made on Roy at the end of a home game? That was horrible defense by Mayo, the first rule is DON’T REACH. There was a lot of arm there. I don’t get that non-call on Mayo let alone the loose ball foul. Mystifiying.

5. I didn’t have any problem with Marty taking that last three. It was a great look. Unfortunately we lack big-time players right now who can make big-time shots.

6. The NBA is not family entertainment. Between the strippers, the drunk fans and the frequent audible cursing from the players themselves NBA games are PG-13 at best. If you think the NBA is family entertainment, you are a lunatic. Therefore I don’t have any problem with paying fans abusing referees who can’t do their jobs. Then again I would never pay to watch a broken product in the first place.

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by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 6:49 AM PST reply actions  

2 open 3s and an open 20 footer

pretty easy shots that the team had been hitting all night

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#52

by cloudydays on Jan 6, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Right On brother!!!

The NRA ( National Referee’s Association) keeps wondering why their product is not selling….Maybe they should actually go to a game once and awhile. Basketball junkies will always keep coming back but it is the casual fan who is not spending a dime on this product anymore that is slowly defining the NRA.

by dawgman47 on Jan 6, 2010 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

hmmm...yeah

""..Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own . . . "

by LetsBlaze on Jan 6, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

AGREED.

You’re dead on the money with #’s 1-3 there my man.

by pdxrob on Jan 6, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...Dre has been killing it last couple games. Doesn't make sense at all.

I thought Nate has gotten over going with a set of rotation of players in the 4th and started going with guys with hot hands, but I guess old habits die hard. Don’t understand why you wouldn’t want your best ballhandler and passer in late game situations, but then I’m not the coach. (which seems to be rather popular sentiment this season)

Our guys fought hard for most of the game, though. It’s too bad the last 3 minutes got away from them, but that’s why you play 48 minutes.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Jan 6, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Miller doesn't have the greatest handle

Mac went with the hot hand last night, the team that brought them back and gained the 8 pt lead. I agree somewhat that Miller was playing well most the game and probably should have played at least some of the 4th. But the players who were in there were playing well too. Hard call IMO, which obviously backfired.

I’m curious why we didn’t see any Dante, who’s been playing well.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

And the Iso after Iso after Iso was a big problem

It’s fine to go Iso at the end of a game, say the last few possessions, but not last 4 minutes, holding the ball until 7 sec on the shot clock, each time.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

We had an 8 pt lead with about 3.5 minutes to go

I just don’t believe in playing scared, while leading. Roy can get by his man a couple times in a row, in critical situations. But time and time again, holding the ball in a stand still, until 7 sec then trying to take your man off the dribble while he’s up in your grill and set, isn’t going to work 6 plays in a row.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...the rotation did brought us back.

I guess I phrased it a bit wrong since what I meant was since Miller was a having a good game up to 3rd quarter, he should get playing time in the 4th..that’s what I meant by “hot hand” instead of hot rotation. Just semantics, I guess.

Miller does force things and it sometimes end in a turnover. Still, I trust him to take care over the ball more than Bayless and his actual ballhandling skills are superior to anyone on this team. But, I agree that the main problem was that we went to the ISO way too early.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Jan 6, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Dre played until there was about 5 minutes left in the 4th

let’s get that right

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#52

by cloudydays on Jan 6, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

it's the post-Iverson effect

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

and Wheels talked to the Douhy fella who calls the Griz games

he’s the dad of the family the Blind Side movie was based on…Mr. Douhy said Z-Bo is showing incredible maturity and is the maon reason that Memphis is playing like a team

Blazers fans won’t like to hear this…but Zach “grew up” after he left PDX

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Hm..i don't know...

I always thought that when he was here, Zach did look for Roy quite a bit. Maybe it’s more of an issue of “other teammates just not being good enough” rather than “Selfish Z-Bo”?

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Jan 6, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

main

not maon

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Zach just looks more mature

Still no great defender, but he seems far less goofy and immature on the court.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Lots of Blazer fans still think

Durant is a one-dimensional scorer who hurts his team when he’s on the court, so at least Zach has company in their minds.

#52

by Royster on Jan 6, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

ugh

Durant is good

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by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

he still is a one dimensional scorer on offense

he does give effort on defense though, which is good

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Super Rodgers Bros.

#52

by cloudydays on Jan 6, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I still draft Oden

Durant would be a corner jump shooter in Nate’s offense, he’s better off where he is

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I still draft Oden at the time

But, unless Greg can come back strong and give us a decent facsimile of what he was supposed to be at draft time, I think we’ll have to put the idea that “I still take Oden, even with hindsight” to rest for good.

I doubt Houston’s regretting taking Olajuwon, and would do it again at the time, but that doesn’t mean that knowing how the next 18 years went, they wouldn’t take MJ now.

#52

by Royster on Jan 6, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

if Durant starts winning rings

then I’ll consider changing my tune, but I don’t think Kevin’s that guy

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I stick with Oden now, too

But at some point in the next few years if Oden can’t stay on the court, I think you have to say you’d rather have Durant. His floor at this point is a perennial all star, and it’s not like we’re talking about Allen Iverson here.

#52

by Royster on Jan 6, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Z-bo's playing great right now

But with the knicks and clips he was the same guy the blazers got rid of. Maybe he’s grown up, maybe it’s the environment, maybe the environment helped him mature. Or maybe it’s a blip.

Releasing him was a move Portland needed to make at the time. If it helped him eventually mature, hey, that’s great (except when he beats the Blazers, of course).

by Epimenides on Jan 6, 2010 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Randolph babbble

did anyone notice at the end of the game when Randolph was acting wiierd and babbling at the foul line and Rudy Gay just kind of looked at him like…." dude your good, but man your a sure a freak…".

by MPP24 on Jan 6, 2010 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

UGH...

I’m not going to say anything about the officiating or how the Blazers had a complete and utter breakdown in the last 4 minutes of game. I’m just going to refer to this year as the Blazer’s Lost Year and hope that they are able to make it into the playoffs. The west is really tough this year. I don’t think anyone is going to make it to 55 wins besides the Lakers.

by jenstcy on Jan 6, 2010 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

Plus, let's put this loss in perspective...

with what player the Blazers have playing (a few who are banged up) and with what the Grizzlies have playing… the Grizzlies are better.

by jenstcy on Jan 6, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

That's really the whole story...
Give up an offensive rebound on a missed free throw? Check. Turn the ball over? Check. Have your superstar defer to your octogenarian power forward when a single basket would have iced it? Check. Have your superstar force up an errant shot to make up for the previous possession, claim two offensive rebounds and still come up empty? Check. Foul to stop the clock and then turn the ball over again, leading to a breakout layup? Check and check and check. Get careless with the ball while running off some time with the score tied in the final minute of the game, allowing a over-ballsy referee to make a game-altering call? Check. Have your superstar defer to a tertiary scorer who has been hot all night but isn’t known for sinking daggers in the final 10 seconds? Check. Miraculously get to the foul line with a chance to tie with less than five seconds, only to miss the first free throw and then forget to miss the second free throw on purpose, all with no timeouts left? Check and check and check.

That, ladies and gentlemen, was the shocking final four minutes of the game tonight.

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by timbo on Jan 6, 2010 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

it was awful

""..Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own . . . "

by LetsBlaze on Jan 6, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, that is a poinant summary.

Quite enough without the pass outs to Martell or Howard when Roy covered. Those were legit plays.
No Miller in 4th when he has been playing well makes me cringe. So much to Nate/Andre reconciliation (a fantasy of mine).

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by Berkeley on Jan 6, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish Anre would play kiss Nate's ....so he would get what he wants!!! I'm SURE Nate knows that Miller knows...

Nate is a mediocre coach. A great coach for the underdog. A great coach for building young rookie teams. But not a great coach for veterans or championship teams. UNLESS…Nate learns something from this season.

by Natsthecat on Jan 6, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He also votes Republican ....

… and doesn’t believe global warming is for real.

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by timg56 on Jan 6, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

why is nate running roy ragged?

dude is absolutely beat right now and is battling a few injuries while giving his all out there. why not mix up the offense and give him a blow? why not play miller in the fourth quarter to give roy a 4-5 minute rest? seriously, i don’t get what nate is doing. we’re not going anywhere this season. there is no point to playing roy 42 minutes + on a constant basis while he aggravates, re-aggravates, and exacerbates injuries on a nightly basis.

kp needs to intervene now. either tell him to mix up his rotations, or bring in help for brandon.

by CleBlazer on Jan 6, 2010 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

Well, at least Rudy comes back soon

but I agree. Of course we should be trying to win the game, but Roy played the entire second half. And we’re surprised that Memphis could shut him down in the last 3 minutes of the game? Doing things like this in the playoffs make sense when he gets 3 months off and 2-3 days between every game, but Roy still has 4 more months of basketball to play this year.

#52

by Royster on Jan 6, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

the high pick and roll doesn't even work these days

partially because the pick (coming from either aldridge or juwan) is too weak, and because defenders are hedging on roy to double him up top.

it’s now just a straight 1-4 without a pick and roy going one-on-one. even more taxing for a hobbled roy playing in his 43rd minute of a physical game.

by CleBlazer on Jan 6, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It's basically either Roy gets fouled or the other team gets the ball

And refs are swallowing their whistles in re: Roy this season for whatever reason. Even teams like Cleveland don’t run Lebron isos for eight minutes to close a game.

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by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

If they hedge

Roy needs to stretch it and make the right pass, rather than go towards the hoop.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

They weren't running the high P'n'R

It was a 1-4 (low) UCLA set. They weren’t bringing the pick to prevent the Griz from doubling as easy.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

miller played in the 4th quarter...

"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"

Super Rodgers Bros.

#52

by cloudydays on Jan 6, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

why the zach do i keep thinking that he played until the 5 minute mark?

i swear that’s when he was pulled

"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"

Super Rodgers Bros.

#52

by cloudydays on Jan 6, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

and he looked pissed during those 9 sec

It was obvious he didn’t agree (and either did I) with him taking the low block so he could take the ball out of bounds (what happens if it’s a miss?). He was shaking his head looking around like WTF?.

And of course, the FT was missed and the Griz got the rebound.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

so, is that the problem ?

Andre too open with disagreements with Nate decisions ?
Just searching for an answer. Is this an “insubordination” problem ?(from Nate’s point of view, anyway)
“Bad attitude, your benched !” That would be so Mickey Mouse. Tired of this dysfunction.

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by Berkeley on Jan 6, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so

I’m sure Nate didn’t enjoy the first time Miller went to the press with his attitude, but I’d hope it’s not a grudge type deal. I’m not a huge fan of Miller, although I’ll admit he’s better than Blake. But maybe he’s just not right for this team. He hasn’t done ANYTHING until the past few games. Maybe he was just out of shape. Who knows, but Miller was pretty pissy last night when he went in and was on the low block during the free throws. He shrugged his shoulders, put his hands up and scoffed.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy starts slow every year, that I agree with

It’s not like Andre has been getting 10 minutes a game, here. He has pretty much sucked until the past few games. So Mac’s suppose to say, wait a minute, he’s sucking so I better start him and play him more?

I don’t hate Miller. I’ve never cared for his game, but I know he use to be pretty damn good. He’s been a shell of his former self, until now. If he continues to play well, he can be useful. If not, than he’ll get traded. But the pouting and talking smack to the media surely isn’t going to help the chemistry. Working harder in practice and games to earn back his god given right to start and play heavy minutes probably would.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

From that article
NBA coaches like Nate McMillan are risk averse, and understandably so. The idea is that when your star is being guarded by just one guy far from the hoop, he’ll just about never turn the ball over.

This has been my suspicion, as well. Conservative coaches want to run plays with as little “moving parts” as possible, to prevent mistakes in communication and/or execution

Have you noticed how often Barrett mentions Dean D. being “happy” when the Blazers have a small amount of turnovers? The Blazer’s staff is hyper risk-averse, which is why Portland plays with a slow pace, etc. That’s good for playoff preperation (a grind-it-out style will help win postseason games) but like Henry said it can be tedious to watch every night

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I love low possession basketball

Especially with a good defense. I hope they develop into a stifling defense someday. Would have loved to watch Oden and Batum playing together.

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by iDea on Jan 6, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

they'll most likely pick him up again afterwards

they’ll waive him to prevent having to give him a guaranteed deal.

by CleBlazer on Jan 6, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Because there simply aren't guys sitting at home

who are capable of contributing and willing to play at a minimum salary. Tolliver was one of the best players in the D-league and had a monster game immediately after he went back, but he wasn’t exactly a contributor here. Patty absolutely dominated his only D-league game and looks to be a long ways from being able to contribute at the NBA level for us.

We’re signing Shavlik, middling as his game may be, not because of BE’s infatuation with him, but because, of the guys available, he’s one of the ones that’s best able to contribute right now. Pretty much every guy that can actually step in and play more than 5 minutes is already on someone’s roster.

#52

by Royster on Jan 6, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

not gone yet....

he still here, I just saw him at Whole Foods

by MPP24 on Jan 6, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller Time

Andre Miller was terrific last night… until he got benched. He lead the team in rebounds with 10 and was 7 for 11 from the field. Miller gets guys open looks and dunks… his passing is contagious and he scores in the paint. It frustrates me that he doesn’t have the ball in his hands in the 4th quarter.

by Polish Chocolate on Jan 6, 2010 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

yeah, Andre was active on the O boards last night

just one more of those sneaky offensive rebounds and put-backs (or made FTs) could’ve made the difference during the last 3 minutes

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by two4larue on Jan 6, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

the whole deal with getting Andre was for him to help us during those scoring droughts and give Brandon less ballhandling time

in other words to get away from constant easily-defendable Roy isos to end games

yet here we are…

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by leeroyjenkins on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Tough, tough loss last night...

Everyone here had great comments: a lot went wrong; strange calls; strange coaching decisions; brain lapses; etc.

For me it was the toughest game loss of the season. Really seemed like a “must-win” given the upcoming schedule.

A lot of grouchy grumblings heading out of the Rose Garden last night and down the sidewalks…

One more clutch shooting option would have been nice last night: Travis? Rudy? Blake? Sigh…

Zach is still a persistent, pesky, lucky tippin’ schmuck isn’t he? Dang those little put-backs!!! grrr…

by Knobby on Jan 6, 2010 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

those "putbacks"

were because no one blocked out……and is trademark Zach…..Sorry Blazers, do your homework , and use the fundamentals to get it done…..As I have often said, you leave out fundamentals and you will end up with more “L’s than W’s”

by WyEast on Jan 6, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The refs or the players?

A little of both, but the game last night really underscored everything wrong with the NBA. As much as the Blazers blew it, the refs sucked all entertainment out of the game. They easily decided the outcome of the game which happens all too often. That steal needs to be fought for by the players. If Mayo grabs that for a fast break, Roy is going to either steal it back, block it or we get the same result – a foul to prevent an easy bucket.

What kills me is that Nate’s post game comments will probably get him fined. Is David Stern’s cleaned up NBA really working? Fans were going through metal detectors. The dress code is obviously fooling everyone into thinking every player is an upstanding young gentleman. Between Arenas and his Mexican standoff in the locker room and, well, the Nuggets, who is buying it?

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jan 6, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

Wtf?

Gotta agree about Sarge not playing Miller in 4th quarter. Wtf? What is up with you, Sarge?

by Sheedwasright on Jan 6, 2010 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

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