Game 46 Recap: Blazers 97, Hornets 98
Long Story Short
The Blazers fall one point shy of an amazing victory which seemed all but in hand with 2:00 remaining. Despite some incredible individual efforts by long-lost friends team defense just wasn't strong enough to carry the game.
The Game Story
Please note that since I was in attendance at the Rose Garden in a totally amazing section with totally amazing fans (more on this later) I did not have the usual access to up-to-the-minute stats and trends. With the commute time from the arena this report is already late so I'm going to guesstimate on the stats while describing the game.
The game started out in rocky fashion for the Blazers as the Hornets came out of the gate shooting approximately 800% from the field. New Orleans had the perfect game plan: take the ball inside and force the Blazers to compensate. None of their first four makes came farther than 6 feet from the hoop. In Portland's defense (not that defense should be used in the same sentence as "Portland" while describing the opening of this game) the fielded Yet Another Starting Lineup-a sure-fire Blazer blog name if I ever heard one-this one featuring Jeff Pendergraph at center and Steve Blake at shooting guard. Even if you have amazing individual defenders in the end defense is a team effort. Guys who are unfamiliar with each other will hesitate rather than anticipate. That's exactly what happened to the Blazers. As soon as the ball went through a seam in the defense everybody froze. Dunk, layup, chip shot...New Orleans goes ahead 24-8. Just when all looked lost, though, the Geezer Patrol took over. After Juwan Howard entered the game with 5 minutes left he and Miller started lighting it up, finding the seams in the Hornets' defense just as they had exploited Portland's. Meanwhile Rudy Fernandez and Martell Webster sparked a little defensive rally, stalling the Hornets for a couple of minutes with energy and opportunistic plays. It was enough to prevent complete disaster in the quarter but the Hornets still exited with a 31-23 lead.
One of the things that frustrates me about the NBA is that teams are seldom content with doing what's predictable but effective. New Orleans, for example, made hay on the inside throughout the first 12 minutes and developed a significant lead thereby. So what do they do in the second? They figure it's time for the smaller players to score. And apparently smaller players' shots don't count unless they come from 20 feet or more. So they started passing the ball around the perimeter and heaving. Meanwhile the Blazers were energized by the return of one of their old friends, Nicolas Batum. One might expect that coming off of a season-long injury he'd work his way back in slowly. Mais non, mon frère. Batum started with an aggressive drive to the hoop and never looked back. I don't think he attempted a jumper in the game. It was all to the cup. He also got busy on defense, staying in front of whoever he guarded and disrupting both pass and dribble. Meanwhile Jerryd Bayless, sensing weakness in the Hornets' attack and commitment, began to look for his shot. Rudy and Martell followed suit. All of a sudden everyone was charging hard, everyone was running the court, everyone was sharing the ball with his neighbor, and the Blazers were taking the sting out of the Bees. The Hornets never converted a field goal closer than 10 feet in the quarter. Portland left the court happy at the half, up 2, 49-47.
The third quarter told a different story, as Chris Paul finally came out of his years-long hibernation against the Blazers and scored approximately 8 billion points in the period. He started with 2 three-point jumpers and never looked back. The Blazers responded in typical fashion...by shooting long shots themselves. A couple went in but in general it was a bad plan. LaMarcus Aldridge turned the trend around with a shot from the paint and from that point on Portland fought harder for their buckets. In the end they weathered Paul's barrage and took a 73-72 lead into the fourth.
The final period began with an offensive display by Jerryd Bayless and Rudy Fernandez. Bayless hit a jumper and then assisted on 2 Rudy threes. The Hornets, meanwhile, returned to their inside ways, scoring on a 5-footer, a layup, and 2 free throws. After the first flurry the game was still within 2. There it remained for the middle of the period as each team frantically tried to score and neither one could. A Dante Cunningham jumper off of another Bayless assist and a Marcus Thornton jumper off of a Paul assists were the only tallies until the 6:30 mark when the Geezer Patrol took over again. Juwan Howard made a nice layup and then Andre Miller assisted on the next three Portland buckets, all in quick succession. The most spectacular was a Rudy Fernandez steal at one end, a dash down the court with Miller, and then a nice layup at the other. The crowd was going crazy as the Blazers took a 9-point lead with 5:00 left. The Hornets scored three times on three plays immediately afterwards but the Blazers, behind Howard and Fernandez (the latter a victim of yet another flagrant foul) did the same. The clock had bled to 3:30 and the lead was still 8. One stop and one bucket might well have broken their backs. But that was as high as the lead would get. The Hornets finally played their trump card at point guard. Actually they kind of cheated by playing two point guards, Paul and Darren Collison, together. Portland had trouble stopping either earlier in the game and the results weren't much better late. Paul started the festivities with an "and-one" layup. When he drew attention he flicked it to Collison for a three. The scene repeated seconds later for a 15-footer. Portland, meanwhile, had trouble setting the offense, ending up with the Geezer Patrol posting up by default. Neither Miller nor Howard could score at this juncture, though. Perhaps it was late, perhaps New Orleans was more energized, perhaps one-on-one with the game on the line just wasn't their thing. Whatever the cause, the end result was a 1-of-2 trip to the line by Andre Miller summing up Portland's scoring. That single free throw kept Portland ahead by 1 with 1:20 left. David West and Chris Paul each missed jumpers. Andre Miller continued to miss off of posts on Portland's end. Then West got free inside, the Blazers collapsed to cover, and West tossed it to Chris Paul for a wide-open 15-footer. 3 seconds remaining, New Orleans had recaptured the lead by 1.
The Blazers sent out Fernandez, Bayless, Webster, Blake, and Aldridge for the final play...Webster apparently on an illegal out-and-in substitution. Bayless ended up with an 18-footer from the elbow for the win. It hit the back iron and the game was over. I have no problem with Jerryd getting the last shot in general. He's shown that he can put pressure on the defense. The main thing that went wrong here is that the ball was inbounded to Blake first and then went to Jerryd, forcing Bayless to put up the jumper. If Jerryd is going to have it in that situation I want him able to drive. He hasn't proven that jumper yet. Another Blazer should have been taking it. It was like going to hear a great Obama speech and watching the Pres pull out a tennis racquet instead. OK...maybe you do that decently, but we want the oratory, man! Bayless with 3 seconds driving for the layup and forcing the refs to make a call, great. Bayless with 1 second heaving...not as good. It was a tantalizing end to an emotional roller coaster ride. It was hard to leave unhappy but it would have been a honk-your-horn, chant-on-the-MAX night had that shot fallen.
Portland shot 47.6% to New Orleans' 51.5% but the Blazers actually made 5 more field goals by virtue of 84 shots attempted to 68 for the Hornets. Both teams shot 47-ish% from the arc, New Orleans hitting 1 more three than did the Blazers. Portland outscored New Orleans 46-32 in the paint as well...a surprise given the way the game started. Portland had more assists and obliterated the Hornets on the offensive boards. So what happened? Two things. First New Orleans shot 9 more free throws and made 10 more than the Blazers. Second when the game was close at the end the Hornets had more star power and knew exactly where they could get shots. The Blazers were making it up as they went, taking 3rd-quarter shots in the closing seconds.
Individual Notes
LaMarcus Aldridge hit a few shots in the lane tonight, which was nice. Overall it wasn't the kind of game we needed from him, however. He ended up 8-19 for 16 points and 6 rebounds. He had 2 points in the fourth quarter, those coming off of a Miller alley-oop. Other than that he missed 2 jumpers and had a turnover in the quarter. Part of it is the Blazers not going to him down the stretch but part of it is him not demanding the ball in crucial moments and getting aggressive with it. Frankly speaking, when this team is healthy LaMarcus not needing the ball late is an asset. Roy handles that job. Failing that Outlaw does. We don't need another guy who wants it as much as we need a guy who will cede the spotlight to Roy and Outlaw when it's time. But with both of those players out the void is obvious.
You love Andre Miller's 10 assists, most of which were filled with energy and a couple of which sparked the team. You love his 5 rebounds too. You don't love the defense, though that could be anticipated against this opponent. You don't love his 1-8 shooting night which was less anticipated. You don't love him missing free throws. You don't love the offense starting and ending with him on those crucial late possessions. It looked like he was trying to do too much out there.
Martell Webster led a zinging defensive comeback in the second quarter and played adequately in the remainder of his 34 minutes. 14 points, 2 blocks, 3 boards. He responded well enough to the fuller roster.
Speaking of fuller roster...hello Nicolas Batum! We missed you. Nic played a sparkling 10 minutes which made you think he's been using his time off to think about his game as well as rehab that shoulder. It looks like he mixed a little Bayless in with his Webster. He's still quick and graceful. The man ought to be on Dancing With the Stars. I'll settle for Dunking With the Guards. 3-5 shooting, 6 points, nice D.
Speaking of fuller roster...hello again Rudy Fernandez! We missed you, even when you were back. This looked like the more typical Rudy night with the added wrinkle of him helping out big time on the boards. He had 7 rebounds, many of them as the third guy inside. He also had 3 assists and 2 steals. It's not so much the stats, it's that they show he was doing more than just trying to score. He's really shown the other facets of his game this year...or at least the willingness to flex those muscles. He also canned 2 threes and scored 12 points overall, showing a wee bit more confidence in his shot than we've seen lately. Unfortunately he also got clocked again with an opponent flagrant foul, this time at the hands (or more accurately, forearm) of Marcus Thornton. And this after getting smacked in the face on an earlier drive. Somewhere, somehow Rudy's name has shown up on opposing scouting reports as "soft" and "gets disrupted by contact". The fact that it's him over and over again isn't a coincidence. It's a bummer when that happens. Two responses are needed. First, Rudy himself has to keep making the opponent pay every time it happens. He has to get up, shake it off, and hit every resulting free throw plus some shots afterwards. Second, the big guys have got to continue sticking up for him. Somebody may need to throw down eventually to get the message across. If a young, poor big man gets a fine and suspension for coming to his aid Rudy needs to be a gentleman and pick up half the cost plus dinner. But he's got to have some support. This is how trust is built.
Steve Blake played a little bit of active defense, grabbed a couple rebounds, dished a couple of assists, and missed a bunch of threes. He ended up with 9 points on 4-8 shooting overall, 1-5 from distance.
Jeff Pendergraph got the start and had 5 boards in 18 minutes but was a little overmatched against Okafor. Juwan Howard had the better go of it with 16 points and 7 rebounds in 33 minutes regardless of the opponent.
Jerryd Bayless played 13 minutes in a game where he probably should have had more as we needed his scoring. Rudy was playing well, though, and Miller has been playing great lately. Maybe Blake's 22 minutes could have been lessened. As it turned out, though, Bayless probably should have had more of ‘Dre's time tonight. He was 5-8 for 12 points and 5 assists. My suggestion is putting him out there with Fernandez and Batum, as both can handle the ball a little. Rudy was bringing it up the court often tonight, in fact.
Dante Cunningham got 7 minutes and had 2 points. Nic's return is likely to affect him most of all.
Final Thoughts
I was really, really hoping that the last shot would fall to send the Blazersedge Night kids home happy. There were indeed 400+ there and the unbridled joy and cheering was amazing to see. I had a bird's eye view from the back row over all three sections over which the kids were spread. It was like every stimulus was a fountain evoking joy and mayhem. Serious props to those young fans and everyone who came with them for representing how to be a fan.
Though the win would have been appropriate and even more joyous, perhaps the lesson is stronger in falling just short. Not everything in life works out like it's supposed to. Sometimes life isn't perfect. But it doesn't matter as long as you're together, have a common cause, and enjoy yourselves along the way. There will be other games. The score of this one isn't that important. What's important is that you came, you cheered, and you showed your heart and passion in those high-level seats the same way Rudy and the Blazers were showing it down there on the court.
Thanks to everyone who came. Thanks to everyone who helped send our guests tonight. Thanks to the people who came by to say hello, to Lisa Swan of the Trail Blazers for helping us set this up and believing in us, and to the entire Blazersedge Family, which I hope is 400+ people larger because of tonight. It was a great evening. We'll have a fuller report this afternoon.
Check out the opponent take on this game at AtTheHive.
The Jersey Contest scorer is still on the fritz but your entries tonight were registered and thus are unaffected. We'll probably have the correct totals up tomorrow. The one consequence will be that Wednesday's game will have no form. Take the night off and be ready for Friday.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Nate's up and down season continues
What on EARTH was Blake doing playing so many 4th quarter minutes while Bayless was on the bench?!
Why not Miller, Bayless, Martell 1, 2, 3? Miller, Rudy, Martell?
Nate in coach of the year midseason discussions? Give me a break. His Blake obsession can’t be tolerated while guys keep returning healthy. This team is just too talented.
What will you complain about
Next year?
Keep the faith.
by fajunga on Jan 26, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If KP does his job.....
……and trades Blake, mercifully, it will be something else.
Are we not supposed to notice? Is the answer shut up and be happy? Ignoring this situation does not make it go away.
by upper left corner on Jan 26, 2010 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
complaining non stop about it does not make it go away either
none of us are coach or GM
My guess is that raising a hue and cry does have some minor impact
People in the Blazer organization probably read this site from time to time. If there is a general consensus that Nate is overplaying Blake, my guess is that that information probably filters back to Nate and KP,and may act as some small check on Nate’s thinking. At a minimum, we can hope that Nate feels like he has to justify his actions. People are watching, and they do notice when Nate frequently makes poor decisions about the rotation.
How do you sit a player for twenty minutes, and then ask them to go back in stone cold to take the last shot with the game on the line? If the guy is good enough to take the last shot, he is good enough to play for more than 3.4 seconds of the last seven and a half minutes. Nate’s seeming mystic faith in Blake is deeply troubling. It is at the heart of the problem Miller had in adjusting to the team. It is stifling and limiting Bayless’ development, and it is costing us games.
by upper left corner on Jan 26, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Assuming you are correct ... about it having some impact,
… then I guess I’ll continue pointing out how assinine it is for fans to think they are capable of being a better coach than the guy who has the job title and responsibilities.
And it gets tiring to see people come here and vent over and over about the same topics. It isn’t that you can’t get frustrayed about a particular play, player or coach. I do nearly every Blazer game. All the words we can’t use here (and then some) get shouted at my tv on a regular basis. LIke " ____ Blake, attack the rim or shoot, don’t dribble in and then out." Or " ____ ____ LaMarcus, enough with the _ fadeaway’s. Get into the paint and shoot from 5 ft in." Or “______ ______ _ Miller, stop running down the shot clock with your dribble.” and “Andre you worthless _, hit a damn free throw.” I want to foam at the mouth when I watch us up by 8 points and with possession with just over 2 minutes in the game, only to see the score tied a minute later.
But here is a little tip – once the game is over, I return to being a rational, thinking adult. I don’t feel any compulsion to point fingers or assign blame. I don’t think I’m a basketball genius, with all the answers Portland needs to go 82 – 0. I don’t try to judge people who are doing something I’ve never done. I recognize that it is only a game, that no team goes 82 – 0 and that in another night or two I’m going to have the opportunity to see my team again.
Apparently, this is beyond the abilities of some fans here at BE.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
by timg56 on Jan 26, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I know that I am not a BB genuis
My knowledge is basic and limited. That is part of why it amazes me that Nate continues to play Blake as much as he does when almost every statistical indicator and my eyeballs suggest that he is a less productive player.
I know it is just a game, and agree that the bitterness of some fan complaints goes too far.
I am primarily here to improve my fan experience. I would like to understand the game better. When the coach makes decisions that don’t make sense to me, I want somebody to explain them to me, or I at least want to voice my opinion. Free expression of ideas and discussion of concerns is a good thing.
by upper left corner on Jan 26, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We aren't BB geniuses
and that is what makes the whole Blake imbroglio so frustrating. If a moron like me can see that he is not as helpful to the team as two other guys playing the same position, then why can’t the coach, who knows dramatically more about basketball than I do?
I’ve said before elsewhere that part of me admires Nate’s loyalty to Blake, and that I very much admire Blake’s effort, grit, and heart. But quite honestly, he really isn’t more than an adequate back-up PG, and would be better used as a 3 pt specialist.
Miller clearly is the best PG on the team. And we’ve started to see what Bayless can do when given the minutes. Those guys can address one of the weaknesses of this team because they both would rather attack the basket than settle for jumpshots. Yet Nate continually goes back to a player who’s forte is jump shots.
It doesn’t matter to me whether Blazer management comes on this, or any other forum where fans like me spout their opinions. These forums are really just the modern day water cooler, and gives us all a chance to vent frustration or jubilation at our team.
It is not, as timg56 suggests, a belief amongst any of us that we have the ability to help the Blazers go 82-0.
You don't strike me as a moron.
Neither do most of the fans here.
As to the Nate – Blake thing, I don’t really know why Blake gets as much time as he does. I can take guesses, but that’s all they are. Lacking the knowledge to explain Nate’s usage of players, I reach the following conclusion – there is a lot more to the game than I understand.
Now this conclusion does not automatically mean that Nate is a genius and totally justified or beyond questioning in his use of players and substitution patterns. But it does keep me from calling him names and suggesting that I have a better idea of what he should be doing. I can express that I felt Andre should have been starting from day 1 or that Bayless should be getting more minutes than Blake. Doing so is just letting others know what I’m thinking. It isn’t necessarily a criticism of the coach, let alone labeling him as stupid or the wrong guy.
PS – for the record, I’m fine with Steve Blake getting minutes. I don’t care if it is as a starter or not. I think he is a better player than many give him credit for.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
REC timg ... with capital letters.
If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!
Hopefully not Nate ......................
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Eh
Perils of watching live. Then correct it to “I want Bayless to drive 100% of the time in that situation.” If it was going to be a jumper I would rather have had anyone on the floor at the time take it other than Jerryd.
—Dave
Really?
I think Jerryd is young enough and cocky enough not to be bothered by the pressure. Martell has never been a guy to make big shots in the last minute. LMA only does so when Brandon creates and passes him the ball for a wide open shot (that’s happened maybe 3-4 times over the last 3 years). Juwan got a shot late that looked like Charlie V’s hands were still around his throat.
Blake makes some big shots on occasion. Jerryd has made some big ones, too. Those would have been my preferred options, probably Martell next. Andre would have been the best choice if there had been seven seconds left instead of 3.9 or whatever it was.
The real problem was that we didn’t give Jerryd a crunching screen to go around.
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
I dunno
I’d understand Jerryd normally, but for last night’s game, I would’ve much preferred the primary option to be any of LMA, Webster, Rudy, or (gulp) Blake. Webster, Rudy, and Blake were “on” last night to varying degrees and each had been in the game recently so were fairly warm. I understand him (Jerryd) being out there because he can give you what he did, but it really doesn’t make sense to me to make the primary option a guy who who has only played 13 minutes on the night, and hasn’t played the previous 7 minutes. If he’s going to be the primary option on a single final play, why wasn’t he out there any of the previous 7 minutes.
Now, that’s not to say I don’t think there were perfectly valid reasons for him to be on the court. If the play call were something similar to Trout’s original game winner in Memphis a few years back where Roy was the primary option and Trout came, collected the ball and drove for an awkward banker after Roy was denied. Similar to Pop putting Steve Kerr on the floor at the end of games when he was 37 or whatever. It’s a good outlet, but I don’t buy the idea that you want to have a guy come in cold and tell him to win you the game.
I think the playcall was motivated too much by a desire to burn the entire 3.8 seconds, though. With Webster, Blake, and Rudy, we could have almost assuredly freed them up for a quick shot by running them through some picks, but that would have left time on the clock for NO to have another shot, but it would have been difficult to get the ball to them for a good shot while using the full time. Giving the ball to Bayless up top and telling him to make a shot, as the case seemed to be, struck me as the easy way out. You almost assuredly weren’t going to get a great shot off, but you’d make sure that NO didn’t get the ball back, and you’d at least get some sort of shot (although probably low percentage with a quick, solid defender like Collison on him), with a small chance of a foul call (although fouls are never something you should rely on at that point), so the thinking makes sense.
Regardless, it seems like the desire that that be the final play of the game was weighted too heavily in Nate’s thinking.
#52
I don't think it was "make it the last shot"
Nate said he wanted Jerryd to get to the hoop.
Total minutes played might not be that indicative. Foul trouble kept his first half minutes low. He has a bad ankle, still. He made a couple plays, but seemed to be less effective in the second half. He still was the guy most likely to get to the hoop.
I could definitely have gone with Rudy for the final shot. But if I have a choice of Jerryd going to the hoop or Rudy spotting up, I’ll take Jerryd in that situation. Maybe in two weeks, when Rudy is really back in rhythm, I’d go for that. But I still wonder if he wasn’t a little shaken up, and was in there just to draw a defender.
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
in addition
one foul shot gets us overtime.
advantage Bayless?
RoadBlazer
It's less total minutes
and more not playing for the previous 7+ minutes. Besides, giving the ball to a guy 30 feet away from the hoop and telling him to take it in against a good man defender with plenty of help isn’t the best move in my book. Sure, Rudy had gotten hit a couple times, but if he was healthy enough to be on the court, than he was healthy enough to get the call. I don’t get your “in rhythm” argument at all, was he not having an awesome game last night? If he’s playing that well, why should it matter that he’s only had 4 or 5 games back, as opposed to Jerryd, who had also recently missed time?
As to the foul thing, when NO has been fouling us so little previously and you factor in the tendency to let all but the most egregious offenses slide at the end of a close game, I just don’t think that should factor in at all.
I would much rather a play drawn up for any of our three shooters who were shooting extremely well and had been in during crunch time than pulling a guy who hadn’t been in for any of the stretch run and making him the primary option. Like I said, it makes sense to put him in as an outlet, but not as a first option.
#52
Awesome?
No, it was a good game. He shot 4-7, 12 points in 28 minutes. I wouldn’t say awesome. Rudy doesn’t look to me like he’s all the way back, that’s all.
As to the last shot argument, if Rudy shoots a 3, by the time it drops through, there wouldn’t be appreciable time left anyway.
I don’t think the foul thing was a big factor (did I say it was?). It certainly was a possibility, though, Jerryd does draw fouls. But the main thing was he’d been finding seams to get to the hoop, and he was having success finishing at the hoop.
I’d have rather get the ball to Jerryd closer. We don’t seem to be able to get the ball inbounds very well. (Cue obligatory Blake bashing, but actually no one was getting open).
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
Awesome down the stretch, at least
3-3 from the field, 2-3 on FTs, 4 boards, 1 assists, 1 steal in the quarter. That qualifies as awesome to me.
#52
Fair enough
I don’t know if he was tired or hurt, but I would have kept him in the game, unless there are facts I don’t know.
#7 #10 #25 #52 -- #5 & #88 are back!
I have a question or two.
When you talk about Bayless not being in for the previous 7 minutes, what all are you taking into consideration?
For example, how many of those 7 minutes involved the Blazers building an 8 point lead? Didn’t they run off a 12 – 23 point swing (or something along those lines) during a portion of those 7 minutes?
Also, once the momentum swung back to NO and they went from 8 down to tied, how many opportunities did Nate have to substitute? Without having to call a timeout?
It is unlikely for a coach to make substitutions when he likes the way the 5 guys on the court are playing. The group on the floor was playing well without Bayless. To say they would have played even better with him on the court in place of someone else is speculation.
There is also a certain amount of reaction time that has to be allowed for before making a substitution. If a unit is playing well and then either misses on consecutive possessions or commits a turnover, it is not an automatic call to swap guys out. If coaches responded in a manner similar to what fans often call for, players would be coming in and out of the game every 2 minutes.
Finally, even when the coach decides he needs to make a change, he still has to wait until a stop in the action. Otherwise he has to burn a timeout. I get the impression that few coaches want to expend a timeout late in a close game just to make a substitution.
My point here isn’t to argue whether Bayless should have been in the game sooner or not. It is to point out that managing the rotation is not as simple a process as many people seem to believe.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I couldn't care less about the rotation down the stretch here
I’m not suggesting whether Bayless should have been in or not. To be honest, the actual player here is immaterial, more the wisdom in calling the final play of the game for a guy who hadn’t been on the floor for 7 minutes, if Rudy, Blake, Webster, or even Roy hadn’t seen the court for most of the 4th and then was subbed in and told to take the final shot I’d feel no differently about this.
Thanks for the lecture on rotations, though, it’s enlightening to learn that the coach has to wait for a stop in the action to sub a guy in. And here I was under the assumption this entire time that it was just like hockey and you could throw guys on the court on the fly. Learn something new every day.
#52
Congratulations on the 400+ kids
In the long run in the arc of their lives, their experience tonight will be more important than a single W or L. Someday, in years future I hope we’re fortunate to maybe read or hear of one of them saying that they can saying that they can’t even remember whether we won or lost, but that they came away with something deeper.
-jayfisher
Webster should have hard (clean) fouled Chris Paul before his layup 'and one';
Nate should have called RUDY!!!’s number for the game winner.
That’s the toughness they need to win… pushie-pushie jaw-jaw scrums doesn’t cut it.
That was like a poem
It was beautiful, man.
#52 by Mortimer on Dec 17, 2009 10:35 PM PST
here's a tasty irony
I bought a couple of seats out of my blog account, which is fed by…political ad revenue. So score one for kids who never seem to be helped by all that ad revenue and the people it helps elect. It was on The Man tonight. :)
What you have been able to put together transcends the Blazers, the NBA, and a fun blog following both. It’s an immense service to the community. Congratulations.
Funny how that loss was easy to shake off.
thanks for contributing for a couple seats tonight, torridjoe
I’d just as well that we would have won. But, yes, it’s the journey that’s important, not just the final destination.
Juwan is the Blazers' Brett Favre (sort of)
Hip hip horray for all the kids who got to go to the game and three cheers for all those who donated!
put a body on 'em
Brandon Roy
(according to the Mikes) would have been really good to have for the last couple of plays. I don’t disagree. However, this reliance on him for the rescue is the old double-edged sword. What happens when – like the Hornets game – you can’t call on him? The team needs to be more familiar with plans B, C, D, etc. There are multiple potential last second go-to guys that need to practice some plays.
The game wasn’t lost in the final seconds only and credit must be given to the Hornets.
I heard a sideline report (apologies if I’m incorrect) that McMillan was telling the team after the third quarter to get to the foul line more. That’s when you field Miller, Bayless, Rudy, Webster, and Aldridge. These are the guys that are more likely to get there. In just about that order. At least according to the season stats. Ah, lets fall back to that good ol’ jump shooting formula. If fact, only Miller, Rudy, Webster, and Bayless got to the stripe in this game. Yeah, Miller had a bad shooting night but I don’t have a problem with him starting (or ending) the offense in critical situations. At least he was willing to shoot. Was someone else open? Was anyone else ready? Roy isn’t available. Not sure who else is better.
I was watching the inside game and it sure didn’t look like it took much for the opposing front line to move Aldridge out of the way whenever they felt like it.
Great to see Batum back.
What's the matter with Dave?
Bayless was the right guy to take the last shot. He’s only guy we had that can create his own shot. The ball should never have gone to Blake but with 3.8 seconds left there is almost no chance to drive to the basket. Even if Bayless was able to get to the basket, the refs would never call a foul with only 3.8 secs left. In those circumstances, it calls for the guy with the ball to create room for a mid-range jumpshot. Bayless did that but just couldn’t hit it. Jerryd did have the option to pass to either Blake for a 20ft jumper at the top of the key or Webster for a corner 3pt shot as he shot his 16footer with 1.3 secs left.
But this game was lost because Nate is stupid. How many times do we have to complain about the bone headed decisions that our coach makes. First off, Bayless should have started not his love puppy. Second Bayless should have been playing the last 3 minutes of the game. We got beat at the free throw line and Bayless would have helped the team get more ft attempts. Jerryd was the only player that put pressure on the Hornet’s defense and that happened when Jerryd was playing in the 2nd quarter and early in the 4th.
Will Nate start Bayless against Utah or not? I know he better or else I will never be able to able to root fior him again.
Stupid post
How many times do you have to complain? You don’t. No one is forcing you.
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by jscot on Jan 26, 2010 4:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What's up
with people flaming other fans for expressing their frustrations on BE? I guess all we can talk about is rainbows and unicorns. I don’t think it’s a stupid post at all. The guy explained his frustrations and gave his reasoning. It’s not like he just said “Nates a douche”.
I too am frustrated with Nae. There’s a trend that I find interesting when it comes to Nate and his coaching decisions. When he has more healthy bodies he seems to make poor choices with his rotations. It’s like he can’t think clearly. But when the whole team is inured and he has very few choices to make then it looks like he can coach. Quite interesting and madening.
Well I don't know about that
some not-so-nice things with zero “reasoning” value were said:
“What’s the matter with Dave?”
“…Nate is stupid”
“…or else I will never be able to root for him again”
Knee-jerk reactions are the nature of blog comments, so it isn’t too surprising that one knee-jerk complaint comment will lead to an anti-knee-kerk complaint comment….and then start a much larger back and forth thread on the value of complaining.
Precisely
If it is a personal attack for me to say it was a stupid post, then it was a personal attack to call Nate stupid and bone headed and talk about “love puppy”. Sorry, but I’ve had it with this kind of rubbish.
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Don't you have the power to place a bounty on those doing this sort of thing?
I wouldn’t mind earning some pocket money.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
If it's worth doing
it should be worth doing for free.
Your greed is unbecoming.
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Ah, the debilitating effects of living in (or close to) a socialist society.
If something is worth doing, the guy who figures out how to do it and make a profit will likely do it the best.
Of course if I carry that thought out a little further, I shouldn’t need the authorities to establish a bounty (i.e. subsidize the activitiy). I just have to figure out how to earn a profit. Do you think there is a market for coin purses made from nutsacks?
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
No, but
there are always people desperate for organ “donors”.
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Good suggestion.
This could be one of those new green jobs people are talking about.
In addition to reusing organs, parts and cadavers could be sold to hospitals and schools for research and educational purposes (lots of precendent here). Then there is the market for human hair. Finally, anything left over can be composted and turned into fertilizer.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
How about this ....
…. some of the same people who are first to complain about personal attacks have no inhibition about making such attacks on the coach or individual players.
There seems to be this widely held believe that it is a fan’s right to bitch about their team on the people on it. I guess the idea of fans supporting their team is too old fashioned. Today everyone has to be a critic. How else are they to show the rest of the world how smart they are?
Instead of being a loud mouthed critic that calls the coach stupid, why can’t VinnyB simply say he doesn’t understand McMillan’s rotations and decisions on substitutions, or that he wants to know why Bayless doesn’t get more court time? Then perhaps someone here can provide an explanation. Or post that they too are interested in knowing the same thing. Nobody gets called stupid. Nor does anyone act like they know more than a guy that has been involved with the NBA as a player and coach for more than 20 years.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Not your best effort
Most of Vinny’s comments are on point.
Bayless scored 12 points in 13 minutes and dished 4 assists. His penetration was creating open shots. If Bayless is good enough to take the last shot, while stone cold after sitting for 20 minutes, don’t you think he is good enough to play for the final three minutes?
by upper left corner on Jan 26, 2010 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
I used the word "stupid" intentionally
because Vinny used it, and other rubbish as well.
Bayless was superb in the first half, had his minutes limited due to fouls, and then was less effective in the second half. Nate took him out after about four minutes in the fourth, and we went on a run to build an 8 point lead.
Personally, I’d have had Rudy and Bayless in the last 3 minute instead of Andre and Steve. So what? You can’t fault Nate for deciding that the team had played better when Jerryd left, and leaving him out, nor can you fault him for going with the one guy left standing who is most likely to get a decent shot off.
Would I have made the same decisions? No. But it wasn’t stupid. Stupid is calling other people names because you don’t agree with their decisions.
And you will not that I did NOT call Vinny stupid, I called his post stupid. He is the one calling people stupid.
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Tone
I realize that Vinnie’s tone was a bit over the top and understood why you used the term “stupid.” I have seen you “police” other posters who are getting a bit worked up.
In this situation, while I agree his use of the “S” word was ill advised, I think his overall comment was on the money. Nate’s Blake fetish comes at a real cost. It is at the root of Nate’s problems with Miller. It is slowing Bayless’ development. It makes me crazy………
by upper left corner on Jan 26, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
That's obviously fair for discussion
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While I agree
that VinnyB could of chose other words to describe his dissapointment I guess since he provided some reasons for his feelings I was able to brush it all off as just natural frustration. Any who back to basketball.
If it weren't a pattern
I probably wouldn’t have responded as I did.
There are several posters who post the same stuff over and over again, and using the same or very similar words. Vinny may not do it as much as some others, but he does get pretty inflammatory in his words when he does launch.
I doubt anyone objects much to him posting his disagreements with some of Nate’s decisions, and his reasons. I would probably agree with him on some points.
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Much to like about about the game, but not the end
My main player concern, having been at last night’s game, was with LaMa. His play reminds me more and more of a more likable version of Rasheed Wallace. Settling for the outside shot. Not playing big in the low post. Disappearing at the end of games.
There was a play near the end of the game I didn’t see clearly, but it seemed that Aldridge had the ball about three feet to the right of the basket. He did have a number of defenders around him. Still, I was hoping he’d power it up for the dunk or foul, as I think would be likely with Howard or Pendergraph. Instead, he passed the ball out and Portland did not get a good look. I recall the same kind of play on the last road trip. Was it against Washington? Perhaps someone closer to last night’s play could say whether he actually had an opportunity at the basket. At any rate, LaMa played OK, but not like the All-Star he aspires to be.
I agree
Nice third quarter, but he just doesn’t seem to have any confidence in the fourth at all.
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While I know we want our players to be the best at all times including the fourth
When do you step back and say that a certain player may not be that guy? And I don’t mean this like we need to find an upgrade, moreso that if we have a player who plays reasonably well in the first three quarters, then why do we try to force him to be something he isn’t? I personally think we don’t get to the fourth period with the lead or even being close without LMA’s third quarter. Did LMA shrink in the fourth? Yes he did and frequently does during the fourth. So you ride him for three periods and develop talent who won’t shrink in the fourth (like Roy and Outlaw). You develop some other options for the fourth like Bayless, Rudy or Martell. You tell LMA to rebound his butt off and play solid D and run the break when it presents itself. Don’t make him the focal point on offense. As fans we need to set our expectations accordingly irrespective of how much he makes. I don’t think our frustration is going to change his game much.
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by blazermaniac32 on Jan 26, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
I think this is right
And if Travis were healthy, you might even be figuring LaMarcus needs to sit the last five minutes.
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Allstars are made in the 4th quarter and he want's badly to be an Allstar.
That’s all I’m saying.
Oh, unless your AI. Then you don’t have to do squat.
Superstars are made in the 4th
If we got an additional 3-4 rebounds a game, and an additional 8-10 points on TS%, he’d be an all-star even if he said “abracadabra” and disappeared at 5:00 to go in the fourth every game.
When healthy, we have enough clutch players that his disappearance would hardly be noticed, and certainly not held against him if he were good enough the rest of the game.
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I could see that as well
LMA can do the grunt work to get us to the fourth and let others go from there. At some point it irritates LMA enough that he doesn’t shrink from those opportunities and wants them or he accepts and you know what you have. Either way you can work around it with the talent we have.
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by blazermaniac32 on Jan 26, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
One observation not based solely on this game but reinforced by it:
When the Blazers are earning rings N. Batum will be one of their “big 3”, not because that was the grand design, but because he will have developed incredible basketball skill and combine it with superior athleticism and intelligent play.
Yes, even at maybe 70% back he is already one of the most savvy defenders on the team again doing all the little things
I sure did like his attitude..
the man showed no fear of putting the ball on the ground. More so than last year methinks.
I seem to recall that his work with the french team was on that very thing.. He still has ridiculous upside no doubt about it.
RoadBlazer
I loved how he got into Posey's head.
And how he was able at times to play him so close it was like he was a second skin.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
ball hog Bayless
I don’t mind the last shot. It almost went in. But throughout the game he dribbled around, lost the ball and refused to pass to an open Rudy a few times. When his is setting up the offense, the other players don’t know what to do. when Dre sets it up they all move a lot more.
I don't think he "refused" to pass the ball to Rudy..
Perhaps his court vision as a Point Guard is still being developed.
RoadBlazer
5 assists in 13 minutes
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All of our PG's appear to do a lot of dribbling.
On one hand, they have to or risk having a defender (or two) start crowding them, increasing the chance of a turnover.
It could also be a function of the offensive sets Portland runs. The PG is looking for his “reads” to determine how the play will be run.
It is certainly one of the things I find a bit frustrating. However I don’t agree with singling out a particular player for doing this. Miller, Blake, Bayless and Roy all do it.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
You have to figure
that some of that is the unfamiliarity of the rotations. Yes, these guys practice together but they’ve not had a consistent lineup for more than 2-3 weeks at a time all season long because of injuries. I don’t envy the PG’s in their decision-making. I am trying to take it easier on all of them with the over-dribbling than I would in a normal season.
—Dave
Come on now Dave.
These guys are pros. They are supposed to know this stuff before they graduate from grade school (I’ve had this one actually used in response to a point I was making).
And you are totally giving a pass to Nate and the coaching staff. Afterall, it is their job to make sure the players know what to do. Obviously if they can’t get the guys comfortable and working with one another like they’ve been doing it for years, iyt’s because they not concentrating on that aspect of the game and instead trying to figure out how to get Steve Blake 25 – 30 minutes a game.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
They're also being defended by pros
who have been together in a regular rotation much of the year and are, for the most part, more talented than the lineups we’re currently fielding. You may be a great speech-maker but I’ll wager that if I put you up in front of a huge audience for a pressure-packed presentation and told you that you wouldn’t know exactly what the speech would entail until you were up there and heard the feedback of the listeners (and by the way the visual aids that are supposed to help you make your point won’t be ready until just before the event and you’ll be seeing them for, like, the second time when you actually have to use them) there might be just a few more “Ummmms” and “Uhhhhs” as you made your speech than we’d normally see. Those dribbles are the point guards’ “Ummms” and “Uhhhhs”.
—Dave
I hope you realize it was satire.
As I’m sure you know, I continually am trying to point out that fans can’t take an aspect of the game in isolation and apply their reasoning and experience to it and think they’ve come up with a better idea. It isn’t that they lack reasoning skills or lack any understanding of the game. It’s that the game isn’t played as a series of isolated events. For example, designating Bayless to take the final shot is not simply a question of having a 2nd year player do that, or of whether he was warmed up or “in the flow” of the game, rather than coming in off the bench. One has to also consider the other factors at play (several of which have been pointed out here).
Additionally, the fact that Bayless missed the shot is not proof that those who disagree with the decision are on the side of the smarter or more correct call. The factors that make them believe Bayless was not the right choice could have been in play, but so too could several other factors, the most obvious and likely relevent one being the one you pointed out – that there is another set of guys on the court focused on preventing Bayless from making a shot or getting to the line.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.

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