Brandon Roy Left Game Early, Did Not Return, Done for Trip?
by Ben Golliver on Jan 20, 2010 7:44 PM PST
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Blazers guard Brandon Roy appeared to re-aggravate his right hamstring strain during the first half of tonight's game against the 76ers in Philadelphia.
Roy drove to the basket and hit a pull-up jumper over Samuel Dalembert with 1:02 left in the second quarter. Roy grimaced as he jogged back to play defense and appeared to be moving gingerly. Play stopped due to a foul call with 21 seconds left in the half and Roy checked out of the game, heading directly to the locker room with trainer Jay Jensen.
As Roy left the court, Blazers broadcaster Mike Barrett said, "Likely done for the night, you would suspect... and who knows for the rest of the trip."
Roy missed the last two Blazers games -- a win over Orlando and a loss to Washington -- due to the hamstring strain.
Update (5:16PM): Brandon Roy will not return.
Update (7:41PM): Joe Freeman of The Oregonian reports Brandon Roy is likely done for the rest of the road trip, which includes Friday at Boston and Saturday at Detroit.
Brandon Roy on his strained right hamstring: "Odds are high that I'll miss the next two (games) just because we want to be smart with (the injury)."
Update (9:27PM): Here's Freeman's full story on the injury with talk of a more patient Roy going forward.
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yeah
playing him tonight was a terrible decision. And that is not even hindsight talking.
by botanyjames on Jan 20, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe this is good in the long run.
Next time he gets hurt he’ll be more careful.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
Here's hoping.
Some injuries you just don’t play through.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Then what is it?
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Hamstrings take a while to heal
it was noted earlier. Brandon was not ready to play a few days ago and forced his way in to play last night when it was clear to a number of fans who have gone through it that there was no way he was ready. to ALLOW him to do that was completely idiotic and the result predictable. Instead of being out a couple weeks resting, he can now be out longer. There’s a risk that such an injury could keep him out longer than a month because they couldn’t hold him back one more week.
The training staff needs to do their job and not let him play with that kind of injury
management should do their job and not put pressure on people to have Roy play with that kind of injury. The pressure is their obvious desire to have him play over common sense.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
i now downgrade idiotic
to just dumb. You made a case in another post although I disagree with it those who have hopeful blinders on could possibly fall for it.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Nice to know there is hope for me.
I can handle dumb. Even have a fair amount of experience with it.
Idiotic on the other hand – well might as well just shoot myself.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Not too worried
He tried to go, it happens.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Geez!
Can he just do the smart thing and sit until after the All-Star game?
by superfly05 on Jan 20, 2010 5:25 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
i wonder if he'll have a choice now.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
stupid, stupid
i felt right away that roy should sit through the philly game. i’m not a trainer. i have a good deal of common sense, though. if he says he can still feel the hamstring, there’s no way he should have gone today.
stupid, stupid, stupid.
he should sit until feb. 1 versus charlotte at home. send him back to portland in the morning.
once again, nate’s grade for this season: C.
Nate?
It’s Roy’s responsibility to be honest with the trainers, and the trainer’s responsibility to make a medical decision. Nate has nothing to do with it.
Nate.
Roy said before the game he could “still feel the hamstring,” but he really, really wanted to go.
Nate.
Again, it's not on Nate at all.
If you’re sitting on his bench, you’re available to play. Roy is a grown-up, only HE knows how much it’s bothering him and what it feels like. Are you saying when Roy says he is good to go, and Nate plays him, and then it turns out that Roy is not good to go, it’s Nate’s fault? You’re expecting him to be a mind-reader with a medical background.
Now if it was the playoffs, and Roy said, “my hamstring feels really tight, but if you really need me, I’ll go,” and Nate plays him 40 minutes, then you might have a case. But as it is, if Roy says he can “still feel the hamstring,” then it’s his responsibility to be clear about how it feels.
No
When he says he can still feel the hamstring, that means it’s still sore. It doesn’t mean he can put his hand down and feel where his hamstring is. A lot of players in any sport want to play when they’re injured. Roy’s young, with a lot to learn yet. Of course he wants to play — great competitor. He said he could feel it — that means it’s still a little sore.
Again, I’m not a trainer but I’ve played and coached and watched sports for many years. You should KNOW that this is too soon for him to come back from a strained hamstring. And you say he could play if it’s “really tight” in a playoff game? You’ve never had a bad hamstring. When it’s “really tight,” you’re done. When you “can feel it,” you need more rest.
How am I wrong here? Look at the situation now.
Not Nate's fault
unless the trainer advised him not to play Brandon.
If the trainer says he’s good to go, and the player says he’s good to go, the coach should operate accordingly.
End of story, as far as Nate is concerned.
As to why the trainer got it wrong, that ultimately comes down to Roy and Jensen. Maybe a communication thing, maybe just one of those things that happens. Medical science is not an exact science.
Tight hamstrings do not mean you are done. I’ve competed at a high level with a “really tight” hamstring. You work it, you try to get it loose, and if it loosens up, you can generally go on it.
#10 #25 #52 #88 -- #5 is back!
You're right.
It’s the coach’s fault that he played a player that said he could play, and that the trainer cleared to play. I’m sure Nate would be a much better coach if he would just sit players that he suspects might be injured and lying about their condition. Frankly, I’m disappointed he keeps playing LaMarcus on those sore ankles, and there’s no way Rudy should be out there so soon after back surgery. Same with Blake and his pneumonia. And all these minutes for Juwan are going to be a real problem down the road. Nate sucks!
look
how did this situation play out? roy’s lucky he didn’t end up tearing it or something. he should not have played, right? that’s not obvious to you?
How did the LMA situation play out?
He should have sat out the last five games and got his ankles well. Of course, we’d have had three more losses than we have if he had.
You can’t just choose this situation and ignore all the other times when guys who aren’t 100% play and do fine, and help the team win.
But even if you are right that Roy should not have played, to make it Nate’s fault and not Brandon’s or the medical staff doesn’t make any sense.
#10 #25 #52 #88 -- #5 is back!
my reply
somehow got lowered and indented. It was intended to be a reply to travis13’s previous post.
It was pretty obvious
to whom you were replying. :)
#10 #25 #52 #88 -- #5 is back!
Here is all Nate has to go on.
1) What Jensen and the staff tell him. Which is only an informed estimation.
2) What Brandon tells him. Which is the most informed estimation.
3) What he can see watching Brandon practice or play.
4) His own experience with hamstring injuries.
I would bet that as far as #1 and 4 goes, everyone knows that if it is serious, a couple of days or even a week or more, is not likely to be sufficient for it to heal. If it is not so serious, then a couple days here and there, along with treatment may be enough to allow Brandon to play. The only guy who knows for sure is Roy.
The team really has only two options. Bite the bullet and sit brandon for the next month, or see if they can work through this. The risk of doing the latter is not all that great. The most likely worse case is Brandon exascerbates the injury and needs more than 3-4 weeks of rest. If he has to sit out a month, missing a month and a half to two months probably doesn’t matter that much. If he is able to play through it, then Portland’s chances of staying in the playoff hunt are still decent.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
hmmm
you make a good point, but i will still disagree. I’d say Roy’s response when asked made it obvious the required time of a month (if that’s what it is), would have been the better option with already a week under his belt and a recognition that Roy WOULD lie to play.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
How do you know Brandon would lie to play?
Being completely serious here, I know I would not take too kindly to someone making a statement like that about me. A long time ago my dad gave my brothers this piece of advice – “Never give anyone cause to call you a liar or a thieve.” As far as I’m concerned, stating that a person would lie is bordering on slander.
From a purely discussion oriented point – how can any of us make this statement? It seems to be based on a cliche’d assumption that very competative athletes will never be honest on any subject impacting their playing time. It also assumes that Brandon is potentially a fool or an idiot and would blindly risk serious injury for one or two extra victories on the season.
I don’t buy it.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
In this case
it’s the trainers responsibility to understand an injury and realize, what many fans knew, that a hamstring requires a few weeks of rest and NOT resting it could mean being out for a month or two.
You don’t need roy to give you feedback when, if you’ve had or know this injury, you should KNOW that.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Don't agree,
I’ve had two serious knee injuries, including ACL/PCL reconstruction. That means I may know more than someone who has not experienced such injuries or is not in sports medicine. It does not mean I know as much as the average professional trainer in the NBA. NFL or any other sport. It doesn’t mean that I have appreciatively greater insight when someone on the Blazers suffers a knee injury. It certainly doesn’t mean that I can hand out advice on how it should be treated.
travis talked about his having a good deal of common sense. Here is what my common sense tells me – that the more I learn, the greater my understanding of how little I truly know.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
If you have so much common sense ....
… then why are you forming an opinion with little to no access to any of the critical information?
Have you seen any of the results of any tests they’ve run? Have you talked to Brandon? Were you party to any of the discussions that went on between Roy, Jensen, McMillan or Pritchard?
Are you a doctor, trainer or physical therapist? Do you have a great deal of experience treating or dealing with hamstring injuries? Can describe the extent of Brandon’s injury?
If you truly possessed a good deal of common sense, you wouldn’t be so critical when you know so little.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
A number of us have had this injury
and so can speak from personal experience.
Seriously, it’s a no brainer.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
"This injury"?
Not really. There are hamstring strains and then there are hamstring strains.
Look, if he could get it loose enough that they would consider playing him in Washington, then it was obviously not a severe strain. And they had an MRI which would tell them it wasn’t severe. But they held him out for safety, it’s loose enough again two days later, so it clearly isn’t that big a deal, right?
Except it was. But this isn’t so obvious as you are making it out to be. With all due respect, the medical staff A) know more about hamstring strains than you do B) know FAR more about this one than you do (they had the MRI) C) know FAR more about Roy’s condition at the moment than you do, because they could check it out.
#10 #25 #52 #88 -- #5 is back!
Ok, i am the only a little bit numb right now?
I may be over-reacting and i hope i am but i am pretty numb right now. Hamstring injuries are not something that is easily delt with. My understanding is that minor injuries can very easily turn into moderate to severe quickly, and moderate injuries allmost allways turn into severe injuries unless extended rest takes place. To my knowledge most of the stories i have read about hammy injuries were along the lines of “i tried to go cause it felt good but i tweeked it pretty good and its unknown how long i will be out.” i HOPE thats not the case here. But curse the gods!!!!
by blazerbeliever97504 on Jan 20, 2010 5:35 PM PST reply actions
you're correct
right on about hamstrings. happens a lot with baseball players. no, no, no way roy should have played today, and jensen and nate needed to overrule roy on this.
infuriating. this wasn’t handled correctly.
you are correct sir.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
never should have played
I’d rather have Roy sit out 5 games and come back fully recovered as opposed to playing with this nagging injury the rest of the way.
If I am the Blazers, I put him on a plane for Portland tonight.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jan 20, 2010 6:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It may not be a simple case of sitting out just 5 games.
If it is serious enough that he can’t play right now without re-injuring it every night, then Brandon likely needs more than a week or two. Try a month or more.
So, do you play it super conservative and just sit Roy for all of January and probably a good part of February? Or do you listen to what your best player is telling you, talk to the training staff and see if it is something Brandon can play through. And let’s remember that we really have no basis to assume that Roy is not going to be honest with the staff and trainer about how it feels to him.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Agree with the move
Shut him down for the rest of the road trip, we’ve picked up this game already and if we didn’t it would be disaster time, 1-3 road trip isn’t bad but I’m not counting us out in these next two games. Hopefully he’s 100% by the New Orleans game ( When Nic is back ).
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Well, this certainly changes the tone of the expected trade.
When our star goes down, who steps up in his place?
Is it the guy you expect to be traded?
Seeking whimsy
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by Y5k on Jan 20, 2010 7:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
About Time:
just because we want to be smart with (the injury).
if they were smart from the get go, he would have sat out Cleveland and Milwaukie, which would have been a full 7 day layoff. He could then have sat out Orlando and made it a full 10 days, without changing our record in those games at all.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
hammy injuries take a long time to heal even w/o any activity :(
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
He tried to go, it didn't work, that's fine.
Still worth the try.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Young team, young coach, young superstar
Geezer patrol notwithstanding….
On the one hand I cringe at how the team and the individuals have handled this. On the other hand, it’s a nice reminder that Brandon is a fierce competitor. You can’t always treat him with kid gloves. The dude is still basically a kid. I was 26 when I flipped my Mazda so I try not to judge. He’s got a long good career still and a ‘mature’ Roy will be something special.
by jiminut on Jan 20, 2010 10:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
We played two centers at once
for part of that game.
And six men at once for another part of it.
The first is not repeatable, and the second is somewhat unlikely.
#10 #25 #52 #88 -- #5 is back!
The second is almost certainly unlikely ....
… as the league made a rule change in the off season as a result of that play. I believe the officials can now look at a reply and if a team had 6 players they can discount the result and assess a technical foul.
I say almost because I am guessing that for the ref’s to be able to do this, someone has to point out to them that a team has six players on the court.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I'm guessing he'll be out
much longer than just this road trip. Goodbye playoff’s? Evidently we can win consistently no matter who goes down with injury. But I think there is little chance we can without B-Roy.
Blaming Nate for this is absurd. Yesterday I posted that Roy should sit out this game but offered that Brandon would have none of that. Brandon gets the blame.
If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!
naw, we'll make playoffs
but I’d guess Roy is out till marchish.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
If he's out till March
we won’t make the playoffs.
#10 #25 #52 #88 -- #5 is back!
wow roy is injury prone
everyone in the league is injury prone
The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct
I think Congress needs to pass a law outlawing NBA basketball.
It’s obvious even to a casual observer that it is dangerous to the young men and women that play it.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
women play NBA basketball?
I must have missed that. (yes, i knew what you mean, i’m being a smart ass)
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Being a smartass is something I'm not in a position to complain about.
Besides, I am of the opinion that it beats the alternative.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
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