Trade Drawer 1-16
There seems to be a division among those who think a trade is needed to thin out the ranks in the backcourt while adding a center and those that dislike the idea of an in-season trade. Antonio Harvey on the post-game show ( I also heard him say the same thing earlier in the day) was ranting that the only teams that make in-season moves are bad teams and championship contenders... and we're neither. Antonio is a likeable guy, but I think he's dead wrong here. If we assume, however, that he is correct in his belief that we are a good team, but not a title contender this year... then you have to re-assess what are your goals are for this year??? What should the goals be???
1) Develop the young guys - Is that what we're doing? Does anybody believe that Jerryd isn't headed to 3rd on the PG depth chart unless a trade is made? If Jerryd takes some of Rudy's minutes at the backup 2... aren't we trying to develop Rudy's NBA game at his natural position also? DC and Pendy are getting some floor time to develop, but are arguably not a big key in the Blazers move from "good team" to "title contender". Martell is developing really nice right now and Nic will be back soon. Continued development of Jerryd, Rudy, Martell, Nic and to some degree LaMarcus should be a big goal. Anything DC and Pendy give us is gravy.
2) Make the Playoffs and try to position yourself to get out of the first round of the playoffs - It seems like we can make the playoffs standing pat. We've played well enough since Przy went down to feel confident. At the same time, we look ill prepared without a center to win in the playoffs. Will Juwan hold up for 41 more games and post-season? Plus, there are some teams making a hard push for our playoff spot right now (OKC, Memphis, NO). It wouldn't take much of a drop off to find ourselves on the outside looking in. I'd like our goal to be getting deeper into the playoffs, despite our injury issues. That experience is key for going from "good" to "title contender".
3) Don't trade key players for the future to get marginally better this year - Remember Antonio's assumption we're not a title contender this year, but KP should look hard into the future. If there are players on this team that are not part of our future and have trade value, we should look to move them if it helps us.
So if these are the goals (and I say the should be) this is a trade proposal to achieve those goals. I want to come clean that I didn't come up with this trade on my own. This was suggested by a moderator on a different site (maybe someone has suggested it here and I've missed it). I give him credit anonymously (I don't want to plug another site on BE). I think it's the best suggested trade I've seen. It's a 3 team trade and those never seem to happen but I think this would benefit all 3 teams...
1) Portland trades Outlaw to Memphis for Denver's pick and a 2nd round pick
that gives portland about 5 million in cap-space.
2) The Blazers then send Blake & Mills + Denver's pick + the 2nd to Washington for Haywood, Oberto, and Crittenton. Portland would simply cut Crittenton before he left DC.
This would give the Wizards and extra 1st, an extra 2nd, a young prospect, a PG replacement (will Arenas play there again?) on an expiring contract, and save them 10 million this season in salary and tax. It would also be a first step for the Wizards in 'cleaning house' as they would have traded Crittenton and got rid of his salary.
Why for Portland? Outlaw is expiring, expendable and may not be in the long-term plans. Yes he's our backup 4, but it doesn't seem many love him in that role. It has also been suggested that Batum and/or Martell could fill that stretch 4 role. I know Outlaw has never rebounded like we've seen Martell do over the last few games. I just don't see him being resigned in Portland. Blake is expiring, expendable and moving him gives Jerryd an opportunity to develop. If our GM sees Jerryd as the future starting PG, we have to let him play. We actually get 2 big bodies in this move which could help us cope with possible future injuries or foul trouble. We could resign Haywood or let him walk.
Why for Memphis? It seems their GM has liked Outlaw for a long time. It is very unlikely they find a better talent late in the 1st round than Outlaw. They are making a playoff push for this season and Outlaw should be healthy for a stretch run. I think Memphis is the team in this deal that may find something better. There are many teams looking to shed salaries and not many teams able to absorp them. They also may not want to help the Blazers. Could be a little bad blood still over the D Miles episode and we could be one of the teams they are hoping to leapfrog to reach the playoffs.
Why for Washington? They are needing to start over. Way over the cap and in complete chaos. They are not going to get young talent IMO for Haywood. Serviceable veteran (EC), cheap young prospect, picks and $10M in salary relief seems like it may be the best offer they get. It seems they would like to dump an ugly contract with Haywood, but I don't think there are many takers for ugly contracts right now.
What do you all think? Are Blake and/or Outlaw in the long-term Blazer plans? If not, does Haywood and a thinned out PG rotation give us a better chance to achieve our goals this season?
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That trade makes a lot of sense for everyone
I love Trout and would hate to let him go, but we probably wouldn’t be able to keep him anyways.
Getting Haywood would be huge for us, there’s no reason we couldn’t compete with any team in the league if we had a talented center.
I think Trout signs a one-year contract for next season
OK...so girls in movies where guys wear hockey masks have a better survival rate than the average Blazer player. - Dave
I do, too
I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Travis in a Blazer uniform. Not because I think he’s the best fit at backup PF (his “deer in the headlights” act in the playoffs was cringe-worthy) but because of his injury he’s not going to get the LTC that he was expecting in July and KP isn’t going to get the kind of trade “return” for Outlaw that he thinks he’s worth, so it makes sense for TO and Portland to resign and try it again next season. But that means Nate will have to “find time” for Travis and that potentially cuts into the minutes of more-deserving players who should be around the Blazers far into the future…yecch, logjams R us
Having said this, I like the trade proposal. If KP decides he needs Haywood and Oberto (which he does) and that he has a better than middlin’ chance of resigning Outlaw and Blake this summer (which he also does) then it’s a good deal for the short and long term, that costs him virtually nothing and could even gain him a draft choice (if he chooses to be greedy and not to include one of those Memphis picks in the deal)
Getting Nate and Brandon to “sign off” on this trade won’t be easy, but there could be a “wink wink, nod nod” agreement that their binkie/blankie “separation” will only be for a few months
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If you were Outlaw or his agent looking to sign a one-year deal...
Would you sign with the Blazers to play spot minutes as a backup, playing a position that you don’t view as your natural position? Or would you look for a team where you could backup at the 3 and play spot minutes at the 4? There could very well be better opportunities for Outlaw with another club. He could be back, but its easy to imagine him moving on also. We don’t move him just to move him, but hard to imagine killing a deal for Haywood with Outlaw being the sticking point.
by 52therim on Jan 16, 2010 10:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's happy here, and that counts for a lot
He’s gotta test his foot at some point, and the results of that test may be more “known” to Portland’s staff than to the rest of the league’s GMs. I don’t think Travis is going to be blown away by any FA offers this summer, and at the end of the day he may just decide to return to the team that he knows the best. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe he’ll sign with Memphis to “replace” Gay and KP will wind up getting squat for #25. That would suck, but it wouldn’t be the first time…
If it was up to me, I’d just make the best deal possible for Outlaw next month. But KP is more stubborn with his assets than I would be. Especially with TO
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
parting shot
one thing’s for sure, the Blazers have shown during the first half of the season that they don’t “need” Outlaw’s one-on-one play off the bench as much as fans thought they once did. Webster has picked up the scoring slack, and Cunningham is a better all-around “4-3” than Travis, with a much better contract.
Everyone loves Travis, he’s a great kid. But he’s not a core player or anywhere near it
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I like it
If we wanted to we could just re sign Travis next year anyways
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Cap room would be an issue...
Anyone we don’t have rights to would have to be a sign and trade deal. Blake and Outlaw can only sign with the Blazers if they are still here at the end of the season and the Blazers choose to go further over the cap.
Please correct me if I am wrong. The cap would still need to be set for next year but the Blazers are close to 57 million in salary for next year already.
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MLE
You’re right, Portland will be over the cap next July. But they could offer the MLE to Blake, or Outlaw if they’re traded in February. Not both. This dilema could be an indicator for a Miller + Outlaw deal, because as much as Portland needs Andre right now (while Roy is hobbling) things could “change” in 30 days. (Injury to Howard, LMA, etc) The key “developing” players are Rudy and Bayless, and once Batum is back there isn’t going to be much time for Roy at SF and with 2 veteran PGs that leaves 3 shooting guards with 48 minutes
Checkmate. Something’s got to give. Here’s hoping that it won’t take another injury to unclog this logjam
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Nuh uh
This is a great trade proposal, far better than we usually post; but it’s still the wrong trade. We lose the fantastic Outlaw for a short-term center and a nullity like Oberto. No can do. If trade, then big trade. My unhappy belief is our lovable injured centers will never be the same quality players we’ve seen them in the past. Joel in particular has it nasty. I guess they wiill be coming off the bench or sitting on the bench a lot next season. A sign and trade for David Lee will cement our future. With Lee sharing the center with Greg we will be set for a generation. It doesn’t really matter he’s not a true center. He can run, rebound and score, basically everything we need. Greg can play against the beasts of the league like Bynum and Howard. KP and Penn know how to make this kind of trade happen. So, I repeat good naturedly, trade right or don’t trade at all.
I agree. David Lee. I think the type of injury Joel has is pretty serious. Do not know if the Nicks
will trade David Lee though. Is he going to be a free agent? Have no idea. And I wonder with the player option to renew or not…what Joel will do if he really is not able to play NBA basketball after his injury.
I like progressive thinking
But KP is not going to get Lee for Blake and “the fantastic” Outlaw (especially since no one knows how Travis’ foot is going to respond, and how that will affect his game, going forward) The Knicks will not accept Miller, because of his guaranteed money in 2010. Are you willing to throw Rudy into a Lee deal? Because that’s the kind of juice it would take. Also, keep in mind that Lee is BYC and that will always complicate matters; KP was interviewed the other day and said as much
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
how about we bring in a circus clown on a 10 day contract
to work with nate and develope some trick plays
The 'fanatastic' Outlaw is nothing but a myth!
We have enough scorers on this team. If Miller stays and Blake gets traded, Bayless, Rudy, Batum/Webster, Dante, Haywood would be more than enough offensively. If Haywood is indeed going to be a free agent in the summer then we still have enough scoring. We can get a scorer with our 1st round pick (#12-25) so Outlaw really isn’t needed. Personally whatever gets Blake traded is fine with me. What I know is that we can’t keep Miller, Blake, Bayless, Mills, Roy, Rudy, Batum and Webster to play and rotate in 3 spots. Mills will never play for us again this season and we know that Blake will always play more than Bayless whether he deserves to or not.
What worries me is what happens if we can’t convince Haywood to stay with us. He’s an unrestricted free agent and with Oden coming back (and Pryz too) he might feel that he won’t get to play alot. We’ll end up trading Trav, Blake, Mills and some picks and getting nothing in return.

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