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Forget pay-per-stream Blazer games on the internet. Let's renew our push to get Comcast and the Blazers to cut a deal with Direct TV and Dish Network to broadcast games, once and for all. Good article here from the Columbian. Makes me wonder why in the world Blazer brass don't exert some more pressure on Comcast to cut this deal. Beginning to think they don't care about us fans like they say they do. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. Allen. You used to know how to do this...

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Well as fun as it is to bash Comcast...

the Blazers share some blame. They have every right to walk away from the contract they just know they aren’t going to find 12 million a year elsewhere.

by Escrote on Jan 12, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

I think the Blazers want to apply pressure.

They just have no leverage.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jan 12, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Their leverage is growing

Every day that the TV contract renewal date grows closer, the Blazers leverage increases. Yes, I know the contract is a long way off (8 years!), but not renewing the contract is about the only leverage the Blazers have.

I would pay to stream some of the Comcast games, if they were made available. I haven’t paid to stream the KGW games, because I can watch them on TV here in Portland.

by unblindloyalty on Jan 12, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

BS they have leverage...

there is a clause in the contract that says if the Blazer games are not widely available that the Blazers can opt out. The Blazers are not going to opt out though because they wont find more than 12 million elsewhere.

by Escrote on Jan 12, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I love comcast

every game is now televised in one form or another…and all are in HD. if you cant get comcast…then get a slingbox.

I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.

"Did they really expect me to bow down to Jesus?!?" ~Sophia

by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2010 10:19 PM PST reply actions  

i am also happy with comcast

The Leeroy Rule: being insistent >>>> being correct

by leeroyjenkins on Jan 13, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

...

yeah it’s nice to have but, the limitations of getting just a few channels you want sucks (me = college student). For instance I would only watch the Blazers, Comcast Sportsnet is not offered in basic cable, also not available in the sports package (but listed as sports channel…? It’s also pretty much local crap too and limited cable states local sports and news… whatever).

You have to buy a whole digital starter package which can run $60/month (excluding the 6 months for 29.99) + depending on which deal you get (and only last 6 months usually). You are forced to buy a ridiculous amount of channels when you only really want one (that’s why they do it this way because dumb people actually get talked into it… like I did in 2007 and it was absolutely horrible).

It would be nice if they included it in the sports package, then it would be around $12-15/month which is fair. It’s literally one channel and I know TONS and TONS of people would do that, but instead now it’s one friend buys cable and all friends go over to watch it. Same with bars… more and more people now don’t even have basic cable anymore.

It just doesn’t make sense to me you have these options…
- Listen to the radio = FREE
- Go to a bar and watch the game = Depends on what drinks you buy, hell… you don’t even have to buy drinks. FREE
- Find someone who has cable and use them for your blazer addiction = FREE
- Use Internet to look at box scores/radio = FREE (but sucks)
- Use Internet to view streams = FREE (but illegal)
- Purchase individual KGW streaming games = $4/each (you are not forced to buy all games, it gives you the choice)
- Watch a few select games on KGW (usually most playoff games are on kgw) = FREE
- Use binoculars and point them to your neighbors tv = CREEPY FREE
- Stand outside the Rose Garden and look into the windows, you’re bound to find one of the TVs playing the game and you get to hear the home crowd cheer. = FREE but dumb
- Actually going to the blazer games 1-4 (or more… cheap seats assuming your local and if you are bringing someone) times a month, watch rest of games at a bar or friends = Around $60 (This seems a bit more worth it am I right?)
- Get Comcast Digital Starter with realistically about 7-8 good channels = $60.00/month (not including equipment, installation and deals like 6 months for $29.99… add this to your internet bill and you’ve got yourself a $100/month cable and internet bill)

I mean, which one if you are on a tight budget would you select? Where are the options with Comcast. I think I’ll stick to going to blazers games 1-2 times a month with my father, watching blazer games at bars/friends and watch crappy streams online with my comcast internet. It’s just as equal satisfaction with all of those and in reality I would never pay $60/month just to watch a sport when I have the internet at my fingers.

Oh and comcast is raising prices again http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/business/media/04cable.html

Who would of thought in 2010 basic cable would cost more than your internet bill. Just unreal sometimes when you think about it.

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by brandonmitchell on Jan 14, 2010 3:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Comcast is really killing Blazer fans. My mom is one of those people that can't get Comcast and wants to watch all blazer games. It's just sad. She's furious.

The Blazers should just sue. Comcast would just settle out of court anyway. I wonder if Vulcan / blazers brass realize just how much this is pissing people off.

#10

by dario argento on Jan 12, 2010 11:32 PM PST reply actions  

on what grounds should the blazers sue?

I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.

"Did they really expect me to bow down to Jesus?!?" ~Sophia

by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2010 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait a minute.

Wasn’t the FCC going to do something about this?

by Gary: Badass on Jan 13, 2010 1:24 AM PST reply actions  

kind of

it was a round about way though. The FCC was looking into one of Comcast’s contracts in another state, which was much like the one they signed with the Blazers. The end result hasn’t been determind yet, but one of the possiblities is that Comcast would be forced to offer the channel to DTV and Dish. I’ll try and find the news release.

by usmcr3049 on Jan 13, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't remember where the artcle was

But I believe what Comcast is doing to Portland is a loophole in the law about this sort of thing. The FCC is working to close it, I hope.

by GUnit on Jan 13, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

What....

…is Comcast doing to Portland. I am not being a smart aleck ….I just not sure what you mean. What I understand is that Comcast purchased the broadcast rights to the Blazer games for about 11-12mil a year…put them on their channel…and then have offered the channel to all the other TV providers (at a cost of course…just like any other channel in the world). Some providers have agreed to carry the channel (Fios, Bend Broadband ect) and others have said the price is too high (DirectTV, Dish, Charter..ect). I never heard of them doing anything that the FCC would have been interested in. I am curious what loophole in the law was….and if found, what would the FCC force Comcast to do…lower the asking price? Give it away for free? I can’t see the feds ever doing that.

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Jan 13, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Would be nice if the government disallowed a company to own both a TV channel and a TV distribution network

on anti-trust grounds. Probably not going to happen though.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jan 13, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...that would have far reaching ramifications

they would be totally revamping the entire entertainment industry. I also doubt that they would do that

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically (as I understand it) Comcast is playing by the rules

as are now in place

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Jan 13, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I think so too.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Jan 13, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is the link

FCC to close loophole

Federal regulators are seeking to close a loophole that allows cable TV operators to withhold sporting events and other popular programming that they own from rival providers such as satellite TV.

The Federal Communications Commission will consider an order to close to the so-called “terrestrial loophole,” which allows cable companies to get around access requirements in a 1992 federal cable law by distributing programming over landlines rather than satellite connections.

Read through for the full info.

by usmcr3049 on Jan 14, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah thanks

The “terrestrial loophole” thing they are talking about here, isn’t in effect in for ComcastSportsNetNW from what I understand. Maybe it is because Comcast actually owns the Sixers and Flyers that they allowed to do this

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Jan 14, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

it is hard to say what effect this will have on the Blazers situation

until a ruling is made. It could have no effect, or depending on the language it could change how deals like the one between the Blazers and Comcast are written and enforced. I think that you will be proven right, and it won’t change anything to do with the Blazers, but I do hold out hope, because what Comcast is doing to the 76ers fans is just as bad as what they are doing to the Blazers. They own the 76ers, so they should be able to decide who has access to their games, but if this loophole is closed then so will their monopoly on 76ers games, which is basically what Portland Fans need here.

by usmcr3049 on Jan 15, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

If you're in Portland and don't have Comcast

League Pass wont’ help you due to blackouts.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jan 13, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

there are ways around this

though watching on the computer is hardly a replacment for watching in HDTV

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jan 13, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

watch via a slingbox

I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.

"Did they really expect me to bow down to Jesus?!?" ~Sophia

by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

If you have a friend outside the blackout zone

ask them to sign up for direct TV and get NBA league pass. Then pay them back and head down to their house and pick up the satellite and box and bring it up to your place in Portland. Thus you will have beaten the system and can watch games on League Pass in Portland. Kind of a huge pain in the arse but it is one way to do it.

by Escrote on Jan 13, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

there is a clause in the contract

that allows the Blazers to get out if there games are not available in a large enough share of the market. The Blazer CAN VOID the contract, they just aren’t going to find 12 million a year elsewhere so they are waging a publicity war to make Comcast look like the sole bad guy. Blazers SHARE the blame. But really it is the bad economy that is killing all of this because Comcast cannot get a deal with the satellite providers. If you want to attempt to change it call your satellite provider and complain. I know a ton of people that dropped Direct TV after they got rid of Versus.

by Escrote on Jan 13, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

That "clause" was nothing but a rumor and probably doesn't exist.

From The Oregonian Jan 7, 2010:

“We are disappointed the carriage distribution hasn’t been resolved and we are now pursuing all of our rights under our contract, which must be done on a confidential basis,” the Blazers said in a statement Wednesday.

They declined to elaborate on what rights the franchise has under the contract.

Not many, suspects Rick Burton, David B. Falk professor of sports management at Syracuse University.

“The contract is probably binding and it is probably too substantial a percentage of the Blazers’ revenues” for the team to walk away, even if it could, said Burton, who is the former director of the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon.

Cable economics consultant Hal Singer, …. “My guess is they (the Blazers) have no leverage,” Singer said.

At most there may be a clause that Comcast has to act “in good faith” to sell carriage rights to other providers. They should have little trouble showing they have since they provide CSNNW to Verizon (a key competitor) and at least 7 other cable companies throughout Oregon. Comcast certainly wouldn’t have signed a contract that forced them to sell the rights to DirecTV or Dish at a set price.

The Blazers would have a hard time now saying that Comcast hasn’t acted in good faith to sell carriage rights since they have been supporting them all along. The 2008-9 FAQ on the Blazer website says:

Contrary to what many people believe, Comcast SportsNet (CSNNW) is available to every cable and satellite provider serving the Northwest. … The only reason you cannot see the games is because your provider has not purchased the programming from Comcast SportsNet. … At this point, we believe that Comcast SportsNet is negotiating in good faith and that CSNNW is being offered at a reasonable, fair-market rate.

But even if they could now find some grounds to claim Comcast is no longer negotiating in good faith I don’t think they would try to void a deal that is making them $12M a year when no one else was willing to pay even 1/4 of that when the economy was in much better shape.

The Blazers are apparently upset about Comcast not allowing them to stream the Comcast games over the Internet (which they announced they planned to do by the start of 2010), but it was pretty stupid of them to make that announcement without being sure they had secured those rights from Comcast first. They may think there are provisions in the contract they can now pursue to get those rights, but I doubt that will have any effect on the non-Internet situation.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 13, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

".....it was pretty stupid of them to make that announcement without being sure they had secured those rights from Comcast first."

To be clear on that ….Comcast also cannot stream the games (as has been suggested in the past). They are exercising their right to non-competition (which would be stipulated in their contract with the Blazers).

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

People still watch satellite television? Weird. That’s so 90s.

Cable is the future. Get used to it.

"I'm at clips-blazers + Juwan Howard just posterized Marcus Camby. Crowd is still reeling. That dunk was from 2 decades ago."
- Bill Simmons on Twitter

by halo_on on Jan 13, 2010 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

way to contribute to the conversation

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jan 13, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

My pleasure.

"I'm at clips-blazers + Juwan Howard just posterized Marcus Camby. Crowd is still reeling. That dunk was from 2 decades ago."
- Bill Simmons on Twitter

by halo_on on Jan 13, 2010 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

Comcast sux big time

I recently got Comcast and got rid of dish network just for the blazers games. It is not user friendly at all . Its got free movies, well their free if you pay for the service. It doesn’t have my free daily dose of NBAtv games. It’s got a stupid add at the bottom of the screen that buggers up the works .When the actions gets fast the b-ballers get all ghosty. Oh and the Comcast logo has a red cresent at the front and a christian cross at the end. It’s the work of the Masons I tells ya.

by meatwad3 on Jan 13, 2010 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

It's "COINCAST" . . .

       they paid the “COIN” and continue to “CAST” Blazermaniacs
into the the Blackout zone !
        Great deal Blazer Business Management (ie, Wharry Millwer – " I want
to make the Blazer brand GLOBAL) !!!
                   VOID THIS HOORRRRRRIBLE DEAL & GIVE US BACK OUR
                                                      BLAZERS !!!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 13, 2010 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

Word

Although he’s got a better shot at making the brand global than local I reckon. At least people around the globe can see the games.

by Dominator13 on Jan 13, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Its frustrating

I live in Coos Bay. Comcast is not available here. I got Dish Network with Nba League pass, but the Blazer games are blacked out. There is no possible way to watch blazer games on tv in Coos Bay, Oregon.

by Merz on Jan 13, 2010 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

or Tillamook Oregon

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jan 14, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Comcast and this deal are awful

Always supporting Greg Oden.
Free AK1984.

by blazeraddict on Jan 13, 2010 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

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