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Blazers Training Camp Day 2 Report

The questions about different guys have been coming fast and furious. For today's practice report, let's check in on a few players I haven't yet written extensively about this week.  Disclaimer: media access is limited to roughly 30 minutes.

Greg Oden

If we were to line up NBA big men on a mobility spectrum, one end would be "looks like he was born to dominate basketball games" and the other end would be "hey, he's really tall so we're throwing him out there." On the far left you've got Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon.  On the far right you've got Cheikh Samb and any other 5s the Clippers have drafted in the last 10 years.  The toughest part about watching Greg Oden last season was forcing yourself to admit that, while he looked like he belonged on the far left side of the spectrum during college, way too often in 2008-2009 he looked like he belonged on the far right side. 

Did Greg accomplish some nice things on the court last year?  You betcha.  Did he look graceful, or even comfortable, doing them?  Nope. 

I've heard all the hype in person and read all the hype in print about GO this week. I've resisted writing about him until I could see him playing some basketball. That happened today, as he lined up with the second unit (Miller, Fernandez, Webster, Outlaw) against the "starters" (Blake, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Przybilla).

My 5 minute snap judgment on Greg: the best I've seen him look in person.  

Did he do anything that I've never seen before on a basketball court? No. Did he attempt to dunk from the free throw line like he did during the NCAA title game?  No. 

But here's what he did do: look like a basketball player rather than someone playing basketball.  He looked up to speed, in sync, well-balanced and coordinated.  Gangly was gone. Beastly was in. He's headed back towards the left end of that spectrum.

If there was one obvious highlight, it was his nice finish on a drop step to his left hand.  He took it to the basket like he was going to make it, he shot it like he was going to make it, he made it, and he ran back down the court like he knew he was going to make it all along.  There was a collective fist pump from some of his teammates and members of the coaching staff after he finished the play.  Sort of, "We are going to be dope if he can keep doing that" but also "We haven't seen this before.  We like it... A LOT."   Greg? He was d'ing up.  

After practice, I chatted with Greg briefly.  How many times was I able to write that sentence last year?  Still, I'm not sure there's any way to chat with Greg other than briefly.  He's short with his answers, pretty controlled in his reactions.  That's one of the main reasons you read so much speculation about him.

Anyway, it occurred to me while we were talking that I couldn't remember him mentioning whether he keeps in touch with the league's other young big men for support.  I asked him about that.  He gave a typically brief answer: "no." Shot down.  Time to take a new path: "Hey Greg, you know the Kings are coming into town on Tuesday.  Remember what you did to Spencer Hawes?"

A devilish smile and even some quick laughter.  

Oh, so you've had that Kings game circled, huh?  
Nah, I'm not that type of guy that circles games. I take every game the same.
Still smiling.  

A brief exchange but an interesting one: it's the second time this week I've seen Greg allow himself to laugh with a microphone in his face.  The first time came on Media Day, when a nervous reporter asked him whether he thought he could make the All Star Game given Yao's season-long injury. Greg smiled and said "Yeah, me and Andrew Bynum gonna go for that spot." The reporter barely could get out a "thank you" before he was high-tailing it away in apparent embarrassment. Greg watched the reporter leave and then looked over at me.  I was trying not to crack up.  Greg was too, and finally he allowed himself to laugh openly.  Not a derogatory laugh at all, just a "what was that?" kind of laugh.  I started laughing too, if not at the reporter then at the absurdity of Greg Oden openly laughing, something we never, ever, ever saw last year.

Looking back, it must feel good to be Greg Oden, All Star candidate and no longer the most nervous person in the room.  It must feel really good.  I'd let myself laugh too.

Do you win a starting job from Nate McMillan through your smiling?  Nope.  Greg knows that.  He was quick to agree that Joel was really bringing it to him during practice, that his competition for starting center appeared to be even stronger than he was last year.  There's still work to be done.

But both on and off the court it's clear Greg has already done some serious work.  

He will be starting sooner rather than later.

Martell Webster

One of the first things i saw yesterday was Martell well off the ground, violently snagging a defensive rebound out of the air.  I watched him shoot jumpers throughout the Summer League practices and I even posted some of the video.  A few of you noticed (if I am remembering correctly) that he appeared to be favoring his foot while shooting.  At that time he was limited in how much he could jump and he hadn't yet been cleared for full contact.  From that first moment yesterday, it's clear Martell has his bounce back.  Further confirmation came today when he leaked out on a 2 on 1 fast break with Rudy, receiving an alley oop that he slammed home effortlessly. 

Is he all the way back?  I don't think so.  During the close out defense and halfcourt drills yesterday his footwork didn't seem up to snuff. I've always thought of Martell as an average lateral defender and he certainly wasn't looking better than I remembered in terms of the positioning of his feet and the speed of his "reaction-to-action" on defense.

Nothing to be surprised by, nothing to be worried about.  If anything I would say he's ahead of where I was expecting him to be given where he was during Summer League tryouts. But still not far enough along to reclaim his starting spot. 

For more on Webster, check out this piece from Joe Freeman.

Nic Batum

I must wholeheartedly agree with Casey Holdahl who said on a recent Blazers.com Podcast with Dave and Gavin Dawson that he fully, fully, fully expects Nic to keep his starting position.  Batum improved throughout the course of last season and has improved since I last saw him in person.  

Last year he earned the nickname Nicky Barnes for his toughness in playing through injury and, despite the baby face, he's more intimidating on the court than ever.  The standout moments for Nic today came when he switched onto Bayless, first picking up him up during transition and then later after switching on a pick-and-roll.  Last year, although Nic rightfully earned kudos for his defensive abilities, you might recall seeing him overly shuffle his feet on the perimeter when he was matched up with a quicker guard and worried about getting beaten off the dribble.  Whether someone has coached that out of him or if he's simply settling in, that tendency was nowhere to be found while guarding Bayless, even when he was out on an island.  In fact, quite the opposite: he looked like a hawk circling prey, his long arms extended, his head on a swivel looking for picks, his eyes locked in on Bayless's waist.  In both instances, Bayless passed the ball rather than take Batum one-on-one.  

Nate's emphasis on defensive rebounding seemed to be heeded by the entire team.  Nic was one of a few guys who seemed to be crashing the glass extra hard.  With his length and increased strength, I wouldn't be surprised to see an uptick in his rebounding numbers this season.  I suppose it comes down to how many minutes he plays but like I said above, he seems like a no-brainer starter at the 3. 

Juwan Howard

Juwan Howard was unafraid to take and make shots when he found himself open during today's scrimmage.  He moved well and looks like he can still play.  

He's the old guy you don't want to play pickup ball against because he has all the crafty tricks.  Leaking out after Rudy blocked a Travis Outlaw shot from behind, Howard sealed Travis off from the key as the ball switched crosscourt from left to right.  All that was needed was a simple dump pass to the basket and Howard found himself with a wide open layup on the right side of the hoop.  Easy 2 points earned through sheer guile. 

Ime Udoka

Ime is competing hard but appeared confused at times, looking to the sidelines for help.  Hard to get a read on whether he or Collins will grab that last roster spot.  If Nic keeps playing like he has been, I'd lean towards Collins. I'm not sure what will end up being the deciding factor but that's what it would boil down to for me.

Kix Pix 

Here's some more sneakers.  LOVE Monty Williams's Jordans but couldn't convince anyone else to agree with me on that.  Here's the full-size slideshow with details.

Here's a nice look at Andre Miller from Brian T. Smith.

And be sure to check out Jason Quick's post regarding the conditioning test results. MILLER FAILED. 

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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Fantastic Ben, thanks!

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Sep 30, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

The Oden news gets me giddy....

I think were all going to be blown away by his improvement this season.

Blazersedge is not a message board, its a lifestyle- Ben

by colewagoner on Sep 30, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Video from the team

2nd Day of Practice

You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players

by TheOdenator on Sep 30, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Man, Ben may be measured after seeing the whole practice

But that video almost reads as a Webster highlight reel. Good to have him back.

by Royster on Sep 30, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

great point royster — a good time for an editorial note here: these training camp reports are based solely on first hand observations and occassionally on/off the record statements. the team has been putting out content from practice that occurs prior to media availability period (last 30 minutes of practice). that content is not included in these daily reports but may be included in later wrap posts. definitely check it out.

by Ben Golliver on Sep 30, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I'm taking your word over the spliced video

30 minutes of observation >>>>>> 2 minutes of highlights

by Royster on Sep 30, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, just out of curiosity

was the alley oop in the video the one you mentioned in the wrap, or was this happening multiple times?

by Royster on Sep 30, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m trying not to watch the extra video to avoid confirmation bias, at least until Tuesday. these guys go for 2 hours and we see 20-30 minutes of game play plus assorted drills and shooting.

by Ben Golliver on Sep 30, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Martell brought it down on the right side

dished over to Rudy, and Rudy (no dribble) gave a quick oop to Martell, who put it down one-handed (right hand). Sound like the same one?

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2009 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite part is the dump down pass from Miller to Oden

looking forward to a lot of that this season

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by Matt Daddy on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller knows how to pass the ball!

on that feed early in the video to Outlaw and again later to Oden.

No hesitation. Excellent timing.

As good as Oden and Martell looked in this, seeing smart, quick passing on the Blazers is the best news!

by Blazin' on Sep 30, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2009 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked the defense

Roy penetrated and reverse-spiun, but Miller was there to steal Brandon’s pass and slyly grin. Just like last year, when Philly beat Portland at the RG

Martell came flying from out of nowhere to block Ime’s layup, then scrapped for the loose ball

good stuff

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by two4larue on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looked like Martell had pretty good D on Brandon on that play, too

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by jscot on Oct 1, 2009 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, you a baller, Ben.

Going all Dave-esque on us with a 5,000 word report. I like it.

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Blake > Andre

by prezofdeath on Sep 30, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Oden's weight

Have we heard any sort of measurement on what he weighs? He looks lighter, yes, but has anyone said how much lighter?

http://www.blazerstrail.com

by jetcity on Sep 30, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Not yet. But I heard he has grown a quarter of an inch, and a full inch since the Blazers drafted him.

6’11.75" without shoes now.

"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard

by Norsktroll on Sep 30, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is this coming from?

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Sep 30, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno about you guys...

But I round up, then add 1.

So he’s 7’1’’ in my book.

by Jeremiah S on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Basketball players like to round up

then add one, then wear high heals, round up again, and add 2.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Sep 30, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't he a flat 6'11" when he was drafted?

I think that’s what his pre-draft measurements are.

Just a 1/4 of an inch, so no big biggie.

by Mortimer on Sep 30, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still...

That number 7 is just seems more intimidating on paper…

by Jeremiah S on Sep 30, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i believe he was

6’11" without shoes and 7’0" with. So, if he has indeed grown to 6’11.75" without shoes it stands to reason he would be about 7’0.75". I’d say it’s pretty safe to round up to 7’1"

I wish I spent more time playing catch with you and less time training my body and mind to kill you...

by 1badbadger on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A quarter inch gain?

That sounds like swelling in the feet. Panic mode on.

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The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Oct 1, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

no official word. goal weight is 170ish but he’s not there yet

by Ben Golliver on Sep 30, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

170 might be a little light for Greg

but it’d be real impressive if he could get there.

by Royster on Sep 30, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds unhealthy.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Sep 30, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Greg was 170

He would have to tie knots in his underwear to have a butt.

bbk

by BBK on Sep 30, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

edit: i meant 70 pounds not 170…………….

by Ben Golliver on Sep 30, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

^ trolling for more corrections ^

by Ben Golliver on Sep 30, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I figured 370 was more realistic

Go for a Tractor Traylor-esque physique.

by Royster on Oct 1, 2009 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

we weren’t asking for the target weight of his left quadricep… I think the original question was asking about his total body mass.

smh.

"If the Lakers are Hollywood, then we are South Central." - Clipper fan.

by Cablinasian on Sep 30, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to his BMI, he is obese

"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2009 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

BMI isn't really designed to be used by people that are 7' tall

Since it scales quadratically rather than cubically, BMI tends to overestimate how fat tall people are.

by trk on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Norskie prolly knows that

It’s why it’s a funny joke.

—M

by Mortimer on Oct 1, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like what im hearing

on most guys, but it bugs me that andre miller failed the conditioning test. when guys are using training camp to get into shape it usually doesent mean good things

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by staceyaugmon4HOF on Sep 30, 2009 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

It's still a little worrisome

that Miller failed the test when players like Juwan Howard passed easily. Especially when Miller is supposed to fit right into an uptempo offense

by Mattat on Sep 30, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can go up tempo

But his teams haven’t necessarily been up-tempo teams.

He’s a vet, I trust him to do what he needs to do. He’s also the only real new main player on the team who doesn’t know what to expect of Nate’s conditioning tests… the other new guys are fighting for a spot so they damn well BETTER pass.

M—

by Mortimer on Sep 30, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

And...

Did anyone else read the Steve Blake being 24 seconds under on the timing?

If Miller is +8, and Blake is -24, then Blake obviously has been working on speed… Probably enjoyed getting run past by Aaron Brooks about as much as we enjoyed seeing it, eh?

by Jeremiah S on Sep 30, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Running these extended sprints

is way more about endurance than it is about speed or quickness. Blake’s top speed is probably roughly the same (it’s rare to really improve your fast twitch muscle reactions after age 26 or so), but he’s in better shape, so he’s able to run the full set of lines at something like 99% speed rather than 95%. I’d still bet on Bayless or Miller beating him in a single court length sprint even though they finished behind him here.

And even a single court length is pretty pointless to judge by (how often do guys find themselves in foot races without the ball for a full court length?) Far more important is that first two steps.

by Royster on Sep 30, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

But the endurance is important too of course

Because people have to make those two steps after running around the court for 30 minutes.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Sep 30, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

One place Miller looks blindingly fast: reading and reacting.

I still claim n00b status on understanding what’s happening on the court in any real detail, but that highlight video suggests to me that Miller seems to make passing decisions and then comitting the pass faster than I’m used to seeing with Blake.

by conspirator5 on Sep 30, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Video

Wow, Greg is noticeably slimmer in that video! It’s nice. He’s not so puffed up looking. I think by mid-season, watch out!

by Stryder9 on Sep 30, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m excited.

"If the Lakers are Hollywood, then we are South Central." - Clipper fan.

by Cablinasian on Sep 30, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Travis passed Nates test 2nd day of camp....

I have never been more proud of him than I am today.
Now, go get those rebounds !!!

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by FrenchieFan on Sep 30, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

One of the more exciting things that Blazers fans got a glimpse of was the insane chemistry of

Rudy and Martell. How many lobs did Rudy throw to Martell on a fast break? A lot. That was all before the season started to. Look for those two to get some attention with how well they play together on the court.

by BRoyInThe4th on Sep 30, 2009 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

totally agree

Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!

by CroRupt on Sep 30, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

they had that last year, too

in the preseason game Webster got hurt against Sac, he and Rudy were working the break

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by two4larue on Sep 30, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah you beat me to it.

I was going to say exactly the same thing. I was really hyped to see Rudy and Martell’s two-man magic following that Sac game, and that POed me more than anything else about Martell’s injury. I really get the sense that Martell, who is an off-the-ball player, has really been inspired by seeing Rudy in action and being on the floor with him. Assuming Martell stays healthy, I predict a lot more backdoor cuts from Martell when the ball swings to the other side of the basket.

by conspirator5 on Sep 30, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

this may be yet another good reason to start Batum at SF

and keep the Rudy-Martell synergy together, coming in off the bench

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by two4larue on Oct 2, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you are a coach preparing to play the Blazers

And you are looking at Rudy,Martell,Dre,Travis+pick your poison at center coming off the bench you would have to be a little concerned.

by southern oregon on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Is there a way...

To get an entire practice on video? I’d love to see a 2 hour stream of Blazers playing basketball so we can see not only the good, but also the bad. For me, being a good fan isn’t just being able to know why my team is good, but also being able to find flaws, and areas which need to improve. If your team doesn’t have flaws, then you’re on the bandwagon, as far as I’m concerned.

by Jeremiah S on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

The media is only allowed in for 30 minutes of each practice.

I’m not sure if the team would ever release such a video, but based on the media policy, I’m guessing not.

Pubert Jones > Hedo

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

I don’t know if I’m just a basketball nerd, but one of my favorite videos of the Summer was one posted by Casey Holdahl, I believe where we had a camera focused solely on Greg Oden at the Team USA camp. It was a fairly long video, but had him making mistakes as well as doing things well. I like to see that, lol.

by Jeremiah S on Sep 30, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple of questions.

1. Why are Nic and Rudy listed as “incomplete” on Quick’s report of the conditioning test? Does it have to do with their international play?
2. Travis tends to start the season slow and play himself into shape. Any indication of that happening this year, or does it look like he’s been working in the offseason?
3. How does Travis’ defense look? Any noticeable improvement?
4. Who’s the (very) early winner between Miller and Blake? Any chance of Bayless pushing for some of their minutes?

Thanks for the awesome work, Ben! Can’t wait for the season!

Pubert Jones > Hedo

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nic and Rudy

McMillan allowed them to skip the condition test due to their summer of international ball.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Sep 30, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

1. correct

Nic and Rudy didn’t “test” cuz Nate and staff know they just got done w/ EuroBasket meaning they’re already in basketball shape and ahead of other folks

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by NEP on Sep 30, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I know...

1) Euroleague Play = Free Pass on conditioning.
2) Travis came into camp in shape this year. Its a contract year, and he knows it.
3) I can’t comment on Defensive Improvements by Travis, because I simply do not know.
4) Early winner thus far appears to be Blake. I read in either the Holdahl Blog or the Barrett Blog that Blake is fighting extremel hard, and the results from the conditioning test seems to back it up. And, as for Bayless getting some minutes, just trying to piece together the bits that I’ve seen, I don’t think he will. In the video, after the Rudy to Martell dunk, you see and hear Bayless saying “God Damn”, then in the Quick conditioning piece, Martell says that Bayless was scared about the conditioning test. Just little things, but it makes me think his mind isn’t right. I think he’s more worried about not screwing up, than he is about succeeding. It plagued him some in Summer League, because he knows what we want from him. I think that if he were to emulate Andre Miller more, in the get in, do work, get out approach, it would benefit him tremendously.

by Jeremiah S on Sep 30, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

travis has been bent over a few times tired but certainly doesn’t look out of shape. i think this is a relative non issue with travis this year. he could easily see his minutes cut.

not enough info on travis’s defense. check back later this week.

too early to call on the PG battle. but blake hasn’t done anything to give the spot up that i’ve heard about on or off the record. so if nate is serious about sticking with his incumbent it’s still blake’s spot at this point.

by Ben Golliver on Sep 30, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very cool.

Once again, thanks for your hard work, Ben. I’m very curious to see if Travis worked on adding dimensions to his game this summer or if he just hoised a lot of shots.

Thanks to everyone else who answered, as well.

Pubert Jones > Hedo

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ben

Thanks.

So you see signs of Greg & Nicholas both blossoming in year 2? That’s all I need to know or would ever want for this, our beloved Blazers season 2009/2010.

Defense = Improvement = Me So Happy I Sleep Better

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by Heymoe on Sep 30, 2009 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

conditioning results

I’m a little shocked to see Oden outrunning the guards? Seems hard to believe. Outlaw and Cunningham are greyhounds, I would expect to see them at the top.

http://www.blazerstrail.com

by jetcity on Sep 30, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Travis has always had issues with the conditioning test.

I think I remember it being due to his asthma?

From the Quick article linked above:

Travis Outlaw, who has passed the test on the first try only once in five seasons (two years ago), came in Tuesday night with two seconds to spare.

The players pair up and run the sprints together, and Outlaw ran with close friend Brandon Roy.

"Brandon wanted to make sure Trav passed this year,’’ Webster said. "So he ran by him and pushed him.’’

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by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read that.

I was surprised. Outlaw is one of those guys that you look at and think: “fast”. Still, speed and conditioning are two very different things. Interesting though.

http://www.blazerstrail.com

by jetcity on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The times are relative

Since centers got 4 extra seconds per set than guards, Oden would have to beat a guard by 16 seconds total to post a faster time. So even though Brandon was only +3 to Oden’s +18, in terms of raw time, he still beat Greg by a second.

by Royster on Sep 30, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

Thanks, that’s important info. I skimmed it and missed that the bigs got an extra 4 seconds over the guards. Still, impressive feat for Oden.

http://www.blazerstrail.com

by jetcity on Sep 30, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Total Times

Name Time position total time
Steve Blake -24 G 220
the Inferno -18 F 238
LaMarcus -18 F 238
J. Bayless -5 G 239
Brandon Roy -3 G 241
Ime Udoka -15 F 241
Greg Oden -18 C 242
M. Webster -14 F 242
J. Howard -10 F 246
D. Taylor +6 G 250
J. Przybilla -10 C 250
Andre Miller +8 G 252
T. Outlaw -2 F 254
J. Collins -5 C 255
Q. Hosley +2 F 258

Looking at the rules for the conditioning test, you can determine a player’s actual time to complete the 4 sets instead of just what their time is relative to their goal. Looked at this way, Blake’s total time of 220 seconds is even more impressive: he was 18 seconds ahead of Aldridge and Cunningham who were the next fastest players. Greg Oden is pretty much in the middle of the pack, although that is still very impressive for a guy his size. His conditioning is clearly a lot better than it was this time last year, when he seemed to get tired just from being in a game for a couple minutes.

by trk on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg may be middle of the pack

but he’s only four seconds off of second place.

Remember, at the pre-draft camp he was timed fastest up and down the court, faster than the guards, too.

This could get scary.

I’m impressed with Juwan’s time, for an old guy. Maybe he isn’t quite done yet, he’s reported in condition.

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2009 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hollinger's piece was haunting...

November can’t come soon enough…

A week ago, such an assertion would seem absurd. But as of Saturday evening, it's not ridiculous to now call Oregon the Pac-10's new frontrunner.

by NW_BRED on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Great stuff, Ben.

This is exciting.

And from just seeing that two minute clip from practice, I am sure that Andre Miller will be our starting point guard.

Unless Roy’s style of play does not work will with an assistmaker like Miller. Which would be pretty strange.

If Andre and Greg are playing on the second team, they really might be better than our starting team.

by Blazin' on Sep 30, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions  

More minutes than Blake

(Homer alert!) Bayless will be finishing games because we’re up by 30.

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2009 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Oden is a good as Ben makes him sound then the Blazers are going to be brutally good. Oden doesn’t even have to be that great, because if he’s on the court he is going to be a force.

by goblazer1 on Sep 30, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

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