Looks like Hedo is starting to break..
by halo_on on Sep 30, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
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Here's some recent updates from Eurobasket and day one of training camp. I'm not sure he even makes it one year with the Raptors before his game starts declining noticably. Just goes to show you, when you do the right thing (Blazer's front office), good things happen to you. I'd call Hedo the Raptor (and not a Blazer) a good thing. I'll even go as far as saying that signing Hedo may have been the end of our championship hopes over the next few years. Too much money for so much risk.
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9/29/2009
As expected, Chris Bosh and Hedo Turkoglu did not participate in contact drills during the Toronto Raptors' first day of training camp at Carleton University in Ottawa. Bosh, hampered by a strained hamstring, took some free throws as his teammates participated in some more physical activity, while Turkoglu sat off to the side. Turkoglu's fatigue, however, has a new name.
"He may be dealing with some [quadriceps] tendonitis relating to some overuse."
9/22/2009
Hedo Turkoglu wasn't sharp during the recent EuroBasket tournament -- he looked tired and struggled with soreness in his knee. Turkoglu wound up averaging just 9.8 points on 33% shooting, and Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo said the team will give him "some strategic rest" during the preseason. This is a warning flag for fantasy owners, but a few weeks' rest could be all he needs.
9/15/2009
Doug Smith of the Toronto Star reports that Hedo Turkoglu has some "minor soreness in one of his knees," though apparently the Raptors aren't concerned. The injury is "causing some issues with his mobility" and is probably the result of a EuroBasket schedule that required Turkoglu to play five games in five days. He should be fine heading into training camp, but this is worth keeping an eye on.
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Lucky
I think we’ll look back on his non-signing as a huge break for the Blazers. Nothing against the guy, always liked him as a player, but it’s pretty easy to imagine him turning up on some “Worst NBA Contracts” lists in a couple years.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions
I don't know that its BETTER to be lucky than good
but I don’t mind if the Blazers are both.
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
I say
I say good luck to Hedo. It was nothing but business. I wish him well….oh wait, my wife changed my mind…..screw him…I’m glad he’s not a blazer.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Sep 30, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 12 recs
lol
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Sep 30, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
It's looking like christmas up in here
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by 123_G.O._RipCity on Sep 30, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The Blazers management needs to take a hard look at themselves and question the logic they used to decide...
… to offer him 5/50+. They lucked out and now they need to make sure they never offer a 5 year deal at that price to a player on the wrong side of 30, unless said player is legitimate star, not an average to slightly above-average player like Hedo.
by jksnake99 on Sep 30, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
He was seen as the top available FA
And they wanted to make a splash. In retrospect, glad we dodged this one though.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
That's the problem, not an excuse
As you say, “He was seen” and “they wanted to make a splash”. It was a weird Daniel Snyder type move, grabbing at shiny objects. It didn’t at all comport with the KP-era Blazers playing the numbers and making smart moves.
They aren't going to have that money available again, anyway
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Some people just aren't good with money.
Heck, look at all of Paul Allen’s failed business ventures.
Or, with regards to basketball, the ridiculous Darius Miles contract, which may’ve been what ultimately saved Allen from himself by preventing the organization offerring Hedo Turkoglu an even more absurd contract offer.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
assuming "He-Neverdid" may have been a Allen favorite, this wouldn't be the first time that chance saved him from another failure of a business move...
remember a few years ago when he wanted to sell the blazers?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Fanpost worthy.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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I still contend
our attempt to pay too much for too long to sign Hedo was a result of Paul Allen’s desire to accelerate our championship time-line which was likely a result of the health problems he had recently experienced.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
Even if Paul Allen was the man who initiated the talks of signing Hedo Turkoglu, Kevin Pritchard ...
should’ve had both the business and basketball acumen to explain to his boss that making such a move would be a grave mistake. As it was, though, Pritchard caved into to misguided demands of his reportedly ill-stricken boss — at least in accordance to your scenario — which is poor management.
In the end, the Portland Trail Blazers were lucky to get burned by Turkoglu—there’s no doubt about it!
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
I can't disagree with that.
In his situation – being primarily interested in the present – Allen could understandably have been paying little heed to the long term consequences of that signing. With or without Allen to run the show, KP I’d think would be interested in the long term. Still he had to be loyal to his bosse’s desires. Allen probably said go out and get the best FA available, but unfortunately there wasn’t much remaining in the pool to pick from.
I’m not convinced Miller is right either (can he mesh with Roy?). Far better than the Turkoglu attempt though.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
can you imagine this scenario?
Paul Allen is being wheeled down the hospital corridor, and KP is walking alongside the gurney, getting “last minute instructions” before PA goes under anesthesia
“Kevin” says Paul in a weak whisper, “I don’t know if I’m going to pull through this surgery, so I need you to promise me something!”
“Anything, Mr. Allen Just say the word and I’ll make sure it gets done” replies KP
“Make Hedo an offer that he can’t refuse, so I can die a happy man!” PA’s voice trails off as the ER doors close. Meanwhile, KP is left in the coridor, fishing in his pocket for a fresh Blackberry battery…
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Yeah, Kevin Pritchard and his cronies should thank their lucky stars that Hedo Turkoglu saved their ...
inane mystique in the eyes of homerisitc Portland fans by passing on the Trail Blazers offer and heading off to Canadad. I, however, am unsure if Pritchard has yet to realize the he dodged that proverbial bullet.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
How the heck did I manage to misspell Canada?
Eh, I apologize to all the Canuckleheads out there.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
who's your canadaddy
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
at the risk of being Homeristic...
…I think Pritchard has done a fine job. Hedo may well burn out in Toronto, if for no other reason than he is another soft player on a Charmin-soft team. But I mentally inserted him into the Blazer line-up and it doesn’t look so bad. I am still a little intrigued by the possibilities.
With him or without him, I like the lineup Pritchard has put together for $56 million a lot better than other lineups, say, Houston’s put together by Morey for $74 million. I count six power forwards and one center, albeit a perimeter oriented center who has not played in the NBA. I don’t know if they’ve invited any others to camp. Ostertag? To pour on Morey some more, I’ll say Trevor Ariza is this year’s Shandon Anderson. Or he might be as great he thinks he’ll be
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Sep 30, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Daryl Morey can't be blamed for the Houston Rockets large payroll, as he had nothing to do ...
with Tracy McGrady getting traded to the team back in 2004. Oh, and for whatever it’s worth, Trevor Ariza is much better than a prime Shandon Anderson, although it’s fair to wonder how he’ll mesh offensively with Shane Battier.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
they'll mesh perfectly - one will set up in one corner, the second in the other
they can draw straws on who gets a kickout from Brooks
But honestly: do they have a second center on that team, or any player who has played 5 competently in the NBA? This is stunning to me
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Oct 1, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Chuck Hayes, despite his small stature is a good defender at the C position
David Andersen has a chance to be a Matt Bonner like player with his outside shooting ability from the C position.
Is that the ceiling for Anderson?
And backing up the new Bonner? Chuck Hayes, who yes is a good defender, but with limitations. Side note – Bonner is a center because Duncan is a PF.
I love Scola, and to a certain extent Hayes and Landry. I don’t fear any two of those three on the floor together, without a legitimate center in the game. Maybe Anderson spreads the floor. Adelman will be hard pressed to create a system for this squad
Incidentally, I find it ironic that one of Morey’s great coups is scooping up Scola, foolishly let loose by the Greatest GM in Basketball RC Buford. He would’ve looked good playing next to Duncan. As it is, I look forward to Duncan or Ratliff or McDyess or Bonner chasing around quicker power forwards with range. Like the one we have
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Oct 1, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Scola is ugly
He will never look good playing next to anyone.
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He still coulda' traded McGrady many times over before this past season
When it was clear he would always have reoccurring injuries AND not lead the team past the 1st round.
MOREY DOESN’T HAVE THE GUTS TO PULL OFF THAT TRADE.
Now he has two very expensive players who are great when healthy but no one will ever expect them to be regularly healthy weighing down his expensive payroll. Whether he made it that way or not, he didn’t deal with it even when everyone knew it was only a matter of time for either to get traded… and they were not good enough to win it all even when fully healthy.
Why is Morey so bad at GMing?!
Mortimer
PS: Obviously I do not think Morey is a bad GM, he is very bright and awesome at getting role players. BUT, many of the same criticisms we use on our own guy can be leveled at Morey. He didn’t pull a trigger on a deal back when he could have, instead sitting on his hands and not listening to all of the obvious evidence the entire world could see!
All this criticism of the offer to Hedo
is unfounded.
Paul Allen was told he would have to pay luxury tax on everything we paid Hedo, starting in 2011-12 (when Greg’s max or near max contract kicks in). He was told KP would be back for money to pay Rudy, and Nic, and perhaps Jerryd.
And he said spend what it takes.
His money.
We’ll be in luxury tax range forever anyway, either way, starting 2012.
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Are the Blazers saying that they value Hedo
over LaMarcus over the next 5 years? If not, where is LMA’s money hiding?
its a different animal
the Blazers are in a much different negotiating position with LMA— he’s under contract for this season, and then would be a restricted free agent (meaning they could match any offer) even if he doesn’t extend. The two situations aren’t really comparable. Aldridge will get signed.
So
is LMA (agent) just over valuing him self that much and the Blazers are expecting for him to get a reality check come free agency? What is he worth right now?
another question
is where would our financial system be with a Hedo 50/5 signing? Would it be possible (balancing all other contracts and expected contracts) to mach him?
Even if we'd signed Hedo, we could still sign LMA
because you are allowed to go over the salary cap to sign your own players. The extra money for Hedo would just mean Paul Allen would have to spend some more.
Your own ones. And there are some differences depending on the amount of time they have been with your team (2 years, 3 years) and if they are coming off their first rookie contracts.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
where would our financial system be…(balancing all other contracts and expected contracts)
I thought this comment by the owner yesterdy was telling
As you go forward, how do you balance the finances of this franchise? You’ve got ongoing negotiations with Aldridge and multiple players in contract years and Greg Oden’s contract will come up soon.
"That’s something you have to look at very carefully and look at all the financial projections and then you may, down the road, you may have some very tough decisions about whether you extend players and for how long and the total amounts. So, yeah, that’s something you look at very carefully. You look at some of the very successful franchises, they’ve managed to figure out how to do that and still have a very successful franchise."
If Hedo turning down the 5/50 and bolting to Toronto helps Portland extend Blake and Przy in the next 1-2 years, then it will be even greater “addition by subtraction”
But I agree that someone needs to hold KP’s feet to the fire a little bit more re: the Turk offer. If “going after Hedo to the max” was a mandate from Paul Allen, did the front office have the assurances that there would be money available “down the road” to keep the existing veterans AND Hedo around? Allen’s comments above are ambiguous enough to cast doubt, and I think the team does need to be careful who they extend, and for how much (looking at you, Travis…)
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Yeah, that was very telling
It tells us there are contract negotiations going on and he doesn’t want to look like he’s throwing money around.
The Hedo offer is far more telling. He’s in spend to win mode.
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no....they want to give LMA less money than Roy
and LMA and agent are on board with this idea. Problem is that we don’t know (and can’t know) what Roy will be making so it is hard to figure out what to offer LMA
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Sep 30, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
it can't just be that
LMA wouldn’t be so dis-trot (sp) if it was just an issue of waiting for the max contract to be set.
he probably just didn't anticipate the length of time required
to iron out these issues
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
As it's been reported
both sides agree that Lma is a 85-50% max player. Therefore Lma would start at somewhere betweeen 85-90% of max. But the max amount won’t be known before 2010, and so both sides are arguing over the projected max amount to set the 85-90% mark.
right now his future earnings are this yr and next yr’s deals totalling what like $9 mil?
as soon as he signs this deal, he’s guaranteed $50-65 mil.
can’t imagine how stressful it is hoping you dont get hurt or something else random in the meantime…
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Which is what I was wondering with Martell. Was his foot hurting him before he was offered a contract and he just didn’t mention it?
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
He was out injured
when he was offered that contract.
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I thought it was announced that he was injured a couple days after the contract. Too lazy to do research, therefore you are correct.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
nope
Webster was hurt in Sept, and signed the deal in Oct. We speculated at the that Portland might not make him an offer before the 31st because he was hurt, but the two sides came to an amicable agreement
The Blazer’s family was “taking care” of one of their own, and Webster’s camp probably gave Portland a “NW discount” to take a load off of Martell’s mind while he was rehabbing, and to provide him some long-term security in case his foot was never the same, following surgery
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We speculated at the...
*time
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I suspect you've nailed it entirely
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All hail laziness
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woo
too lazy for punctuation
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
so Webster's extension
was a calculated risk, by both sides. One could argue who took the greater risk, the organization didn’t know (last October) how well his rehab would progress, and Martell’s agent didn’t know how much better of an offer they may have gotten if they waited until MW was healthy and productive, again
If Webster becomes “starter’s material” again (and everyone is saying he’s jumping higher than anyone in camp—that’s pretty awesome news) then his contract for the next 3+ years will be a bargain—whether he stays around, or if KP decides to add him to a deal to thin out the roster in the future
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As it turned out
the team had to pay more than if they had waited — Martell couldn’t have had that good an offer this summer. But everyone thought he would be back by December, so it was a risk both ways.
But by having him signed, we didn’t have a large cap hold to mess us up, either.
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No.
The Raptors are saying they value Hedo over Bargnani.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Do you want the soft euro on the left
Or the soft euro on the right
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by 123_G.O._RipCity on Sep 30, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to say I'm upset we missed out on him
but isn’t writing him off for the season just a bit premature?
sweet and sour
We have all been crying “sour grapes” ever since we were collectively jilted by Hedo. Even those of us who never wanted him—then tried to accept it at the last minute—seemed to feel personally insulted. That said, is there anything sweeter than missing out on something, crying “sour grapes,” and then having the dude who got what you wanted say, “oh man, these grapes are sour”? Not to promote schadenfreude—ok, just a bit—but the only thing sweeter than watching Hedo at the end of Toronto’s bench in a couple of years will be watching “the Director” throw lobs to GO this year.
by unemployedreflection on Sep 30, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
watching "the Director" throw lobs to GO this year.
I think KP could’ve gotten Andre in a sign-and-trade deal, even if Hedo had agreed to sign with Portland. The Blazer’s PG experience/depth still needed to be upgraded, regardless. Which Blazers might’ve gone to Philly to complete this hypothetical Miller deal is up to debate. Perhaps Outlaw, perhaps Blake. (Maybe Bayless, but the 76’ers already have Louis Williams, so I’m not sure they would’ve been that interested in Jerryd…)
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Perhaps even Hedo, once the requisite time had passed after the signing
I can’t read their minds on the Hedo offer, but I imagine that more deals would have been forthcoming. I don’t even know the particulars of the 5/50 deal: was their a team or player option? were their performance bonuses? how was it spread out? Have these details come out?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Sep 30, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
they did
but you’ll have to go back in the (first week of) July archives to find them
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
too lazy, and its not that important
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
meaning I'm too lazy
and it doesn’t matter that much. At least one other team valued him more than we did, for which I’m grateful, though I was interested to see how he might be melded into the team
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Sep 30, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was interested to see how he might be melded into the team
Believe me, I was doing my best to defend the attempted signing, at the time. My thought-process was that KP/Nate were looking for someone to run side P&R with Oden, and they saw Hedo doing this successfully with Dwight Howard and decided Turk was the guy they “had” to have out of the FA class. I couldn’t figure out how in the world Hedo was going to improve the team at the defensive end, and the wing positions would’ve been even more crowded than they are now.
I suspect that KP had a follow-up deal in mind if Hedo signed, and (later) Jon Givony tweeted that Memphis was unhappy to not get a deal done for Travis because Utah decided to match Millsap’s offer
I noticed that Martell had some interesting comments re: Turk, earlier today
Webster said he fully embraced the Blazers’ summer pursuit of free agent Hedo Turkoglu, who was courted to play small forward.
“He’s a great player; I don’t blame them,” Webster said. “I’m still here. If (Turkoglu) were here, I would still be here, too. In this game, you have to make an effort to try and make your team as best as you can. And that’s what we tried to do. It’s a business.”
But didn’t the Turkoglu quest signal that the Blazers had doubts about Webster?
“Not even. (Turkoglu) would have to go out there and deal with me at the end of the day,” Webster said, chuckling. “If he’s here or if he’s not here, I still have to go out there and do what I’m supposed to do … be competitive, try to make him better, while at the same time try to make myself better. He’s a hell of a player and that would be more of a challenge for me. This is a business. If he would have been here, I love Hedo. He’s a great player. I kind of look up to him.”
I wonder if Travis would be so kind when asked about Turk coming to PDX. I already know how Rudy felt about the idea of Hedo in red/black…and he reiterated it again Monday, during Casey’s live chat
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Even before any wear and tear from his career, Hedo was already among the worst rebounders for a player his size seeing regular minutes EVER. Bottom 5 bad.
So is Andre Bargnani (bottom 10), but he still has time to correct that. Unfortunately so are also the Collins brothers, one of whom is in training camp with the Blazers – but we aren’t building around him. And LaMarcus is not that far away either, but like Bargnani his career will go on much longer.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
Hedo was already among the worst rebounders for a player his size seeing regular minutes EVER. Bottom 5 bad.
This makes the Hedo pursuit all the more puzzling, given Nate’s emphasis on defensive rebounding, right now. Could it be that Paul Allen saw Turk playing in the finals and requested that KP “make every effort” to acquire him? The news that we learned yesterday (Allen was preparing for heart surgery in July) makes idea this seem remote
So, was this yet another “disconnect” between the scouting staff and the coaching staff re: team needs and goals? (Nate wants rebounding = Millsap, KP likes Euros = Hedo, Sergio, etc?)
Things that make you go “hmmm…”
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Worst rebounders for his size
is “largely” irrelevant. He’s tall for a SF. We’re not looking for a great defensive rebounder at the SF position. It’s nice if we get it, but it is hardly a priority at that spot.
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Hedo Turkoglu would've played a lot of 4 like Vladimir Radmanovic did under Nate McMillan ...
with the Seattle SuperSonics earlier this decade; thus, it’s fair to assume that the Turk’s declining skills, offensive inefficiency, soft defense, and aversion to rebounding the basketball would’ve hurt this team incredibly had that reckless contract offer been signed, sealed, and delivered.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
He wouldn't have played a lot of 4
because we have LMA. And if he did, it would be against backups, and next to a rebounding machine at center.
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Ahh, whatever.
Best of luck to Hedo.
And nothing they are talking about sounds serious.
If I were Toronto I would limit his minutes a lot, or fake an injury, so that he can get the soreness out.
But it isn’t like we’re worried about Toronto anyway. Hedo does real well they will still suck.
All their hopes rest on JJ’s shoulders.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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best of luck is right
no reason to give Hedo the Darius treatment.
by SonsofShawnKemp on Sep 30, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we move on already?
I hope Hedo plays really well and helps the Raptors. Jack is on that team, so I’ll be rooting for him.
How would we like it if a fan of another team prematurely speculates Oden is a bust due to soreness during training camp?
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Honest answer to that specific scenario
would be me really not caring. It’s not like we haven’t heard every other possible reason. Media and fans alike.
I'd think they were a vindictive idiot.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Also hoping people move on
This is becoming childish behavior. So he didn’t sign to work for your favorite basketball establishment, get over it. I hate when people turn on players as soon as they’re not part of their organization.
The funny thing is: A lot of people here turned against the signing BEFORE it happened - for various reasons - so now it's more like a "see, we knew it"
Childish? Maybe
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
Yeah, there was a lot of foresight concerning Hedo Turkoglu amongst us more intuitive NBA fans.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
nothings happened yet
in fact hedo could turn out to be a good contributor for the raptors, its all conjecture until the NBA season starts, not training camp or the pre season, better to wait until at least the all star break before we can honestly see whether hedo would have been a good FA pickup or not. possibly we can analyse andre millers impact then as well
Yeah, move on
Give him a good booing next time he comes to town, and again next year. He’s earned that. Other than that, we have a great team, and don’t need him.
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Why would anyone boo Hedo Turkoglu?
I’d like to thank him for not coming to Portland.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
You always boo people who turned you down
even if you are glad later.
It’s like the guy who asked a girl to marry him, and she said no. Even if he’s glad later that he didn’t end up with her, she isn’t likely to be his favorite person.
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I'm more like AK.
I would be happy with her for saying no. I’m not big into grudges that aren’t against the LA Lakers.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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I won't take delight in his sucking, if he does
BUT we should wait and see if he actually DOES suck. Maybe Hedo works well in Toronto. I think he would have helped us more than he’ll help Toronto, since we’d be asking him to be a role player, not a co-star.
Andre is a better deal, but I am fine with PA paying what he wants… though, yeah, that is likely an awful deal for Hedo.
For sportsmanlike reasons, for karmic reasons, but ’it’s way too early’ reasons, we shouldn’t try to make it like Hedo is a bust already and take delight in his failures, if he does indeed not play well. Who knows?
I’m fine not liking him, I just think we should wait and see how it plays out before claiming victory on not getting him. Though of course, yeah, I think we were very lucky there.
Morty
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