Don't Tease Us, Joe Freeman!
One of my most sacred and basic rules of interpreting the league is this: Never believe anything you read in pre-season regarding a player's improvement. 95% of the time you're going to be safe this way. Early autumn redemption stories are so standard they're clichés. Almost all of them are buried before the winter snow flies. Don't buy in until you've seen it demonstrated. During the regular season. Repeatedly.
But then along comes that silver-tongued devil Joe Freeman with this story on Greg Oden. Oh Joe, why do you tempt me so? I wasn't going to do this. My resolve was strong. But that piece...that lovely piece. It could have been photocopied straight from the "100 Things We Want to Hear About Greg Oden" manual. Among the tidbits shared:
- Oden is lighter and more mobile.
- Oden is relaxed and jovial.
- Oden wants to start.
- Oden is ripping up the court.
- Oden has been working like a madman over the summer.
- Oden's offense looks more effective.
- Oden is healthy.
- Oden might be able to stay out of foul trouble this year.
- All of this has been seconded by the Blazers staff.
Freeman ends with these quotes:
"I think he's back to the guy that we met when he got drafted," Aldridge said. "Back to having fun, more easy-going, more laid back. It seems like he's happy to be here again, like when I first met him."
And to those who still have doubts, [Assistant Coach Bill] Bayno has a simple message:
"You'll see," he said. "You'll see."
All I can say is: Shut up. You had me at "Hello".
So what are we to do? Read the article yourself. Greg Oden is clearly the biggest single variable to Portland's success this year. Do you believe yet? Will you have to wait and see? Are we in for an explosion or a disappointment? Do reports like this change your expectations for Greg any? Weigh in below while I go take a cold shower.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Yeah... I am craving the start of the season
Now more then ever after reading that…
Who wants to see an Oden poster dunk on Shaq now?
"OK, it's going to rain tomorrow. And there is going to be a Greenpeace meeting and hippies are going to be protesting" ~ The Buffet of Goodness on Portland
by Blazer on Sep 29, 2009 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaq would
just move probably. “Tonight the part of Shaq will be played by the space where Shaq used to be.”
—Dave
by Dave on Sep 29, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said
Shaq has pretty much owned Greg so far so we’ll need to actually see the dunk before we crow about it.
—Dave
by Dave on Sep 29, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know...
However, most of the NBA has owned Greg so far.
If what Joe wrote is true… its going to be a wonderful maturing of Greg over the course of the season… and I still want to see Greg posterize Shaq.
"OK, it's going to rain tomorrow. And there is going to be a Greenpeace meeting and hippies are going to be protesting" ~ The Buffet of Goodness on Portland
by Blazer on Sep 29, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden already "dunked on Shaq" last year
it was on a pick and slip, I think Blake hit Greg with the pass and O’Neal pretty much gave up on the play
but then Shaq took Oden down on the left block and schooled him pretty good, later in the game
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Sep 29, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the dunk you're talking about.
It was in the beginning of Roy’s 52 point explosion game, Shaq and Greg were having a dunking contest to start the game. The one you’re talking about Shaq knew he was about to get posterized by a rookie and just kind of stepped away from the play after Steve passed it off.
by Bskey on Sep 29, 2009 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree that most have owned him
His limitations were first his recovery and then his mental toughness. But physically there were very few that could move him besides getting him to foul. His numbers were outstanding for a rookie per 36. Getting to 36 alone will change a lot of perceptions .
by lee3022 on Sep 29, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.
by KINGofMACct on Sep 29, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha! Hopefully, you'll be in the shower for the entire season!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Sep 29, 2009 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dave and a Toughnote: watching and blogging from a cold shower
Their game looks a little like Greg’s.
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put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Sep 29, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALA KRAMER
Germ o phobes watch out for the salad.
"CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES, SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, AND HEAR THE LAMENTATION OF THEIR WOMEN." CONAN
by SELFDESTRUCTABLE on Sep 29, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden's quote during the Canzano interview
When John asked him about Durant, Greg said “they can talk about woulda, coulda shoulda…but my team went to the playoffs in my first year. That’s what I tell myself”
scoreboard. The big guy gets it
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by two4larue on Sep 29, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
+1 for Oden
I'm in the business of bringing out the best in people.
by ECFIVESTER on Sep 29, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec. awesome GO quote
although i really dislike the fact that it was on Canzano’s show cuz i really dislike Canzano.
209 H.
by sctdnkl on Sep 29, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
download the podcasts, then skip ahead to the interviews
eat the fish, spit out the bones. Canzano’s not so bad when he’s just asking the questions
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by two4larue on Sep 29, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some thoughts
As we all saw last year, Oden looked tentative, slow and unsure of himself. This was largely due to the previous summer of simply rehabbing and not even being cleared until just before training camp.
We saw flashes of greatness, spots of mediocrity, and solid C play for the rest of the time he was on the court, not in foul trouble, with a better PER than Durant in his rookie year.
I am at once struck with the same, “I’ll believe it when I see it” skepticism that many other Blazer/NBA fans feel now, however there is one simple fact that remains:
This is the first full healthy offseason that Greg has had with professional level resources and coaching.
Considering that Greg with his limited summer training and rookie status still averaged 15/12 per 36, the simple fact that he is in much better shape alone leading to decreased fouls and more time on the court should put that at his basement production this year, not even mentioning any other work put in.
15pts/15reb/3b/60%fg/80%ft will put us in game 7 WCF vs the l*kers.
So even though this is preseason and I will not believe much of anything until I see it, I think this upcoming season will come closer to living up to expectations.
by SpyderRyder on Sep 29, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have not read anything about Greg's FT improvement but it must have been worked on
80% would blow the roof off.
by lee3022 on Sep 29, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
15 rebounds is pretty unlikely
Greg only averaged 11.6 rebounds per 36 last year, and centers generally don’t average 36 minutes per game. 30 min per game and 10 rebounds is seems like a much more reasonable prediction
by trk on Sep 29, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he plays 30 mpg
He’ll get 11-12 rpg.
He only plays 30 if he is really mobile and agile again. And if he has that, he’ll get more than 10 rebounds in 30 minutes.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think
Oden will bring his A game this season! & very much looking forward to it!
by portlandgiirl91 on Sep 29, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Despite the problems we all saw and read about last year he was good for a rookie
Bringing his mind/emotions into being tough as well plus his body finally healing from his surgery may indeed bring that element to the team that only comes into the league once in a decade or so – the dominant big man.
I am most pleased that Greg is having fun. With a lighter attitude he can become the clown replacing Channing and help the team gel even more. I don’t expect anything in the way of numbers from Greg. If he is having fun his physical gifts will produce and our window is open wide.
by lee3022 on Sep 29, 2009 1:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Bayno is a superstar in development coaching
He needs his props here. He has them.
by lee3022 on Sep 29, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't get too excited about off-season hype
don’t get too excited about off-season hype
don’t get too excited about off-season hype…………………
Nope, I can’t convince myself.
I like the commitment to a total program. He’s not just working on a handful of things. Oden changed his diet, he’s working on his defense, on his blocking, on his conditioning, on his offense and he’s back to his old happy self.
2 and a half months of 4 day a week 2 a days (plus basketball work on the “off days”) plus team USA mini camp (where they ran him ragged with the up tempo ball) plus the new diet should combine for a vastly better conditioned Greg Oden. Oh, and that whole not coming off a serious injury should help too.
Oden beasting is the best thing this team could hope for. Oh man, I hope it happens.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Sep 29, 2009 1:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Portland with a developed Oden might be the only WC team this year to stop Cleveland or Orlando
Dwight has his new jump shot. And Gortat back and Bass and Half Man (not sure he is still amazing). LeBron has Shaq and Big Z as well and Andy is one of the best PF in the league.
Who can match up with those two besides Portland in the West? Maybe LA can but not for 48 minutes. SA with an aging Duncan and McDyess and Dallas with Gooden and Dampier? Not likely.
This might be the year of the bigs.
by lee3022 on Sep 29, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is still *half* amazing
Carter scores a ton, but it’s almost all from outside. And he’s the go-to guy in the clutch. He had a great season with the Nets (my local team). Don’t count him out.
by Kaboomm on Sep 29, 2009 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget...
Cleveland also has Mo Williams. He’s a pretty big part of that team, got on the All-Star team after a few guys pulled out, but deserved to be on there more than some of those guys.
by Jeremiah S on Sep 29, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mo Williams only posted better stats because he was playing with LBJ.
Check out where his 3-pointers come from.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
by austinpwnz on Sep 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
VC still has most of his amazing athleticism
Watch this.
People act like Carter is old and not athletic any more, but that was from less than a month ago, and VC still looks like he could go out and win a dunk contest.
by trk on Sep 29, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
VC has become very underrated
From his time dogging it with the Raptors and being injury plagued a few years back.
Since then though, he’s putting up Roy-type numbers, though without the leadership and winning.
He’s still a very good player. Much better than Hedo.
M—
by Mortimer on Sep 29, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and a return to this Oden would be great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXbpB-rlung&feature=related
Magnum Power Index or Magnum P.I.
by Magnum on Sep 29, 2009 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe in Oden
Whether he breaks out this season, next, or the one after, I believe in Greg Oden.
He will be very good. It is, as it always was, just a matter of time.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Sep 29, 2009 1:44 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
+1
just need to keep him in a blazers jersey.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Sep 29, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only doubt (fear)
I have ever had with him is his health, I’ve never lost faith i his ability to be a good player. Though at draft time I was for drafting Durant, I now feel I was wrong, but actually because even if Kevin is very very good, I was expecting him to be even better…
by Blenzer on Sep 29, 2009 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worried/hoped Durant would be a transcendent player
I think, even though he is young and only played 2 years, he is clearly not. Too horrible a passer/playmaker, too bad at defense, to damaging to his team on the court, to REASONABLY think he’ll improve to decent levels at what he is bad at.
I too thought Durant would be better, and I am bummed with how they developed him. We always knew he could score, and they just make him focus on that. That isn’t what he needs to work on.
Like anyone, I worry about Oden’s health, but as long as the micro is healed and feels good (all reports say “yes”), he hasn’t had ANYTHING that is a reoccurring problem or something that will bother him in the long run. “Just” the micro. He’s been unlucky, but it isn’t like Yao where he’ just too big for his feet-bones to handle the weight.
So, I find myself just hoping his unlucky streak will end someday soon, because it isn’t something INHERENTLY wrong with his body, like with Bowie or Yao.
I had a lot of faith in Durant when he came into the league. I was happy we got Oden, but imagined Durant could become an all-round talent that could be almost ANYTHING. I’ve lost most of that wonder and faith with Durant, by just watching him the last two years. A Greg Oden who never averages more than 10/10 and plays tough defense will be worth more than Durant at his peak of winning scoring titles.
That’s how much Durant’s lack of passing and defense hurts his team… a center who is just a role player helps more.
I think Oden will be much more than that, but at the very least he will be a solid big man. Since I think scoring is cheap (even super efficient scoring, which Durant does— he isn’t an Iverson), and something we specifically do not have any problem with, a good big man is the easy and obvious choice.
One of my arguments back during the run up to the draft was “I think Oden is the RIGHT choice, but what if Durant was that special transcendent talent? That sure would be a lot more fun”.
If Durant was a Lebron or MJ, that would be true. If he isn’t, winning is a helluva lot more fun than a guy who scores a lot and losing.
Morty
by Mortimer on Sep 29, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the best summation of my feelings on Oden.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Sep 29, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dont tease me, bro.
blah blah blah blah lame comment - lame commenter
by Bandwagon Butcher on Sep 29, 2009 2:12 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I have been telling Bedgers for a while
that Bayno working with Oden over the summer was huge. When we lost Bill, I said it was a significant loss, and when he came back, I knew it was going to really, really help Greg.
It is tacky to say “I told you so,” but on the interweb, I can get away with it.
Remember, only marginal improvement out of Greg will make us a much better team. Just marginal improvement. If he becomes the player that dominated Horford, Noah, and Brewer in the NCAA Finals, if he just gets back to being that player, we’ll be better. If he actually improves over that level (and he probably has)….
A month. One month until the start of the season. Let’s roll.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 2:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's jscot alright.
Tacky.
Right, but tacky.
Guess when you are ruler of the universe, you can get away with it. Only it gets called quirky.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Sep 29, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's safer to call supreme leaders "quirky"
They might take offense at “tacky”.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
diploma-speak would be tacty
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Sep 29, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a really bad pun
I’m jealous.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I've been on the Bayno Train for a long time too
Players just love him. He connects with them and makes them better.
My friends at LMU were peeved, but I’m super happy he’s back.
M—
by Mortimer on Sep 29, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their loss, our gain
His gain, too, I think. He’s doing what he’s best at.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no you don't.
I’m not getting sucked into the vortex of Oden hype again.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Sep 29, 2009 4:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on
You know you want to believe. You know how it makes you feel.
It won’t hurt you. It’s only once. Let yourself go, enjoy it this once.
You know you can stop if you want to. It’s only once.
I stop whenever I want to. You can, too. It’s only the weak who get sucked in and can’t stop. You can handle it, you’re not like them.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds ...
experienced and rehearsed … hmmm
MUST BE TRUE.
I'm in the business of bringing out the best in people.
by ECFIVESTER on Sep 29, 2009 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not convinced
I didn’t see anything about Oden working on his 3 point shot. How is he going to clear out space for LA if can’t hit the open 3?
by tominhawaii on Sep 29, 2009 4:44 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
and the crossover
don’t forget the all important 7 foot tall crossover…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Sep 29, 2009 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah
Thanks for getting my back. I wish he would have learned more from Frye’s game before Fryle left.
by tominhawaii on Sep 29, 2009 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never understood
Frye gets criticized for being soft, and other big men get praised for having a soft touch.
I think people just didn’t like Channing because he went to Arizona. Probably the same people who hate Bayless. It’s not racist, it’s statist.
It’s really bad how statists are so accepted in basketball. They even have official statisticians to take care of statists when they are sick.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mind the Frye hate
If fans are dumb enough to blame a loss on some guy who only played 5 minutes a game, then I know they are not rational and I don’t need to take their comments serious.
by tominhawaii on Sep 29, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't take rational comments serious either
They’re the worst
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Sep 29, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
How are we going to get any spacing without it? With Miller being unable to shoot the three, Greg’s going to have to fill the void and add that corner shot to his repertoire.
by Royster on Sep 29, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
The Blazers need to be more like the Suns.
by tominhawaii on Sep 30, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also missing was a discussion of Oden's ability to ....
…. scout the opposing team and coach the second unit in scrimmages. Nor does it look like he’s going to be contributing at all to Portland’s marketing development plans.
This guy is definately over hyped and over rated.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Sep 29, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, he's been a little slow
in selling Rose Garden suites to local businesses. If only he’d been here all summer to pound the pavement….
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Sep 29, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
How could you say “no” if a guy that big walked into your office?
“Oh, excuse me, sir, I’ve been working on my rebounding boxing out technique, and I sort of forgot myself. I think your secretary has just broken her leg, she wasn’t quite ready for me, so we’d better call an ambulance. While we’re waiting for them, do you think you could sign this paper right here, please? Oh, and as a bonus, you get this picture of me squeezing the head of one of those L@kers. Felt kind of sorry for the little guy, but you know, he looked kind of like you. What a coincidence.
“Yes, right here, sir, that’s it. Oh, dear, I crushed another pen between my fingers. Maybe your new secretary can clean up that ink. Do you happen to have a pen you could use to sign? That’s wonderful. Thank you, sir. I’d like to shake your hand, but, well, the last man kind of screamed when I shook his, so maybe we’d better leave that for now. Thank you, sir.”
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you nailed it.
If Greg’s confidence is really back, then it would have shown up in the key “Corporate Sales” statistics over the summer.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Sep 29, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll never match up with the Hawes and Okurs if he doesn't get that range!!
by Mortimer on Sep 29, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to be more selfish.
Less selfish?
by MiledAnimal on Sep 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also reading reports that Spencer Hawes looks like Pau Gasol in training. And Durant like a mix of Brent Barry from outside, Rip Hamilton from mid-range and Kevin Garnett inside.
I want to believe, and I think while Oden won’t be “the next Shaq or Russell” he will become a very very good one (a la Ewing, Parish) that warps he game towards his team on both ends but especially on defense. But pre-season reports are pre-season reports. Every team is great, every player is great, or something is really wrong and you obviously are in a bad starting situation. A solid double-double seasons from Greg with 2 blocks per game for good measure would be nice already, and 2000+ minutes on the court in the regular season (i.e. 24+ minutes per game). Ideally 2300+ minutes (28+ minutes per game), but that would be a huge addition of about 1000 minutes and a lot less fouls and a lot less Joel on the floor. We will see. Soon.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Sep 29, 2009 5:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Parrish sounds good
I can see that one fo sho
I'm in the business of bringing out the best in people.
by ECFIVESTER on Sep 29, 2009 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artis Gilmore
old school
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Sep 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Nate Thurmond
Might even be better than Nate was.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 30, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cold Shower in Deed
First Joe and then you Dave, … how am I supposed to contain myself to stay reasonably sane about the team and Greg Oden???
I'm in the business of bringing out the best in people.
by ECFIVESTER on Sep 29, 2009 5:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I especially love
the part where Oden wants to be an All-Star, … This Year!!!
I'm in the business of bringing out the best in people.
by ECFIVESTER on Sep 29, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other "we look great in pre-season" news, Channing will start for the Suns. Because he can shoot long balls and threes. You read that right. Timbo now has permission to knock his head on the table repeatedly.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/9/28/1059775/thoughts-observations-and-audio
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Sep 29, 2009 5:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/09/28/channing-frye-to-start-at-center-for-suns/
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Sep 29, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timbo won't mind that
He hated Channing at PF, but center is better.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unbelievable
I love Channing, but the Suns must be committed to helping other teams offensive ratings if they are seriously considering this.
No really. I thought that link was a joke or a prank… till about three-fourths of the way through.
by PoliSam on Sep 29, 2009 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
That article made me giddy—and all the while I kept telling myself “this is not real evidence… this doesn’t prove anything.” and yet, I still felt giddy.
It’s part of being a fan. The hope or dream of a dominant Oden on this roster is just too tantalizing to resist.
by PoliSam on Sep 29, 2009 6:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm buying this...hook, line and sinker.
The way I figure it, I’ll get to enjoy the hype for another month or so, dreaming of angry Oden blocks and ripping down backboards while yawning, checking his watch and updating his stock portfolio via mobile internet device. If Greg lives up to the hype, I will have a head start on everybody else in unabashed fandom. I will be senior on the committee for Oden enlightenment and head priest of Odenism.
If it all falls apart…whatever. I will still have had fun for a month.
Just don’t tell me he’s developed laser vision and jet propelled biceps. I don’t want to get too unrealistic.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on Sep 29, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
File this under “I’ll believe it when I see it in a regular season game that matters.”
Here’s what I’m looking for, from the big GO.
- Can he avoid unnecessary fouls? I’ll be watching how he moves his feet while guards are moving near the rim. Part of Oden’s progression is for others to help him on defense as well. I swear half his fouls last year were on guys who blew by one of our guards or small forwards. So while Greg’s defense is clearly an asset, he’ll be even more valuable when he can focus on guarding 4s and 5s, and not so much on hacking at 1s, 2s and 3s.
- Heading into the all star break, is he starting? If so, are we getting 30+ minutes a night?
- Are we getting a double-double from him most nights? I want to see Greg involved in the offense. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t expect 15-20 a night from him. We have people surrounding Greg to do the heavy lifting from a scoring standpoint. But I’d like to see him become more active and less of an afterthought in the Blazer’s sets. I’m no basketball mind. Does the team even run plays specifically for him? Seems like he’s Plan C if A & B break down. That kinda deal.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
by halo_on on Sep 29, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does the team even run plays specifically for him?
Just keep your hands ready and your eyes on Andre at all times, big guy
and don’t bring the ball down, once you’ve got ahold of it
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by two4larue on Sep 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna believe
But we’ve been down this road before. I’m sure you’ll all remember how KP gushed about how “Greg is doing things he’s never seen before.”
I’m glad he put the work in and I’m glad he spent his summer with Bayno and Brian Grant, but the proof is most definitely in the pudding … the alley-oop pudding from Andre Miller I hope.
by nikolokolus on Sep 29, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to mention:
That his goal is to be an ALL-STAR this year.
That’s pretty candid.
by pdxer in dfw on Sep 29, 2009 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The center crop in the west is thin. Problem is that Bynum likely will get voted in, and the coaches have a number of PFs to choose from who can play center at least for such a game.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Sep 29, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It actually wouldn't shock me
to see the Spurs finally let Duncan be listed as a center now that Yao is out. Unless Bynum starts out absolutely on fire, it’s hard to imagine him getting voted in over Timmy.
by Royster on Sep 29, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden stands as good of a chance to get voted in if he plays well to open the season
He’s got a bigger name than Bynum by a large margin. Two weeks of solid play makes ESPN the LBJ/Kobe/Wade/Oden network. It’d be a news line people couldn’t stay away from. Yeah, it likely wouldn’t be merited, but media salivate at the opportunity to change guards. The media event should push him into the limelight enough to get the votes.
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by hobobob on Sep 29, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that is not true for the general public. Oden = bust. Bynum = big talent.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Sep 29, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ann the AP writer was on with Canzano yesterday
she said her Portland NBA stories are all Oden, all the time. Greg’s even bigger across the country than he is in PDX. Believe it, or don’t
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by two4larue on Sep 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've known who he was since he was an 8th grader
If he is playing well, he’ll get a lot of attention.
He’s gotta be doing GOOD to get it, though.
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by Mortimer on Sep 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little skeptical
about this article i’m happy that he’s working hard and trying to be a good player in this league and i definitely believe that he has the talent. Unfortunately, he is always hurt and so no matter how much potential he has and how hard he’s working he has to be on the floor this season. I will root as hard as anyone for Greg Oden and obviously succeed but until i see him on the floor for most of the games and playing significant and good minutes i will always be a little skeptical. But if Oden is healthy and lives up to his potential, we have a game-changing center, I just hope this article is not giving us false hope for the upcoming basketball season
by CincyBlazerFan7180 on Sep 29, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Bill Bayno and Brian Freaking Grant
I know nothing has been shown on the court yet…but let’s be frank, Bayno wasn’t around until mid way thru last year. Everyone here wanted a tough workout schedule for Oden this offseason to improve conditioning, foul trouble issue, latteral quickness etc. And to the people crying for Oden to get a big man to help him work on his game…I’ll take Brian Grant everytime.
This is either a GIANT puff piece that will flame out, or a truly good sign for the Blazers
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by Matt Daddy on Sep 29, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the people crying for Oden to get a big man to help him work on his game…I’ll take Brian Grant everytime.
Greg’s actually got 3 big man coaches, Bayno, Grant and Lucas. All bring different skills to Oden’s developmental “table”
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by two4larue on Sep 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without being sarcastic or bemoaning trends,
I’m just not excited by it. Oden’s development is important, but for whatever reason, this news just doesn’t register as news to me. There’s nothing new. If we hear Shaq or a Colin Cowherd, or Bill Simmons say something like this, then I’ll get excited.
Until then, Oden’s just a dude on the team I love. I’m betting he’ll play well, but I’m waiting to see how the team shakes out. It’s all about how they play against other teams, not about how they look to reporters.
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by hobobob on Sep 29, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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