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Breaking Down the Udoka Invitation

The mailbox is full of questions regarding the Ime Udoka signing and its significance.  The responses range from mystified to excited to concerned.  So let's clear it up and break it down.

First of all, this is a training camp invite.  The contract is non-guaranteed, meaning the Blazers and Ime can part ways at any time the team chooses.  Technically it's not different than any of the other invitations the Blazers have issued.  Kevin Pritchard will be visiting a few guys between now and mid-October to let them know he appreciates them, respects them, and could they please clean out their locker now.  Ime may well be among those.

Second of all, this is a competition for what ends up being the 15th roster spot and no higher than the 13th spot in the rotation.  Only 12 guys suit up on a given night.  You're not exactly looking for a franchise-altering move here.  And this isn't one.  Ime averaged a respectable 15.4 minutes per game in 67 games for the Spurs last year but his production slipped significantly from his prior seasons.  His shooting, free throw shooting, and most importantly three-point shooting percentages tanked.  His defensive rating went down as soon as he left Portland.  (Edit:  Never mind that.  I was BRILLIANTLY going by the wrong data.  Aplogies to you and Ime. --Dave)  Basically he played half the minutes you remember from his tenure with the Blazers and didn't play them nearly as well.  He's wading onto a roster stocked with players at his position, meaning he either really, really loves his hometown and is willing to risk an opportunity to stay in the league and any salary raise he could get playing more minutes elsewhere for a long-shot chance here OR he didn't get any decent offers.  This should color expectations somewhat.  He really is in the lower roster now if he makes the team and his chances of rising above that are slim.

I can already hear the choruses of, "That's what people said LAST time he signed with the Blazers!!!" so let me cut you off at the pass.  This 2009-10 Blazer team is far different than the 2006-07 team that Ime contributed so much to.  Outlaw and Webster were younger and even less tempered than they are now.  Aldridge and Roy were rookies.  The old-timers on the team were Jamaal Magloire, Raef LaFrentz, Juan Dixon, Fred Jones and Dan Dickau and the main guy was Zach Randolph.  Udoka played the 4th most minutes of anybody on the team that year because there existed both opportunity and desperate need for his steadiness, his defense, and his three-point shooting.  Nobody was solidly in front of him at small forward.  Nobody in the starting lineup or really anywhere in the upper rotation knew how to sell out on defense or how to play hard while being a contributory player instead of a main focus.  Half the team was too young and the other half just didn't sport that kind of player.  The differences between the names listed above and a mature Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge, Andre Miller and Steve Blake, Nicolas Batum and Rudy Fernandez should be obvious.

Ime is like that really nice pizza you had as a kid.  (Mine was the now-defunct Manhattan's Pizza...one in the Hollywood District and one up on Palatine Hill as I recall.)  It was delicious and you loved it for good reason.  But then you moved to Chicago or New York and started sampling pizza and while none of them held the place in your heart that the childhood favorite did, slowly you got attuned to a different style and quality.  Then you return home and you find that while your childhood pizza is still good, maybe your memory or experience gave it a fonder spot than it strictly merited.  You loved it as much for what it did for you and meant to you as its inherent quality.  The latter made it decent, the former made it special.  You still like it, but you wouldn't replace any of your new favorite pizzas with it.

So what does this training camp invitation mean?  There are three possibilities.  After chewing the fat with some people who usually know what they're talking about I'm going to list them in order from least likely to most.

There's a small, small chance this really is a significant event heralding the next Blazer move which is to trade away a small forward or two.  Perhaps Ime did have significant offers elsewhere but somebody telegraphed to him (or he cleverly intuited) that the Blazer offer was the one to take.  In this case Ime becomes a lower rotation player and the move makes wonderful, magical, and exciting sense.

There's a somewhat larger chance, but still not huge, that the Blazers don't have complete faith in Martell Webster's foot yet.  In that case the choices at backup small forward range from Outlaw to Fernandez to Roy, none of whom are completely suited for the job.  Ime would be an acceptable insurance policy in that instance, though one wonders what he gives you (besides experience) that Batum doesn't.

The overwhelmingly likely explanation is that this is just what it appears to be.  Ime worked out in Portland this summer.  He has positive history with people in this organization.  He didn't get any good offers to go elsewhere.  There's no harm in the Blazers bringing him into training camp under those circumstances nor is there harm in him accepting.  This is the right percentage move for both parties.  Udoka probably doesn't make the team but he might attract notice elsewhere.  If he does make the team he's waiting for an injury or a trade to play.

We'll have to see how it works out.  I have as much fondness for Udoka as the next guy and I'd not be sad to see him make the squad.  He's another one of those players that you'd never regret having on your team.  But I'm not expecting miraculous, or even steady, contributions even if that happens.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com

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Dave+amlmart=my thoughts exactly

I’d like to see a big man on the training camp invite list.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Sep 27, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

there is one-- Jarron Collins

Collins is a really bad player though, so maybe you just don’t think he counts (which would be a legit take).

by jksnake99 on Sep 27, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean by really bad?

Perhaps offensive rebounding at 11.9% is not important but it seems better than every other projected backup center in the Western Conference playoff picture (9 teams) next year except for Dampier (expected to backup Gooden) and of course Oden or Pryzbilla.

It is true that his TS% at .510 is lower than 4 of the 9.

It is true that his BLK% is the lowest (0.4%) by a big margin.

It is true that his DRB% at 10.1 is lower than all 9.

It is true that his TOV% at 18.4 beats out only 2 (including Pryzbilla).

So I can see how you (and I) might cringe if he gets extended playing time. But I think he is a better option on several counts than Frye (now the backup for Phoenix). And he would be the 3rd center. We have no opportunity for a young center to learn and grow. We can use a veteran voices on the team (as we are mostly adding this year). Collins has played 8 years for one of the most demanding coaches in the league (Jerry Sloan) and thus has been a decent option until this year to retain on some pretty good teams. At most he plays maybe 10 minutes in a few games. Not much damage there and some small measure of safety net to spare us using LMA at center too much (which we can do). He still has to prove himself at camp. What am I missing? Who is out there that is better that would want such a role?

by lee3022 on Sep 27, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I would not be upset if Collins wins the 15th roster spot. There are worse choices.

He’s bad enough that he could cost the team games in 10-15 minutes of play though— fortunately, he’d spend most if not all of the season on the inactive list.

by jksnake99 on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

KP and Co. Know what's up

I agree that Ime’s productivity went down signifantly since he left Portland, but is it possiblly because of the reduced playing time?

Why invite a guy to training camp that played on your squad and played well of if you intend on not using him?

I tend to think that something delicious is brewing, and he is almost a lock, unless the other guys competing absolutly kill,

by tornacl on Sep 27, 2009 12:02 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

pizza to films

I prefer a movie analogy: “Goonies”, still good, but absolute magic when your 9 and you live in Oregon. “Swiss Family Robinson” may even be a better analogy to Ime, as it was not quite the magic, and more of a memory now than an annual event, but one that I never got tired of seeing as a kid. Trailblazers = “Princess Bride” still as remarkable/fun today as it was when I was 8.

by Dudehere on Sep 27, 2009 2:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Nonna Emilia's

Aloha, off TV Hwy

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

My childhood pizza imprint is Shakey's

Which is certifiably dead everywhere as far as I can tell. Here in the NW though, I have discovered that the inside of Abby’s pizzeria smells EXACTLY like Shakey’s did, and Pietro’s in Milwaukie has almost that exact smell. The pizzas are relatively similar between the two, so I’d assume that aside from the evolution of available ingredients that I’m getting a fairly similar product.

That being said, I would agree with Dave’s analogy. These days I do not make a point of hunting those pizzas down.

by conspirator5 on Sep 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Organ Grinder

I don’t remember anything about the pizza quality, but the atmosphere and “props” were unforgettable

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember it being a really fun experience

and really bad pizza.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 28, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also loved Shakey's

The Round Table Pizza still made good pies up through 2000 (and haven’t been able to come to Portland since).

by lee3022 on Sep 27, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah but

dont you live in like rural Idaho or something? Is there any other option there?

by moflow on Sep 27, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

AK = DAVE

Nah, Dave lives in Idaho, AK lives north of Seattle in Everett.

He is a former Sonics fan who has always hated Kevin Durant (he is, indeed, filth) and hates the Thunder and now follows the Blazers.

Or…. DOES he? I have noticed various similarities between Dave and AK, both in how they approach things and in their analysis…

We just cracked the code.

Morty

by Mortimer on Sep 27, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, I live in Washington.

In Snohomish County, Alfy’s is the well-known local pizza chain. It’s a decent joint to dine in at and eat.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Sep 27, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fried crust. Ugh.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 27, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave, you wrote "His defensive rating went down as soon as he left Portland."

You make that sound like a bad thing. If you are going by basketball-reference.com’s rating system, the lower the defensive score, the better. Similar to golf, or whatever.

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by zotsi on Sep 27, 2009 3:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Did he really?

All i heard was the opposite… now I don’t know WHO to believe!!!

M—

by Mortimer on Sep 27, 2009 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

In fact...

Ime’s defensive win shares to minutes played would be the best on the entire blazer team. At least of those with 1000 or more minutes.

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by zotsi on Sep 27, 2009 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

And looking at the ratings for the Spurs perimeter defenders,

only Ginobili had a better DRtg and DWS to MP than Udoka on the team last year for 1000+ MP.

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by zotsi on Sep 27, 2009 4:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the San Antonio Spurs should've gave Ime Udoka all of Bruce Bowen's minutes last year.

That wasn’t going to happen to Bowen, though, since he was revered in that organization. Anyway, the Spurs’ wing defense will suffer this season with a rotation of Richard Jefferson, Manu Ginobili, Michael Finley, and Roger Mason. Also, the wings who are training camp fodder — which includes Pac-10 alums Marcus Williams and Malik Hairston, as well as veteran Keith Bogans — are highly unlikely to make a defensive impact if they make the team.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Sep 27, 2009 4:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec for swearing

Whatever
thetinfoil@gmail.com

by TheTinfoil on Sep 27, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Priceless!

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 27, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ime makes sense...

Just because we don’t know how Batum will be after all the extra minutes he logged in EuroBasket. And if Batum went down with an injury, then we coud bring a guy like Ime in to guard the Kobe’s, Andre Iguodala’s, Carmelo’s, and whatnot. It’s like a safety valve on your safety valve. Not totally necessary, but if that first one doesn’t work, then there’s always a second. Plus, we know he’s a solid role player who can play with Roy.

All in all, he gets his oppurtunity. I too wouldn’t mind seeing another big signed, however, I also wouldn’t be against a trade to bring in some guys who could be solid backups. Maybe Blake+Outlaw+Howard for an extra backup 5/Banger 4? Free up some time for Bayless, and get us another big man in case the (Unthinkable/Inevitable?) happens.

by Jeremiah S on Sep 27, 2009 3:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Also, doubts with Webster.

Webster may or may not be completely healed. He just now has permission to play 5 on 5, run, jump and use lateral movements. That doesn’t mean he can do it yet. Somewhat like Greg. It takes time for the body to completely get over an injury. Some are psychological, some are physical but they are both hindering for a given time.

What if the injury re-occurs? If it was a stress fracture then who is to say that stress won’t cause it again. Much like Yao’s injury.

Ime fits our culture; he knows the team and can already fit in nicely. Therefore there are various reasons’s to sign Ime.

hg

by BBK on Sep 27, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Collins

Will be our 15th roster spot. He’s tall and smells like cabbage.

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Sep 27, 2009 4:59 AM PDT reply actions  

How's that from last season if I saw Luke Schenscher jogging down the court?

The person who compiled that footage and posted it up on YouTube is off his rocker.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Sep 27, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we only give him one year

he’ll be an EC too.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 27, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

15th roster spot

The key is we’re talking about the last roster spot. The RLEC spot. If this guy (whoever it turns out to be) sees the court it’s only because injuries allowed him to suit up and the team is either winning or losing by a blowout. It’s a non issue.

by LaughingJon on Sep 27, 2009 5:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll raise your Josh McRoberts with Richie Frahm.

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As Pacific Northwesterner with ties to both the SuperSonics and Trail Blazers, Frahm > McRoberts.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Sep 27, 2009 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, McBob was special

because he was Oden’s buddy.

And Fram was corrupted by Sonics influence. The rivalry still lives!

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 27, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they should've called it

The Richie Frahm-cast?

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

i just hope

they are stockpiling enough plaster for all the bobbleheads they are going to have to make this year!

by riccc_l on Sep 27, 2009 7:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree...

….with the contention that the addition of Ime to our regular season roster MIGHT/COULD be primarily to provide insurance incase we The Blazers do decide to make a trade of one or more of our small forwards. But whether that would happen? Or The Blazers are thinking that far ahead in the matter? I do not know.

Beyond that, Dave uses another “Food” analogy. Is it my imagination or for the past few months has Dave used a lot of restaurant, food analogies? I seem to remember a post that became a series of restaurant reviews. Now Ime is like a favorite childhood Pizza? …..I just have to ask, is someone on a diet?

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by Krang on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

3 Ime Reasons

1. Hardhats and lunchpails on perimeter defense.
2. Consoldation trade will occur pre-February deadline 2010.
3. Draft lottery party that got #1 pick—Ime is on the tape near the end. He then went to San Antonio. He’s back. Good karma.

by HoopsFan on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

We're going to win the lottery again?

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 28, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

If KP pulls that off while we are winning championships

he would move up to legend status. It worked for SA but I hope we never get there that way.

by lee3022 on Sep 28, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take it from the picture and the caption

That we got Matt Bonner? Please say we got Matt Bonner!

"Cathartic? I didn't go to college, I don't know what cathartic means."
Kobe Bryant

by kono on Sep 27, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Obviously we rescinded the drafting of Martell and got Chris Paul

You can do that retroactively for five years, right?

"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard

by Norsktroll on Sep 27, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

We did that

but we lost Roy and LaMarcus to Toronto and Chicago. On the plus side, we get Tyrus and Foye back.

by Royster on Sep 27, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re-doing the draft

I assume Roy and LaMarcus would go 1-2 and that Chicago wouldn’t have traded LA to us. I’m too lazy to actually break down who we would have actually gotten at 4 and 7 if it were entirely re-done, though.

by Royster on Sep 28, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

A training camp opponent for Nic & Martell ?

My take is that this has more to do with picking between Nic & Martell for the starting spot than anything else. We often talk about bringing in big lunks to push Oden in practice, but what about the still undecided 3 spot?

Recall how last year there were times in practice where Bayless, trying to show his grit and move up in the rotation, started crossing the line a bit playing against Sergio and had to be told to dial it back a notch. Perhaps they’re trying to avoid that situation with Nic and Martell by providing them with a reasonably good neutral third party to wail on for a few weeks. That way we can see them go all out in practice without worrying about them injuring each other. Whereas if Ime gets hurt in the process, that’s not a big deal to us.

Plus, you’d want that punching bag to have some NBA experience, so Dante just doesn’t cut it yet. And I don’t think practicing against Outlaw is going to help reveal anything about Nic & Martell that we don’t already know (and we don’t want to risk our backup 4 right now).

But what does Ime get out of it? He gets showcased a bit against some great competition, in a town he loves, and still has time to get picked up by another team. Or, if he’s still available later in the year and something happens to one of our 3’s midseason (injury, trade, etc), he’s likely going to be one of the first people we call.

by LasloHlyfeld on Sep 27, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

DeNicola's

Same pizza experience for me. Back in the day there was one in Tualatin over by the old pharmacy, went there at least one Friday a month until it closed (there’s still the original on SE Powell). Maybe not the highest quality pizza around, but every time I take a bite I remember what it feels like to be 10 years old and going out for pizza being such a big deal.

Like Ime, it’s just not that big of a deal now days, a pretty ordinary experience that doesn’t get much play anymore. I prefer Spanish and French food now (see also Rudy and Batum). That’s way more of a big deal, kind of like the pizza used to be.

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by GonzoFan on Sep 27, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

As a young boy in Puyallup, WA.

I lived for Shakey’s Pizza,after we moved south it was Abbey’s.If any of you are in Van.,WA I would highly rec. you try Leonardos on 164th it is awesome.I like Ime but he is just an olive that fell off the plate this year.

"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-

by We-B-Dunkin on Sep 27, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

There's an Abbey's in Newberg

Their barbeque chicken pizza is pretty good

I haven’t seen or heard of Shakey’s in 25+ years

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah well I guess i'm just that old two4

Thanks for rubbing it in

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- Benjamin Franklin-

by We-B-Dunkin on Sep 27, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was actually 40 yrs. ago I moved down

Just in time for the Blazers 1st season been a Blazer fan ever since.

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- Benjamin Franklin-

by We-B-Dunkin on Sep 27, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need a SG or a PG

Lets look at a projected line up…..

  Pg ….Miller….Blake…possible Bayless if not a SG
  
  SG….Roy….Fernandez…possible Bayless in not at PG

  SF…..Webster can slip to SG…..Batum….Cunningham and can slip to PF

  PF…..Aldridge….Outlaw can slip to SF….Howard

  C…..Oden….Pryzabilla….Pendergarph (Pendergraph to small for center but to slow for PF) can slip to PF

if we sign a player it should be to cover a person if they get injured. Lets face it anybody can get a injury. The Blazers need a 3rd backup at PG or SG…mabey another pg/sg like bayless or a SG or tru PG…I think Udoka fits the sg roll at 6"5 and good a Defense and shooting the three.Mills fits the PG roll. Mills could come off the inury by Oct. 6th….Collins is a big body thats good but Pendergraph should be just fine to take those minuts if needed……so if Udoka does’nt mind sitting on the bench in street clothes unitle there is a inury….I say sign him..

by BigMoney on Sep 27, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

How many backup SF do we need?

Half the team can play SF, literally. We need a backup C and I don’t mean LMA. Collins is our best bet considering how long Pendergraph (who is really more a 4 then a 5) is probably not going to be healed fully until november…

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Sep 27, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Collins is the "bird in the hand"

but there should be better veteran PF/C options, if KP goes bush-beating at mid-season

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

small forwards
SF…..Webster can slip to SG…..Batum….Cunningham and can slip to PF

Batum wll play backup SG before Webster. When Roy/Rudy were out last year, Nic came off the bench in their place

Cunningham is a smallish “4” who will barely (if ever) play the 3 on this team. Maybe during garbage time, if Howard is playing at PF, but the two of them may not even be activated at the same time unless there’s an injury to one of the “top 10”

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we're well balanced

PG: Blake – Miller – Bayless
SG: Roy – Fernandez
SF: Batum – Webster
PF: Aldridge – Outlaw
C: Oden – Przybilla

Not used: Cunningham, Howard
IR: Pendergraph

No holes that I can see.

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by jamon51 on Sep 27, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ime Should Start

Ime should definitely start for Portland. Why not? He started for this team two seasons. He gives the Blazers something they don’t have: a perimeter defending specialist. He can also shoot the three. Batum is a great defender but lacks any offensive game. Webster has the three point range and defending skills, but he is coming back from a severe injury. Ime was great for us two seasons ago, and I don’t know why he couldn’t be great for us this upcoming year.

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by arrang2 on Sep 27, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Ime was just one season

And he is pretty limited offensively… not a good decision maker with the ball in his hands and options to run through, but did well with the corner 3 as a Blazer. Otherwise, Batum is actually much better on offense and is worth developing defensively if Ime is actually better… which I’d be surprised by at this point in their respective careers.

I am happy if Ime lands somewhere he can play and do well, but if he is playing over any of our current SFs, something went horribly wrong.

Morty

by Mortimer on Sep 27, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa there

If Ime was good enough to start for Portland now, why wasn’t he able to get more PT in San Antonio, especially with Manu hurt?

I understand the love for the “home town” player, but if Udoka was starter’s material, he wouldn’t have had to settle for a non-guaranteed contract

and Batum is a better “perimeter defending specialist” at age 19-20 then Ime ever was

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Every single one of our SFs

is better than Ime at every aspect of the game, except potentially Travis as a perimeter defender. Ime starting, or even playing, over any of them would be a joke.

by Royster on Sep 27, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

Reno, Nevada is west of Los Angeles.

by RenoBlazerFan on Sep 27, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ime

Dave’s analysis sounds about right, except … Ime’s a role player. Forget his stats. His PT went up to 20 min per game in the playoffs last year. That tells a lot. But the Spurs want to get younger. I rate the trade chances higher than Dave does. The Blazers still don’t have their backup PF need covered. They need a veteran who can give them solid starter minutes over an extended period in the event one of the bigs goes on the DL, a good possibility. Howard can give us 10-12 minutes a game but not 30+ at this stage in his career. Forget Collins and the rookies barring big surprise tantamount to Batum last year. The Blazers still have the $2.8 mill TPE from the Diogu-Ruffin deal until February so they can do an unbalanced trade. Unless JB is the one who goes, a trade probably would mean an active roster spot for Ime.

by jabbajabba on Sep 27, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

The Blazers still have the $2.8 mill TPE from the Diogu-Ruffin

No they don’t, that went away on July 1st. What they do have is cap holds on their Euro players (Freeland, Koponen and Claver) that will come “off” the cap after the preseason. Put that 1.5-2 mil together with Outlaw’s expiring contract and KP can go “fishing” for a PF/C making around 6 mil before the deadline.

Like…Jeff Foster?

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I vote Nick Collison

Perfect age and skillset. Foster is more of a pure rebounder, but I like Collison’s all-round game.

And since OKC hates him now after he criticizes them, and they wanna save money and he clearly has no future role for them when they make their run at a hugely successful dynasty, I think he could also be gotted for not TOO much— maybe moreso than Foster, who has traditionally been valued by Indy.

I’d be happy with either. Guys who will come in and do exactly what you ask them to do (rebound and defend), not get grumpy over minutes, and be able to play both the PF/C, are guys who often make the difference even though their personal stats are ho-hum.

M—

by Mortimer on Sep 27, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Foster, because

he’s got some playoff experience and he’s the kind of chippy player you always hate to see, unless he’s on your team

Plus he starts a lot of fast breaks that end up scorig hoops, at least that’s what the stats say. Jeff also tips the ball around on offense and keeps possessions alive

the Blazers could use a couple of vets whose stats are ho-hum, but that always seem to come up with a scrappy, pivotal play. Or, they’ll get under the other team’s skin and take their star player out of his game

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by two4larue on Sep 27, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guys who get the other team annoyed and make them play dumb is an underrated skill

I do like Foster, but I haven’t seen any reason Indy would lose him after all these years. He’s been a Pacer his whole career, and I’m sure they (like we do with Przybilla) value what he does highly.

I dunno if him getting the rebound and doing an outlet is what starts the fastbreak, or the Pacers extremely up-tempo offense. Since he’s bound to get the rebound when he is in (being a rebounding machine), and the Pacers always running these days, I’d imagine he’ll end up with a lot of “starts the fastbreak” stats even though he isn’t doing anything necessarily to start it.

If that has existed during most of his career, and in the early 00’s, I may be wrong.

I like Collison’s ability to score and be a very good starting PF if we have an injury to LMA, and his age, but I agree— Foster has more big game experience and is a better rebounder. But, Collison does a lot of the same things, is younger, and may actually be able to be gotten. Foster and his rebounding fits with Indy. Collison DOES fit with OKC since he does what they don’t do right now, but the fanbase has soured on him and he isn’t in their long term plans.

We ain’t gonna get Foster for anyone we would give up. Indy likes him.

Morty

by Mortimer on Sep 27, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indy's got a few young big men

Troy Murphy, Roy Hibbert, Lawrence Roberts and now Tyler Hansbrough (and I’m not even counting Josh McRoberts!) to help make Foster “expendable”

So, if the Pacers want to save $ and improve their bench scoring, maybe an Outlaw for Foster deal would make sense to them? Perhaps Jeff wants to play for a winner before he’s through and has asked management for a deal? This falls under the GM category of “you never know, unless you ask”

Heck, I’d even “throw in” Juwan Howard (after December 15th) if they feel like they need another veteran big guy to “replace” Foster!

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by two4larue on Sep 28, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Either way i hope it proves positive for the organization aswell as Ime. Oh and as for Pizza, UFO Pizza on 60th and glisan, GEM! Owned by a guy named Luke check it out sometime :)

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by NW_BRED on Sep 27, 2009 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Ime as a 15th man vet. He's travelled, he can tell a lot of stories, and he's a role model on D.

plus, he costs nothing.

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by Y5k on Sep 27, 2009 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

After you're done being a QB in the NFL

You can pick up some paychecks as the 15th man, a practice player, in the NBA.

You got better stories than Ime, I bet! You’ve done everything.

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by Mortimer on Sep 27, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

but let's be realistic ...

$1M is, yes, nothing to sneeze at. But it is a relatively small number in NBA salary comparisons. Plus, there are a lot of teams around trade deadline time itching for a $1M expiring contract.

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by Y5k on Sep 28, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ime is a good fit.

He’s a good defender, plays the 3 primarily but can slide over to the 2 in a pinch, and he’s a good guy to have around insofar as he inspires his teammates, or at least he did when he made the team last time. I liked the guy and was disappointed to see him go.

by Benjamanic on Sep 28, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

A trade of Batum or Webster is coming?

I love Ime, but another SF? Only way that make sence is if a trade is in the work for one of those guys.

by Sungari on Sep 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

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