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Rudy Versus Hedo. Got personal.

Yesterday Rudy defended Hedo Turkoglu in the Spain vsTurkey game.

Their personal stats are these:


Player      Min  2PFG %     3P-FG  %  FT    %     Reb   AS  PF TO ST Pts

Türkoglu, 28   1/3   33,3    0/2    0,0  0/0    0,0   3(1/2) 3   1    4    3     2

Rudy        36    4/5   80,0    2/3  66,7 2/2 100,0  5(4/1)  0   1    2    2  16

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In July an ESPN.com report said Rudy Fernandez was "infuriated" with the team's pursuit of Turkoglu. Link   And Rudy himself expressed concern about the Blazers signing Hedo. Link

- Rudy:"Turkoglu is a perimeter player and we are speaking about almost six for two positions. This makes me think that the team does not give me space for my work. I have demonstrated that I could be more of a factor. I have been surprised with the minutes that I have played but if now they pick up a player in my position, that will stop my progression, and what I want is minutes, so I can improve."

The best look at the whole Hedo thing came from Dwyght James: Yes, Turkoglu saved the Blazers from themselves.

It was only one game and it was Eurobasketball, but ...

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I am so happy we did not sign Turkoglu

For multiple reasons. The money, the age, the contract duration, but most importantly he would be keeping better players off the floor.

That last item is definitely one thing you can’t say about Andre Miller. There are a very limited number of scenarios where you would prefer to have either Blake or no true point guard on the floor (and I love Blake as much as anyone).

But if we had Turkoglu… well, if you wanted defense, you’d put in Batum. If you wanted offense you’d go with Rudy. If you wanted size and athleticism, Outlaw. If you wanted a balanced player with good size and excellent shooting, you have Webster.

I never understood the pursuit of Turkoglu. He brings you experience, slowness, and bad shot selection.

by matthewcc on Sep 13, 2009 8:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

gotta agree

It was almost like KP and the PTB brass got into the Trade Drawer frenzy and made an absolutely inane move in acquiring Turkoglu. I support Rudy in his alleged tantrum about the deal, thank goodness someone said something.

I like Turkoglu’s game and veteranship. It’s just the hole he’d fill here is actually a mound, and like you said, the PTB have all those bases covered by a number of good young players.

Rudy Rudy Rudy!!!

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by bow4meow on Sep 13, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pick and roll

Hedo was successful getting the ball to Howard on the move towards the basket, and Nate/KP wanted him to be a similar “facilitator” for Oden and LMA in the Blazer’s offense. It’s easy to argue after the fact that Portland shouldn’t have pursued Turk and offered him the max, but there was agreement amongst the Blazer’s brass that he was the best FA available

If Toronto hadn’t come along with a slightly better offer Hedo would be a Blazer today, Outlaw would probably already have been dealt and opinions re: Turk in threads like this would be about 180 degrees different

I’m just glad KP caught Miller on the rebound, it was getting pretty tense there in mid-July after Millsap’s offer was matched and the negotiations for Roy’s extension were in overtime

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by two4larue on Sep 13, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about 180

There were a ton of irritated people when it looked like we had Turk. Granted, many people that had been against it were already talking themselves into it, but many of us I think would have stuck to the position the Blazers would be a worse team by the end of the year for having signed Turk. Even without Outlaw, Hedo would be sucking up tons of minutes from Rudy, Batum and Webster. Those guys need minutes and are going to get better. Hedo is likely to get slightly worse every day that goes by from here on out.

It’s nothing personal against him, I just think he would ultimately have made out team worse and we would have paid through the nose for the pleasure, both financially and but stunting the growth of those three guys.

by matthewcc on Sep 13, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hedo didn't want to be in Portland

so, like KP and Larry Miller said, it’s better off that he’s in Toronto

but Nate and KP must’ve wanted him, badly. And those players yolu named who “wouldn’t get minutes” because of Turk being on the roster might not haveall been Blazers for the life of his 5 year contract. (Of course, Hedo himself may also have been redealt, in a couple of years)

but if the team had won with Turk, even the most skeptical fans of the signing would’ve eventually come around. That’s because we like to see the team win, and it’s not like Turk is a gangstah, he’s just a capitalist who’s wife prefers living near the east coast

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by two4larue on Sep 13, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that there are many people who though Hedo would make the team worse this year

But it definitely seemed like the Blazers were overpaying for an average player near the end of his prime. Rather than making the Blazers worse, the Hedo signing would have meant missing an opportunity to make the Blazers better, especially in the long-term. Miller does not make the Blazers better long-term either, so you could say that the Miller signing also represents a missed opportunity, but at least Miller’s contract isn’t as big as Hedo’s would have been.

by trk on Sep 14, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my issues
  1. the pay was FAR too much.
  2. duplication of positions of young talent.

The only positive is that he could have mentored Batum.

I definitely appreciate miller more considering what could have been.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Sep 14, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say Hedo and Batum are rather different players

We don’t really have any point-forwards that shoot threes.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 16, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

they were wrong and I didn’t need hindsight to know that. I likely would have stated so as soon as it was done and then have waited to see.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Sep 14, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

like you...

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by B-ROYalty on Sep 13, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Tore it up.

batum/rudy been playing ball all summer. hopefully they won’t get worn out during the season.. but hey! who gets tired from playing basketball everyday or everyother! ;)

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by B-ROYalty on Sep 13, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum especially, I bet he's improving at a rate now comparable to during the NBA season

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one can defend Rudy

he’s like an unstoppable rebel force.

I’ve officially had too much...

by In Walks Rudy on Sep 13, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

it's a trap!

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on Sep 13, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I completely understand the thinking behing Turkoglu, I was okay with KP going that route, and I am happy that things turned out as it did...

The thing that bugs me is that Travis Outlaw is still the “backup Power Forward” on this team. That needs to be fixed.

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by timbo on Sep 13, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We’re one LMA rolled ankle away from a serious problem.

Give Rashad Floyd a permanent slot on 95.5 the Game

by blazeraddict on Sep 13, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

or a hurt center → LMA as backup center

with the status quo, best case is Cunningham surprising everyone a la Batum.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be difficult

seems like it is difficult for a big to come in and pick up quality minutes on a winning team. Batum’s defense was good enough to earn him a spot, plus Portland’s offense has typically call for the small forward to hang out in the corner and wait for 3’s. Not too bad of a position for a young player like Batum to acclimate. Plus the second unit needed a scoring threat, which Outlaw fulfilled (I know, Outlaw is becoming a bad word on this board, but without him the second unit would have been locked up tight)

Just seems like the perfect situation for Batum, I don’t see the same for Cunningham.

by Oggbog on Sep 13, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't think it's likely, just a best-of-all-possible-worlds type scenario

Realistically the Inferno could be a nice rotation player in a couple years.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the scouts who saw him workout in Grg's big man's camp

projected Dante to be a NBA starter, in a few years. He’s good, but who can he defend? He’ll have trouble against most 3s and 4s

Cunningham has to find a position, or a team with a system that can get by with an undersized PF playing a lot of minutes. That could be in Portland, but small lineups don’t usually do well in the postseason, unless the PF can hit the corner 3, like that guy in Orlando. And besides, how is DC gonna beat out LMA and Batum in the next 5+ years?

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by two4larue on Sep 13, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!

A backup PF that could hit the corner 3? I wish we could find one of those….

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 14, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would be helpful if he could also defend and rebound

Cunningham is already a good “out of area” rebounder, and he seems to have the BBIQ to grasp team defensive rotation concepts, quickly

it’s his individual (post) defense that I’m concerned about, going forward. We’ve already heard that he can’t defend SFs, out on the perimeter

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by two4larue on Sep 14, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope the Blazers can keep Rudy happy.

Obviously, doing so is going to be tough. But the guy has so much to give to the team. His constant motion off the ball is exactly what the Blazers – and any team – need. The guy is perpetual motion, a very good shooter and his defense is, IMHO, only going to get better through the years. I hope Nate makes it a priority to play him as much as is feasible. Same with Nicolas, though that’s looking to be tough, too, if Martell is as good as they’ve been saying lately.

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by TTRocks on Sep 13, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

imagine if Rudy wasn't fatigued from the long season

That is the minimum improvement we’re going to see, and I expect something more from Rudy.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year should be better for him with fatigue

I imagine Eurobasket is not as strenuous as the Olympics and he knows what to expect in regards to the marathon season, defenses, NBA pacing and style. Hopefully Nate and the others are working in some sets that take advantage of his style of play. If that is the case and they effectively use him his game could open up.

by Oggbog on Sep 13, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, that's what I was trying to say, but I wasn't too clear.

He had some impressive drives in the Spain vs Turkey highlights.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy a poor fit on the Blazers.

He can thrive much more on a team the plays an offense that involves passing and motion. Because those are his strengths.

He will be valuable to us because of his shooting and energy, but, unless the addition of Andre Miller changes the composure of our offense, Rudy would be well served trying to find an NBA team with a different philosophy.

by Blazin' on Sep 13, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

start speadin' the news..he's gonna make a start of it, in old NY, NY
Rudy would be well served trying to find an NBA team with a different philosophy

not to mention one that doesn’t already have an all-NBA shooting guard

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by two4larue on Sep 13, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw plenty of motion with Rudy and Sergio on the floor.

Coming off multiple screens, cutting baseline for the alley-oop, etc. With Miller on the floor, I expect to see more of that because Miller won’t play matador defense and get yanked in five minutes like Sergio (neither can shoot, but whatever). If Rudy can develop a mid-range game ala Rip Hamilton, he’ll be even more dangerous. Plus, Rudy’s strength is team defense on the other end, which is what Nate emphasizes; it redeems his suspect on-ball defense. His defense will only improve with the Blazers as opposed to a team coached by someone like D’Antoni or Nelson. Even if he’s not right for this team, he’ll become a more complete player as a result of being here if he gets his minutes.

by Benjamanic on Sep 14, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting way of looking at it.

you’re suggesting that it was the personnel and not the offensive strategy that explains why we ran a static, isolation offense. Guess we’ll see this year with Miller whether it’s the players or the coach.

by Blazin' on Sep 14, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy may have destroyed Hedo on a personal level

…but does it really matter when Spain apparently lost to Turkey? I say ‘apparently’ because it’s a little hard to believe…

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by Sarbonis on Sep 13, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the box score

It appears that Turkey won purely on turnovers, leading to more possessions, leading to more 3-point shots.

by Kaboomm on Sep 13, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dear sir: you rock

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now

austin pwnz a spot in my sig.

YOU SEE FOLKS, IT’S THAT EASY!

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by Sarbonis on Sep 13, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yesssssssss

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Rudy's wrist bands

And Asik has some nice moves. We gave him to the ungrateful Bulls.

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by Sabonis4Ever on Sep 13, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We traded him

For three second rounders. One of the them was Cunningham, I believe.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 13, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cunningham.

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by B-ROYalty on Sep 13, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe...

while watching these highlights and others from Eurobasket, I keep wondering how well these drives would play out against NBA defenses. Could Asik drive in from the three point line and make it through a seam like he did in the highlight?

by Oggbog on Sep 13, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm not the only person

nor the first… just noticed austinpwnz below noted the same lack of interior d

by Oggbog on Sep 13, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figure I'm replying to all your posts anyway

Maybe it’s just more athleticism in the NBA, but it seemed like anyone could get inside with no danger of blocked shots. Nobody doing the Lebron James run up and block from behind, or an LMA-style weakside rotation and block.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's no D in Euro
Could Asik drive in from the three point line and make it through a seam like he did in the highlight?

I could ask the same question about Batum. For all his talk about “doing a Portland” and camping out in the corner to spread the defense, Nic will find a little more resistance to his drives (and a harder foul if he reaches the basket) in the NBA playoffs than he’s seen so far in "Eurobasket’

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by two4larue on Sep 13, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be

If he wasn’t a player, we wouldn’t have picked him early in the second round.

If Chicago didn’t rate him highly, they wouldn’t have given up three picks, including a high second rounder, for him.

So it will be no surprise if he turns out to be very good. Of course, it will be no surprise if he never plays in the NBA, too.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 14, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the interior defense, at least in those highlights, seems absolutely terrible

Glad to see Rudy’s face so much.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ps winning shot for Spain should've been Rudy off a curl for three

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 13, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy!

Should I feel guilty for wanting to go to the Raptors game soley so I can be a part of the “HE-DO Sucks!” chant?

Ha for big man coach!

by prezofdeath on Sep 13, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 14, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is news?

Of course they make mistakes.

I’m still not persuaded going after Turk was one, though. Lots of people around here think he would have been a disaster, but I suspect he would have done more to improve us than Miller, and a high profile trade probably would have followed.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 14, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also think we could have been stronger with Turk, especially if we followed up with a trade.

Turk starts at SF and fills the backup PF spot (still a problem). He frees up some combination of Outlaw plus Webster or Rudy, and/or Bayless, for a PG. Batum (or Webster) gets development time at backup SF.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 14, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

could've still done a sign and trade, for Miller

Philly might’ve taken Trout and Blayless for a freshly-signed Andre, etc. (Miller probably wouldn’t be making 7 mil/year right now, though…)

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by two4larue on Sep 14, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if Philly does that deal.

Or we might have found a younger, long term PG with some combination of Outlaw plus Webster or Rudy, and/or Bayless. Then we could have been set for 5 years until Turk retired (he would probably have gradually transitioned to a backup 3 behind Batum, plus backup 4).

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 14, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not Webster

I still don’t think Martell has much trade value, but that will change, soon. But back in July, there was still ’way too much uncertainty about his foot

Outlaw, Rudy, etc for Devin Harris?…I think “someone” may have made a couple of Saturday afternoon 3-way trade proposals about that, a few months back ;^)

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by two4larue on Sep 14, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you are probably right.

I was thinking Webster might have been tossed in for salary match purposes, but it’s hard to get a team to accept a player coming off an injury unless their contract is expiring or not guaranteed.

I don’t think we could have got Harris without trading Roy or LMA, and obviously we wouldn’t do that.

Anyway, back to reality. Turk is gone, Miller is here. We still need that backup PF for Outlaw now! Then next summer we can assess Webster’s comeback, Batum’s growth, Rudy’s progress, Miller’s effect on the team, Blake’s season (I would extend him now, we can always trade him later), and whatever we get to see of Bayless and Cunningham. Then KP will have to make some major decisions.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 14, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course Philly would have taken Trout and Bayless

in a sign and trade. Why wouldn’t they? They were ready to let Miller walk.

But KP wouldn’t have traded Bayless.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 15, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A better question is why did they let Miller walk?

He wasn’t blocking a future all-star PG. Why does every team end up letting Miller walk and never re-sign him?

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 15, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't speak for every team

but Philly wasn’t going to win anything this year or next, so it makes sense to start developing a younger player.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 15, 2009 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and maybe

they couldn’t find a sign and trade deal where they could “take back” players they wanted with expiring contracts amounting to the minimum $ that Miller would accept. So rather than take on more payroll they chose to punt their veteran PG

I expect the 76ers 2010 W-L record to take a nosedive as a result, but we’ll see

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by two4larue on Sep 15, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Money? Who cares?

Paul Allen has enough of it, and he said to spend.

We’ll be over the cap forever, anyway. Way over the cap. So the cost didn’t matter if Paul wanted to spend.

I don’t get the “too expensive” complaint at all. Turk was going to cost approximately $3 million more than Miller this year. That makes a difference only to Paul Allen’s bank account, it has no impact on team strategy. Zero.

Next year, the same, though theoretically we could trade Andre as an expiring contract next year (since the third year is team option). But the money aspect is irrelevant.

Third year? Well, if we decide not to keep Andre he costs us nothing, while Turk would have still cost us $10 million. But guess what? We’ll still probably be in luxury tax zone that year, even if Andre is gone, because in that year both LMA and Greg will be on max or near max contracts, as will Brandon. If Joel is still around, he’ll be earning, Martell will be around, we’ll be paying another PG (if we let Andre go), etc., etc.

Fourth year? Sure, Hedo would have cost us in the fourth year, but by then Nic will be extended, possibly Bayless, possibly Rudy. Luxury tax to the max, whether you have Hedo or not. Same with the fifth year. Under any reasonable scenario, we’re going to be in luxury tax land even without Hedo in the fourth and fifth years, which means he was going to cost us $20 million plus a year, and have absolutely no impact on team strategy — your in the tax zone with or without him.

Did Paul Allen know this? You can bet your bottom dollar, which is a lot closer than his bottom dollar, that this was all fully explained to him — and he gave the go ahead to sign Hedo anyway.

KP knew that Hedo was going to have little impact on strategy in the last two years of that contract, because we’ll be in tax zone anyway. Paul Allen knew Hedo was going to cost him $20 million a year for the last two, almost certainly last 3 years, of the contract, and said to go for it.

The fact that he was expensive was irrelevant. Paul Allen said he would put up the money.

Objecting to the cost of Hedo is like objecting to signing a free agent every year for the MLE when you are already in the luxury tax. The only guy who has a right to object is the owner, and if he’s willing to burn the money, fans should just say, “Thank you very much, we don’t really deserve an owner like this.”

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 15, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were also willing to renounce Freeland, Claver and Kop

to make a $50M offer.

Notice they weren’t willing to do the same for Millsap, which I thought strange based on all the toxic offer talk. If you don’t need Freeland or Claver with Turk, why do you need them with the younger Millsap? Anyway, I’m glad they didn’t because I didn’t want Millsap and that might have drove Utah over the edge.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 15, 2009 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they were going to renounce Claver

Freeland and Koponen, yes, but I never heard they were going to renounce Victor. They didn’t have to do so to get to $50 million.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 15, 2009 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m glad they didn’t because I didn’t want Millsap

I sure did, the “big” lineup with LMA-Millsap-C would have rocked, for 10-12 mpg

what were you afraid of, that getting Paul would’ve signalled a parting of the ways with LMA or Joel? Not me, 4 quality bigs is not 1 too many, it means more rest for all during the season and more trouble for the opponents in the playoffs

Someday we may get an explanation re: the Turko-love, like maybe in 30 years on a Comcast summer program?

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by two4larue on Sep 15, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"what were you afraid of ...?"

We’ve been over that about a dozen times already.

Millsap wasn’t going to be paid $32M to only play 10-12 minutes. His other 18-20 minutes would push LMA to center, or you suggested LMA could play SF (no way!).

Pushing LMA to center for that long would have made us weaker at two positions. LMA is better than Millsap at PF, and both Joel and Greg are better than LMA at center. So we would lose at two positions for 18-20 minutes a game, just to have a good backup PF for 10-12 minutes. That makes no sense to me.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 15, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you suggested LMA could play SF (no way!).

yes way. The same arguments that “Travis can guard backup PFs” can be used for “LMA could guard backup SFs for 5-6 minutes a half” All he would have to do is back off the SF and dare him to shoot over the top, just like he does with PGs when they get switched off on him

and on the other end, the opposing coach gets to choose who he’s gonna guard with his SF…LMA or Millsap? Advantage: Nate

and there were those quotes from Millsap’s agent about Portland’s brass not acquiring players based on positions

oh well, didn’t happen. It would’ve rocked, though

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMA at SF

wouldn’t work against the quicker SFs, but would be fine often enough to make it work.

But you’d be taking minutes away from our SFs, which might not be ideal.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 16, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it might work in a zone

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 16, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not only a matter of defense.

Who do want spreading the floor for Roy and shooting 3’s – Webster, Batum, Rudy, or LMA? Or are you going to put Oden, Millsap, and LMA all in the post together and clog up the middle for Roy?

Hey we don’t Millsap. We can just put Oden, Joel, and LMA in the game together now. That should work well.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 16, 2009 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, it's probably a lineup that would be used

when Roy is resting…not the “starting” lineup

LMA can knock down open jumpers out to 20 feet. The PG and SG should be able to knock down open jumpers, as well. Meanwhile, the Blazers could create post-up nightmares and rebound the other team’s bench into submission. This was a “hypothetical” big lineup that I came up with as a way to guarantee Millsap 30+ mpg, without cutting into LMA/Greg/Joel’s PT…it wasn’t intended to be the main dish, just a side of veggies

and to win in the playoffs, you need to eat your vegetables

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought "you have to make your free throws".

Maybe carrots help your eyesight, so you can make your free throws?

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 16, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed on the trade

which would have been why I’d have waited before going nuts about it. I would have simply been displeased. Also, the amount of money was just dumb stupid money.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Sep 14, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no they're not

it’s just all the cigarette smoke getting into their eyes. You’d cry too.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Sep 14, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am crying

right now i mean

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Sep 14, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barrett, on Courtside

said Dante Cunningham has put on a lot of upper-body muscle, since the summer league

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 14, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Rudy defense on Turkoglu wasn´t good enough.

Hedo´s stats against Serbia:

Player Min 2PFG % 3P % FT % Reb AS PF TO ST Pts

Hedo, 38 1/12 8,3 0/4 0,0 2/2 100,0 7 2 1 2 4 4

by amlmart1 on Sep 15, 2009 2:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why Hedo

Even though no one will say it, the underlining reason they went after
Hedo was because Rudy wasn’t the play maker they were hoping for,
Only a big Rudy homer can even compare the two in their ablity to break down
the defense and create for his teammates. Rudy will be a fine NBA role player,
but he’s not going to be the all around Ginobili star we were hoping for.

by MotoMan045 on Sep 15, 2009 5:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ginobili was an instant all-around star?

Ginobili first year NBA stats (age 25): 69 games, 7.6 pts, 2.0 asts, 44% FG%, 34.5% 3-pt%, 74% FT%, 2.3 rbds

Rudy first year NBA stats (age 23): 78 games, 10.4 pts, 2.0 asts, 42.5% FG%, 40% 3-pt%, 84% FT%, 2.7 rbds

Ginobili really blew him away, huh?

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 15, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll stand my statements

Ginobili, much like Roy, has always been an all round player, who become a better
all round player as he got more experience. Rudy on the other hand, was fairly limited
in what he was able to do this year. While he’s very good at was he does, as I said in the earlier post I don’t see a 24 year old player developing all that much in areas of his game we rarely saw last year.

by MotoMan045 on Sep 15, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Rudy was drafted to be a Hedo or a Ginobili

he’s a 3 point specialist who can slip behind the defense for alley-oop dunks

and make some fancy post-entry passes

(but on defense he can only defend average SGs, and Portland has this guy named Roy who is entrenched at that position)

But don’t expect him to penetrate like Ginobili and get to the FT line, or run the P&R like Hedo. Rudy is a complimentary player who is at his best in an uptempo system, and it’s difficult to see him making progress towards NBA stardom with Portland

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 15, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that Rudy will for sure be as good as Manu

But Rudy was 23 as a rookie, and Manu was 25.

The first year is always a tough adjusting year for Euros, especially ones used to being the most athletic person on the floor. The size and athleticism is tough to adjust for, let alone the new culture, rules, and politics of the game on the court.

Rudy definitely has started out better than Manu did, but for the future I worry that Rudy isn’t a good or creative enough ballhandler, not enough of a slasher.

But he’s a better passer and shooter than Manu was his rookie season.

Morty

by Mortimer on Sep 15, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hee hee

I think he’ll have quite a bit better season than last year… and last year, he had one of the best rookie years for a Euro ever. I thought he did great.

He also showed that he wasn’t likely ready to be the starting PG on a good team, but that isn’t really the point. He showed himself to be a versatile and unique talent— and like with “normal” rookies, the 2nd and 3rd year in the NBA is when Euros grow by leaps and bounds.

A rookie is a rookie is a rookie. Now, Rudy won’t have as much room to exponentially grow as the 4 years younger Batum or Oden, but he still has room to grow as a 24 year old. Especially after only one season, which is always basically a trial run for the Euro’s career.

By his young age, his Euroness, and his only one year of NBA play, Rudy is certainly not finished as what he is as a player.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Sep 15, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I expect noticeable improvement — if he gets PT. With the other things happening at SF, and with Brandon at SG, Rudy could improve quite a bit and still get reduced minutes.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 16, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After 78 NBA games he's incapable of adapting or improving his skills.

We should trade him while we still can for a Tony Luftman replacement.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 16, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point but...

Of course the real test will be to see how much progression Rudy makes. Not everyone continues to grow by leaps and bounds.

by BlazerNation on Sep 15, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller to Fernandez

I really want to see Rudy and Andre Miller on the floor at the same time. Can you envision Miller posting up, kicking out to Rudy? Can you see them on the pick and roll with Rudy ending up with an easy, perfectly placed alley-oop pass? Miller will be everything Serg was for Rudy and then some.

by BlazerNation on Sep 15, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this reality?

If Rudy and Miller both play at the same time, then where is Roy in all this?

by Cheese Is Yellow on Sep 16, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Resting on the bench

and playing in a 3-guard lineup.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 16, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy isn't going to play 48 mpg

When he’s out, Rudy is in. And look for Andre to be playing a lot of those minutes when Brandon is out.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 17, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rudy has plenty of room to grow if he gets the minutes that will let him. I know everyone wants Rudy to get more minutes, and so do I, but I think he will get the same amount of minutes as last year with a similar role on the team. I do hope his minutes and role increase though and for him to improve with the extra responsibilities he should be given on the court.

by Silky Johnson on Sep 17, 2009 2:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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