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Notes from Seattle

For those who don't know, I've spent the last few days in the Emerald City up north visiting family.  Since we in Portland are sometimes accused of being provincial, I thought I'd take the opportunity to clue you in to the character and state of things up here.

Seattle is a beautiful city.  Its most imposing natural landmark is Mt. Rainier (literal translation from Native American: "more rain"), nestled a few dozen miles to the southeast of the city.  Seattlites are quite proud of their mountain grandeur, which distinguishes the city from most.  Outside of half the towns in Oregon, of course.  And Northern California.  And Colorado.  And Wyoming.  And parts of Utah.  In any case, they're happy to have Rainier, as it allows them to describe their city as "scenic", which is a fancy way of saying "slow to drive through".

Seattle's other obvious natural treasure is Puget Sound.  You may wonder how a body of water is designated a "Sound".  In this case it's because other than sight, that's the only sense you can employ while interacting with the water in question.  It looks like an ocean but it lacks modern conveniences like...ohhhh...any discernable beach or access to the shoreline.  This tends to cut down on those annoyingly stereotypical waterfront activities such as Frisbee throwing, kite-flying, sand-castle building, volleyball playing, and of course swimming.  You can listen to the water lapping up on the land, but that's all you get.  Well, except some days when there's an air inversion.  Then you're treated to Puget Smell.  But that didn't look as good in the visitor brochures.

But fear not!  Even if you can't touch the water or get within ten feet of it without negotiating your way through an industrial wasteland you can still get the maritime experience by taking one of the ferries which regularly depart from Pier 52 on the water(less)front.  These massive ships could easily fit 800 walruses on their sun deck.  That is if the walruses wanted to pay $7 a pop to have a constant 30 mile-per-hour wind drive them under cover of the enclosed deck even on the sunniest of days.  And if the walruses didn't mind getting stampeded by tourists rushing fore and aft to snap pictures of things far too tiny to see.  Every hour or so a ferry awaits to sweep you away to an exotic destination.  You can choose a small, artsy island that's so overdeveloped that you can't access the shoreline there either...a place where locals will be happy to charge you $20 for a fish and chips basket that would have run you $8.99 on the other side of the water.  (Culture!)  Or you can debark near a naval base where wandering sailors will chase anything displaying any remotely feminine quality.  (62 ways to itch in one convenient package!)

Leaving nature aside, the Emerald City's most distinctive man-made landmark is, of course, the iconic Space Needle.  The impressively-named structure reaches 605 feet into the air, which leaves it only 384,836 feet short of the boundary of actual space.  But, you know, that's still pretty good.  The Space Needle was constructed for the 1962 World's Fair, a gathering where representatives from all over the globe share corn dogs and funnel cakes and wish earnestly for a cure to heart disease.  For the mere price of $60 a family of four can ride an elevator to the top of the Space Needle and enjoy the same view of the city that can be seen for free on any of the approximately 6,000 hills that ring Seattle's perimeter.  Or they can dine at a revolving restaurant where that $20 basket of fish and chips will cost you $40.  Per french fry.  (Haute Cuisine!)

If you're into spectacle there's nothing like the fish market at Pike's Place Market.  OK, I'm lying.  I admit it.  I'm not that impressed by people chucking smelly dead animals at other people all day even if it is an obligatory part of any video montage of Seattle.  Now if they were selling doughnuts...mmmmm...

One apple fritter for the lady!

ONE apple frit-TER!  (chuck!)

There you go m'am.  And you sir?  Don't be shy!  One old-fashioned glazed!

Old FASH-ioned glay-YAZED!   (chuck!)

Yes, miss?  One Bavarian Cream!

One Bah-VAR-ian Cr...ooops.

Uh...sorry.  That happens sometimes.  Napkin?  And would anyone care to purchase just a Bavarian?

No discussion of Seattle would be complete without covering the coffee scene.  There are 800,000 coffee houses in Seattle plus about 1,200 Starbucks.  Somehow each one of the 800,000 smaller shops has staked out the exact six Hallowed Coffee Trees from a particular third-world country that make their coffee the most flavorful, aromatic, and luscious of the bunch.  They tend to write their offerings on dry erase boards, not because the menu changes but because the names of the source countries keep changing with each new coup or revolution.  Last week the Sacred Six Trees were in the Democratic Federation of Ulakawanda.  Now they're in the United Confederacy of Hatutupala.  But never (NEVER!) do these fluctuating conditions lead to any exploitation of the coffee growers, their laborers, or the earth.  That would be a travesty indeed!  How could you possibly spend $6.75 on a self-indulgent, over-caffeinated, hyper-sweetened, ultimately fattening delicacy (while children across the world can't even get access to clean water) if you felt that anyone, anywhere in the process of getting your drink had been exploited?  No...each of these shops personally sends baristas to the Hallowed Trees to overpay the producers and their workers by a factor of at least 50 for their produce and labor.  While there they happily pitch in so that nobody has to work more than 20 minutes in a day, eagerly give foot massages to anyone who asks, and invoke ancient rain-bringing rituals so no artificial and potentially destructive irrigation methods are used in the growing process.  Well, all except Starbucks that is.  They just use the Force to choke people until they give up the beans.

But perhaps you're more interested in the arts.  You're in luck.  Every person in Seattle is required to be in at least three bands.  It's a rule.  Sometimes these bands get together and play actual concerts.  There are always three bands to a concert.  The accepted form is "BAND A with BAND B!   Special Guest: BAND C!!!"  Bands A and B are usually the same guys switching places between sets.  Band C is Band A's drummer's little brother's group.  Even though "Special Guest" sounds like an important role you don't want to be in that band.  They're the folks who get sent out to play before people are sufficiently drunk to recognize the True Artistic Talent inherent in every single band that comes from Seattle.  The cover charge to see this collection of bands is always $6.  No more, no less.  But since everyone from Seattle is in three bands already the only people with the time and energy to come and see these concerts are those related to or currently sleeping with band members.  The motto of the Seattle music scene is "Impoverishing your Loved Ones $6 at a Time."

You know all of this because of the signs.  Even more than musical talent, a superior set list, or functional equipment the make-or-break factor for all small bands is their poster.  In addition to the time, date, and location of the concert you have to list all of the band names next to a Provocative Picture.  Then you have to plaster the sign everywhere possible.  So all around town--on phone poles, brick walls, dogs, pigeons, small children--you'll see

 FRIDAY, OCTOBER 6TH at SALTY PETE'S:  Drekgärten with The Flaming Sulus  

Special Guest:  Grandma's Dirty Knickers! 

$6 cover

accompanied by a picture of a rabid dog or a wood fairy or a disembodied pair of wrists chained by handcuffs.  Anything that doesn't move fast enough gets covered with these missives.  In ten minutes that old lady at the bus stop is going to become the default search engine for neighborhood concerts.  Sometimes it gets so bad that walls run out of space.  Then you see an old-fashioned Battle of the Bands wherein Evangelical Hostility pastes right over the poster for Fluffy Munchkin and then the dude from Fluffy Munchkin comes back and rips down Evangelical Hostility's offering and replaces it with their own again.  If they catch each other in the process you could even get treated to a lead-singer slap-fest right there on the spot!  Handbills are sacred, man.  You don't cross that line.

But for all of these joys, attractions, and quirks, I found Seattle also lacking a couple things.  There remains an utter paucity of green and gold around town.  For the first time in my life I failed to see a single Sonics shirt while visiting.  More than that, I wore my red and black Blazersedge.com shirts all over town for the better part of a week, making my rooting interests more than obvious.  In years past this would have invited several questions about the legitimacy of my parents' union when I was conceived.  At least I would have gotten some flack about how we stole Brandon Roy and Martell Webster and how they were coming back home after they apprenticed in the hick town down south.  Instead three separate girls asked me about my shirts and said they were awesome.  Ten years ago I would have thought that was probably due to some sexy-cool Dave thang going on.  But I'm 40 and I haven't shaved for five days.  It was the shirts.  It was actually the shirts.

That ain't right.

Whatever else you think of Seattle a Blazer fan shouldn't be able to ride the Bainbridge ferry without at least one knucklehead threatening to pitch him overboard if he doesn't lose the gear.  Even this far on, the loss is still there.

What happened to you, Seattle?  There are fewer reasons to hate you now.  And that's not a good thing.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)  

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RIP, Seattle Supersonics. RIP.

"If the Lakers are Hollywood, then we are South Central." - Clipper fan.

by Cablinasian on Sep 12, 2009 1:17 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Made me come out of the alley.

I have perused the site in darkness since Brandon got drafted. Had to reg for this little gem. Cheers Mate.

by HallelujahHoeDown on Sep 12, 2009 1:23 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Would you wear your blazers gear

If the Blazers had been shipped off to the middle of nowhere the year prior? Most people just pretend they never cared anyway. I always feel like a chump when people ask me if i used to be a Sonics fan (i did.) In retrospect there’s a certain sense that i was simply “wasting my time” watching and caring about the team.

Thankfully i never grew up hating the Blazers and going to college in Portland solidified them as my second favorite. Their play last year made it easy to get excited about the team. I’m probably a rare case though. Most other people i know have just stopped watching basketball period. Maybe once the Timbers joins the MLS we can have more neighborly sports hatred.

by moflow on Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I love the NBA

It’s the only sport I watch.

But if My Blazers were stolen from me like that, I dunno if I could watch or follow the NBA anymore either.

It’s just not the same as when the Grizzlies move, or the Hornets, or the Bobcats when they eventually move to Seattle. The Sonics had real history, everyone grew up with the team. Man, that would suck to lose your team.

I’m glad ya came to the Blazers, though.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Sep 12, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seattleans... Seattlelites... those folks living in Seattle

have other major league sports options, at least. If the Blazers left Portland, the sports scene would implode.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 12, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

if the blazers left

i’d never watch nba basketball again.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Sep 12, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd still love them if they moved to Hawaii

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 13, 2009 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

sooooo.. .the wife made you go see her parents hu?

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Sep 12, 2009 1:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I went up to Tacoma over Labor Day weekend

mother-in-law’s birthday, it’s a duty

Everytime we visit it rains. It doesn’t matter what time of year it is. I’m a Duck so you’d think I’d be used to constant precipitation, but I wasn’t ready for summer to be over yet and I was so glad to drive 150 miles back south to the land of more “sun breaks”

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hear that...

used to camp up in Olympia with my dad for the summers… (what summers!!!) lol

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Sep 13, 2009 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hilarious read.

I still feel really bad for Seattle losing the Sonics though. It was seriously a jerk move to take a well-established team and rip it away from its roots like that.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Sep 12, 2009 1:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I can smell Seattle right now

Is that little island Vancouver Island with its very English capital, or did you mean something else?

There's Gotta Be More To Life

by Norsktroll on Sep 12, 2009 1:47 AM PDT reply actions  

That's the main place the ferries go

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Sep 12, 2009 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually judging from the podcast its probably Bainbridge island

Bainbridge is just a 35 minute ferry ride from Downtown seattle. You’re thinking of the Victoria Clipper Ferry that goes to Vancouver Island. That ferry also leaves from downtown seattle but it takes a couple of hours, and doesn’t allow cars. Bainbridge is quaint pretty and nice. It’s a great place to raise kids until they get to be about 15 at which point they discover it’s also phenomenally boring.

by moflow on Sep 12, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

kids that age think anywhere they're living is boring

even if they grew up next to Disneyland

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you're treated to Puget Smell

I refer to it as the “Pungent Sound”

The San Juan Islands are pretty cool, though

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

did michael jordan’s hall of fame induction speech/rant inspire this? lol

by Ben Golliver on Sep 12, 2009 1:55 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice work

This seriously reads like a Dave Barry column, well done!

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Sep 12, 2009 2:19 AM PDT reply actions  

IDK Daves last name

so obviously, they must be the same person.

by Sangre on Sep 12, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Deckard

But since no one has seen him and “Barry” together at the same time, you may be on to something…perhaps “Barry” is his nom de plume?

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Deckard is the pen name

Anyway…regardless…Dave should have a sitcom made of his life and get Harry Andersen to play the lead…..that would be cool

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Sep 12, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

WOW MY STOMACH HURTS

DAVE I MET YOU AT THE ACADEMY LAST SEASON DURING THE DENVER GAME AND I SAID TO YOU, " YOU ARE A VERY GOOD WRITER" AND THIS JUST PROVES IT.
I AM LMAO READING THIS, YOU HAVE A GIFT MY FRIEND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT!

by kaisersoze on Sep 12, 2009 2:20 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

i like seatle

i lived in seatle for about a year and it was pretty fun (now i live in tacoma)…. Hempfest was awesome! i am originally from portland though, and im not sure witch i prefer. it would be nice to be living in portland again cause it makes it easier to go see the games.

"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting"

"I don't like jail, they got the wrong kind of bars in there"
Charles Bukowski

by jpaulson on Sep 12, 2009 3:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Dave

You win. At everything.
That is all.

by JonathanPDX on Sep 12, 2009 3:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I dunno if the task were pickin up street walkers in boise I'm fairly certain tom would blow dave out the water.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Sep 13, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know

whether to laugh or shudder…

by Charon on Sep 13, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brilliant

As a Seattle transplant, all I can say is… you nailed it!

by silverfly7 on Sep 12, 2009 4:03 AM PDT reply actions  

double satire?

The whole point of this post is that all of these things apply equally to Portland, right? That is the only way it makes sense for a Portland blog to make fun of another city about fair trade coffee and having a lot of bands. I just can’t figure out how the ferry jokes translate.

by zach2046 on Sep 12, 2009 4:33 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Go back to California

you…you…commie!

You’re right, it is double satire: satirizing Seattle and satirizing people who read deeper meaning while actually satirizing Seattle is the only motive necessary for writing anything.

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Sep 12, 2009 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

With a home in Portland and a job in Seattle ...

… I can attest that much does apply to both places.

Still, Portland and Oregon get the edge from me. People are just a bit friendlier to the south.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 14, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Snap!

Dave is trying to relive days which may never return. Where’s good-natured hostility when you need it?

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Sep 12, 2009 5:35 AM PDT reply actions  

The best sandwich I ever ate was in Seattle

I can’t remember the name of it but it was a little yellow building and the entire exterior was covered in colanders and angel food cake pans.

Next time you go to the Farmers Market, there is a nice Chinese place near the first Starbucks that has good manapua.

by tominhawaii on Sep 12, 2009 5:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I have a place like that too

Best food ever….can’t remember what the place is called….or what city it was in…but it was awesome. I am not sure what food I had to eat either. Anyway…you should try it…it was great

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Sep 12, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Taiwanese cuisine

there was a nice little Taiwan restaurant in Seattle on a street that I can’t remember…they had a great lunch buffet. Nothing like it in PDX that I’m aware of

but that was 25+ years ago, so I could be wrong

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave's True Calling

Dave, you’ve missed the boat. You should have been a travel writer!

I do thank you for this piece on Seattle, as my son has suspiciously wanted to go there and find a job. Now I know the job is playing in a rock band.

Hey, a job’s a job and in today’s “economy” whatever that phrase means, work is work.

Can he play? Doubtful. Does it matter?

yea, no.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether you win."

by hrtlndblzrfn on Sep 12, 2009 6:07 AM PDT reply actions  

should have been a travel writer?

then his books could’ve wound up in that bookshop on Knotting Hill with Hugh Grant and Julia Roberts

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

That came across as way too snarky, Dave. I’m originally from Portland (18 years) but I’ve lived in the Seattle area for 13 years. While I still prefer Portland, Seattle and the surrounding areas have their charms. I think you should read Things About Portland That Suck and reconsider your post (I mean, the Pearl District, c’mon! What happened to Portland!?!)

And with regard to why you can stroll the streets of Seattle in red & black with impunity, it’s because the Seattle Supersonics no longer exist – the Trailblazers are the only NBA show in town now thanks to David Stern, Clay Bennett and the Antichrist of Mocha, Howard Schultz.

by DonkeyShins on Sep 12, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

One warning

The very first post on T.A.P.T.S. disses “Bust A Bucket” – be warned.

by DonkeyShins on Sep 12, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've live in both Portland and the Seattle area, and after living in Hawaii, I choose Hawaii

Only family and my favorite sports teams can lure me back to Portland and Seattle. So many gloomy clouds and people covered in layers of frumpy clothes. Both places are depressing 75% of the year.

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 12, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 months and counting

The 25% is creeping towards 50% and as an Oregonian living in Portland I embrace global weirding

by Oggbog on Sep 12, 2009 12:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If we did word association

The first thing I would say about Oregon or the northwest is “cold.”

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 12, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cold?

Oh, please. Try Eastern Washington – fantastic brass monkey weather in January. The worst I’ve ever seen it in Woodinville was 8 degrees and that was during a very abnormal cold snap.

by DonkeyShins on Sep 12, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had to wear a sweatshirt in August in Oregon

In Hawaii, I only wear jackets or sweatshirts when the AC is set too cold.

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 13, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tom, cold is not the first thing I think of.

Having lived in Conn, Wisconsin, Minnesota and up state NY (not to mention having been north of the artic circle), cold doesn’t even come close to describing Oregon. In fact one of the things I like about the NW is that one can enjoy all the winter sports and activities with an hour’s drive, without having to put up with what sucks about winter.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 14, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wet, is the way I would describe Oregon.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 14, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

TACTS

Things About Cities That Suck would be a more appropriate name for that (hilarious) website. Really, the big gripes were drivers/cyclists, jerks, suburbs and gentrification. I’m afraid those are national problems that are inherent in most American cities.

At the end of the day, Portland is cooler, sexier, tastier, dryer, warmer and a whole lot cheaper than the Emerald City. Rose City for life, bruv.

Go Blazers.

by 500dogs on Sep 13, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Memories

My childhood memories of going to Mariners games are a bit tainted by the blue streak my father painted when trying park before the game, and the fresh set of curses, expletives, and “French” conjured up while trying to leave town after. At a certain point, we just started taking the train.

by 500dogs on Sep 13, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what we get

For living in a city with crappy mass transit and a lot of bottlenecks. I’m NE of the city in more-or-less the boonies and it still gets nasty out here when everyone bails for surface streets.

And for a city with as much rain (less than PDX, of course) as it gets, nobody up here can drive for (poop) in the wet.

by DonkeyShins on Sep 13, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not according to the last surveys.

Portland surpassed Seattle in average commute time about 2 – 3 years ago.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 14, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

A correction.

I believe Portland gets slightly more rainfall than Seattle. So it’s wetter, not drier.

I can’t argue with cooler or cheaper. I miss Portland big-time and am looking forward to my next trip south (to see The Pogues with my brother-in-law and visit my parents).

by DonkeyShins on Sep 13, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know what keeps me her in Portland

Instead of moving my arse to Seattle…
No it isn’t the hipster Beardos or 800,000 strip and sex clubs. It isn’t the awesome income tax I get to pay every week. No, not the 800,000 bikes. Or that everyone in this city is in three bands too (me included). It isn’t how Portlanders are pretentious about this city. Or that really most people that live here seem to be from someplace else. Rejected by their hometown, and found a place as strange as they are. It isn’t the unemployment rate or the first rate schools. Not the beautiful shores of the Willamette. Nope, not the abundance of PBR flowing like rivers to the drunken public or that we have 4 less Starbucks than Seattle.
I could tell you that it’s because I really love the Blazers, but I can love them from anywhere.
The reason I’m here is because it rains a little less.

by NBAstard on Sep 12, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

you can't prove it by me

I think 35 of those inches fall every time I have to visit the in-laws

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just found out Portland has the most Strip Clubs per capita than any other city in the USA! =)

One more reason to live in Portland: In Seattle the strippers cant touch you. We gotta 3 foot rule or something like that. So no more lap dances…..

One more thing: We can’t smoke in public buildings anymore. Portland is where to go if you wanna smoke at the bar.

One more thing….. What happened to the COPPER PENNY?? It turned into a COUNTRY BAR? Are you kidding me?? How could you let that happen Portland? Now everybody goes to the asian clubs down town… Barracuda’s i think its called?? Eh… I miss the old Copper Penny.

by 23izMe on Sep 12, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can't smoke in bars in Portland anymore.

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on Sep 12, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can still get a lot of mileage at the Everett strip club, Honey's, if you get private dances in the ...

VIP from more laid back girls who work there. Like Rick’s in Seattle and Fox’s in Tacoma, Honey’s is owned by the Colacurcio family — which is presently being taken out back to the woodshed by the Feds: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009402719_webcolacurcio01m.html — however, up in the north Puget Sound nowadays, the four-foot rule regarding no illicit touching of the patrons once again means squat.

Anyway, it bothers me that the gov’t is wasting money going after some small-time mafiosos in such a gung-ho manner. Prostitution may be the overt issue here, but for the gov’t the underlying cause for pushing hard on this case is due to the tax evasion, racketeering, et cetera. Y’know, when it’s all said and done, the gov’t will rake in the dough through whatever settlement is reached out of court.

At any rate, though, folks in Portland are lucky in that alcohol can be served at strip clubs down there. That, in conjuction with its plethora of establishments to choose from as a customer, do provide it an advantage over the Emerald City and its outlying areas.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Sep 12, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Dave! This was a really fun read.

I’m reminded of the time when hubby and I were courting. He took me to Seattle on the train for a Seahawks/Patriots game and to the Space Needle restaurant for dinner. In the taxi on the way to the Space Needle our driver smoked a joint the size of a Cuban cigar and very generously offered to share. We declined but it was the only generosity we found that evening. Of course, the menu at the restaurant had no price list but we placed our order with our very snotty waitress who had a very thick NY accent. When she presented us with the bill hubby quietly asked to see a price list and she went ballistic and got really insulting, loudly calling us hicks and stuff. Hubby told her he was from New York too and that he knew when he was being scammed. She finally left and about 15 minutes later the manager came out with a price list and told us the waitress had been fired. She had padded our bill by $40. We ate for free. Good times.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope you are happy that you destroyed a promising career in the gourmet food business, Ann :)

There's Gotta Be More To Life

by Norsktroll on Sep 12, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

She coulda been a contendah!! :0

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not everyone in Seattle is snotty / stuck up

Although I’m sure we’ll see a high percentage at The Bravern in Bellevue (opens today).

by DonkeyShins on Sep 12, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love stories like that.

A better ending would have been the ex-waitress getting arrested, but I won’t be greedy.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 12, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Green and Gold

Are you telling me there’s not a single Aussie in Seattle? Whatever happened to that Pacific Rim stuff? PS; I wish I could write pregnant little three and four word sentence as good as you.

by oregonslee on Sep 12, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

just put ....lots....of ....pauses in

….like I do

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Sep 12, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lauren Jackson is in Seattle, and I’m sure she wears her home colors some times.

"...the primary focus of all obstacles is to induce labor, so progression can be born." - LiL C

by idoltime on Sep 13, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle has always been awesome

I feel Seattle is very much like us, and is our partner against the evil Empire to the South (California)

For example I felt a sting when the Sonics left, and would very much verbally abuse Clay Bennett is met in person.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Sep 12, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't really get it Dave

You have a lot of credit built up with me so I will assume I am just missing something. The spirit seemed a little counter to what you normally go for. Maybe I am just not in the mood or missing the joke/sentiment…?

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 12, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Maybe...

I was just expressing my distaste for this piece for whatever it was worth. I would normally just not read it but it was Dave and thus surprisingly different in tone for him. No ill will, just didn’t think it was Dave’s best work.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 13, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just a friendly I-5 rivarly.

We like to insult them, they like to pretend to not know we exist.

by goblazer1 on Sep 13, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I have always liked both cities...

so I don’t get it. My rivalry instincts are set on LA/Southern California. I was waiting for the twist that never came. Oh well.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 13, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Seattle

I have lived here for 12 years since moving up from Portland to go to the UW. Great City, good people and always something to do.

This is Jack burton from the PorkChop Express and I'm talkin to whoever's out there.....

by Jack Burton on Sep 12, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Similar story for me. I love Portland as well, but it feels a bit too small for me…too little late night entertainment besides the strip clubs, etc. Plus, it’s actually possible to find decent Chinese/Viet/Japanese/Korean food up here. (Thanks to bigger size + better diversity)

Now only if we had a decent public transportation system…or at least one that didn’t suck so bad. That and the weather are the two biggest advantage for Portland.

by xedubx on Sep 12, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without the Sonics in town

wearing green and gold is now illegal in the Emorrhoid City. Not because of any lingering bitterness towards the Sonics going to Okalhoma.

It’s just that in the absense of Sonics basketball—green and gold are now Duck colors.

And a bitter reminder of just how bad the Huskies are at football these days. OSU’s “toilet bowl” team of 1983 or so would have whipped last year’s Dawgs by four touchdowns.

I am Spartacus and I approved this message

by EngineerScotty on Sep 12, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

On 10/24/2009, the Washington Huskies will annihilate the Oregon Sucks up in Montlake.

It’s as simple as that, too, so there’s absolutely no need for me to elaborate any further here.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Sep 12, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

WSU should kick the crap out of UH today in Seattle

1:00 PM HST, but I doubt it’s on TV.

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 12, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I got a bunch of friends who are going to Qwest Field today.

It’s going to be a crappy game, though, since both teams are flat-out awful.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Sep 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are never good away from home

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 12, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I was wrong

I don’t think I am though, WSU must really suck. U of H barely beat Central Arkansas at home last week.

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 13, 2009 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which says how far the Ducks have fallen

It seems the best teams in the Pacific Northwest this year are BSU and OSU. Too bad they won’t play each other. (And unlike the Ducks, the Beavs have actually managed to beat the Broncos on several occasions…)

I am Spartacus and I approved this message

by EngineerScotty on Sep 12, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey!!!

Ann let you out of the basement!! Good news!

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Sep 12, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's out on good behavior but I'm monitoring him closely.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

OSU doesn't belong on that list

Michael Jordan is overrated. The only thing he ever did in HD was underwear commercials and a hall of fame speech.

by tominhawaii on Sep 13, 2009 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love it!

Seattle is Boeing, Microsoft, Nintendo America, and that’s about it. It’s a nice place to visit I guess, but it’s routinely 10 degrees colder than our Hick town, and people seem to be infinitely less friendly (the Seattle Freeze anyone?). I have no beef with them, because ultimately they did give us Sir Mix-A-Lot and Brandon Roy. Based on the strength of those individuals alone, I give them a pass. They can hate us all they want, I’m much happier here.

Fine, the OLP album grew on me. It's defiantly change.

by SuperDave on Sep 12, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Pike's; Seahawks; islands; Mariners; Bumbershoot; real hotels; speedboat races; Space Needle; Science Fiction Museum

Seattle has its attractions, not the least of which it has hotels big enough to host an NBA All Star game. Oh, wait. Never mind.

Still, Seattle ranks up there with the great cities to visit. Would I want to live there? Nope. But I wouldn’t want to live in Portland, either.

by blacknoiseNW on Sep 12, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow Dave

can you spell J-E-A-L-O-U-S-Y?

Also, the phrase “we in Portland” should be reserved for people who you know, LIVE in Portland.

Just sayin’ :P

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Sep 12, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Better than that

I know you B-edgers are better than this! It is obvious 80% of the Seattle post could apply to Portland… he is pointing out that, because of this, it is sad the rivalry is dead.

We are and probably always will be the slightly wierder little brother of more slick corporate Seattle, but we are definitely family… both places have been inundated with eastcoasters.

And green and gold beware… Huskies are on the rise!

Husky/Blazer fan.. NOT AN OXY MORON!

by silverfly7 on Sep 12, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

United in hatred

Of all things So Cal and LA (esp. the team that shall not be named)

by xedubx on Sep 12, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Huskies were to be hated ....

especially if you were an avid Duck fan. They did some pretty disrespectful things to us. But I hate to admit since the Huskies’ have fallen on harder times than have been experienced by few major colleges, I’m ashamed to admit I find myself rooting for them. Probably more abominal, after 21 or 22 losing seasons I was disgusted to find myself cheering on the Beavers (when no one was looking of course).

Side note: Oh but did Jake Locker ever miss the boat for not signing on with the Ducks. Chip Kelly’s offense would have made a mega star out of him just like it almost did to Juan Dixon. But Jake followed the Beach Boy’s mantra “Be True To Your School” (or area) so I can’t fault him for that. One of the very nicest guys I’ve ever known owns the hardware store in downdown(?) Naselle Washington (maximum of 3 business there). I was disappointed to learn he was a big Husky supporter, but he went to school there so I forgive him (be true to your school you know).

But really, I give only a passing interest to Duck and Pac 10 football. The BLAZERS and the NBA are where it’s at for me. Rip City!

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Sep 12, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The "reply button" no longer works in this post, at least for me.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah. I reloaded the tab and all is well. Thanks for checking.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave,

Where can i get me some Blazersedge.com SHIRTS???

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on Sep 12, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Ohhh you need my address ehhh??

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on Sep 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

For Free Also!?!?!?

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on Sep 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

:( I want one too

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Sep 13, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want 7... one for each day of the week!

Because that’s how many days of joy each week BEdge brings to my life :-)

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Sep 13, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I hit the reply button it sends me to the top of the page.

That doesn’t happen in other posts. Maybe I should reboot.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

it's working for me

:)

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on Sep 12, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That happens to me sometimes, too.

Or I’ll type the letter “c” and nothing happens.

Try rebooting your computer, which fixes anything: software, flat feet, ailing marriages, etc.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 12, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

buy a mac

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Sep 13, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Born and raised in Portland, moved to Seattle a few months ago...

“…the Emerald City’s most distinctive man-made landmark is, of course, the iconic Space Needle. The impressively-named structure reaches 605 feet into the air, which leaves it only 384,836 feet short of the boundary of actual space. But, you know, that’s still pretty good.”

Possibly my favorite Dave line ever. Along with last years recaps casting Frye, Diogu, and Randolph as the three stooges.

Having just moved from Portland to Seattle, I like it up here, but it is much more of a “big city” than I ever realized, way, way different from Portland. Up here, everyone drives 10 over the speed limit at all times, routinely cut each other off, etc—but it’s how everyone drives, so no one cares. It is, I have to say, a bit liberating, to be able to drive in ways that would elicit multiple middle fingers, honks, brake checks, etc in Portland, without any hint of any irritation from anyone. But, no one here EVER waves. Portlanders almost always give a wave if you let them into a lane or turn.

Also, I am a major bibliophile, and I have to say, the absolute most depressing thing about Seattle is that it has a HORRIBLE selection of bookstores. I am having literal Powell’s withdrawals. Eliot Bay is neat, but it’s selection isn’t much different than a Borders. That being said, does anyone know a good, big, used/new bookstore anywhere within 50 miles of Seattle???

Also, this city is not nearly as bike friendly as Portland, and not nearly as walk-friendly either. It has a reputation for a lot of the things Portland does (RE: bands, coffee, green, rain, etc) but none of those things are at the heart of Seattle, like they are in Portland.

It is colder here, constantly, everything is far more expensive (though no income tax which I greatly appreciate!).

But, most of all, this area has the worst traffic I have EVER seen—and I have spent significant time in LA. Portland doesn’t come close to how bad the traffic is up here on the freeways, and LA may not either. Honestly.

So, in short, I always thought of Seattle as like a bigger Portland. But that doesn’t really apply at all. Other than climate in a pretty general sense, they aren’t much alike in reality. In Portland there are real hippies and granola crunchers all over the place—In Seattle, the hippies and granola crunchers are that way because it is trendy (see: Fremont). The outdoorsy people are, for the most part, outdoorsy because it somehow makes them superior. Granted, you find that in Portland sometimes as well, but I never experienced it as much as I have up here. I have hiked Mt St Helens and a few other short hikes with co workers and some other people, and every time it is an exercise in bourgeois superiority based on how outdoorsy they are that it made the experiences really unpleasant. Sort of like all the outdoorsy people in Seattle are from Lake Oswego, it’s strange.

But all in all, I like it. But the idea that it is similar to Portland seems to be a gigantic myth based on image and perception than anything remotely close to reality. But that’s just my sense.

by TimG on Sep 12, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Get a library card

The seattle Library is pretty awesome. No good bookstores its true, but aside from randomly being closed for a week, the seattle library is great.

by moflow on Sep 12, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'ed for truth

Apparently, Seattle traffic is supposed to second worst in west coast behind LA, but it feels worse. At least cars move during rush hour in LA.

It’s really much bigger and spread-out place than Portland. The two cities seemed much more similar when I first moved up here 15 years ago, but it’s just seems much, much bigger than Portland now because Seattle grew so much while Portland stayed pretty similar.

by xedubx on Sep 12, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm with xedubx

i think it use to be more like portland, like ~10 years ago, but it’s grown a lot. ballard, fremont, bellmont pretty much every building is new. but having moved from seattle a few years ago you nailed it, “In Seattle, the hippies and granola crunchers are that way because it is trendy”

by kengriffey on Sep 13, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Half Priced Books is probably the best you will find up here.

There are some nice small bookstores. One over on Vashon Island comes to mind.

And you are correct about drivers not waving. About 90% of the time I see a wave, I’ll notice Oregon tags.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 14, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparantly, Dave is not a soccer fan

Or, he would have every reason to hate s**ttle.

Up the Timbers!
Uck the flounders!
ACES!

by david1978pdx on Sep 12, 2009 2:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

We do a lot of work in Seattle and generally commute by car from Portland.

Have you ever tried leaving Lynnwood at about 4 in the afternoon to come back to Portland? Real scenic.

Two things Seattle does have are a really nice baseball stadium and Jazz Alley.

by Rick C in Tigard on Sep 12, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I enjoyed the baseball games when the Reds came to town

the train blasts behind the outfield wall got a little annoying, but the retractable roof was fun to watch

but I won’t make a special trip to Safeco until Cincinnati is back in town, I think interleague rotations are every 6 years

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Sep 12, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Myaor's race

I knew Mike McGinn, candidate for mayor, and besides being a nice guy and staunch environmentalist, he’s also a fanatical basketball fan and would probably work hard to bring a team in.

And Safeco field must lead the league in Microbrews, like fourteen of them

by rich from sacramento on Sep 12, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

elitist?

Wow…that does sound snarky. Seattle is a wonderful city. Portland is more my style however. You should stick to critiquing the NBA.

by clonigro on Sep 12, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess Dave isn't allowed to have an opinion.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Or

a sense of humor.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 12, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's even worse.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 12, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are the Joe Buck of blogging

Crossing over from covering sports to comedy is tough and confuses the audience. At least you have house rules against the Artie Langes of the world in your show.

There's Gotta Be More To Life

by Norsktroll on Sep 12, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

I left a pretty big trail of crumbs. Just sometimes people prefer not to follow, I guess.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 13, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or, more amusingly

they do follow exactly but it’s only to complain that somebody left a bunch of bread crumbs lying around here.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 13, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

WORD

THAT’S funny.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Sep 13, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

now that is funny...

No reason to make this personal people.

I did not find humor in the supposedly humorous post. It sounded similar to when people’s only remark on Venice is that it smells funny – well maybe it does, but if that is what you remember about Venice you may have missed something.

by clonigro on Sep 14, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like the pigeon poop?

I tried missing it, but there were too many of them.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 15, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

while portland is home

i’ll always love seattle, it might be my home away from home. it’s basically a bigger portland.

by Fantastic Red Turtle on Sep 12, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I have always said that there is a reason that grunge and heroin are so popular in Seattle...

I do love to visit, however.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix

by philly420pdxhilo on Sep 12, 2009 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

This was a strange, ill-tempered post.

I don’t get the superficial cheap shots.

I’ve spent a lot of time in Seattle and when comparing it to Portland the biggest minus is the traffic, which seems to get worse all the time. That negative is real.

I always think of the Northwest cities Portland, Seattle and Vancouver BC as related, and they are similar more than they are different from each other — whereas say Spokane and Boise (or Eugene) are on another plane.

Worrying about who has what sports-team or whether anyone cares what’s on a t-shirt I might wear seems adolescent. And it’s a positive rather than a negative that there are a lot of aspiring bands to see cheaply and countless places one can meet for coffee or just hang out.

All three cities are beautiful. There’s not really any controversy about that. Going out fishing on a boat in the Puget Sound is hard to beat. Does anyone there worry much about whether on a given day they have a lovely view of Mt Rainier? Maybe about as often as those who live in Portland worry about Mt St Helens and Mt Hood. In other words, if you live there you see them almost all the time.

ignacio

by ignacio on Sep 12, 2009 10:33 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Ignacio, I agree 100 percent

Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver BC are related .. part of Cascadia. I might even include parts of coastal Northern California, like Marin County. We’re more brothers and sisters than most places in the world.

by jayfisher on Sep 13, 2009 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've gotta admit I didn't really love this one either

another former Seattleite, too, so maybe it’s that.

I know at least some of the point was to lament the loss of the rivalry, but in that case, why add insult to their injury?

I was offended on Puget Sound’s behalf. Last year I took the scenic route from Seattle to Olympia, along the Sound. It’s absolutely gorgeous, and the only smell for most of the way is the smell of the ocean.

As for most of the rest, you might as well have been describing Portland.

Oh, well, your blog.

by Section323 on Sep 12, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh well Dave, you can't win them all

I happen to really like Seattle. I like it because it has so many different things to offer than Portland, yet at the same time, the two cities share a lot of the same values. Portland & Seattle reminds me of Me & My Sister. You’d be hard pressed to find two more distinct people — how could we possibly be from the same family?! — yet we can finish each others’ sentences.

I was startled by how much it hurt that the NBA killed the Sonics. Yeah, we were were rivals (just like my sis, I suppose) but I miss the rivalry. It was a a deep throbbing kind of hurt, and it’s still there. All that history, gone. Just like that.

P.S. Some of my fondest Seattle memories take place in West Seattle, where there’s a pretty decent beach if you want to stroll along the water or watch beach volleyball.

by Corvid on Sep 13, 2009 12:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Seriously Bedgers?

You are missing the point that Seattle and Portland are equally laughable in these ways in which he points out (with a sense of humor) of course some of these things are disgraceful such as $60 elevator rides. Nonetheless, the sad thing is that the rivalry between the two is dead.

"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy

by courtsideerrandboy on Sep 13, 2009 2:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Not shaving for five days can be a good thing!

“Awesome! Are you related to Rudy? Whaddabout Sergio? It can’t be Nic .. we know he doesn’t shave yet.”
 
Actually I can’t say much bad about Seattle, except about traffic. I have a sister, cousins, and friends there .. and they’re good people.

by jayfisher on Sep 13, 2009 3:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Hater

oh, this was supposed to be funny….FAIL

by Tiparillo on Sep 13, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow

Gotta love when someone comes into a town, does all the tourist stuff (way to experience the true culture Dave!), and then disrespects the community under the guise of being from a better place.

by Sonic Boom on Sep 13, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

^did not get the joke

Whatever
thetinfoil@gmail.com

by TheTinfoil on Sep 13, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great Sunday morning reading!

Laughed out loud literally several times! Thanks for the birthday gift (yep, mine is today).

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on Sep 13, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Mine too! Happy birthday to us!

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

happy birthday

It's all about the older guys. --- Cloudydays

by L-TrainFTW! on Sep 13, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the laughs!

This brightened my overcast Sunday morning.

by ATrainPDX on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Born and raised in Seattle and...

Dave, I have to say thanks for taking it easy on us. This city’s not nearly as nice as you describe.

by mlsinpdx on Sep 13, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

^got the joke

Whatever
thetinfoil@gmail.com

by TheTinfoil on Sep 13, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

oops.

i forgot dave lives in idaho.
darn.
pick a different state without a franchise.

209 H.

by sctdnkl on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, that certainly wasn't the best read

I guess people you know in real life must enjoy your jokes, because you sure toss out a lot of them. I mean that stuff about the donuts is just bad stuff. I’m not even from Seattle or anything, make fun of whatever you want but, ugh, your jokes, painful stuff.

by Bacne on Sep 13, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it acceptable to say Hahahahhahahahhhaah!!!!!?

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 13, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

It's all about the older guys. --- Cloudydays

by L-TrainFTW! on Sep 13, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Many years ago, some friends of mine tried to find people to hate...

It was New Year’s Eve. They were at a rather large party, and struck up a discussion about how difficult it was to be prejudicial because, you know, hating an entire group of people is hurtful and offensive. Yet having a whole class of people to be prejudicial against is incredibly liberating. You get to resolve all the complicated problems of life by foisting blame on this alien Other that is the scapegoat for all your pain and suffering. So they conspired to find one group that they could freely hate, bash on and insult that could never, ever, possibly catch wind of their transgressions. It would be a completely hypothetical bias against a nearly imaginary foe.

Eventually they settled on Belgians, and spent the first couple of hours of 1993 explaining to anyone who would listen that Belgians were simply worthless cretins who were too stuffy to be French, to foppish to be English, and too short to be Norwegian. They put a tremendous level of effort in singling out Belgians for ridicule. Of course, everyone thought this was all funny as hell… except for the one very quiet, very drunk guy who finally had a complete breakdown over how my friends were humiliating his girlfriend who, although not present at the party, was most certainly Belgian and wasn’t anything at all like they were presenting Belgians to be.

End of joke. End of party.

You can push your tongue through your cheek until it comes out your head like some kind of new-fangled piercing, and people will still take offense. Comedy is a dangerous business. As Robert Heinlein (in the guise of one Valentine Michael Smith) so aptly pointed out, the foundation of humor is pain, and laughter is for the most part a coping mechanism. Worse yet, our dear Dave has engaged in the very riskiest form of comedy, deadpan satire. Indeed, Andy Kauffman was so good at the straight-faced put on that when he was actually dying of cancer, just about nobody believed him.

I really enjoyed this post, but years from now, after almost all of us have forgotten this ever happened, there will be a handful of Seattleites who claim to know “the truth” about what a spiteful guy Dave Deckard really is.

Nonetheless Dave, don’t let that stop you. Rec.

by conspirator5 on Sep 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

rec

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Sep 13, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

+92,000,000

for the Stranger in a Strange Land reference

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Sep 14, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not what I was expecting

I’ve been following bedge for less than a year after having the Green and Gold ripped away from me and I haven’t seen this side of Dave. Were it not for the comments and Dave’s sympathy for former Sonics fans that I’ve seen in reading his work I would have taken this as an out of character attack. So I guess bravo?

I want to put points on your face.

by bonesbarry on Sep 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

(sigh)

For your sake I will explain. And because the thread has basically run its course, methinks.

Blogger visits Seattle, where he’s been quite a few times. Blogger enjoys the city but gets wistful because there isn’t the same “zing!” to it as when the Sonics were there. There was always something a little special, a little edgy, about knowing you were on the home turf of a close rival. You could like the place, but not TOO much. Or rather you’d know that liking the place would be something you’d regret later when some geeked out Sonics fan was saying outrageous things about your team and your city. It was like the little bit of salt in a sweet dessert, bringing out the complexity of the flavor.

So how does Blogger convey this? We could see yet ANOTHER mushy “I miss the Sonics, boo-hoo” post. But we’ve had a dozen of those. Besides, that isn’t really faithful to what the relationship was, is it? The fun wasn’t in singing Kum-Ba-Yah together. The fun was in going at it like angry cousins who hate each other but are stuck together in the same family. In some ways those mushy posts are unnatural. They certainly don’t remind one of a storied past. They certainly don’t hearken to any future either. If Seattle got an NBA team back their fans would be at Portland’s throats again almost immediately and vice-versa.

So how do you honor the relationship while still missing it? With humor. You take the broadest shots possible at your cousin’s foibles just like you both used to…all the while knowing that the foibles you’re pointing out are also your own, which is part of what makes the whole process amusing. (See? People writing in righteous indignation to say that the things I pointed out about Seattle also apply to Portland were exactly right! Ta dah!) Keeping the love alive is just kind of gross. Keeping the fight alive—even in a small, silly way—that’s a strange kind of honor. Or at least it displays what you really miss and the loss you feel.

In the course of these responses we’ve seen some petty name-calling. We’ve seen some complete agreement. Both miss the point. The one thing we haven’t seen—the thing that’s really been missing—is somebody shooting back and complimenting Portland for its waterfront greenbelt which allows people to run or bike by the Willamette…except that the river is so polluted you’ll probably get 16 diseases breathing the air that close. Also in a town that supposedly has aspirations of revolutionizing cuisine on the West Coast how come Portland can’t keep a restaurant open for more than 10 minutes? And by the way, don’t get comfortable because when we get an NBA team again we’re going to kick your butts just like we used to do in the Payton-Kemp days…oh, and most of the years afterwards. Not being called a cow-pie town and having to settle it on the court is one of the biggest losses of this whole affair.

I don’t want to just like Seattle. I want to like it and hate it at the same time. And I can’t really anymore…not without going to ludicrous extremes. That would be the point.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 13, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh Dave I'm sorry, you weren't ever going to get anything like that.

Such a counterattack would only happen between peers. We are not Seattle’s peer. We’re hardly one of their piers. Portland is a small place with delusions of grandeur. While Seattle has practically dragged America into modernity with the likes of Boeing and Microsoft, we are forced to remind people that Matt Groening went to high school in Portland BEFORE he went to college in Olympia. As bands go, Everclear doesn’t hold a candle to Nirvanna, and besides, Art Alexakis is actually from California. We’re like Seattle’s little brother, acting out in a vain attempt to get some kind of attention in return.

Nobody in Seattle can drop bombs like that on us because none of them know enough about Portland to come up with any decent zingers. We are beneath their notice. There is no Portland/Seattle rivalry. Never was. We aren’t big enough to deserve that level of attention.

by conspirator5 on Sep 13, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't let us stop you...

from taking risks with your writing (not that this was some huge risk). We’re still just a little jumpy and defensive up here. The only thing that really caught me off guard is that I hadn’t seen you play this role.

I never really had the hatred for the Blazers when I was a Sonics fan. It wasn’t because I viewed the Blazers or Portland as inferior; I just sort of enjoyed watching Clyde and crew play. I know that people on both ends of this rivalry had (unfortunately I think you’re right and its no longer “have”) much stronger feelings. I just was never one of them.

I want to put points on your face.

by bonesbarry on Sep 14, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Way to go, Dave!

Personally, I loved what you wrote and how you wrote it. Satire is one of my favorite forms of writing and you did a great job with your post. I don’t care where you live. In fact, if you’re not a Pdx’er your comments should have all the more credibility. Pdx’ers and Seattlers knock each other all of the time, so one of “us” writing about one of “them” wouldn’t be all that novel. Satire does require a bit more intelligence and sophistication to be truly appreciated which obviously explains why you’re getting some crappy reviews.

I hope you write a sequel about Seattle. Maybe something along the lines of “Seattle deserves to get a major league baseball team”. Being a Yankee fan, there’s almost nothing I enjoy more than visiting Seattle every summer for the Yanks’ annual feeding frenzy up there. I used to get a lot of crap from Mariner fans, but now days they all seem so depressed that they can’t seem to muster much enough energy to harass me.

Count me in as one of those interested in how to get a B.E. shirt!

Gary

by kuhnsmith on Sep 14, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It must be depredssing

to write a great column,,,,, have a different way of expressing something most all of us can agree on…..and then get panned by people who just can’t come to grips with sarcasm….even when you ’splain it.

I loved your blub on the Space Needle. ;-)

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Sep 14, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

Most people got it. I didn’t mind those who didn’t and got riled. That goes with the territory. But there were a couple people like Bones who are genuinely good folks and were having questions. So a little explanation couldn’t hurt.

Space Needle not actually reaching into space. Such a disappointment.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a big fan of Seattle...

The city or the team (past tense). Sure, it has it’s charms. It has a beautiful location between water and mountains and there’s always something to do, but the bad out weighs the good…too many people and too overpriced. But the worse thing by far is the traffic. It doesn’t matter what time of day or what day it is, you will run into traffic. It’s enough to make one wonder how anyone in Seattle gets anywhere. And why is it that whenever I drive thru Seattle in either direction the express lane never goes in the direction I’m going in?? Never.

by jenstcy on Sep 14, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

LOL

I have learned people in Seattle get from point A to point B by planning for traffic hours ahead and checking the local news website for traffic reports…

But it has a lot of good things too, it’s nice. I prefer Portland, but oh well. I still enjoy ridiculing Seattle to my coworker, who ridicules Portland. He ridicules moscow on the willamette, green water, exorbitant taxes and horrible city planning. I remind him, speaking of horrible city planning, about the roads up here which are literally ALWAYS under construction and are just, in general, horrible. On I5 south between Seattle and Tacoma, my car was bouncing so bad that a diet coke literally jumped out of my cupholder. He talks about the annoying bikers everywhere, I talk about how Seattle is much harder to ride a bike in, and there’s no bikers anywhere. He crowns Seattle the coffee capital of the world, I point out that even the coffee fanatics in SEATTLE prefer Stumptown to any Seattle coffee.

 It’s in good fun, like I think this post is supposed to be. Sort of like a “roast” in comedy.

I thought the post was well done Dave.

by TimG on Sep 14, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of bicyclists...

I did see a bicyclist in Seattle…once. He was on the corner of a busy intersection in downtown and was on the ground bleeding from the head while everyone walked passed him. I pretty much made up my mind then that I would never bike in Seattle. But I have to admit that is one thing I hate about Portland….hippy bicyclists thinking they own the road.

by jenstcy on Sep 14, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I think I’ve hit it right for the Express Lanes exactly ONCE!

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Sep 14, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's once more than me...

I drove thru last weekend and I was stuck on I5 south going 5 miles an hour while I5 north zoomed on by with no traffic at all. I don’t understand…..someone needs to explain the concept of an express lane to me when they only open it to the direction with the lightest traffic (at least that’s what it seems like).

by jenstcy on Sep 14, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

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