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The Journey of Andre Miller, Point Guard (part 1)

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I slammed out a couple quickie biographies last month for the SBN Laker blog, Silver Screen & Roll on a couple of their players in the news — Ron Artest  and Lamar Odom.† They're both grizzled NBA vets who have been around the block a couple times and there was no shortage of stuff on the internets to blend into a biographical cocktail.

With the acquisition of Philadelphia 76ers unrestricted free agent Andre Miller by Kevin Pritchard and the Portland Trail Blazers, the wheels started spinning. "I should do a quickie bio on him, too," I thought. I mean, how hard could it be? The guy's been in the league since being drafted #8 overall prior to the 1999-2000 season. That's a full decade! There simply had to be an equally copious field of digital Andre Miller wheat to cut, thresh, and winnow.

It took me ten minutes playing with Google to disabuse myself of this notion. Somehow the well known millionaire professional basketball star Andre Miller — lottery pick, former NBA Assist leader, borderline All Star — had managed to fly under the radar. Reserved off the court, keeping his own council, André Miller has largely managed to elude the clutching and grabbing "gimme the story now now now" of the mass media. 

Andre has always been reclusive with regards to his media, speaking little about his background and off the court life. In the view of his mother, Andrea Robinson-Haralson, this personal reticence is part of a long family tradition: "He got it from my Mom and my Mom got it from her Dad. He didn't get it from me, he got it from his Great Grandfather."‡

Sussing out more than the barest biographical details of Andre Miller's life is no simple task. Here's how one sportswriter phrased the problem a little over a year ago:

After the Sixers Game 6 season ending loss to Detroit, I mentioned my dream of writing his story. Andre reluctantly spoke — focused but respectful eyes never leaving the TV screen adjacent to his locker — "Everything has been said about me."

Most of the stories read:

Kid gets out of rough neighborhood, coach takes chance on Prop 48 student, Mom is biggest supporter.

Less frequently:

Andre is the only Prop 48 student to graduate within 4 years. He majored in criminology and sociology.

And yet, what do we know about the inner Andre?

The player known for his hardcore silence is not going to let you in unless you speak the game. He will then open up just enough to give a sound description of his love for the rock.‡

Wow, and that's a professional that actually worked at this subject. Yikes.

Putting the pieces of Andre Miller's life together takes a lot of time and absolute commitment to the task at hand. That reality is somehow fitting, as you will see.

"Everything has been said about me," says he? Yes, maybe it has. A snippet here, a tidbit there, and then finally there emerges from the ether a really solid feature story or two. Chop and assemble and fill in the blanks... I've tried to arrange the fragments in a pattern, much like a mosaic. This is what I've learned...

Click on through to continue....

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Early years.

Andre Lloyd Miller was born on March 19, 1976, in Los Angeles, California. His hometown was actually Compton, a bleak section of the concrete south of downtown.◊ Originally incorporated in 1889, Compton was swallowed by the melanoma-like expansion of Los Angeles, now existing as an "inner suburb" of the city that is part of "South Central LA."

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South Central is not a pretty place or a nice one. With its high unemployment, widespread poverty, and pervasive street crime, Compton has a reputation of being one of the most dangerous cities in the United States — ground zero of the wars of the Bloods, Crips, and various Mexican gangs.§

One thing should be noted. Andre Miller was absolutely not a product of the troubled inner city public school system. His mother enrolled him from kindergarten in private schools, stressing the importance of academics in addition to athletics.¥

During his childhood, Andre's family suffered tragedy when his younger brother Duane became sick with viral encephalitis, an illness which ultimately took his life.¢± The experience proved important in the shaping of Andre's personality by changing the dynamics of the home in which he grew up. Andre later recalled that after his brother's death "my Mom became a little bit more protective as far as the things that I did — running around the streets. That's kind of deep, I guess. There was so much stuff going on around that time. I had to grow up early."¢ An extremely involved mother has been one of the foundation stones upon which Andre's life was built.

Miller attended Verbum Dei High School, a private school in Watts (just north of Compton), founded by the priestly order the Society of the Divine Word and operated by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles. The 4 year college-preparatory school was established in 1962 as part of the church's professed mission to serve the black and hispanic community of the inner city. Students of any faith or religious denomination may attend Verbum Dei (Latin for "Word of God"), although the school does conduct a Catholic curriculum.∆

Why did Andre choose Verbum Dei? Academics, plain and simple, according to him. "I only thought about making the NBA recently," the former California 4A Player of the year modestly claimed in 1998.Ω 

I suppose that such late aspirations to The Big Show are possible, no matter how unlikely those words may ring more than a decade later. Entering high school, young Andre was no childhood athletic prodigy. A newspaper reporter later described the freshman lacing them up for Verbum Dei as a "chubby, slow-footed, undersized shooting guard."Ω 

"Andre didn't have a parent pointing him toward an NBA career before he could start his college career," attests David Benezra, executive director of the Los Angeles Rockfish, a summer league team that Miller played with in high school. "His mother kept things in perspective. All of the guys who have played for us and gone on to the NBA had the same thing. So many parents now are putting the focus on the big dollars and on the NBA that their kids never become good college players — or good students for that matter."Ω 

One of Miller's summer league coaches, Mark Mayemura, reiterated the point that Andre's focus was a little different than that of many star jocks. "Los Angeles is the hotbed for talent," he said. "A lot of kids that were more hyped than Andre got more attention. He was not a product of hype. He did not play on all the summer league teams and get a lot of press. He did not develop as early as some, but his game has always been about improving."Ω

Andre's mother instilled foremost emphasis upon school work and helping out around the house. Basketball was an auxiliary to real life in her household. Andre's coach at Verbum Dei, Mike Kearney, recalled the way that Andre used to scurry into practice late, work boots on his feet with blades of grass still stuck to his clothes. 

"Arriving late for practice was not allowed, but I could not bring myself to punish him after doing all that yardwork," Kearney remembered.Ω 

Kearney moved Miller to the varsity team during his Sophomore year. On the day of his promotion there was a knock on the door. Andre's mom had come to school to find her son. "Practice ran a little long that day," Kearney remembered. "She wanted to know why Andre wasn't home. He had chores to do."Ω 

Despite the definite priorities which Andrea Robinson instilled in her son, she was 100% committed to his success on the hardwood as well. She paced the sidelines during her son's games, shouting encouragement to her boy and the team. Later, when her son was in college, she did her best to attend games, once riding a bus for 29 hours from Los Angeles to Dallas and back, arriving in Compton at 4 am — just in time to get ready for work that day.Ω 

His mother's values rubbed off on Andre. Through practice and hard work, Andre developed the set of skills which made him a very highly touted High School star by his Senior year, a season in which he averaged 24 points per game and 7 rebounds. Miller won the 1994 Wooden Award as the MVP of the California Interscholastic Federation's Southern Section, as well as being named CIF Division 4A Player of the Year.

The world was his oyster. What could possibly go wrong?


Collegiate Career.

Andre Miller's life went off the tracks a little when he took the American College Testing exam — the standardized examination needed for college admissions.

In 1983, the NCAA passed "Proposition 48," a set of academic admission requirements for all athletes entering its members schools. Athletes henceforth needed to attain a minumum ACT score of 17 to gain college admission, in addition to a minimum GPA of at least 2.0 in 11 core high school courses.√ Andre's score was south of the border. The 1994-95 season would be a zero for Andre, he would have to sit out one full year before becoming eligible to compete in athletics. He would have to prove himself in the classroom before he could play. The scholarship offers — and Andre's options — evaporated.

At least one school still wanted him, however. University of Utah Assistant Coach Donny Daniels was a fellow graduate of Verbum Dei, the school at which Miller was an honor roll student, star hoopster, and starting football quarterback.Ω  He knew Andre's game well and badly wanted to see him in the Utah Utes' red.

Daniels managed to make the sale to Head Coach Rick Majerus — Utah would maintain its scholarship offer to Andre Miller, investing one of its precious slots in him despite his inability to participate immediately. Although a couple of the smaller schools in the California state system were probably also options, the kid from South Central LA chose to get away and he packed his bags for Salt Lake City. Religion played no part in this decision, it should be noted, since Andre is not Mormon.‡ The University of Utah was the program that still cared. It was that simple.

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Andre's mother Andrea was fully on board with her son's double-heaping-wheelbarrow of self-inflicted culture shock. "I know there's not a whole lot of blacks there. I don't have a problem with that," she said. "There's only one race, and that's the human race. That's what I've always shared with Andre."◊

As for Andre, if he had any notion of shuffling the deck of his life by moving to Salt Lake City, he got a new deal all right. He was homesick and lonely and college coursework was hard.¢

"It was a culture shock going out there," he recounted in 2008. "I'd never went to school with a white kid until I got to college. It was also a fun experience. I made some friends that are white. We all had fun and I wouldn't change that experience for nothing."¢

Miller set to work in the classroom, needing to prove to himself and the world his ability to compete and excel in the intellectual sphere. Andre struggled academically during his first year of school despite the luxury of having free time away from the team. Still, he stuck with his studies and made wise use of Utah's tutoring and special academic services.

According to Utah Center Mike Doleac, Miller's Freshman year roommate who became a good friend, his mother was on the phone with Andre every day to make sure that he had done his homework.

"He worked hard," Doleac recalled. "Not because he was afraid of her, but because all he wants to do is please her. But there's no doubt who runs the show there. We used to tease him a little. Like when he grew his hair out and then she'd visit. The next day the guys noticed he got a haircut."Ω

Andre improved his game in the classroom through hard work and extra effort. He attended summer school each of four straight years, class time which helped him to graduate on schedule in 4 years with a 2.8 grade point average and a Bachelor of Science degree in Sociology.¢¥

On the court, the 1995-96 campaign, Miller's Freshman season, proved to be a learning experience as well. Andre's performance was modest, with the man who wore jersey #24 averaging 8.6 points per game and about 4.6 assists in an average of about 25 and a half minutes of game action.

Things were but a little better in 1996-97, Miller's Sophomore year. His playing time crept up to nearly 30 minutes per game, but his points remained relatively steady at 9.8. His assist rate did improve fairly dramatically, however, with Andre accumulating an average of 6.1 per contest — a total which he never again equalled during his collegiate career.

The Junior year proved to be Miller's breakout season. During the 1997-98 season, Andre Miller upped his average scoring output to 14. 2 points per game in over 31 minutes, leading the Utes all the way to the NCAA Championship round. 

A decade later, Miller still remembered the 1997-98 Utah team as the watershed of his career. "I can picture running out in that San Antonio Dome," he recalled. "Picture all the red. All the North Carolina fans. All the Kentucky fans. Nobody really knew who Utah was. We'd never been to that stage in previous years. How many players in the [NBA] can say they made it to the Championship round? I'm grateful I had that opportunity to play in that big environment, the biggest stage at the highest level of college basketball."ß

Miller lauded the basketball IQ of his Utah teammates. "That was probably the smartest group of guys as far as my basketball career," he recalled. "They understood basketball. Preparation. How to play basketball the right way. Pass to the open man. Move without the ball. All the small things that make a team go. We didn't have the greatest players, the most athletic players. But what we lacked in that we made up for in smarts."ß

Miller-story6_mediumMiller was clearly regarded as a top professional prospect by this time, with his coach Rick Majerus considering him the second best point guard in the country, behind Arizona's Mike Bibby.◊ USA Basketball selected him to the national team, a group which won a gold medal at the 1998 Goodwill Games in New York.¶

While the Utes were nowhere near as successful during Miller's Senior season, 1998-99, Andre nevertheless put up handsome numbers, scoring 15.8 points per game, while dishing out more than 5 assists and garnering more than 5 rebounds per contest. He also continued to play solid defense, racking up a very impressive 2.5 steals per game in an average of over 33 minutes.£

Miller seems to have had no regrets whatsoever about his choice of schools. As an NBA veteran he reflected that Utah coach Rick Majerus was "one of the best coaches on any level as far as teaching how to play basketball."

"I learned how to be an all around basketball player [with Majerus at Utah]," Miller declared, "just how to become a natural Point Guard and make good decisions. I always had the knack street-wise. It's easy to pick up a ball, dribble and put the ball in the basket, but you have to be able to think the game and know how to teach the game. I picked up all that."¢

Nor did his coach have any regrets about having invested the time and effort in #24. "I would play him every minute of the game if I could," Rick Majerus said. "He understands the game so well. He's the best Point Guard I have ever coached."Ω

Andre's mother made it unanimous, similarly approving of his choice of schools. In 2008 she declared herself to be "very, very happy" with her son's time spent at Utah. "There [were] a lot of people concerned about [his] education — and him as a person — [rather] than just him as a basketball player," she said.¢

Andre Miller finished his collegiate career as Utah's all-time leader in steals, with 254, as well as placing second on the school's all-time list for assists.¶ The Utes were an astonishing 114-20 during his years with the program.±

In 2006, Andre managed to express his gratitude to his alma mater in a more concrete form, pledging $500,000 to the University of Utah. Of this sum 60% was earmarked to endow the "Andre Miller Point Guard Scholarship," with the remainder targeted towards renovation of the basketball player team room.

"I am very fortunate to be in a position where I can give back and help others," Miller said at the time of his donation. "The University of Utah opened a lot of doors for me and hopefully this scholarship will do the same for someone else. I consider Utah to be the best university in the country, and I hope other former Ute athletes will follow in my footsteps."∂

 

The Rookie Contract: Cleveland and the Clips.

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Andre was a young stud coming out of college — not one of the 19 year old "one-and-doners" that populate the draft today, but rather a highly acclaimed, sure-thing prospect five years removed from high school. It wasn't a question of whether Miller was gonna go high in the NBA lottery, it was merely a matter of just how high and to whom.

At the time of the draft he was called by one scout "the most complete point guard in this draft, though Baron Davis is right there with him." 

The prescient analyst continued:

Miller is a floor leader with few peers. He is a cerebral player who runs the point as well as anyone, taking care of the basketball, involving teammates, knowing when to run and when to slow down the pace, and being a good penetrator. His outside shooting could still stand some improvement, but his shooting is passable. He is a great rebounder for a point guard, and is solid defensively.

Miller has also shown up to play during crunch time. In the 1998 NCAA Tournament, Miller was instrumental in leading Utah into the national championship game, including posting the only triple-double of the tournament.

Miller should be one of the first players taken, and one of the first two point guards. He should have a long and successful career in the NBA. ∫

Still, even given Andre's obvious NBA-readiness, the 1999 draft was thick with quality prospects. Joining Miller in making the leap to the NBA were eventual members of Your 2009-10 Los Angeles Lakers Lamar Odom and Ron Artest, Point Guards Steve Francis and Baron Davis, Small Forwards Shawn Marion, Andrei Kirilenko, Devean George, and Wally Szczerbiak, Shooting Guards Rip Hamilton, Cory Maggette, Manu Ginobili, and Jason Terry, as well as Center Jeff Foster and the man who went #1 overall — Elton Brand of Duke University.

The Western Athletic Conference star Andre Miller faired well enough in comparison with his peers of this stacked draft class, chosen by the Cleveland Cavaliers as the 8th pick overall. Miller was the third PG selected (following Maryland's Francis at #2 and UCLA's Davis at #3) as well the second Senior classman of the evening.π 

Andre came to Cleveland the subject of high expectations and he did not disappoint. He joined starter Brevin Knight and the diminuitive Earl Boykins as the third PG on the team's roster, beginning the year on the bench. But cream rose to the top. Miller worked hard and won substantial playing time, emerging as the starter by the end of the year.

Andre started 36 games as a rookie, impressively racking up 10 or more assists 10 times during his debut campaign in 1999-2000.¶ During his rookie season, the 6'2" Point Guard averaged 11.1 points and 5.8 assists in 25.5 minutes of game action.µ  Miller wound up being selected to the All-NBA Rookie First Team, a high honor given the illustrious company with whom he came into the league.¶

Miller was also a member of the NBA's Rookie All Star team. He scored a game-high 21 points in the contest but was booed by the crowd when he laid a ball in off the glass instead of dunking it.± Miller's game, marked by earth-based passing, mid-range jumpshots, drives to the rack, and a marked lack of high-flying athleticism didn't catch on with the fans until much later in his career.

The Cleveland Cavaliers at the turn of the century was no dynasty. When your leading scorer is Shawn Kemp, you know there are going to be issues with your team. Former Clipper lottery pick (another red flag!) Lamond Murray and Bob Sura added scoring muscle, such as it was. Andre wound up being the 4th leading scorer on the team, a group which finished the season 32-50 and out of the playoffs again.

Miller's second season with the Cavs saw a shuffling of the deck. No more Shawn Kemp, saints be praised. Despite the addition of the muscle of Matt Harpring and a Very Large Lithuanian Man named Zydrunas Ilgauskas, the 2000-01 Cavs still managed to get red bellies from flopping.

On the face of it, the 2000-01 team had balance — 7 players finished in double figures that year, led by Andre with his averages of 15.8 points, 8.0 assists, and 4.4 rebounds in nearly 35 minutes of game action — but the team once again failed to jell against competition. Thirty wins, 52 losses, and back to the lottery again.ø

In 2001-02, Andre Miller quietly lead the NBA in Assists, racking up an average of 10.9 per game to go with his 16.5 points. An NBA star in Cleveland playing for the Cavaliers?!? Perish the thought! Despite his outstanding productivity, Andre was once again snubbed when the NBA All Star Team was selected.

Yet Miller's stellar performance had Cleveland Cavs GM Jim Paxson running scared. Andre's rookie contract was nearing it's end. With 3 years under his belt, Andre Miller would now be eligible for extension. It looked very much like the budding star would merit a $84 Million league maximum contract — a fearsome figure that the cash-strapped Cavs simply were not willing to pay. Miller's agent, Lon Babby, definitely wanted a max deal for his client and when it became clear that the Cavs were unwilling to drain their coffers on their young Point Guard, Babby requested a trade.

"We felt it would be in the best interests of everybody if the team tried to trade Andre," Babby told Sports Illustrated.Æ

Rather than face the likelihood of losing him as a Restricted Free Agent to a team with more ability to throw cash after the 2002-03 season, Paxson set about shipping Andre Miller out for a cost-effective youngster with significant upside.

Miller-story3_mediumOn July 30, 2002, Andre Miller was traded along with the unfortunately named Bryant "Filler" Stith to the Los Angeles Clippers for a talented 20-year old Small Forward famed Darius Miles and Forward Harold "Filler" Jamison. The 20-year old Miles, a former #3 overall pick of the NBA draft, had been the sixth man off the deep Los Angeles bench.

Clippers GM Elgin Baylor was ecstatic about his new acquisition. 

"We feel that with a player of Andre's quality that not only will we get to the level we've talked about in the playoffs, but we feel that we can advance," Baylor declared. "That's our goal. We felt if we stayed the same, we'd probably get to the playoffs. But now we feel we're going to go further in the playoffs."≤

"Darius is a player who is potentially a very talented player — but potentially," Baylor continued. "[Miller] is a proven player. Darius was a reserve. We gave up a reserve that was not a starting player for a player of this stature. Again, it's up to the coaching staff. But Darius didn't start last year. He wouldn't start this year. He would have been a nonstarter. So I just think this is a tremendous deal for us. We took their best player — I don't think they got our best player."≤

Baylor's plan was to work out a deal with Andre for an extension — for some reasonable amount. There was time to work that out, Andre's deal still had one more year to run.

Miller joined an absolutely stacked young Clipper lineup which included All Star PF Elton Brand, Center Michael Olowokandi, Wings Quentin Richardson and Corey Maggette, and the versatile Lamar Odom. The previous season's PG for the Clips had been Jeff McInnis, an Unrestricted Free Agent that the Clippers had chosen not to pursue. They didn't need him now that they had Andre Miller. McInnis soon landed a seat at the table of Bob Whitsett's Blazers. Yippee skippy.

Despite the perennial badness of the Clippers, a product of an owner's desire to keep payroll to a bare minimum so that he could milk the cow (total payroll for the Clips was just $35 Million in 2001-02), hopes were high for 2002-03 campaign. The lottery pick players had begun to accumulate.

"On paper we're as talented as any team," declared General Manager Baylor. "Andre was the one piece we were missing."Æ

Andre concurred with his boss that the Clippers were close to making the playoffs at last. Miller declared: "We have a lot of talent, and we'll be able to do something with it — if we can learn to play with each other without all the talk about whose contract is up." He observed that his new team was "very athletic" but (as he diplomatically phrased it) "sometimes kind of loose."Æ

"I'm just going to try to bring a hard-work mentality. If I lead by example rather than by running my mouth, I'll get respect," Miller optimistically asserted.Æ

The same summer that he came home to Los Angeles,  Andre Miller was once again called into action on behalf of the US National Team when he participated in the FIBA World Championship, held in Indianapolis. Andre joined his new Clipper teammate Elton Brand on the squad, along with such established NBA names as Reggie Miller, Paul Pierce, Ben Wallace, Shawn Marion, and Jermaine O'Neal. The Americans failed to live up to the hype, falling to Argentina, Yugoslavia, and Spain, and finished in 5th place in the 11-day tournament.@

If the 5th place finish of the Americans in the 2002 FIBA Championship was a disappointment, the 7th place finish of the ultra-athletic 2002-03 Los Angeles Clippers in the Pacific Division of the Western Conference was an unmitigated catastrophe. The team led by Point Guard Andre Miller, upon which so much hope had been placed by GM Elgin Baylor, finished with a record of 27 wins and 55 losses — out of the money again. Way out of the money again. Way, way out of the money again. Only the dung-encrusted Denver Nuggets and their horrific record of 17-65 were worse in the West.

Andre's numbers were down across the board. His average scoring fell from 16.5 to 13.6 points per game, assists plummeted from a league-high 10.9 to a highly mortal 6.7, and rebounds dipped from 4.7 to 4.0. Decent numbers, maybe, but nothing sensational and the team had been crap. Now this guy's rookie contract was up and he wanted to be paid. Check that: he wanted to be paid a ton.

Restricted Free Agent Andre Miller was free to solicit offers and to sign an offer sheet, but the cash-conscious Clips already knew what their answer was probably going to be. Confirmation would come quickly.

 

END OF PART 1. 

Well, the SBN software is maxxed out and so is your patience, I'm sure. Pop by tomorrow for the rest of the story!

 

 

Footnotes:

†— [Tim Davenport]: A Ron Artest Review — The Soap Opera So Far," Silver Screen and Roll, http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2009/7/4/937998/a-ron-artest-review-the-soap-opera, July 4, 2009; "Lamar Odom: From Mean Streets sans Mean Streak," Silver Screen and Roll,  http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2009/7/30/938664/lamar-odom-from-mean-streets-sans, July 30, 2009.

‡— Michael Tillery, "Andre Miller: The Reticent Alchemist," The Starting Five,  http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/13/andre-miller-the-reticent-alchemist/, 2008.

◊— Albert Lin, "Athlete of the Day Profile: Andre Miller, Utah," CNNSI, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/events/1998/tournament/men/spotlight/miller.html, March 20, 2008.

¢— Michael Tillery, "Forgot About Dre: Interview with Andre Miller," The Starting Five, http://thestartingfive.net/2008/06/20/forgot-about-dre-interview-with-andre-miller/, June 20, 2008.

±— David Fleming, "A Point Well Taken: Fearless Rookie Andre Miller is the Cavaliers' Playmaker of the Future, Sports Illustrated, http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1018966/index.htm, April 17, 2000.

§— South Central LA's bad reputation was largely made through music, such as NWA's album Straight Outta Compton (1988), and by such films as Boyz N the Hood (1991), South Central (1992), Menace II Society (1993), along with the grim reality of the 1992 Los Angeles Riots. Despite a slow trend toward gentrification, the area still faces crime and violence rates greatly exceeding national averages. Wikipedia, "South Los Angeles," retrieved July 31, 2009. 

¥— Tom Moore, "Miller Old-School Model in Classroom, On Court," Philadelphia Intelligencer/PhillyBurbs.com, http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-04222008-1522825.html, April 22, 2008.

∆— Wikipedia, "Verbum Dei High School," retrieved July 31, 2009. 

Ω— Greg Sandoval, Miller Makes Grade, Los Angeles Times, http://articles.latimes.com/1998/mar/19/sports/sp-30645,  March 19, 1998.

√— These numbers have subsequently been revised several times. Julie Ann Grosshans, "Tougher NCAA Rules Force USU Athletes to Hit the Books Hard," Hard News Cafe, Utah State University Dept. of Journalism and Communication, http://newscafe.ansci.usu.edu/archive/june2002/0606_ncaa.html, June 6, 2002.

ß— Jon Marks, "Utah Utes Basketball: Andre Miller Fondly Remembers Trip to '98 Final Four," Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705291379/Former-Utah-star-fondly-remembers-trip-to-98-Final-Four.html, March 17, 2009.

¶— "Andre Miller Bio Page," NBA.com, http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_miller/bio.html

∂— "It's Miller Time Again," University of Utah Crimson Club, http://www.crimsonclub.utah.edu/ForeverUtes_Andre_Miller.htm, 2006.

∫— Phil Nation, "Andre Miller," 1999 NBA Mock Draft, http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1999_draft/Players/miller.html

£— For Andre Miller's college stats, see 1999 NBA Mock Draft, http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1999_draft/Players/miller.html

π— For a complete list of members of the 1999 draft class, see http://www.geocities.com/nbarookies/1999nbadraft.htm. The Blazers did not have a selection in the 1999 draft. Prize for worst pick of that night goes to the Toronto Raptors for their inspired selection of 6'11" high school swingman Jonathan Bender with the #5 choice. In his career Bender average a mere 5.6 points in just 237 NBA games. The guys who immediately followed him in the draft order — Szczerbiak, Hamilton, Miller, and Marion — did a little better.

µ— For career stats see: "Andre Miller," Basketball Reference.com, http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millean02.html

ø— I have found the following internet references helpful: What If Sports.com for rosters and advanced stats, for example: http://www.whatifsports.com/nba-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=5&season=2000-01 and the Spanish-language Basketpedya for quick statistical averages, for example: http://www.basketpedya.com/Acc003InfTeam.php?ideq=66&temporada=2001

Æ— Ian Thomsen, "New Kidd on the Block," Sports Illustrated, http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1026376/index.htm, Aug. 12, 2002.

@— "2002 FIBA World Championship," Wikipedia, retrieved Aug. 1, 2009.

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Timbo's on the front page?

The NBA: Where amazingly bad officiating happens, is encouraged, and rewarded.

by Dirty Socks on Aug 8, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Fascinating story,

and very nice piece of research, Timbo.
Thanks

by Berkeley on Aug 9, 2009 12:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Great great writeup Timbo

As great as anything out of ESPN.com or SI.

I remember Andre Miller’s career well, he looked like a rising star averaging 10 assists that year in Cleveland. Then he was traded to the Clips and he looked like a sure thing, a pure point with LA’s talent but curiously it didn’t work out. I’m starting to think 10apg might be overrated, Bibby got that in Vancouver than that evaporated in Sacramento.

Than Andre went to Denver and Philly and I kinda lost track of him. I always liked his game although until recently I had no idea how bad a shooter he was.

by neutroticblazerfan on Aug 9, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the nice words.

He was looking like a max-deal guy and then he and his agent pushed too hard and he wound up making lots of money, yes, but in obscurity.

Imagine Andre Miller + Lebron James with Big Z in Cleveland… Yikes!

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Andre would Cleveland had the first pick for LeBron?

It is a terrific read. Thanks for the treatise. I look forward to parts two and three.

by lee3022 on Aug 9, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

andre's reserved nature sounds like him and lamarcus could become good buddies.

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 9, 2009 12:55 AM PDT reply actions  

he and lamarcus*

i think that would be the correct grammar.

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 9, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

lamarcus is reserved?

ewwww. stars can’t be reserved. send me a link.

by mandoman10 on Aug 9, 2009 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

where did i say lamarcus was reserved?

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 9, 2009 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Random note:

did you know that center Michael Doleac’s father Phil Doleac is an orthodontist here?

Bet you didn’t.

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

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by dyshooter182 on Aug 9, 2009 12:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Now we know whose poster Greg Oden had on the wall when he was a kid...

I was doing a little scouting around Google trying to see if there are enough bits and pieces to do a piece on Joel Przybilla last night after I put Andre to bed and learned for the first time that Doleac played in the NBA…

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by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

he went to central catholic

Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!

by CroRupt on Aug 9, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

APOLLOS!

Although I dated a girl from Central Catholic (not Doleac in drag. I think).

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Aug 9, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey! Same here!

I graduated back in June!

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by austinpwnz on Aug 9, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, he was my orthodontist.

optimism ftw

by Cablinasian on Aug 9, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Strong did an interview with Doleac a few weeks agp

Here’s the link to the archived mp3

http://www.955thegame.com/Personalities/StrongatNight/tabid/153/Default.aspx

SAN_07-28-09.mp3

Doleac talks about Miller (Andre was his freshman roomate, IIRC) and their time at Utah

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Aug 9, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

“Short bio”, indeed.
Very interesting – not really earth-shattering, though, and Andre’s obviously played his cards very close to his chest i.r.t. his upbringing. Must’ve been hard to even find this. …
Hopefully I’ll remember to drop by and read part 2, this one was worth it. :D

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by Prevenge on Aug 9, 2009 1:14 AM PDT reply actions  

This is good stuff.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Aug 9, 2009 1:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Ummm...Timbo,

this was awesome. Great job. +1.

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by GonzoFan on Aug 9, 2009 1:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Very interesting. This one quote stuck with me.
Miller lauded the basketball IQ of his Utah teammates. “That was probably the smartest group of guys as far as my basketball career,” he recalled. “They understood basketball. Preparation. How to play basketball the right way. Pass to the open man. Move without the ball. All the small things that make a team go. We didn’t have the greatest players, the most athletic players. But what we lacked in that we made up for in smarts.”

I would say the current Blazers have a good combination of athleticism and smarts. They might even be the most athletic group (maybe not individually a la Andre Iguodala, but as a combination with with Roy, LaMarcus, Travis, Nicolas, Jerryd, Rudy, even Greg) and the best “play the game the right way” group (e.g. Roy, Rudy, Steve, Nic are very cerebral players). That looks like a very interesting combo.

One more anecdote that timbo doesn’t seem to mention (unless it’s his intro to part II, in that case sorry): Andre absolutely disliked the Clippers organization when he went back to LA, and maybe some of his fellow teammates. At that time ESPN columnist Bill Simmons was a writer for Jimmy Kimmel in LA, and they approached Andre about hosting or at least appearing in a segment about the Clippers and their rides. Quentin Richardson eventually hosted the segment and did a very good job from an entertainment perspective praising his own car with spinners as the decisive feature (with Elton Brand, Cherokee Parks, Melvin Ely, Marko Jaric, Corey Maggette, Keyon Dooling), but you can see why Andre maybe wasn’t too happy to share the floor with those guys every night.

Summer 2002: The Clips break up Q and D-Miles – whose partnership doubled as the only happy thing to happen to the team in 10 years – by sending Miles to Cleveland for Andre Miller. Poor Andre hates being a Clipper so much that when we approach him that season to appear in a taped “Jimmy Kimmel Live” piece about his teammates’ cars, Miller hisses, “Man, I ain’t doing s—- for the Clippers!” and walks away. Open letter to Blake Griffin

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by Norsktroll on Aug 9, 2009 2:12 AM PDT reply actions  

that team was up and coming and i watched it fall apart.

i would put the blame more on andre’s incoming bad attitutude about not wanting to be there than the team turning him into evil. that was really sad to see him destroy that promising team.

by mandoman10 on Aug 9, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He pretty obviously didn't want to be there, but he destroyed that team? It rather looks like the previous year was a fluke

The team finished 6th in the Pacific Division in 2000-01 (31-51). Then 5th in the Pacific Division the following (39-43), their best season. With Miller they finished 7th (27-55). When he left, they again finished 7th (28-54).

I would rather say in the year they finished 5th Michael Olowokandi had his career year, with 885 points and 711 boards starting almost every game. The next year 2002-03 with Miller he played in less than half that (36), with the results being accordingly. Elton Brand also only played 62 games that season. And Odom 49. Pretty weak front court. So Sean Rooks (70 games, 38 starting) and Wang Zhizhi saw major minutes. Young athletic players Corey Maggette and Quentin Richardson also missed over 15 games each. Injury bug maybe?

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by Norsktroll on Aug 9, 2009 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

ya lots of injuries. the way i remember it was...

fun happy team, then andre miller, then bad attitutude, then team loses fundom, then team starts losing, then team gives up, and finally lots of injuries start creeping up.

you know how bad teams do when the season gets pointless.

by mandoman10 on Aug 10, 2009 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is he good/bad enough to have that sort of impact?

I mean, that Clippers team was a fun cult favorite, but even with all of those young and talented guys in their prime, they wouldn’t be a very good team.

If he didn’t want to be a Clipper and was a sourpuss all season, that certainly doesn’t help and probably hurts the team, but I can’t see it destroying the team all on his lonesome.

Morty

by Mortimer on Aug 9, 2009 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

they were a cult favorite for sure. hella fun. me and my friends loved that team to death.

not gonna compete at all in playoffs. it was just that all the players at the time had all this potential 1 like 8 and miller was supposed to be that missing piece vet that was gonna take em to legitimacy. keep in mind at the time he had avg like 10+ assists recently. it was a big deal to us then at least.

so when he didn’t want to be there it killed all the fun. darius was gone… who was a big part of that… so that contributed.

by mandoman10 on Aug 10, 2009 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

the other thing was that he was a in a contract year as i remember.

you know the whole lame duck destruction type thing that lebron is may or maynot face this year.

by mandoman10 on Aug 10, 2009 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Can’t wait for part two. Nice work, Timbobob.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 9, 2009 2:31 AM PDT reply actions  

perhaps its gonna be in part two...

but i followed the clippers closely that year and the hope was to be serious contenders. It was clear to most clipper fans at the time that the season went down the drain cause andre miller’s bad attitutude.

the explanation used was that he didn’t want to be there and thats why he got traded. that was really hard to see cause we really needed an assist man at the front and he just killed that team. i would say he really ended the clippers young rise at the millinium turn. he killed THAT young team.

by mandoman10 on Aug 9, 2009 2:40 AM PDT reply actions  

This is a take I didn't run into when I was reading up... I don't doubt the take, I just didn't know about it...

Miller couldn’t have KILLED the team since their “glory days,” such as they were, came just a couple years later.

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by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

its just the way my and my small group of friends remember the season...

the team had all this fun hype to them with lots of players with serious potential that we all thought they were gonan be all-stars and stuff.

miller was gonna be that vet who had just recently avg 10+ assists that we all thought was gonna take them over the top (as the baylor quote kind of hinted at). When he came in on a contract year and clearly didn’t want to be there it took the fun out of the team cause darius was well liked by qrich and all those folks. everyone started getting injured all randomly when the season got pointless.

they went form up and coming super fun team with lots of potential to talk about in one year to team that kind of had all these problem players on it. in like a split second. it was sad to see.

by mandoman10 on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

More inside info please

The team seemed to have its share of injuries — Brand lost 20 games, Maggette lost 18, Odom lost 33, Piatkowski lost 20, QRich lost 23, CandyMan lost 46. [Even Wang ZhiZhi even got the only start of his career.] That is a lot of injuries. Also, it does not include playing at less than 100% on return from injuries, and disruption to line-up cohesion. Was the team supposed to be that good to have overcome all those injuries?

The expectations must have been really high because Gentry got fired mid way through the season, but then again, its the Clippers. So you can never tell the real reason of coach firing.

[PS: only asking about expectations for the season, and not about Andre being traded away. Just about everyone seems to gets traded away from the Clippers. Baron Davis seems to be the first player that wanted to actually go TO the clippers].

by FromAfar on Aug 9, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

ya there were big expectations cause they were super fun team with players who like had all this youth and limitless potential...

then the team season got pointeless. coach gets fired… and injuries start creeping up. i think LO may have been injured early. i can’t remember.

by mandoman10 on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alllllllllllllllllllllright, who stole timbo's login credentials?

No L*ker fan can write something this good. Has to be an imposter.

by prezofdeath on Aug 9, 2009 2:45 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Great read, I can't wait for part two

It sounds like Miller has been waiting to be on a team as smart and unselfish as his college Utah team. The Blazers are that team.

by richarda97 on Aug 9, 2009 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

rec

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by jscot on Aug 9, 2009 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is probably a rhetorical question...

but how can someone be an honor student and not be able to manage minimum ACT requirements?

Very good read, Timbo.

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by -ken on Aug 9, 2009 4:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I saw that

And struggled at Utah his first year, too. Honor student? Hmm.

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by jscot on Aug 9, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some high schools give more than a E for Extra Effort, obviously.

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by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm remembering wrong

but I didn’t remember Verbum Dei as being known for being that kind of school. Seems like their reputation used to be pretty good — when I saw Verbum Dei, I thought, “Decent education, the kind of place a mom would want her kid.”

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by jscot on Aug 9, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

No clue

Just seemed weird he was an honor student there and yet struggled to make it at Utah (at least at first). Makes you wonder if he got elevated grades for being an athlete — happens at some high schools, but you wouldn’t expect it at Verbum Dei, from what I remembered from a long time ago.

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by jscot on Aug 9, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

California schools have a sad tradition now

of promoting students for political or politically correct reasons, regardless of their academic achievement. Miller’s GPA doesn’t suggest that he was academically gifted or motivated to excell. He may well have received grades he did not deserve because he was an athlete. It could also have been because he was black, which could have been important to a virtually all-white school like Utah trying to meet official or off-the-record-but-real enrollment quotas and attract more black students and athletes.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 9, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Verbum Dei gives higher grades because guys are black

since it used to be overwhelmingly black, probably some Hispanics. I am sure what you describe happens sometimes, but I doubt it happened for those reasons at that school. We’re talking Compton. It isn’t East St. Louis, exactly, but it’s not that far off of it.

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by jscot on Aug 9, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

School educators and administrators get paid for results.

I’m not picking on Verbum Dei, and it is not just black students who benefit from being promoted when they have not met achievement standards.

My comment about Miller possibly benefitting because of his skin color pertained to his time at Utah, not Verbum Dei. Even so, Blazin’s right, why go there?

by MiledAnimal on Aug 9, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

why go there?

when the explanation that he worked hard, and had good character despite some innate academic limitations serves well.

by Blazin' on Aug 9, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just upset because I know someone who works in Special Ed

and you would be shocked at the enormous amount of taxpayer-funded resources provided to these kids. They get free transportation to and from school; special privileges and attention, including one-on-one instructional aides who even perform and submit work and tests for Special Ed students; and pressure from Special Ed parents, administrators, and the federal government to promote Special Ed children grade-by-grade despite the fact that funding for programs and resources for mainstream kids are being sucked dry.

Doesn’t it seem a far better use of scarce resources to put those resources where they will do the most good? Should they not be allocated to those students who will become the next generation of gifted scientists, businessmen, engineers, writers, musicians, and artists, instead of to Special Ed children, the vast majority of whom will never even be able to hold-down a part-time job as a Wal-Mart greeter?

As for Miller, you’re right, I had no reason to go there. There could be all kinds of reasons why he did not get a better ACT score or college GPA, none of which pertain to his ability to play basketball. I’m happy he’s a Blazer. I’m hoping to be even happier once he adjusts to his new teammates.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 9, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hear ya

we have so many problems in this society, where does one even start!? I, for one cannot wait for the day when someone gets appointed to the supreme court and is applauded for their achievement, not their ethnicity.

We are living in the wake of the most selfish generation, the Baby Boomers and their lawyer driven social agenda. Lacking all self examination and sacrifice, they instilled an ethos of “everyone should get theirs.” These identity politics, along with the unfettered greed engendered by Ronald Reagan, and embraced by these same Boomers, have left our social fabric a complete mess. To a point where there is no civil society in america, just a collection of special interests. You see it very clearly in the discussion on health care.

There is no way out of this now. When the toxic boomers are gone, and we are bankrupt, we will be able to begin picking up the pieces.

by Blazin' on Aug 9, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah! Let's round up all the

“toxic boomers”, those people between 45 and 65, and just euthanize them and use them for fertilizer. While we’re at it, just to make sure we get rid of that whole mindset, lets rub out everyone between 35 and 75. That should do it. Then the true altruism and wisdom of the human race between the ages of 0-35 can shine and the world will be a better place. Those above 75, just stick em in an institution somewhere and use them as test subjects in experiments looking into longevity, plastic surgery and corrective surgery for those who deform their feet by wearing 4" heels.

"Aneurysm".

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by annthefan on Aug 9, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

too late

30 years ago, that might have been a good idea. We are stuck with their legacy now.

by Blazin' on Aug 9, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love how you paint an entire generation with one brush.

Flagged. - Elgin

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by 22baylor on Aug 9, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're right elgin.

I get a carried away sometimes with politics. I apologize if I offended. I would never judge an individual based on these broader tendencies. But I must remember the individual when making such sweeping comments.

by Blazin' on Aug 11, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for reeling that stuff in sir.

I need to curb my own tendencies at times. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Aug 12, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was a great statement

Remember the individual when making statements. I’ll remember that way of putting it.

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by jscot on Aug 14, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take it under consideration

Thanks for the advice, as always.

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by jscot on Aug 10, 2009 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Delighted to do my part,

oh my Dyspeptic Dynamic Despot.

"Aneurysm".

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by annthefan on Aug 10, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

By spending the money on Special Ed when they're kids

You save all the money you would pay later when they’re institutionalized for being unable to function in society.
Don’t forget that, as late as the early 1970s, “Special Ed” meant being put into a “classroom”- usually a basement, or storage area- for the day, with a glorified babysitter and no classwork done or life skills learned.

A society is judged by how it treats the least of its citizens.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Aug 9, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem, in my opinion, isn't paying for special ed

It’s that we spend 10 times as much on the least intelligent kids (special ed) than the most intelligent kids. Exceptionally smart kids are basically forced to conform, and in some cases aren’t even allowed to skip grades (even though experimentally that’s one of the best and easiest solutions).

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 9, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that it's a problem

But, instead of complaining about what someone else has, why not ask why normal students aren’t properly funded?

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Aug 9, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

"reverse racism" come on in!

man i hate that trope. it gets used so often for political ends, its becomeing the dominant way to legitamize half of our tax decisions over the past 30 yrs. california not paying property taxes from prop 13, letting public schools fail big time. now the budget can’t be balanced. meanwhile all the kids get blamed for either succeeding or failing.

california used to have an awesome public school system before the tax revolt.

by mandoman10 on Aug 10, 2009 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

You stating that you hate the reverse racism argument does not make it untrue.

Blaming Prop 13 for CA legislators not being able to suck even more money out of taxpayers and businesses, when the real culprit is their refusal to control their profligate spending, is a typical argument of the tax-and-spend crowd here and elsewhere.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 10, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

sigh.... reverse racism was just invented to moblize a particular voting base for political ends.

i guess the G.I. Bill that affected 8 out of 10 americans born in the 1920’s, spending 95 billion dollars between 1944 and 1971, and making up 15% of the federal budget by 1948 wasn’t giving out massive welfare payments from tax dollars. This payment was giving out to a most of the grandfathers of all the people complaining about reverse racism and not wanting to pay tax dollars.

i guess in america inhereting wealth, growing up in a good house subsidized with governement money, and setting up the next generation doesn’t help at all.

historically the u.s. government has done everything it can to set up particular groups and ensure their middle class status for generations to come. accumulated wealth got a massive tax pay out which was totally selective and given out.

i can easilly go into how whole subsets of people in our country were not allowed to take out this massive welfare role out and whose future generations were totally denied similiar boosts… workfare he were go!

by mandoman10 on Aug 10, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know something, Timbo?

I’m sorry I wrote this the way I did because it makes my compliment to you seem backhanded.

Nothing of the sort was meant. This is a very well researched and written piece. You deserve all the kudos you are getting.

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by -ken on Aug 9, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I completely understand the point... How can a person be an "honor student" (which Andre seems to have been, true fact) and still tube the ACTs???

I think that probably speaks a great deal to how crappy the educational situation is in South Central LA. Andre seems to have worked very hard and been rewarded for it, while at the same time not assimilating “testable information.”

To the best of my knowledge, the bit about him being an honor student is correct. That he tubed the ACTs is absolutely undeniable.

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by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rick Majerus said of Andre Miller (paraphrase) on 95.5 The Game that “He gave an A-effort for a C-average. We had two Academic All-Americans on the team and we gave Andre the team academic award.”

optimism ftw

by Cablinasian on Aug 9, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two things

First- maybe he doesn’t test well. I had many friends who were A+ work/ C+ test students. Maybe he took it a little further?

Second- there has been a lot of debate on whether those tests (especially in Andre’s era) are culturally biased, and much harder for inner-city students.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Aug 9, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those would be possible explanations

except that he apparently had to work really, really hard to make it academically at Utah. So it sounds like the test actually measured his preparation for college pretty well — he apparently wasn’t very well prepared — academically.

Clearly, he was prepared in other ways, and that’s why he succeeded. Good for him.

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by jscot on Aug 10, 2009 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I was looking at colleges

In the late 80’s, Utah had a reputation for being very tough. Add that to a completely different cultural vibe and I can see why he struggled, aside the from preparation his High School gave him.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Aug 10, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, everyone is different

For me, I am willing to wager I had the worst high school GPA out of anyone here at Blazers Edge (out of people who actually graduated HS in 4 years), but because of my SAT scores I had no problem getting into colleges.

Once I got to college, I didn’t have any academic issues.

There are plenty of people I know who had straight-A’s but I wouldn’t trust them to go pick up milk at the grocery store. Some 4.0-ers don’t always test well either, for various reasons. That is probably a lot more common than someone like me, who got horrible grades but can take those tests in my sleep.

It sounds like he took his school work seriously, and worked to fix whatever problems he was saving. Sounds similar to Brandon Roy.

Morty

by Mortimer on Aug 10, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was kinda that way too

All the tests I took, I blew outta the water. I didn’t do very well in the classroom cause I liked to goof off….so I would listen to the lecture, never did the homework, and aced the tests for about a c average. My favorite class in HS was 20th Century Literature ….mainly cause I would read the book (Hemmingway, Fiztgerald , Faulkner or whoever) in a couple of days and then sleep for the remainder of the 2 weeks or so given to us to comeplete it. Then took the tests and got As and that was that…..best semester ever!! I passed three years of French and never did did one homework assignment

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by 92wastheyear on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, timbo

This was superb. As good as anything we get on the front page of Bedge, and that’s saying a lot.

Timbo on the front page? Anyone who can research and write a piece like that on one of our players deserves the front page, if they are willing to let their material be posted there.

Thanks for the effort on the research, and a really well-written piece.

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by jscot on Aug 9, 2009 5:49 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

You knocked it out of the park, big guy

thanks for all your hard work on this piece. How long did parts I and II take you to write combined?

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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 9, 2009 5:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I honestly don't know how long it took...

10-20 hours is a decent guess.

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by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very impressive!

Although any significant others and/or family members might be significantly less impressed than me. :)

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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 9, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

What was your inspiration?

This kind of effort reminds me of writing for my Master’s….takes motivation to conduct the research and put it all together. We take Ben and Dave’s writing for granted sometimes, but when “one of us” gets into the act, it helps bring back the perspective…BlazersEdge is a treat

by blacknoiseNW on Aug 9, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

well done - happy to read it, happy to rec it

 it take issue with this:

Miller’s second season with the Cavs saw a shuffling of the deck. No more Shawn Kemp, saints be praised.

which saints? he went to Portland

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Aug 9, 2009 5:58 AM PDT reply actions  

must've been his laker side mental slip there

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 9, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I didn't know he went from there to Portland. I missed about 3 good jokes there. Crap.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great read

I haven’t followed Andre’s career so this was good background. And it comes during the molasses August times when there is nothing to read that is of much interest. I’m waiting for part II. Thanks.

by Gaz on Aug 9, 2009 6:13 AM PDT reply actions  

great work!

I can’t wait to read part 2!

by twggyy on Aug 9, 2009 6:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Wonderful.

I didn’t want it to be over.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 9, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I did. I had to pee.

Well done, Timbo. I’m as proud of you as if I were Joe Kennedy.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 9, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Jerryd Bayless reads it and has an epiphany.

Thanks for the nice words, everyone, and thanks Dave for the space.

See ya tomorrow.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You ought to submit it to The Oregonian as a guest writer

Then again the Oregonian might be afraid of being swamped with mail demanding you as one of their beat writers.

by richarda97 on Aug 9, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice work

good stuff AND it comes with a bibliography… impressive… Timbo you earned an A as in blAYzers

Everything comes gradually and at its appointed hour--Ovid

by bow4meow on Aug 9, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

very, very nice read

not too long at all. great job.

blazers win more than 60 and lose in the wcf in ’10. miller is the piece that does it.

by rburg on Aug 9, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

timbo is a laker fan?

suck it front runner.

good story

by JRWriter on Aug 9, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

great read

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Aug 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Great Piece Timbo...

… but please, in Part II, cite sources.

Wondering what moves Pritchard would make to land me a date in the off-season. Preferably one with tickets.

by MikeIrish on Aug 9, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I laughed at this. Good one.

There's always money in the banana stand!
Now accessible for R rated comments at thetinfoil@gmail.com

by TheTinfoil on Aug 9, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

rec

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Aug 9, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice Job Timbo

excellent work. Wanna work for the Oregonian? Thats better than anything that Clown or Quick has ever written

by GreatOden'sRaven on Aug 9, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll be able to say

“I knew Timbo when he was just a commenter on some blog, and now look at him.”
Great article, Timbo. I hope Andre reads it. <3

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Aug 9, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow Timbo--

Thanks for the info: I was woefully unaware of any details about Mr. Miller. Looking forward to part 2.

Reno, Nevada is west of Los Angeles.

by RenoBlazerFan on Aug 9, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Great *article* Timbo

Cant wait for Part II. This was no mere submission to a blog, its a well researched, well written article. Are you a journalist by profession?

by FromAfar on Aug 9, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

you're my favorite Laker fan :)

Uhhhg, I cut my hair and I totally regret it!

by In Walks Rudy on Aug 9, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

thanks for the story

found info on andre hard to come by myself. good article.

but seriously…. YOUR los angeles lakers???

at least have the grace to axe that out of your blazers edge version. yuck.

http://basketballiluuminati.blogspot.com/

by blazersunited on Aug 9, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

tee hee.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 9, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Timbo!

You’re smart and talented. Who knew? ;)

by Blazin' on Aug 9, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow Timbo

You are getting some backhanded compliments today. Good job with this….could I hire ya to write my bio??

"I'm tired" -Me

by 92wastheyear on Aug 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Dude Seriously Sweet Post

Cant wait for the next part!

The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

by cavejunctionblazer on Aug 9, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Very good read, nice job.

This seriously should be featured over at O-Live. I’m sure there are tons of Blazers fans like me who previously didn’t have much info in Miller… who have developed a vested interest in him overnight and want to find out as much as possible. And seeing as how you’ve already discovered firsthand how hard it is to come across that info, your hard work is much appreciated. Five thumbs up.

by kdfloc on Aug 9, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

1 for the money, 2 for the show, 3 to get ready, 4 Timbo

I’m not sure why I said that, except for this was great

Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."

by Blazer1342 on Aug 9, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

nice

I may have to steal that line the next time Timbo posts something this cool (aka Part II).

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 9, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I sure thought we were going to have a winning Clippers squad

when I traded for him and got him from Cleveland. It broke my heart to give up Miles for him but I had to do better than Dooling or McInnis at point guard. I think he will make an excellent Blazer.

Great research Timbo! You are right, he does not like to talk about himself. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Aug 9, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

NBA Executive of the Year in 2006, fired in October of 2008.

A month later, Zach Randolph became a Clipper. I’ll bet you needed Pepto-Bismal when you heard that.

It figures they would get lucky in the draft.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 10, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

< shrugs >

It’s a lottery – someone had to win it. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Aug 12, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Captivating work. I look forward to part 2.

optimism ftw

by Cablinasian on Aug 9, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow!

Please replace Canzano or another of the Oregonian “media” people with this guy.

Great research, wonderfully balanced and captivating.

by LaoTzu on Aug 9, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Timbo, this is excellent.

Waiting for part II eagerly. That is all.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Aug 9, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent read, but I noticed one thing

That several player surrounding MIller in his pro days that were dogged upon became Blazers: Kemp, McGinnis, and Miles. It seems like Blazer management has been circling this guys career but only no w found the target with Miller.

by NWfan on Aug 10, 2009 2:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I noticed the GMs that he was involved with: JIm Paxson at Cleveland, Kiki Vandeweghe at Denver...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 10, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow, thank you Timbo....awesome!!!

Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!

by broyposse on Aug 13, 2009 1:21 AM PDT reply actions  

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