What's Next For Brandon Roy?
Brandon Roy's max contract means that he has fully ascended: no longer is Brandon simply a great basketball player, he is now recognized as a truly elite player. Like it or not, expectations scale alongside that salary increase.
NBA observers, including Brandon Roy himself, would agree that he is still a cut below the league's best two guard: Kobe Bryant. From here on out, each passing year should narrow that gap. Bryant's advancing age and Roy's continued development will pull those two closer and closer until eventually, at some point in the next 5 years or so (barring injury), there will be a succession.
The question for today: how, exactly, does the best, most complete player on the Blazers improve his game? What aspects of Brandon's game even need work?
I've assembled the following list of five improvements that I would like to see from Brandon Roy in 2009-2010. Please feel free to add your own in the comments.
1. Easier Shots
This topic has been all the rage since Andre Miller's signing. Can these two guards play together when both supposedly need the ball in their hands? Will their games be compatible? Will Miller improve Roy's game by helping Roy get easier shots?
First we should point out that the shots Brandon does take, relatively speaking compared to shots other players take, are pretty dang easy. He is an offensive efficiency dynamo. Thanks to a glimpse at a Synergy Sports' Brandon Roy profile (that I can't reproduce or link to because I would be instantly killed by an unknown assassin in the middle of the night), I learned the following things about Roy's game: His overall scoring effectiveness is rated as "Excellent"; He rates "Good" shooting off the dribble, "Very Good" going left and "Very good" going right; he is "Very Good" in iso situations; he is "Very Good" in handling pick and rolls (except when he is doubled and the ball is taken out of his hands). We also know that he's a pretty solid free throw shooter too.
Seriously, this guy is a machine.
Synergy does find one major area in his offensive game that needs improvement. Brandon shot 45.6% on unguarded jumpers last year; he was ridiculously accurate without a hand in his face. When guarded, however, his jump-shooting percentage fell to 32.2%, considered "average." Don't get me wrong: I'd rather have Brandon Roy shooting contested jumpers than anyone else on the team simply by virtue of his being Brandon Roy. Lord knows, some of his contested jumpers made for the best highlights from last season. But there is room for improvement there.
I see two obvious ways for Brandon to get easier shots and I think Andre Miller can help with both.
Miller's major offensive skills -- breaking down defenses better than Steve Blake and having a better feel for moving the rock -- should ensure that Brandon finds himself forcing shots less than he had to last year. The most obvious situation that called for contested jumpers last season occurred when the Blazers found themselves working against the shot clock. In those situations, the team regularly turned the ball over to Brandon and simply let him work. This was often successful but, Synergy's stats would argue, not as successful as he usually is.
Second, and this may surprise you, Synergy sees Brandon as "excellent" in transition. Transition baskets are the simplest way for guards to get easy buckets in the NBA; rewatch game films of the 1990s Bulls and you will see leakout dunk after leakout dunk. It is absurd.
But how is it possible that Brandon already rates as excellent in transition given his reputation as a slow-down player? Brandon generally finds himself trailing transition play. When the ball gets pulled out after an unsuccessful breakout, Brandon often finds himself the benefactor of a cross match-up: his man picked up Blake or Rudy or Batum or Travis when they broke out so Brandon gets matched up with their man as he follows the play. Brandon is very adept at recognizing and exploiting mismatches; he can either take bigger players off the dribble or bully smaller players for easy shots and/or free throws.
And in those rare cases in which Brandon does get out in front of transition play, he has proven to be a ruthlessly efficient player finishing at the rim, with both hands, and extremely effective in drawing contact off the bounce.
Given Miller's proven abilities to push tempo and remain comfortable in the open court, Brandon should find himself in transition situations more than ever next season. Whether it's finishing off lob passes or trailing the play and converting off mismatches, I expect (and hope) to see Roy's tempo, not just the team's tempo, pick up this season. Couple that with more open looks and less last-second deep jumpers thanks to Dre's veteran savvy and it's reasonable to expect an even more efficient offensive campaign from Roy.
2. Dictate 1st Quarters
Not many players in the NBA owned the fourth quarter like Brandon Roy did last year, so it was befuddling to see how relatively little influence he had over many of the Blazers' first quarters.
It's no secret that the Blazers look to get LaMarcus Aldridge involved early. This season, I expect to see more of the same and to see increased early looks for a developing Greg Oden. Getting those guys off early opens the floor for Portland's shooters. But there's a right way and a wrong way to establish an inside presence: the right way includes Brandon Roy as an active offensive threat, the wrong way sees B. Roy floating aimlessly.
Last season, dictating early offense relied too often on one factor: whether LaMarcus came out of the gate shooting well. If he was hot, everything ran very smoothly. If he was off on his first few jumpers, the Blazers often fell behind early, sometimes way behind, even at home. During the worst of these stretches, Brandon was a passive observer. While the Blazers demonstrated a remarkable ability to play from behind, the best players -- Jordan, Kobe... the kind of player that Brandon has the potential to become -- have the ability to get their teammates going early without sacrificing control over the game's flow.
What I'd like to see next season is Brandon taking more initiative right out of the gate: rather than letting the game come to him, I'd like the game in his hands firmly from the outset. That doesn't necessarily mean less looks for the bigs early in games; it does mean that I'd like to see fewer first quarter possessions when the ball is never in his hands.
3. Grow Greg Oden
This season Brandon Roy should evolve into a more forceful influence in all aspects of Greg Oden's life. Roy's abilities as a quiet, "lead by example" locker room presence have been well-documented. Indeed, I wrote a piece in Sports Northwest magazine about his humble approach to inspiring and leading his teammates.
That era should be over.
In the NBA, whether he likes it or not, money talks and $82 million yells really loudly.
Brandon Roy has a lot to offer to Greg Oden -- as a player, as a person, as someone that interacts with the media and is always in the spotlight, as someone who feels the same pressures and responsibilities, as a friend.
While the media is obviously not privy to much of the two players' relationship, it was rare to see much of a connection between them last season. During dozens of hours of practice, locker room sessions and the like, I struggle to remember a time when the two genuinely clicked. It goes without saying that Brandon carefully backed Greg when he was struggling and he has often spoken about how important of a player Greg will become for the team.
But Blazers fans should want to see Brandon proactively helping to make Greg's potential a reality. Brandon has all the cachet he needs to make that happen: the long-term deal, the personality, the individual awards, the compassion. If anyone understands what Greg is going through and possesses the people skills, street smarts and street cred to connect with him, it's Brandon Roy.
Whether it's looking for Greg off the pick and roll, advising him how to better interact with the local media, or simply inviting him to dinner (it went a long way with LaMarcus, right?), Brandon holds the keys to helping Greg get comfortable this season.
The time for the hands-off, "let Greg figure it out," approach is over; the time for Brandon to pull him toward serious development is now.
4. Be Smarter When Arguing Calls
Brandon Roy is by far the best athlete I've had the pleasure of watching play in person over a long period of time. So there's something particularly irking about watching a guy who plays the game the right way, plays hard, and is a clutch winner needlessly give points away to the opponent while whining, to no avail, over a non-call.
I get that referee manipulation is part of the modern NBA and that reputation goes a long way in determining who gets calls. I just wish Brandon's influence upon the officials was subtle like his crossover rather than brutal like his dunks. There were multiple times last season when he was actively ignored by officials, his protests falling on deaf ears as the refs beat him back down the court as he stood near the baseline shaking his head or slowly pulling himself off the floor.
While Nate McMillan has encouraged Brandon to fight for calls, and fewer players in the league are better at yelling when slapped while attacking the paint, it's hard to watch a player of his caliber remove himself from plays. Surrounded by impressionable, young players and referees who will only become more deferential to his rising star status, Brandon should recognize that getting back on defense proves a larger, better point than dragging his feet requesting a whistle.
Yes, this is very nitpicky.
5. Accept More Challenges On Defense
Despite all the buzzer beaters and the career-ending dunk on Poor Samb, I'm not sure there was a play during 2008-2009 that gave me a clearer look at the potential of Brandon Roy than the sequence in the Rose Garden the previous season when he strapped up Joe Johnson during the final 90 seconds of a close game. Frustrating Johnson with both quick feet and chest-to-chest physical defense, Roy showed he has the physical tools to be an elite on-ball defender against the league's best perimeter players. It was, to many observers, a breathtaking performance.
Because of the load he carried last year on offense, we didn't see this effort repeated on a nightly basis in 2008-2009. The addition of the defensively-gifted and versatile Nic Batum helped take the defensive pressure off Brandon but one wonders if things went a bit too far that direction. Although Brandon was often able to rest on defense, many possessions found him hiding on the weakside, a relative non-factor. Indeed, if Brandon excelled on the defensive end last season, it was off the ball, anticipating passes or cuts and then using his high basketball intelligence to create turnovers or force difficult shots.
But for a player of Roy's skillset, more should be expected. The degree to which players like Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen influenced the game on the offensive end was matched only by the degree to which they dictated terms defensively as well. Rule changes make it difficult for Brandon to be as physical as those two often were but they don't prevent him from telling his teammates and coaching staff that he wants the responsibility of guarding the other team's best player, particularly in the fourth quarter. We saw that at times last year and I'd like to see that become a given in big games.
The emotional boost his teammates received from Roy's dominance of Johnson was tangible almost an hour after the game; that boost and the bond it creates is capable of turning a quality team into NBA champions.
And that remains, as we were reminded this week, Brandon Roy's ultimate goal as a basketball player.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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really nice write-up
Brandon is so good it’s easy to take his game for granted. When asked, what aspects of Brandon Roy’s game even need work, I was stumped. I did think be more involved early and not the guy the team leans on late to pull out wins. I agree, in an effort to establish Lamarcus’ game early, Brandon was often completely uncomplimentary. If their was a way to weave Brandon into kick starting the team more effectively, I’m all for it. That probably means letting him establish dominance from the get go, and asking the other guys (LA and Oden) to follow suit.
Once again, really nice stuff Ben.
Everything comes gradually and at its appointed hour--Ovid
I echo bow4meow
great job on this write-up, Ben. I particularly enjoyed the segment where you talked about Synergy Sports’ profile of our beloved leader.
My one objection: don’t you think some guy named Wade might have something to say about Roy taking the title of “league’s best two-guard” from Kobe?
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
Second that!
At 6’4" 6’5" not only can Wade finish, he had like 100 blocks last year! Not that that’s Brandon’s job with the likes of Oden and the Thrilla behind him.
Similar timeline
Wade is likely to be starting to decline on a similar timeline to Kobe. In 5 years, Brandon is going to be better than either of them. Wade needs super athleticism to be in the top 5 players in the league, and that is likely to start to slip.
In five years, if Brandon is not the top SG in the league, it will probably be because someone new has come along who is better, or perhaps if Durant learns to be a SG and learns to do more than be a great scorer.
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Of course it doesn't
You already were one, one tiny little statement like that wouldn’t make you one.
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This is great analysis
One of your really fine pieces, Ben. Outstanding.
I agree with all five of your points. I don’t think #4 is nit-picky, though. We have to never fall into the mindset that it is what the officials do that matters. It is what we do that matters, and if we don’t get the call, we don’t stop playing, we go get the next play.
And I agree about that Joe Johnson shutdown. Man, if we could see that more often, what a player he would be.
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And if he could just walk on water
There is no doubt that Brandon is the cornerstone, face, leader, etc of the franchise and now he has the contract to make it official, but I don’t agree with him ending the era of humility and quiet leadership. Brandon has done an excellent job of growing into a leadership role. We have read many stories where he has stepped up and said what needed to be said or helped bridge gaps etc. He is obviously “the man” as Miller pointed out in an interview around the time he signed and his contract yells it out. So why start shouting about it now?
The more I read your point, I don’t disagree with the applications you bring up, essentially taking Oden under his wing, I just don’t know why this means “that era should be over.” My guess is that Roy not changing after signing for the max would do more to keep the chemistry going than him all of a sudden becoming a guy who feels he has to interject his opinions into everything.
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A couple of things
1. In skill , yes Brandon will match Bryant barring any serious injuries. However the persona of each player is so completely different , the type of NBA person each is and will become are so extremely opposite that the two can not be fairly compared with eachother.
2. I have been in public, watching a game, and inadvertently scream “BRANDON?!?! wHAT ARE YOU DOING? gET BACK ON D!!!” So for
the sake of my ever important vanity… He needs to quit whining and get back …
3. Except for the mods and rampant sexism on this site , blazersedge is awesome. This post is excellent and trumps any article the guys over at the O have put up this summer. Excellent piece Ben. A pretty realistic, non homer taken on how our 82 million dollar man will have to evolve. Excellent.
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by BlazerFan1 on Aug 7, 2009 7:25 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
It's the rampant sexism that you love about this site
It gives you an opportunity to complain about it. Without it, the site would be so perfect that you couldn’t stand it.
That’s the problem with women, they never know what it is they really want.
The beauty of it? You can’t help laughing at stupid posts like this one.
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by jscot on Aug 7, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do we get to agree this time jscot?
Sweet
Life's short, Stunt it!!
by Irwin Fletcher on Aug 7, 2009 7:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm... Not
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by BlazerFan1 on Aug 7, 2009 8:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
.. Really
1. How is my post “stupid” ? Do you disagree with my opinion on Brandon and/or ben’s post ?
2. Sexism is everywhere … Your post proves that.
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Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
by BlazerFan1 on Aug 7, 2009 8:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He was saying
that HIS post was stupid because of the tongue-in-cheek sexism. Don’t get hysterical on us.
::runs and hides::
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
hysterical
= sexist
From Dictionary.com:
Origin:
1650–60; < L hystericus < Gk hysterikós, suffering in the womb, hysterical (reflecting the Greeks’ belief that hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances in the uterus)
LOL
by levelhed on Aug 7, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It tends to ruin the joke when you spell it out
;)
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
::Hugs::
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
dont ever do that again
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Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
Not even a chuckle?
Come on, that was funny. :)
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
oh i laughed AT YOU
;)
Im teasing. For some reason, my super dry sense of humor doesn’t compute in an internet forum.
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Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
I guess mine doesn't either
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
can't imagine why...
:)~
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
LOL see i am so self absorbed that I take everything Jscot says as a personal attack
smh
It’s a bad habit I’m sure I will never be able to break.
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The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
Don't worry
When I rule the world, you’ll be incentivized to break all of your bad habits. Or at least this one.
One should always laugh at the dumb jokes of the future ruler of the world. It’s safer.
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How is drooling over a cheerleader
different than drooling over Batum?
Boys like girls, girls like boys, and frankly that’s okay. The difference is that boys have a leaning towards looks in their attractions while girls (in general) tend to have a more emotional attraction that is influenced by other factors.
now… if there are put downs “she’s a stupid girl, he’s just a dumb boy” then I agree that’s not cool. Mostly what I see you rail against is the difference of attraction between the sexes (in general… always exceptions and blah blah blah).
Ironically, my girlfriend would say “are you kidding, NO WAY” to most of the stances you take. She loves the cheerleaders but agrees on the preteen dancers… as do i. Freaking ick.
Anyway, i think you’re oversensitive to sexism, or I’ve just missed a good majority of it as I don’t hang out in the JD much.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
attraction and objectification are 2 totally seperate things.. i stopped reading after that sentence
The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
and you don't objectify batum?
You claim ownership but you don’t really know him. how is that not objectification?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Sexism - a distinctive doctrine, theory, system or practice
I believe in the sexes. I believe there are men an women and they are different. So I guess I would say I support the theory of sexism.
Go Men!!!
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by Irwin Fletcher on Aug 7, 2009 7:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dumb statement
I believe there are men and women and they are different. So I guess I would say I support the theory of sexism.
Go Women!!!
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Go everyone!!!
WOOT!
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
If Miller
Takes some pressure off brandon offensively, maybe he will be able to give more on the defensive end.
Life's short, Stunt it!!
by Irwin Fletcher on Aug 7, 2009 7:27 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Also one more thing
Greg Oden is an adult and needs to finally take responsiblity for his actions and emotions. Encouraging news you reported , stating Greg was seeing a psychiatrist. Perhaps Greg is recognizing he has a problem, maybe the tream forced him… I just feel Brandon will do his best to lead his team ; if someone choses not to follow because they can’t grow up and
get rid of their entitlement complex, that isn’t Brandons fault.
Sophia
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Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
by BlazerFan1 on Aug 7, 2009 7:29 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I doubt Greg has an entitlement problem.
Probably the opposite: he’s a polite, introverted, everyman kind of guy who struggles to cope with the attention and demands of being a star athlete on the NBA stage.
BWAHAHAHAHAH
yeah i tend to think he’s a 7 footer that has excelled at basketball at alll levels b4 the nba simply due to his immense physical presence and withered under the pressure to have to “gasp” work to return to form after a serious injury.
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The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
So your argument is Greg oden sucks because
He’s lazy and guilty of false hubris?
by Tyler Durrden on Aug 7, 2009 10:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
hm, no i didn't type this you did
The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
I was paraphrasing what you seemed to be inferring
My apologies
by Tyler Durrden on Aug 7, 2009 10:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So your argument is Greg oden sucks because
He’s lazy and guilty of false hubris?
by Tyler Durrden on Aug 7, 2009 10:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha.
Greg Oden outside, Paris Hilton inside. I don’t think itis true, but it is a funny idea.
I am the law!
I'd argue that there's some truth to your statement
but that a man with as little body fat as he had doesn’t get there by not working.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Absolutely right
I hope that Brandon, as a leader, can find that balanced line between apathy (I don’t care what Greg does) and interference (I’m going to fix you) which will allow him to challenge and encourage Greg in a healthy way – both in terms of his skill set on the court as well as his emotional/psychological health which also directly affects his ability to play basketball to his utmost ability.
But neither Brandon nor anyone else can take full responsibility for Greg – that’s Greg’s job. I am encouraged by what I’ve seen/heard from Greg this summer and hope that he continues to move forward in all aspects of life. Let’s hope that the progress continues and that he indeed becomes the player that so many of us expected him to someday become.
Agreed with the spirit of the statement
however, some people live in shells, and Roy as a leader should be reaching out and attempting to pull him out. It’s up to Greg to follow but it’s up to Roy to present the opportunities to do so.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I have never considered Greg having an entitlement complex.
A question of confidence, and lack of comfort on the floor yes. Entitlement no.
by Tyler Durrden on Aug 7, 2009 10:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with Sophia
I love Greg, but obviously he needs to step up this year and make some improvements. Like Sophia said, taking responsibility is one, and I would say developing a mean streak would be another. I’m interested to see what Ben’s “5 points of light” regarding Greg Oden would be.
I am the law!
Greg needs more than 5 points
and im sure Ben doesn’t feel like writing a dissertation on greg oden
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The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
I agree, even Joel gets five points a game.
Greg should average more like 25 points. And 15 rebounds. And five blocks. I would settle for him playing well enough that even you are pleased with him.
Seeing Synergy Sports
credit Roy with being good in transition was very gratifying to me. I’ve always disagreed with those implying he is lacking in fast break situations. With his ability for making lightening quick decisions, and his high athletic prowess and finishing abilities, there’s no one on the team I’d rather have leading, filling the lanes or finishing on the fast break. Just because he happens to excel in a half court game doesn’t preclude him from being excellent in a running situation. I’ve seen some remarkable performances and great decisions from him in this capacity.
Thank you Synergy for providing fuel to my assertions. So come on Nate, you’ve got no excuses ….. get this team moving. Roy, Rudy, Nic, LA, Travis, Jerryd, Sergio , even Greg and now I guess Andre …. they’re born to run.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
Brandon is also very effective in isolations, but we already knew that. This data is from the same company.
Usage and effectiveness of isolation. Some examples:
Brandon Roy: 29.33% / 87%
Dwyane Wade: 20.59% / 91%
Kobe Bryant: 32.45% / 84%
Manu Ginobili: 15.13% / 88%
Joe Johnson: 30.66% / 72%
LeBron James: 22.78% / 69%
Vince Carter: 20.45% / 73%
Steve Nash: 10.61% / 94%
Chris Paul: 13.17% / 62%
Danny Granger: 12.04% / 79%
Kevin Durant: 18.49% / 42%
In general I would argue Roy’s opponent for the crown of best shooting guard won’t be just Kobe, Wade will remain in that discussion.
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Agreed
wade is a freaking beast that was just slowed a bit by injury. Get him another good player and we have issues in our title runs. I fear him more than lebron.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
How do they quantify "effectiveness"?
And is usage “percentage of team offensive possessions where X player was isolated” or is it “percentage of possessions used by X player where X player was isolated”?
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The latter
The effectiveness is in what percentile of NBA players he is in a certain game situation. It isn’t how many shots the player hits. It means “Brandon Roy last season was better than 87% of NBA players in isolation situations”. And since he does use it a lot, his number is remarkable. It takes into account total points scored vs total possessions used, turnovers, free throws, made and missed shots, etc.
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
Cool, thanks.
I’m kind of surprised to see names like Roy/Wade/Kobe not higher on that list. I mean, they’re obviously among the elite by percentage, but not the MOST elite.
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Those are just the best perimeter players on their teams
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
Then who's in the >95% if those guys aren't?
If you ask people to name the most unstoppable players in an isolation situation, they’re all gonna say Kobe, Wade, CP, or LeBron. But none of those guys are even in the 90% percentile of NBA players by this metric.
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The big guys playing inside
I just wanted to post that as an example for an area where Roy is doing something more often than most of his peers on the wing, AND is more efficient doing so than almost everyone.
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
wow you have access to Synergy ?
how can I get that? Is that expensive?
I'd argue
our weakness there has actually been the point position. if we don’t see more fast breaks this year, I’ll agree it’s nate’s coaching more than the players. I strongly suspect this is why the blazers were looking for a playmaker.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Brandon's bread and butter way to score will remain isolations where he is top of the league. But we already knew that.
Usage and effectiveness of isolations, provided by the same company. Some examples:
Brandon Roy: 29.33% / 87%
Dwyane Wade: 20.59% / 91%
Kobe Bryant: 32.45% / 84%
Manu Ginobili: 15.13% / 88%
Joe Johnson: 30.66% / 72%
LeBron James: 22.78% / 69%
Vince Carter: 20.45% / 73%
Steve Nash: 10.61% / 94%
Chris Paul: 13.17% / 62%
Danny Granger: 12.04% / 79%
Kevin Durant: 18.49% / 42%
In general I would argue Roy’s opponent for the crown of best shooting guard won’t be just Kobe, Wade will remain in that discussion.
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RT: there’s no one on the team I’d rather have leading ... the fast break
gotta disagree here, Brandon is much more likely to walk the ball up court and set-up the offense then bust the defense up the middle and kick it to a wing for a dunk
I like Roy as a wing man on the FB just fine, though. Here’s hoping Miller will “encourage” BR to run the LH wing more often
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Oh, I forgot.
Great overall job with this report Ben.
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Andre Miller should help a lot
Roy will be able to play 2-guard and focus on scoring a lot more. His assists may drop to about 4 a game, but with Miller taking pressure off Roy should see his scoring increase to the 24-25 ppg range.
Excessive ball handling makes us go blind (and other myths)
Really nice, Ben. I especially appreciated your reminder about Roy’s insane efficiency and (point #1) the ways in which the addition of Miller might increase this. There has been quite a bit of talk about how Miller isn’t a great fit on the Blazers because he controls the ball and isn’t a great outside shooter. The last point is a given. Who doesn’t want knock-down three point ability to be a part of a point guards game? But I am not completely sold on the idea that having ball-handling point guard conflicts with what people constantly refer to as “Roy’s need to have the ball in his hands.”
Of course Roy needs to handle the ball. What scorer/creator doesn’t? But as Ben points out (via Synergy Sports), Roy is not always at his best when he has to take on an opposing team and shoot contested jump shots. He is good at it. But he is not at his best. So, yes, Roy needs the ball in hands … like, a lot. But where, when and how that happens might change a little with the addition of Miller. I imagine we will still run isolation plays for Roy. Great. But as we saw in the Houston series, teams are developing to ability to key in on Roy and slow him down, not stop him but slow him. Miller would add ways to get Roy the ball when the defense is out of position.
An example: Miller runs a pick and roll with Oden, taking it hard to the right while Oden dives into the key (maybe a dunk for Oden, maybe an easy score for Miller). Rudy/Martel/Nic is in the strong side corner (maybe gets a wide open three if his man leaves him). L.A comes up to the free throw line and Miller reverses it (maybe L.A. gets a wide open jumper from the free throw line). So far every member of the Blazers has had an opportunity to do what they do best, and Roy hasn’t even touched the ball … yet. He is on the weak side wing. The only way to stop the preceding scoring options is to flood the strong side of the court, which a number of teams (including the Blazers) have been working on. But if you do this, and the ball is reversed, the entire defense has shift. It’s a scramble. This is where Roy absolutely KILLS teams. If L.A. swings the ball to Roy, Roy’s man has to close out on him at full speed. How would you like to be running full speed at Brandon Roy with the responsibility of both not letting him take a wide open shot nor blow by you? That is like your boss asking you to be honest and tell him how much you like his pink shirt with green paisley tie ensemble—you can’t do both and either the honesty or the compliment are going to fall short. In other words, the defender is bound to fail. There are countless examples of what Roy does to teams in this situation, but perhaps the one we all know best is the dunk on Samb. Go back and check it out: the defense is in disarray, Roy’s man runs at him, falls for a pump fake, Roy blows by him, and then, well, you know the ending. This will happen way more often with a point guard that is a legitimate threat to take it to the hole and get defenses out of position. (sidenote: yes, we all dream of Bayless becoming that guard, but the difference between Miller and Bayless right not is that Miller can see one or two moves ahead when he drives, thus setting others up, while Bayless is always trying to score until he gets that “Oh #%&” look on his face and throws a jump pass).
The only other evidence I would like to point to in my questioning of the “Roy needs the ball mantra” is admittedly somewhat of a stretch: the all-star games. We have seen Roy play very well in two games surrounded by the best talent. Now, I know, these games don’t rival the playoffs in their intensity. Heck, I have played more intense games in my backyard against imaginary opponents. But if the prevailing wisdom about Roy is true, he would struggle to look good in such environments. Exactly the opposite is true, however, as Roy is always in the right place and plays perfectly off others strengths. Here’s hoping we get to see this on an Olympic team soon.
Everyone wants Roy to have the ball in his hands, but the addition of Miller, not to mention the further offensive progression of other teammates, won’t hamper this. It will just put the ball in hands more frequently when the opposing team isn’t fully prepared for it. This may only increase Roy’s efficiency, which is scary.
by unemployedreflection on Aug 7, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Right. It always amazes me when folks comment
that Chris Paul and Brandon would not play well together. One of the hallmarks of top talent is a high BBIQ. Those guys quickly figure-out what the other can do and how to maximize each other’s game. Brandon and Andre will be fine.
I pretty much agree
I’d like to add that I’d like to see the pace of his game pick up. he controls the tempo at his speed, but I’d like it a little faster. Roy’s athletic, we know it but I’d love for him to show it a little bit more and use it to his advantage a little bit more. I remember some missed layups that he could have gone stronger with that would have been makes because he’d have powered through the defense. this also entails more fast breaking involvement. He doesn’t have to be the first guy down, but I’d definitely want him at the “omg we just got clogged! Quick to the Roy Bot so he can make the finishing happen!” tail end of the break.
Off the ball moves. I could be wrong but I really don’t remember a lot of these. Rudy stands out, Batum stands out, Aldridge, Outlaw stands out, not so much Roy (in my mind). With miller there, Roy should be able to play off the ball a lot more, and I want to see that.
Free throws. 80’s are nice, but I’d like him in the high 80’s or low 90’s.
Strong agreement on first quarter presence and defensive improvement/presence. I hope Miller helps with that too.
Ref calls: shut up about the need to make them and be more subtle. Frankly, i think his “i get the star calls sometimes now” statement really scooged the poochie for him for a bit. BE SUBTLE!!!
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Well, if you watch/listen to PTI..
According to Kornheiser, Roy isn’t as good as “others” in the past 2-3 years of draft classes. That guy is an idiot. He honestly believes Roy isn’t as good as Durant, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, etc etc. Until Wilbon finally shut him up and said he’s AS good or better than all 3 of those. Kornheiser almost seemed insulted by that idea.
..freakin national media never paying us much attention. That changes this year!
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
It's funny
Sports commentators so often chant the mantra of ’it’s all about wins’. But when asked to analyze a player like Brandon who puts up good statistics (but not spectaculor ones) and is all about helping his team win games, they often undervalue him.
Don’t get me wrong – the Blazers have gone from 21 wins to 54 wins in 3 years because of a team effort. But the biggest single part of that team effort, IMO, has been Brandon Roy.
Kornheiser mostly sleeps when Brandon plays. And as Wilbon said, he isn't as spectacular as you typically might expect from a star player.
Although anyone who just watched the last All-Star game should have seen that Roy was one of the best and more spectacular players there. In the end, Kobe, LeBron and Shaq were still probably the names people remembered from that game.
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
Great job
the only thing I would add is for Brandon to find a way to go to the hole w/o getting beat-up. Every time he goes to the floor, Blazer nation holds their collective breath. While it’s true that the 82M gets some attention – it’s also true that not all of it will be from his team mates and the welcome mat at the hoop may be a little dirtier.
The real question is..
..even as Blazers fans, do we really believe Roy is a better player than Dwayne Wade?
Hmm.
Might need a ring first. I love ya Roy, but right NOW it’s probably Kobe – Wade – Roy.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
No question Wade is better
I love Roy, but the clear #1 SG in the NBA is Kobe, and just as clear at #2 is Wade. Then, just as clear at #3 is Roy. I don’t think even a ring for Roy would pull him even with Wade…some guys are just better than others.
Yuppers
any non-Blazers fan would die from laughter at the suggestion that Roy and Wade belong in the same sentence. Roy is an excellent player who could end up in the greatest 50 of all time. Wade is a transcendent, once-in-a-generation talent…who just happens to have another such talent in his generation overshadowing him.
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I would argue you're wrong
Roy doesn’t showcase his athleticism and does involves his team mates. I have NO doubt he could play like wade if he wanted to. he chooses not to.
I could be full of it.
Wade has more experience though and a strong drive. So, I’ll agree with you in that Wade is better. I don’t feel it’s a no question though. I’d want to see Roy play like Wade and then I feel it could be a no brainer after we compared apples to apples.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
It's a little bit much
to say that a guy who just averaged seven and a half assists per game doesn’t involve his teammates, no?
The Michael Ruffin of BlazersEdge, cuz Amlmart said so.
by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
challenge?
I wonder if there is any risk that with Brandon now being more firmly established as the Blazers superstar that there might be a tendency for him to take on too much of the load on the court.
It made sense that he did that in the playoffs since most of the team were not psychologically ready to handle the playoffs and Roy had no choice but to try to take on most of the load himself.
However, with all the talent on this team, as the other players improve and gain more confidence, I’m not sure it is optimum for Roy to have as dominant a role.
Fans will also have to be smart about this. Let Roy choose whatever role is most conducive to winning at the particular point of the particular game, even if it means some of his stats drop off due to more of the load being carried by all these other incredibly talented guys.
This is a really good point
fortunately I think there are two aspects of Brandon’s personality that mitigate the likelihood that this becomes a problem: he trusts his teammates and he doesn’t have a “me-me-me” complex.
Brandon’s very tuned into where his fellow Blazers are at mentally, it seems, and if somebody like LMA is ready to be a consistent go-to scorer approaching Brandon’s level, I don’t think Roy would have any problem ceding some of that responsibility away from himself.
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by BlazersOrBust on Aug 7, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Defense.
If Brandon plays 5 less minutes each game and much of the distribution part of his game is outsourced to Dre then perhaps his scoring per game drops five points and his assists do go down to four per. If in return we get regular defensive efforts like the one Ben mentions, Brandon becomes a premier perimeter defender. I mean a Bowen/Battier type defender. This elevates his game, in my opinion above Mr. Wade. And gets us rings.
Bedge or go home.
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dont be sexest ,chicks dig that.
You answere many of my questions
Great article Ben: I have been wrestling with the queston of whether BRoy and Dr Dre could play at the same time. I thought no. You have changed my mind.
I thought BRoy would be good in transition because of CP3 and him in his first all-star game. You answered that question.
I thought he could be great on D if we didn’t have to work so hard on offense. You answered that question: If Dr. Dre. can take part of the burden off he could play harder on the Defensive end.
I didn’t think BRoy was involved enough in the first qtr but thought if was because he was trying to get his team mates going, which is basically true but didn’t know he was staying out of plays.
I didn’t know if BRoy would or could get Greg jump-started for the season. You answered that question.
So all this was very informative for me.
hg
Three qualified wishes
I’d like to see Roy move without the ball more. He’s so efficient in everything that he does that it’s hard to imagine him racing around the court like Rudy or Rip Hamilton. Maybe he’s smart to conserve more than that, but I would like to see him be a little more active without the ball.
I’d also like to see him make decisions with the ball more quickly. Roy likes to think with the ball in his hands. Even when he has the space he rarely catches and shoots unless he’s behind the arc. He rarely quickly passes either. Reversing the ball quickly on the outside would get Oden a lot closer to the basket. Once again, though, it’s hard to argue what Roy does once he puts a little thought into it.
I’d like like to see him not give up on the defensive end after a non-call. I don’t think it’s nit-picking.
Roy
My number one and really only irritation with his game last year was his lack of involvement in the 1st quarter. I think half of the blame goes to Nate and half to Brandon for that. Our offense was so predictable, first ten posessions would generally be 5 or 6 shots for Lamarcus a turnover and a couple three pointers hoisted by Blake and Batum while Roy just watches from the sidelines. I understand wanting everyone to get involved, but your best player needs to be involved too. Maybe just as a facillitator but he needs to be involved in some compacity. This is the main reason we fell behind in first quarters so frequently last year, we were playing 4 on 5 without our best player.
To the other points.
I think Brandon should continue to argue calls he doesn’t get from the officials. He goes to the rack all day and only gets about 60% of the calls he should get. He should lead the league in FT attempts by a gaurd every year.
Greg Oden; Brandon can help him all he wants but it’s up to GO, if he wants to dominate, he can do that defensively with the proper focus, training, practice and desire.
As for the defense, I think Brandon was above avarage to good when he applied himself. For most superstar gaurds, defense comes along later in there career (if at all, Steve Nash, Magic Johnson ect..) with Gary Payton being the lone exception I can think of . So keep working on it.
Shot selection- He gets great shots, constantly. I think the only exception is when Steve Blake or Sergio ran the pick and roll and got nothing out of it( which seemed to happen all to often) and brandon had to hoist at the end of the clock. Hopefully Andre Miller can help there.
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I hope he adds a post-up game.
One side benefit I’m really looking forward to in acquiring Andre Miller is having a guard show Brandon the benefits of a post-up game from the backcourt.
Brandon should be a natural in the post (he’s strong and has great herky-jerky movement, and his natural jumper range is in that 12-15 foot area that 2 guards can get posting up very easily).
He always screams when he goes to the rim.
And frankly, kind of sounds like a wuss when he does it. Either pick your spots when you scream or sound cooler doing it.
Life is hilarious.
Gotta be moving without the ball
Brandon is an amazing player when he has the rock in his hands. He’s an excellent creator in the half court and an excellent finisher in transition. What I would like to see him do more of is to move without the ball in the half court.
I get that this is partly an energy conserving thing, but if, for example, Trout or LMA is trying to make a play and Roy is on the opposite side of the floor it just seems like he just floats out to the 3-pt line, stands there, and waits for someone else to shoot. It just makes him ridiculously easy to guard because he is too far away for anything but maybe a skip pass and he has no chance of getting an offensive board.
I’d like to see him flash to the ball in situations where he’s on the weak side instead of waiting for someone to try to come get him with a screen. Maybe even go set a backscreen for someone and flash off of that. Try to get him catching the ball going towards the paint instead of always catching it coming out towards the 3 pt line. If he doesn’t get it on the cut, stay around the paint for a little bit so he has a chance at an offensive rebound – there aren’t too many 2’s that should be able to handle him when he crashes the glass. He’s just too good around the basket to justify having him floating out beyond the 3pt line.
Ben, you keep getting better and better! The only question is ..
when do you sleep??
Lol .. it says that you posted at 6:00 AM! And it must have taken time to write this up.
Anyway, thank you. I agree with everyone who said that this is a great analysis.
Roy v Kobe
Roy Kobe
pts
0-9 5 0
10-19 18 14
20-29 43 38
30-39 11 22
40-49 0 3
50-59 1 0
60-69 0 1
I think this display of Roy’s season vs Kobe’s season illustrates Ben’s point about Roy’s need to improve his consistency. Roy had too many games where he disappeared. Part of that, or perhaps most of that, comes from not having enough diversity on offense. I think the addition of Miller will give Roy a chance to get more points early in the offense and reduce the number of games where he was not a factor.

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