One Lesson From Brandon Roy's Contract Negotiations
Brandon Roy just got paid. In a big way.
It was a slightly unusual contract negotiation but not because of how long it took (not long at all, really) or the end result (the expected max five year deal with a player option).
The most memorable turn in the negotiations came when The Oregonian's Jason Quick, Blazers insider, publicly lobbied against the team on Roy's behalf. There was genuine surprise among many long-time observers at just how far Quick went -- "the team is nickel-and-diming him with the amount of years. It's bad form" -- and plenty of raised eyebrows over the "golden aura" imagery. It got ugly, too: there were jokes behind the scenes about whether Quick would get a Rolex from Roy's agent for his trouble.
The main, perfectly reasonable point of Quick's piece-- that max entending Roy was a no-brainer -- got lost in the hysteria fueled in part by the tone and imagery that surrounded it. That was a shame. Whether intentionally or not (Quick has certainly earned the benefit of the doubt from me), that article stirred up the worst sentiments among Blazers fans: panic, anger, and woe-is-me self-loathing.
At times, the mindless fear expressed by certain portions of Blazer nation was pathetic.
I really, really hate to quote Mark Jackson but, for once, he put it better than anyone else could. To both the fear-mongerers and those cowering next to their FM radios scared senseless by a Roy apocalypse: "You're Better Than That."
I hope that the swift, satisfactory conclusion to this episode serves to reinforce a message that I was shouting on twitter for a week (but which felt like an eternity): BE REASONABLE.
When your instincts tell you that "THE TEAM WOULD BE SOOOO STUPID NOT TO SIGN HIM....." trust your instincts. Trust the months, if not years, of public and private, direct and indirect, statements of support the team made toward Brandon Roy. Go back to the original sources -- direct quotes from the key players involved -- if you are having trouble getting your mind around what you're reading or hearing on talk radio.
As a Blazers fan, you are blessed with the ability to be as well-informed about your team as any fan anywhere in the country. Indeed, there are thousands of you reading this that put as many (or more) hours into your fandom as those who write/record/produce Blazers content. With all of that knowledge comes a responsibility to help spread the good word in every way that you can.
Why do I say that? Because every single local television and radio station rushed over to the Practice Facility the day after Quick's story broke, ready to stoke the flames, prodding Kevin Pritchard for any crack in the facade. Some of those present were people I hadn't seen around the team in months, people who didn't even show up for Andre Miller's press conference. People who probably won't show up for Roy's signing press conference.
I say this completely honestly: I was more scared by that media mob than I ever was by the thought of not extending Brandon Roy.
For my money, yesterday was Jason Quick at his best again: the only reporter with a statement directly from Roy, the only reporter with clear, factual insight into the sticking points of the negotiation. He answered all of the important questions, he did it in a very timely manner and the final product was both interesting and informative. What more could I ask for?
As an intelligent reader, you have a lot of power: comment on quality articles, send feedback to the writers (they listen, I promise), spread praise around the internet for superlative efforts, and, most importantly, devote your attention and media consumption dollars to those enterprises that you feel are doing things "the right way."
For me, and I believe for a lot of you, the right way still matters.
Because if you don't speak up, in this changing media landscape, "the right way" will continue to erode or, worse, disappear entirely. It's happening day by day, paper by paper. Fear of that potential endgame is why I wrote this.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Indeed
This is not New Orleans, Memphis or Phoenix, whose owners are dumping salary and don’t really appear to care about winning.
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by skywaker9 on Aug 6, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Jason Quick
has a talent for throwing turds into the punchbowl at the most inopportune moments.
His “underwhelming” piece was beneath contempt, as was the Roy contract story.
Generally, I like him, but when you start to see a pattern emerge, then it’s well, a pattern.
by raoulduke on Aug 6, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Well said
I have nothing non-bannable to add. Well said Raoul.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Jason Quick has mentioned his "agreement" with Roy in several past articles.
Roy has helped him by giving him access at almost any time on almost any topic. Now Jason has returned that favor, insuring that he has the inside track with the number one player on the team. No Rolex required.
Are we seriouly going to allow this here at BE?
Don’t comments like these and all the others bashing on Quick go against everything that Dave has been preaching about? Quick a person just like everyone else, he’s probably even a member of BE, so why is it appropriate and even rec’ed that we ridicule him and his work.
I was opening against the thought of moderators when the issue was first brought up, but after all these negative posts, that have absolutely no real purpose or place in any serious Blazer discussion, I can’t help but think that not only do we need the moderators we apparently need more of them.
"I've learned one thing, and that's to quit worrying about stupid things. You have four years to be irresponsible here. Relax. Work is for people with jobs. You'll never remember class time, but you'll remember time you wasted hanging out with your friends. So, stay out late. Go out on a Tuesday with your friends when you have a paper due Wednesday. Spend money you don't have. Drink 'till sunrise. The work never ends, but college does" - Tom Petty
Blindly trust media?
With people questioning it needing moderated? Scary.
Quick messed up, silly to think we should censor that.
- Sam
It's ok
To call Oden a bust. It’s ok to call Rick Bucher a hack. It’s ok to call for Nate to be fired. It’s ok to call KP little more than lucky. It’s ok to call Bob Whitsitt A bungler. It’s ok to call Kobe evil. It’s ok to call Zach Randolph a black hole, and Darius Miles a pox. However to question Jason Quick’s reporting is an ad hominem attack that is out of bounds? Are opinions such as those above to be with out voice here? Is this about the line between mainstream media and the blogs? If so why shield Quick as a member of the blog? There’s random negativity and then there’s opinion. When it the opinion of some that actions harm the team that we all cheer for, then I don’t see why they can’t be voiced. Should all opinion of public figures be out of bounds when criticism of their work is arbitrarily deemed negative? Are you the arbiter? Go call your moderator. Let he who is without opinions cast the first stone.
by pxilpooshr on Aug 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
please send me the memo with the outline of what can be discussed and who can be criticized….I want to properly file it
"My avatar picture is of the favorite vehicle I ever owned" -Me
I tried to make a list in excel
but I can’t figure that crazy application out. Who can understand such things?
you string together items
and then make a statement that all who oppose those items somehow take a different stance with Quick. I find that to be faulty logic.
Apart from that, I believe the issue is the personal attack
Jason Quick
has a talent for throwing turds into the punchbowl at the most inopportune moments.
His "underwhelming" piece was beneath contempt, as was the Roy contract story.
I find all personal attacks obnoxious.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
so which part is the personal attack?
The talent part? Must be, because the second part would be an attack on his work. Is it obnoxious that someone would have a problem with his work?
You know
I apologize. I skimmed and misread what you wrote. I am wrong. Multi-tasking does not always work out so well for me. Sorry. You bring up a good point.
I call Kobe evil for fun. It’s fun to hate on the lakers for me.
I’ve called Zach a black hole. I meant it in that he doesn’t pass when he should and he never showed signs on improvement.
I haven’t called Miles a pox, but I would say a cancer risk in that his behavior could poorly influence others. I feel i was right.
Your point being that the OP called JQ’s stuff a turd at a bad time. It is rather hypocritical of me to bemoan one and not the other. I suppose for me it’s a matter of repetitive behavior and a few moments. Also… turds are gross.
Quick has had three articles that rub people the wrong way. I think he was right about Oden, but expressed it poorly for some. He voted for Williams (which made me roll my eys), and he hyperventilated about Roy (which makes me wondering where he gets his stuff). He’s also had a LOT of great articles and inside looks and breaking news.
Kobe has repeatedly thwarted the Blazers while on the evil lakers.
Zach never seemed interested in understanding team
Miles showed what a wonderful influence he is time and time again.
Also… no one used turds.
Quick didn’t irk me until his last article. He actually didn’t even irk me because it was more “what are smoking again?” What actually really irked me was the firestorm of “KP SUCKS AND THE WORLD IS ENDING” and quick simply added to that.
Still… turds??? I guess I just don’t like them. I really don’t have a better answer at 5pm/quitting time than that.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
and don't get me wrong
Jason Quick is a very talented writer. On occasion I question his choice of targets and timing.
and regarding my faulty logic
Don’t comments like these and all the others bashing on Quick /blockquote>
Help me define “bashing” and then we can apply any kind of logic you choose.
Yes, I'm sure that Dave intended for all BE comments to be positive from now on
Outrageously inappropriate conduct by writers for the only major newspaper in the metropolitan area—inserting themselves into their stories time & again—shouldn’t be criticized under any circumstances. That would be downright Unamerican.
Seriously, if you’ve never done so, try reading “Common Sense” by Thomas Paine. See how respectful that “founding father” was towards King George. That’s the spirit this country was founded on. Not to get on too high a horse. But seriously: if we can’t criticize basketball journalism—using some digs in the process—then we’re REALLY in trouble.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Yes, once again Ben's idol inserted himself into the story front & center
As you said: underwhelming.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
The right way DOES matter
which is why I stopped reading news, this summer, on the blazers from anywhere but here. It was just stupid.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
My take on Quick...
I think he is too good of friends (or wants to think he is) with Roy to remain an unbiased journalist. I think his friendship comes in good at times when he gets a scoop or quote no one else can but at other times it seems unprofessional. I am not complaining becuase I like Quick’s stuff but I do take it with a grain of salt.
Quick himself
has said he sometimes has trouble being an objective reporter because, really, no beat writer is closer to his or her team than Quick is to the Blazers. Remember his “Behind the Scenes” series at the end of the last regular season? That showed the players trusted him and befriended him somewhat. It was also a terrific bit of writing.
Quick was also correct on the troubles of the Roy negotiations, he just made the mistake of taking a side.
and really
airing it.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Back in the day, editors kept writers within bounds
That was when they had these things called journalistic standards, of course.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Can anyone really blame Quick?
Hell..i agree with him that the contract negotiations with Roy shouldn’t take long…why is everyone hating on him when he was just pointing out the obvioius?
People didn't want to admit there was a problem
when he first broke the story so they attacked the source, and then after it was verified to be true by Roy himself they already had this mental image of Quick. I’ve only been truly upset with JQ once, and that was when he said he put Deron Williams ahead of Roy for All-NBA second team (after a massive public outcry he changed his vote).
The “underwhelming” article was completely true- Oden wasn’t looking good and hadn’t at any point when it came out. I think GO was posting something like 5 points and 4 rebounds a game at the time. So, much like with the Roy story, people attacked the source rather than admitting there was a problem.
The underwhelming article was true only in the sense that he reported that a guy
with a devastating injury hadn’t shown signs that he wasn’t fully recovered.
What wasn’t true was the unstated expectation that he should have been recovered. Oden was only “underwhelming” if you were silly enough to have expected more after what he went through.
he was underwhelming
based on the hype coming out from the blazers. Yes, when expectations were reset, he was fine. The blazers made it sound like he was going to be extraordinary right out the gates. THAT’S the part that ended up being underwhelming.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
fair point
Sometimes people will say a phrase because it sums up everything, but it only does that when everyone the phrase is being said to understands the whole meaning/expression behind it otherwise they take it the wrong way.
You’re definitely right in that quick should have elaborated more as to what he actually meant and also taking the attacking word “underwhelming” out of his article to make it more neutral. In the sound bite world we live in the “…based on expectations raised by the blazer front office” becomes lost and all that’s left is “Greg Oden was a bit underwhelming…”
I read it, I knew what Quick meant because I saw it and agreed.
Still, the way it was written it did place Greg at the center and not the Blazer management. That is an excellent point.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Go back & read the article
Quick talks about how he feared GO was going to haul off and punch him. What Quick actually put at the center was…HIMSELF. That was what was so underwhelming about the piece. Very poor journalism.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Quick did mention that
I am not sure if he mentioned that in the story, but he brought it up in that weeks podcast.
I think
he ended up explaining himself more. By then the soundbite was in the wild though, and people who get excited about such things didn’t care.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
yeah
that was just dumb.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
That article fit into the picture of KP losing his Midas touch in an offseason where nothing goes according to plan
That image was fostered by national writers like Wojnarowski who is great breaking news but not so much writing commentary to it. And Quick and some other members of the local media did little to correct it with their reporting on the contract negotiations. Though he did write a much better piece on the contract negotiation of LaMarcus that showed more of both sides, a player with an agent trying to prove why he is worth a lot and a team that needs to look down the road when all of its young players want to get paid. Once the Miller signing happened, the tone started to shift back to a normal balance of reporting critically but without so much drama.
"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw
by Norsktroll on Aug 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great point about the "tide" of reporting
These guys are loath to go against the grain on anything. Once there is something perceived as negative, most media will try to expound on it….rather than check to see if it is, in fact, reality
"My avatar picture is of the favorite vehicle I ever owned" -Me
by 92wastheyear on Aug 6, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
People love to hate
They hate MJ (pick one)
They hate Britney
They hate the Lakers
They hate the Blazers and KP
They hate Bush
They hate Iraq
They hate Obama
They hate the Backstreet Boys
They hate Vanilla Ice
They hate Milli Vanilli (or however that’s spelled)
They hate Paris Hilton
Love to hate “the other” and all those we don’t know. Because of this, it sells. By putting others down, we can feel better about ourselves. Who doesn’t want to read articles that are subtly telling you how much better you are?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Aug 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate "hate"
I love “love”
"My avatar picture is of the favorite vehicle I ever owned" -Me
by 92wastheyear on Aug 6, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
love is more fun
of course, I am on the Laker hate bandwagon. Seriously makes the games more fun.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I need
someone to hate. To have an appropriate outlet for these occasional feelings ….The Lakers fit the bill. Also tax collectors and male enhancement commercials
"My avatar picture is of the favorite vehicle I ever owned" -Me
by 92wastheyear on Aug 6, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
and yet
i’m always curious. my gf, however, would kill me.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Great piece
Good work, Ben. Excellent take and clearly written
"My avatar picture is of the favorite vehicle I ever owned" -Me
I agree completely
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
It might be time for a change, simply because Quick has become to close.
How we judge Jason has become muddy, mainly because he has done some great reporting over the years. Jason has been through a lot of changes at One Center Court, so he has been in a state of transition now that happy times are here again. There was some paranoia involved in that article, and who could blame him knowing what the past has brought. I think we can actually take comfort that the “vulcan” era of Blazer basketball is over.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
hmmm
interesting take that his response this time around was colored by his past experiences and a possible fear of going back to that.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
If you were the beat reporter, would you ever want the Steve Patterson era
to return? I mean having a full transcript of your interview be made so that the Blazers could rebut anything they don’t like. That was a crazy time in Blazerville.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
It really was a crazy time.
As a fan I have no fear of that, but it’s a good point that the way contracts were being handled that it may have touched a nerve for JQ and so while we’re here going “ummm… what?” he freaks out.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Ben, I respectfully disagree.
We don’t know who was holding out, but if indeed it was the organization then all those panickers were right on. If there ever were a player you would want to give exactly what they wanted, it is BRoy. My question: why the wait? Why not sit him down and say, “Brandon, what do you want?” And give it to him. What is the reasoning behind not doing that? He is our superstar. Fan favorite. Just because it was bound to happen doesn’t mean that it makes sense for the organization to hold out. And for us to just sit here and say, “oh, its gonna happen, lets not worry about it” leads us back to a time when the organization doesn’t listen to the public. I for one won’t stand for that, even if it means not being “reasonable.”
by ducklaw on Aug 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually
it does make sense. What doesn’t make sense is people taking negotiations personally.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I am not sure people were taking them personally, rather, Quick wrote something that
played upon a lot of fan’s fears right after we had just witnessed the Hedo situation.
Just kind of a crappy week or two for Blazer fans.
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
Personally?
What makes you say that fans were taking negotiations personally? Having an opinion as to how the organization should handle negotiations doesn’t mean that you are taking them “personally.” I guess I don’t really understand what you are trying to say.
Fans became upset (fed by the media)
At the lack of an immediate agreement during negotiations. Even if both parties are on the same page, that’s generally not how you negotiate. both sides will still test the water to see what ripples and what doesn’t. Negotiations can also set precedence, increase or decrease reputation, and have other secondary outcomes that need to be taken into consideration.
The fact that people started raising pitch forks over a simple contract negotiation that started a year early while other moves were in play as well, is silly and shows they were personally attached to the decisions instead of looking at it in a detached manner.
Once the Blazers were ready to focus on brandon, the deal was closed pretty quickly. A message was sent that the blazers were NOT writing blank checks (important for future deals), that the star would be honored but also that EVERYONE would be negotiated with in a tough but fair manner.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I think one thing
that gets lost is that, these contract negotiations are for MILLIONS of dollars. It is not as simple as, “Roy what do you want?” “ok here it is!”. Kobe, MJ, Shaq, etc.. all have had these talks, so yes even great players still must negotiate their new contracts, otherwise why would they have agents? If the teams will just roll over and give them what they want, why pay a guy 5-10%?
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but it's not my money!
a million is nothing!
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Actually, MJ's last K's with the Bulls
were done over lunch with handshake deals. Reinsdorf asked MJ what he wanted, MJ said “how about $30 million for a year?” and they shook on it. Took one lunch. The next year, they repeated the process with nearly identical terms.
Everyone knew MJ was worth more to Chicago than they could pay.
And with collective bargaining now giving us a “max K,” the Blazers are not allowed to pay Brandon what he’s actually worth. He’s worth much more than this current K. The Blazers won this negotiation when the league won the last round of collective bargaining. They are getting Brandon on the cheap with the max deal.
That’s why nickel and diming him for a month was unnecessary, insulting, and bad form.
"value"
I think your Jordan comparison is interesting and wonder if you have a link to that story.
You mention that the blazers are getting him on the cheap. In what way do you identify value? I look at it as my return on investment. If i invest for something with a perceived value of 10 million, and I get nothing back, then regardless of perception I have nothing. if I can sell it for 10 million, then I made no money and still have nothing for it. To me that would be zero value.
If I can purchase something for 10 million that brings me in 20 million in revenue, then that thing has a value of me of 20 million dollars and a return on investment of 10 million dollars.
I love roy, but I honestly consider him over priced. Here’s why. The blazers are currently NOT making money right now at a salary that’s at (lets say) $50 million. The blazers just increased that to (let’s say) 60 million. Roy’s value is currently at -10 million because the team was already in the hole and it just went deeper into it. Now, if I believe that Roy can take the team to the finals which would generate an additional 50 million in revenue (just for the fun of it pretend), then he’s suddenly generating more than I invested and I’m a happy camper.
As fans we value on the emotional level and thus that 10 million for a painting that never goes up in value has value to us. We like it, it’s pretty. the blazers are a business though. they can’t just buy things because they like them. They have to buy them because they have strong evidence that in the future it will raise revenue in some manner.
Roy’s over or under value should be linked by the return on the investment the blazers make.
Also, how do you know the Blazers nickeled and dimed him? Were you in the room listening in? Maybe the agent was dragging it along because he likes free lunches and was insisting the management wears tutu’s every other tuesday. Plus, if the agent made it look easy, then why would Roy need an agent?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
which is reason for BRoy wanting an opt-out
The Collective Bargaining Agreement limits Roys market value, yet by having an opt-out option Roy has a chance to renegotiate contract terms when a new collective bargaining agreement will be in place that could be more favorable to Roy. The Blazers give up longevity of contract to allow Roy that concession to potentially renegotiate sooner rather than later. It is a risk of contract flexibility for both sides but Roy has more potential benefit to bargian for a new extension/contract at a younger age (30 instead of 31).
This is mostly a moot point as the players have always given up more concessions than owners in every CBA. Billionaires tend to get their way over millionaires.
As an aside this quote from Ben
“As an intelligent reader, you have a lot of power: comment on quality articles, send feedback to the writers (they listen, I promise), spread praise around the internet for superlative efforts, and, most importantly, devote your attention and media consumption dollars to those enterprises that you feel are doing things the right way.”
sure seems to me like a veiled stab at Cazano. However many of us, myself included just ignore him as he is not the kind of guy to reform from criticism.
I think you need to recheck how well the contract negotiations went between Jordan and Chicago
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 6, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
there were some earlier negotiations that had some animosity
No small part due to Jerry Krause being an [can’t say it cause of bedge rules] to pretty much every other living being on the planet.
However, MJ’s last two years were both one year deals at $30M per year and were said to have been negotiated without Faulk (or Krause) in the room. Just Reinsdorf and Jordan at a restaurant. Of course, Faulk had to sign off on it, but it was done quickly and easily. The first of those two came right after the 72-10 season, and MJ had more negotiating power than anyone may have ever had in sports.
Reinsdorf also immediately said he regretted giving one man so much money and power
It’s why he had no problem when Krause decided to dismantle the team after 1998.
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 7, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe after Roy
wins 1 championship, or maybe 3 or 5, the talks between him and KP will be over lunch for his new deal, but at this point on his first real deal this is completely normal. Jerry and MJ had major issues of a couple of his contracts, the picture is not as rosey as you paint it.
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MJ's first contract
When he first entered the league in 1984-85, he signed a seven year $6.3 million contract in which he earned roughly US$900,000 a year.
No less than 4 years latter the Bulls and MJ had “different” ideas about his contract.
“Right now I’ve got a contract, and I’ve got to fulfill that contract. My name is on the dotted line. But if Mr. Reinsdorf wants to give me a new contract, fine. I’d be happy with that. I would thank him for that.” Michael Jordan
When it comes to sweetening Michael Jordan’s contract, the ball apparently is in Jerry Reinsdorf’s court.
Jordan and his agent deny they have asked the owner of the Bulls to renegotiate the seven-year, $6.15 million contract Jordan signed in 1984. And they say they won’t ask – not formally, at least.
But they hope Reinsdorf will offer to make adjustments.
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Wow!
Can you imagine paying a player of MJ’s caliper around $900k/year for the first 7 years of his contract. Yes, I realize there is such a thing as inflation, but even if it doubled or tripled since then, the Bulls must’ve made 2000 times more off of MJ then they were paying him. MJ more than made up for it with advertising contracts though.
Agreed
Beyond that, I also don’t appreciate the ‘I told you so" aspect of Ben’s piece. As though all of us saying “this should be easy – give BRoy the max” were all crazy.
As it happened – we were all exactly right! (Reverse “I told you so.”) BRoy got the max. It just – for reasons known only to KP’s shrink – took a month for the team to realize what we’d been saying all along.
Good for the team on finally coming around to their senses and getting this done. But if you think we were wrong to wonder why it took more than an hour, that’s unfair.
Eh..
Remember that the media sell papers and get people to listen or watch by promoting stories, good or bad. Unfortunately today’s journalistic climate has a real “gotcha” feel to it. What I mean is, a publication like the Oregonian sells more papers with a story about potentially losing Roy. Fear is a major, major factor in capitalism throughout this country. I can’t really blame Canzano or Quick for putting it out there. I’m 99.9% sure when these stories ran the Oregonian (not to mention traffic at Oregonlive) sold more papers and Canzano had even more people listening. Advertising revenues are starting to become more important than the facts, which is really sad.
You’re absolutely right about “going with your gut” anytime you read something which makes little to no sense. It’s good to apply this spirit of thinking for ANY news you read these days. There’s just too many iReporters, bloggers, Twitter, etc etc. out there to rely on most of what you hear. Hell, even the great ESPN.com screws up stories all the time. Everytime you hear the word “source” in an article, it’s perfectly reasonable not to trust anything you’re about to read.
My 2C.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
i dunno, I will not be ashamed of being a passionate fan- being upset about the negotiations
i feel like the situation was normal and the changing landscape of how the negotiations are reported have contributed to the way in which fans react no days. For example. Between, Quick, blazersedge.twitter and the Oregonian Blazer fans were taken through a rollercoaster of emotion because this whole situation dropped right after Hedo dipped out for Toronto. It’s a bit unfair to call fans out for freaking out because shoot, what IS a sure thing these days, you know?
Anyway, good write up, per usual.
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
correction : Now days*
The Princess of Blazersedge
Sports do not build character. They reveal it. - Casey Dillon Stengel
100% agree.
I’m glad I freaked out and would do it again. Like I said, its not all about whether it would eventually happen. It was about how it happened and how long it took to give him what you knew he should be getting.
Reactions were based
on too much information, but not enough “right” information.
What was dictating the blazers moves? What was the motivation? What was dictating Roy’s and Company’s moves? What was their motivation? The public has about a tenth of the information and the leaps to dramatic conclusions based on that. A LOT goes on behind the scenes that people DO NOT hear about.
Ever had a job where someone said something about someone else? “Dang it! They’re not getting me the information I need! They must be lazy” Then you can choose to become ticked off that they’re lazy. You talk to the person being lazy and you find out “look, i’m trying but that stupid client isn’t responding!” Call up the client and you find out “Look, I’d love to get you that information but that’s a small piece of this big puzzle and we need parts A, B, and C to be settled before we can move forward with D!”
If you’re a boss and you freak out on the “they’re lazy” what is it going to look like if you go storming into “lazy’s” office and chew them out?
If you’re a boss and you listen to lazy, what will it look like if you freak out and call up the clients boss and raise a fire storm?
It’s important to stay calm and non-dramatic and only use the drama when absolutely needed because if you don’t, you become a person that cries wolf. This is why I’m a little irked by Quick and his article. He cried wolf because he saw a picture of it in a book lent to him by the guy wanting to install a wolf detector.
That’s why Quick shouldn’t have printed the article and it should have been a non-issue and that’s why (i personally feel and agree with ben) that when people show poor judgment and air dirty laundry, the public should respond with a “stop smoking crack and chill out” otherwise the media will see it sells and do it again and more often to feed the public’s need for drama.
We as readers are, in part, responsible for what’s published and what sells because WE provide the eyeballs and motivation.
A good example is GM. The Obama administration wants to force GM to make hybrid cars. GM’s response is “but they’re not SELLING! Our trucks and SUVS are selling and oh…. by the way guess what… we’re out of stock and need more of those gas guzzlers!”
You may hear a lot about “greeeeeen!!!! YAAAAAAAY!!!” but people speak with their wallets and they’re saying “BIG GAS GUZZLING”. GM is in the business to make money. What do they want to sell and what do they sell? They sell the thing that makes them money. (yes I know there’s more to that argument and it’s more complicated, but that portion of it represents the case I’m trying to make)
The media gives us what we, as the public, responds to.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Aug 6, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brandon's radio interviews provoked this reaction just as much
I remember hearing Brandon’s radio interview with KJR in Seattle. I love Brandon, but I thought he was a little edgy, and a lot of the angst about this topic (such as it was) took place in the wake of those interviews (also the one he did when Brian Wheeler).
Of course, it’s just negotiating through the media, and it’s no big deal.
Point is: I wouldn’t place Quick at the center of this controversy.
Agreed
that concerned me.
I actually wonder if his agent was playing him too. Roy doesn’t negotiate with the blazers, his agent does and it’s possible that messages become garbled like a game of telephone.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
No problem
I have no problem with what Quick did whatsoever. Let’s get something straight: Jason Quick is the “Team Insider” and Joe Freeman is the “Beat Writer”. It’s his job to get the goods, he provides the rumors and in this situation he was updating us with the negotiation process. It is a good thing to have a local writer giving you the information that you would read on ESPN Insider or Woj (who is a complete tool).
Ya, he probably exagerated a couple of times in that first article, but in his opinion, Roy was getting low balled and it was bad form on the Blazers part for dragging this out. Roy is just as valuable as Chris Paul is to the Hornets and as Williams is to the Jazz and they were both signed on the first day possible so it was a bit alarming that all of this was not over money but one lousy player option . Why is it that people can say whatever they want on Podcasts and on Talk Shows and not have a post written about them, but the second a Team Insider gives us some information that people were already a bit baffled by, it gets critisized.
Quick is a great writer, and you mentioned that in your post Ben. But as a huge Blazer fan, I personally like it when there is someone out there who is close to the team giving us inside information on everything going on. I like to stay updated, and the guys from ESPN, Yahoo, SI and other big outlets simply can’t give that to me.
by Jones for 3 on Aug 6, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
neither Williams nor Paul was signed on the first day possible
though both did sign considerably earlier in the process than Roy. And who’s to say there wasnt the same or even more wrangling over the negotiations of those two guys – just because we didn’t hear about it publicly doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
i doublechecked
I might be wrong on Paul, the article of his signing was published July 9, 2008, which may indeed have been the first day possible. Williams didn’t sign until 7/18 though.
More important to me – both those guys took the LeBron/Wade approach and went 3 year extensions with a 4th year option, whereas Roy went 4 and 5. I like that both our player and our team wanted the longer deal
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
It made sense for Lebron/Wade/etc.
to do shorter deals. At the time of their extensions their respective teams weren’t built to be contenders down the road. Taking a shorter contract put the pressure on management to build a title contender.
Roy has no such need to do that, as there is no team with more potential than Portland.
LA
has some nice potential next year. I’d even argue it’s better than portland’s.
yes, I know… i’m going to the special hell. At least all my friends are there.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I think as fans we over value the
“signed on the first day possible” idea.
We see Roy as the main man on the team, and he earned the max, the Blazers should offer that and have it ready to do so at the first possible moment. But as a team GM, KP has more on his plate that Roy, or any other extention. The Blazers have 2 full years to lock up Roy long term, where as they only had a few weeks to go after this years FA with their cap space. Logic says, go after the FA now and lock up Roy and LMA later. To that many fans will say, “that shows disrespect toward Roy and LMA!”. This is complete fallacy in my view, at the most KP should have had a short talk with Roy and his agent, in which he would convey his thoughts about how important Roy is and how KP and the Blazers want him to be a Blazer for life. But at the same time he would also make them understand there are more time constraints on him for FA’s, help which Roy will need, and because of that, their contract talks will have to wait to be completed.
CP3 signed on July 9th, the first day allowed, Williams signed later.
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it wasn't all Quick
i do recall Brandon saying he was going to make a public statement, which he never made.
yes
you are correct.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
to be clear
I heard Canzano say that Roy was going to make a public statement, which Roy never made.
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I never did hear about the follow up to Roy's statement.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I somewhat suspect
that KP or “others” at blazer central gave Roy a call to reconnect on the personal level and destroy the panic/firestorm that was brewing. third hand information can be very problematic.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
of course
I’m speculating but it’s what I would have done and KP has yet to show he’s an idiot.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
lol @ the Rolex joke
I like Quick but I think he got a little Canzano-ish on that one. Mostly I think people were bored and looking for something to talk about. I don’t really see anything unusual about the negotiations at all.
Blazer Fan
yeah
just that people freaked out about it.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Quick"est" is not always best.
Jason Quick wanted to get his story and point of view out first. That was not the best idea in this situation.
Quick was wrong when he wrote "Nothing, absolutely nothing, has gone right for the Blazers this summer. "
The summer wasn’t even over. He just couldn’t wait to take another stab at the Blazers and KP while aligning himself with Brandon Roy. It is almost like he wants the team to make mistakes. His information about the contract was what he heard from one side.
Quick also wrote “Word is that Roy wants to sign for the maximum allowed five years, but the Blazers only want to commit to four years. A five-year deal would cost Portland about $82 million, although it won’t be determined until the 2010-11 salary cap is set.”
He was wrong. The Blazers wanted 5 years not 4 years. Roy wanted 4 years with a player option for a 5th year.
That article is full of half-truths and not one quote from a person involved except for one word from Kevin P., the word “toxic.” That is not good journalism. Jason Quick would be good at working for the Enquirer. A beat writer is supposed to report the facts, but his desire to be “first” made the Blazers look bad. There was no need for this. It was as if the Blazers were the same old bad guys and were making all of these mistakes.
Quick was the one who made the mistake.
Do you have a link to when KP said the word toxic??
Because I recall that as an unnamed Blazer source
not that it, if this were true, would invalidate your point, in fact it would bolster your position
"My avatar picture is of the favorite vehicle I ever owned" -Me
You are correct
It just reads that "Sources say the Blazers are putting together what they consider a “toxic” offer to Utah’s Paul Millsap, a restricted free agent power forward. " So, I don’t know who even said that other than “sources.”
There have been jokes behind the scenes
that Quick was going to buy Ben a Swatch for all the posts about how awesome Quick is.
i used to love all those swatches!
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Hey Ben -- a question
You say that you were more alarmed by the media mob that followed the story than by possibility of not signing Roy. What did Quick think about all of the hysteria? Do you know?
Nice thoughtful piece, by the way. I lubs it when my journalists get thoughtful.
I wasn't worried we would actually sign him
I knew that worst case scenario would be we get close to the deadline and the team finally says “we were stupid, here’s 5 years.” The only way we wouldn’t resign him is if it took so long he went into “screw you” mode and wouldn’t sign. But Odom wouldn’t go to the heat for a few million less to say screw the l*kers, so I can’t image Roy giving up all those years and guaranteed money (plus he’s just too classy for that). It was more that I was just bothered that the organization would do that. It’s more about the message and how you treat your players.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
Great article
Dear Ben,
That was a fantastic article. The comments on the media were so insightful and so rare. That is the perspective it is hard to find in any reporting. Thanks.
As for JQ, we all have to remember there is an insatiable thirst for news about the Blazers here in Portland. Even if the hungry masses are just going to trash it as made up news, it would kill them more to have no story. You all (fans) expect JQ to feed this never ending hunger and then you complain about the food on your plate. Just saying. Take a step back.
In his position he is the ONLY reporter in Portland right now. He out scoops about everyone who writes for the Oregonian or Oregon Live. Maybe its a fine line to walk bewteen journalistic ethics and an exposure to stardust, but you want him on that line. Yes, I’m going to write it. You need him on that line.
Frankly in this case he was right. What’s fascinating is how much of an effect his opinion had on the other news media.
Not only poor judgment on Quick's blog post last month
but he didn’t even get the situation right. Quick reported that “Roy wants to sign for the maximum allowed five years, but the Blazers only want to commit to four years.” Didn’t we just find out that the opposite was true? The Blazers were willing to commit to five years but didn’t want to give Brandon the ETO that could shorten it to four years. Of course they gave in because Brandon held all the leverage, but seems to me Quick was just plain wrong, and his error led to a whole lot of unfair criticism of the Blazers as being cheapskates with their franchise player. Seems worthy of a mention from him, if not an apology or retraction.
source?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Is it just me...
or has it been a little too quiet today concerning Roy?
maybe a trade is in the works
he always was a little bit of a trouble maker.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Media feeding fans fears in a perfect storm
Even after an anticlimatic draft, Portland fans were feeling good about the team. That is until, Hedo Turkoglu chose Toronto over Portland. Even if you didn’t want Turkoglu, you still wanted Portland to be the one to reject him…not the other way around. So now we are all wondering…is Portland really a place that free agents want to play? And to make matters worse, the Blazers publicly displayed their love of Turkoglu which made the whole situation even more embarressing. Nothing like making an extreme romantic gesture, only to get publicly rejected, to make one want to crawl under a rock.
Then the story breaks that Brandon Roy wants to be in Portland for 5 years, but the Blazers don’t want to give him that opportunity with this contract. We fans and media, say “how dare you Kevin Pritchard and the Vulcans!” “We’re all feeling insecure right now, b/c Hedo spurned us. We want security, and we want it now!” Give him anything he wants! Now you get the national media involved which makes it all the more embarressing. And suddenly Kevin Pritchard is a failure and an arrogant jerk. Then the truth comes out about the holdup on the 5th year player option, but by that point everyone has made up their minds that Kevin Pritchard and Paul Allen are trying to screw Roy over. And this prompts calls for fans to sign up for one year contracts, b/c if the Blazers can’t show any long-term loyalty to Roy, then why should fans show any long-term loyalty to the team?
Eventually, we lose out on Paul Milsap and now everyone’s become an armchair GM. No one will have us.
Well guess what folks? In the end it all worked out. We got our playmaking free agent upgrade. And we signed Roy to the long-term deal that was going to happen all along. But we are fans. And that makes us irrational. We won’t learn our lesson. We never do. The next little thing will get us upset and we will be certain that we are headed back to obsecurity. We go on the emotional roller coaster, that’s what we do.
but in the end
Roy got the same max deal that it would have taken me an hour to negotiate. Yes, I was pretty sure that the team would eventually come around as they did, but we were not wrong to point out that it took a month longer than it needed to.
Or another way to look at it is...
it happened 11 months before it needed to. It’s all persepective my friend.
disagree
The Blazers could not enter this season with “Roy’s a FA next summer” hanging over the team. It had to get done, or it would have been an ugly cloud over 2009-10.
Let the Cavs, Raps, and Heat deal with the heartburn.
And guess what?
He did get signed before the season started. I agree it is preferable to have him signed before the next season starts. It creates a sense of security for Roy, the Blazers and us fans. But then again, it is true, that Roy was extended 11 months before he became free agent. IMO, that’s not awful, if you look at it that way.
Sorry to get all Depak Chopra on you, but one perspective creates anxiety and depression, while the other does not. If we step back and take a look at the larger picture does it really matter when Roy signed the extension? Will we even remember when he signed his extension 2 seasons from now, after he’s collected his first full year of the new contract?
Not well said
Look it is all well and good to hindsight 20/20 this now that Brandon is signing but he is a pivotal figure for the Blazers squad and I understand people have reactions either way (meaning: OMG the sky is falling OR OMG calm down no it’s not) because of the stature he has on the team.
This elitist nerdhose of “Geez how dare you not know as much as me about what the team is going to do ‘cause I’m so connected” is just as ridiculous as the over-reacting from the “GIVE BRANDON THE KEYS TO PAUL ALLENS MONEY VAULT” crowd.
Just stop it, okay. People should be allowed to freak out and discuss it on this site just as much you should be allowed to put tape on your glasses, push them up on your nose and then tell them how paranoid they are for ever doubting Blazers Mgmt. Frankly if there is no room for discussion on these things, then why don’t you just take down this site and go host a WOW fansite. Because what is the point? An UBERGEEK inside fanboy site for those that are already so well versed on everything Trailblazers that they don’t even need to come to the site?
STOP IT. Just provide news, promote discussion and be the calm voice without ubergeeking the holier than thou crap. If I wanted a lecture I would talk to my mommy.
Thanks, but no thanks.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
I disagree...Well Said!
I feel that Ben has done a good job of providing information in the past. However, the point of this article was to bring into question the form and accuracy of today’s media. Whether there is truth or not, is where he has left it up to us to decide. He has just as much right to criticize the people as we do. The only difference is his real name is posted with his posts and it goes to his credibility.
Personally, I like to have articles every so often that bring in the whole picture that than a few paragraphs giving a report like we can’t get that from at least 5 different sources anyways. Not only was J Quick questioned about what he wrote, but he has also praised him for his work. Very contradictory, so it is left to us as a reader to decide for yourself.
A good journalist will still provide there voice at one point or another. If you don’t like it, then do not watch/read/listen to it!
thanks
well written reply. I was stumbling but you summed up nicely.
I think at some point we all just look at the world differently and we’re not always going to agree. It makes the world interesting even if, at times, i want to bang my head against my desk.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Tools and Fools.....
If it wasnt for other sports writers I dont think J Quick would have any one on his side. Same goes for Cazanno – how else could they get votes for any sports related awards – locally or oh my god nationally. They are both tools in my opinion – and since i am an adult I can hate whoever I please.

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