The Official 2009-10 Prediction Thread
Having crossed the border from August to September we bid adieu to the dog days of summer and start looking forward to the opening of the next NBA regular season. We're going to start our journey towards opening night with the official prediction thread.
This is your chance to weigh in with your guess as to how many games the Blazers will win this year. Don't just throw out a number, though. Give us some idea why they'll win that many games and not more or fewer. In addition feel free to channel your inner Nostradamus and throw in any other predictions you care to make about the coming year.
Remember to bookmark this thread for reference throughout the season. If you haven't predicted it here, you haven't predicted it officially. Blazer Nation awaits your brilliance!
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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2nd seed
with all the improvement and the addition of martell and andre, this team will be unstoppable. Greg will be a beast. Everyone will exceed expectations and flourish with the early light schedule. They will be a hot team going into the playoffs and will knock of the lakers in game 7 of the WCF in ten year anniversary style en route to the title in a 6 game series with Cleveland, beating kobe and shaq in consecutive series.
Rip City. can't be stopped. 09.
by BlazinTrails on Sep 1, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 13 recs
Who can argue?
I’m sure you mean 2nd seed in the Conference and 1st in our Division.
quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur
well that goes without saying, but yes I did mean that.
Rip City. can't be stopped. 09.
by BlazinTrails on Sep 2, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
61-61
Roy-25 5 6 All-star 4th in mvp voting 2nd all-nba team maybe 1st
Aldridge- 19 9-2 All-star
Oden- 13 10 1 All-star maybe
Miller- 14 4 8
Batum- 8 6 1
Webster- 10 5 3
Blake- 6 3 6
Fernandez-11 3 4
Outlaw- 10 4 2
Pryz-6 9 1
Dante- 4 5 0
Bayless- 5 2 3
Pen- 3 2 0
the Blazers score 131 points per game lo.l or 134 not sure
Blazers are second in west 61-21 close race with Lakers who are 63-19
Blazers beat Lakers in 7 very close games lose to Clevlend in 6
59 W's
I think we will improve in wins, but not a crazy jump. The addition of Miller is enough to give us a few more wins, keeping in mind that we won a lot of close games last year. It will get easier to win, but we won’t make the jump to a number #1 seed.
Wild Guess
Blazers win enough games to take NW Division Title, 57-60 wins. The media no longer doubts Greg Oden. Batum stands up and hits some game winning shots. Blazers fans are irked that LA is not included in the All Star game. LA responds by dominating Gasol in last game of regular season. Blazers reach western finals.
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i want to wait until preseason so we can get an idea on the conditioning/health of Oden and Webster
but for now, I’ll go with 58. The Blazers played like a 56 win team based on point differential last year and Andre Miller should provide a significant upgrade. Backup PF is a concern, but it would be hard to be worse than Frye was last year. The Blazers will be in a dogfight with Denver all season long for the division (with Utah not too far behind), and I think the Blazers pull it out by 2 games.
I think that's fair
They are two key cogs in this teams success.
I'm in the business of bringing out the best in people.
actually, I don't think a healthy Webster adds more than one win (if even that).
an improved Oden playing ~2500 minutes could push the Blazers up above 60.
Honest Homer
Blazers get to 62-63 wins this year. Miller helps out. Webster comes back better than ever. Batum continues his progress he started last year, continued in Europe. Lamarcus makes all star. Oden is improved but only averages 13 and 10…still a presence on defense.
They get the 2 seed, behind LA.
The Blazers then shock LA in 6 games and beat Boston in the Finals in 7.
It’s the first of several.
LA fans never show their face on a Blazer board again.
by BlazerNation on Sep 1, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
lol
I think it’ll take more than 1 title for that to happen…remember that Kobe has 4 rings now. 1 title and you Blazer fans are finally invited to the grown ups table to have a civil discussion. Until then, make sure to wear your bib and DON’T FEED THE DOG ANY FOOD!
Insane Homerism
64 wins, 7.3 ppg margin of victory
Only a couple of home losses.
Player……..Minutes…..Points……..Rebounds……..Assists
Roy…………37…………..23…………….5…………………5
Aldridge……37…………..18…………….8…………………2
Oden……….28…………..10…………….9…………………1
Miller………..31…………..12…………….4…………………7
Webster……24…………..11…………….3…………………1
Blake……….20……………9……………..2…………………4
Fernandez…24…………..10…………….2…………………2
Outlaw………21…………..11……………4…………………1
Batum………12……………3…………….1…………………0
Pryzbilla…….20……………2…………….7…………………0
Bayless………6……………4…………….1…………………2
Pendergraph…5…………..2…………….2…………………0
Cunningham…5…………..3…………….1…………………0
I’ve done this for the past few years, and every year I miss the one guy who misses most or all of the season and unbalances all the numbers. Last year it was Martell, the year before it was Oden, the year before it was Joel. Let this be the year we don’t have that happen, and 64 wins maybe will.
by baduk on Sep 1, 2009 12:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think you underestimate Oden & Batum
Look for Greg to average 31-34 minutes, 11 points and 10.5 rebounds. An improved Batum will play around 26 minutes and garner 9 points and 4.5 rebounds. Outlaw may not last the season.
by Trutherlizer on Sep 1, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If Greg plays 31-34
he will certainly score more than 11 ppg.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
seeing as he averaged 9 in a little over 20 minutes this year, he’d average at least 12-15 in 30+.
"If the Lakers are Hollywood, then we are South Central." - Clipper fan.
Right
And that is if he doesn’t improve.
Or it could be said another way — if Greg isn’t better than that offensively, I would be surprised if Nate gives him that many minutes. If Greg isn’t a step above Joel on offense, he’ll only get 28 mpg, and Joel will get 20.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
If Greg has a counter post move that goes over his right shoulder, Nate feeds the post, and Andre finds Greg about once a game for an oop, then he becomes a legitimate threat to go for 18 in 32 minutes. Completely and utterly raw he averaged about 13 per 32 minutes this year.
"If the Lakers are Hollywood, then we are South Central." - Clipper fan.
This is very true
I am not tempering my expectations for Oden. I am just going to believe the big fella when he says he wants to be dominant, that’s exactly what we’re going to get. Whether that’s a huge offensive leap this year or increasing levels of offensive production over the years, I don’t really care. I expect Oden to be more like Bill Russell than Wilt the Stilt or Shaq. More like Bill Walton or Robert Parrish than hakeem the dream or the admiral David robinson.
I don’t expect Greg to be an offensive beast(statistically), but I do expect him to be able to pour it on when his team needs. Greg is the enforcer, the initiator of the break (through rebounds and defense), the late finisher, the wear the other team down guy. Portland has enough scorers on the team that I expect Greg to not have to average 20+ or more points per game. That’s not partical. I expect more something of 16 points per game over his career. So hopefully, the team uses him, but not like Shaq or wilt or David or Hakeem or Ewing, but like Russell or Walton or Parrish.
I'm in the business of bringing out the best in people.
Dude
Your total # of minutes is 270 but it should be only around 240. I don’t think the Blazers will play in 98 overtimes this year.
Might want to scale back a little?
Injuries will mean some players will miss some games
so averages will be higher than 240.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
Thanks jscot
That’s a good point. According to 2008-09 stats the total # of minutes was something like 294…partially skewed by Martell “averaging” 5+ minutes a game. I guess I was reading Baduk’s list with the assumption of it being a regular rotation rather than end-of-year figures.
Also thanks to you Baduk… :) Good stuff.
baduck -
I’m still working on my individual predictions for the year, so I can’t directly compare mine with yours completely quite yet. But initially, we look to be about on the same page – I have Roy at 22.9 PPG, 4.4 RPG and 4.3 APG. I have Aldridge at 18.8 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 1.8 APG. Etc.
I’m a little surprised at your ‘low’ numbers for Batum – I’ve got him at 19.4 MPG, 5.5 PPG, 3.2 RPG and 0.6 APG.
by Storyteller on Sep 1, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nic
I think a lot of people look at Batum and see what they want to see.
He’s a raw, thin kid with great defensive instincts, a good understanding of the game, and very limited NBA caliber offensive skills. His role in the offense last year was largely to spot up and shoot three pointers, some of which he made. If Webster is back, he’s better at that. Will Batum develop into the second coming of Scottie Pippin? It’s certainly possible, but at this point he’s just a young guy with a lot of upside.
I think he’ll get into games for his defense, but I see his minutes taking a big hit this year behind Webster, if he’s healthy, and Outlaw.
I seem to remember...
him dunking on Gasol a couple of times last year.
He’s never going to be a low post presence, but he’s got serious slash/pullup capabilities.
If he can shoot free throws consistently, he should be able to get to the line often as well.
by LicketyBrindle on Sep 1, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody works harder than Nic.
Your statement is basically correct IMO. Fans see future potential in Nic, and thus, he is often viewed more favorably than his performance on the court warrants. Personally, I love the kid!!! What can’t really be predicted but has to be considered is his rate of improvement. Nic works hard on his game. He’s the first one in the gym, and the last one to leave according to Wheels (or Barrett – Can’t remember which). That work ethic will pay dividends. It’s just hard to predict when it will happen. Unless Nic is a complete bust in training camp, he will probably start. Nate and his “old school” way of thinking and his his desire to have firepower off the bench will likely result in Nic retaining his starting position with Martell coming off the bench like Travis did last year.
I’m not sure how his minutes will take a hit, though. He played like 12 minutes a game last year, didn’t he? OK, I being lazy and didn’t look up his playing time, but it wasn’t much when everyone was healthy.
Regardless, Nic will improve greatly. And if he never quite meets some people’s expectations, it won’t be due to lack of effort. What more can you ask from a player?
Love the homerism but...
I don’t see Bayless and Cunningham matching Batum in less minutes. Way to be positive though!
One column I don't have is games played
I expect Batum to play in nearly every game.
Bayless, Cunningham, and Pendergraph play in 15-25 games. So in the games they play, they are likely in at garbage time, and their number correspond to that.
This has us averaging 118 points per game.
Our offense should be good, but that’s overreaching by a lot. I’m thinking closer to 96-98 ppg and giving up 92-94.
It's more complex than that
Averages are for games played, not against 82 games.
Not every player plays in every game. So guys near the bottom who play rarely don’t add much to the season average. Ever regulars don’t play every game. I see the Blazers averaging just under a hundred points this year also, though.
Second or third best record in the Western Conference
Yes, San Antonio has gotten better with the addition of Jefferson & McDyess and the L*kers have not gotten worse, but no other team in the Western Conference has the room and likelihood to develop like the Trailblazers.
Portland has improved at point with Miller and at SF with the return of Webster. That’s like adding two quality FAs. In addition, barring injury, Batum, Oden, Aldridge & Rudy, young and hungry, will improve. The team has a year’s experience and a frustrating first round playoff loss to put behind them. They know the importance of gaining home court advantage in the post season.
They will win 60 games and lose 22, finishing behind L.A. and possibly S.A. for best Western Conference record. They will reach the Western Conference finals.
And that’s the truth.
one thing we need to keep in mind about young players...
is that less that 100% of them reach their potential.
As much as I’d love to see Batum, Oden, Aldridge, Rudy, Bayless, and even Roy all improve, and as much as each of them has the potential to improve, it’s more likely that at least one, probably two or three of those guys, will plateau.
And things end up linked in weird ways. For instance, I think if Batum continues to improve in perimeter defense, Oden’s minutes will go up, and he will improve. Miller’s floor smarts ought to help with this too (I know he’s not a great defender, but he is good at directing opponents out of their comfort zone and in to other defenders.) But if the Blazers remain basically clueless on the defensive perimeter, Oden will struggle with fouls again, and thus will struggle to get a feel for the game, and it will be another frustrating year for the big guy.
I’m not sure what to expect from Rudy. Is he working on his driving/slashing game? Opponents will know that he’s deadly from 3 and not leave him out there like they did this year.
I don’t expect Bayless to get enough playing time to develop much this year.
For Aldridge, it’s all about his head. He doesn’t have to improve – he’s the #2 guy, and going to be, no matter how much better he gets. It becomes an issue of pride and drive. Does he want to be known as one of the top 3 power forwards in the league? He can be. It’s up to him.
Batum is a guy who’s going to wait until he’s given a role. I think the Euro games this summer showed us he has more to offer. This becomes a lot about Miller, a little about Roy. Will they work to get him involved on offense? Will they yell at him if he just hangs out in the corner? He’s not going to call for the ball. He’s going to wait for the guys with the ball to call him out. We’ll see if that happens.
I watched just about every game last year, but only a few the year before – and none before that. So Martell is a big question mark to me. As stated above, I think perimeter defense is one of the biggest issues for the Blazers, and is key to the development of Oden. So someone tell me – is Martell a solid defender? Or does increased playing time for him instead of Batum mean Oden’s hanging out to dry more often than last year?
by LicketyBrindle on Sep 1, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I posted this on a message board I go on
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Northwest Division
1. Portland Trail Blazers (No. 3 Overall)
Gained depth at PG in Andre Miller, plus Martell Webster will be healthy again after missing entire 08-09 season, and with Oden and Nicolas Batum improving, the Blazers are my (admittedly biased but still very realistic) pick to win the NW division.
2. Denver Nuggets (No. 4 Overall)
Still a pretty strong team. Lost some depth (Dahntay Jones and Linas Klezia) which is why I don’t have them repeating as division champs.
3. Utah Jazz (No. 6 Overall)
Basically the same team as last year. Solidly in the playoffs but not finals contenders.
4. “Oklahoma City” “Thunder”
The Zombie Sonics are going to be sick in a couple of years. This year they’ll still finish in the lower end of the division, but look for Durant to cross over into the Kobe/Lebron/Wade stratosphere (I’m not joking. He’s a complete stud).
5. Minnesota Timberwolves
Not good at all last year, and I don’t see anything that got them better over the summer.
Pacific Division
1. Los Angeles Lakers (No. 1 Overall)
Artest was a high-risk/high-reward signing but I think that if there’s any combination of superstar/strong coach that can keep his eccentricities in check, it’s Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson. Still the team to beat in the West.
2. Phoenix Suns (No. 7 Overall)
Should play better together with Shaq gone. If Amare Stoudemire is healthy they should make the playoffs.
3. Golden State Warriors (No. 8 Overall)
I like these guys a lot, very young and diverse in talent, but the West is too stacked for them to get a higher seed.
4. Los Angeles Clippers
Got rid of Zach Randolph, which is always a good thing, and Blake Griffin is going to be great, so on paper they could potentially make a playoff run. However, they’re the Clippers. They’ll find a way to screw it up somehow.
5. Sacramento Kings
Awful and not getting any better.
Southwest Division
1. San Antonio Spurs (No. 2 Overall)
Adding Richard Jefferson could be dangerous, considering they gave up essentially nothing for him. They would be the clear favorite to reach the Finals if Duncan and Ginobili weren’t such huge question marks, injury-wise.
2. Dallas Mavericks (No. 5 Overall)
Shawn Marion was a great signing for them. They’re a solid team, and the fact that they won’t make it past the first round says more about the rest of the Western Conference than it does about them.
3. Houston Rockets
Yao is out for the season, Artest signed with LA, McGrady is still out and we don’t know when he’ll be back. I like some of the young guys on this team (Scola, Brooks, etc.) and I love the Ariza signing, but that stuff is going to play out later on. I wouldn’t expect much from them this year.
4. New Orleans Hornets
No depth beyond CP3. They got the better end of the Chandler-Okafur deal but considering the kinds of upgrades the rest of the West teams made, that isn’t enough to get them back into the playoffs.
5. Memphis Grizzlies
Biggest joke in the NBA, hands down. Their front office is a disgrace…they gave away Pau Gasol to the Lakers for nothing, and then a year later they’re willing to trade for Zach Randolph and give him essentially the same money. Genius.
First Round:
Lakers over Warriors in 5
Spurs over Suns in 5
Blazers over Jazz in 6
Nuggets over Mavericks in 5
Second Round:
Lakers over Nuggets in 6
Blazers over Spurs in 7
Conference Finals:
Lakers over Blazers in 7
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Northeast Division
1. Boston Celtics (No. 3 Overall)
Rasheed Wallace gives them more frontcourt depth. I can’t bring myself to predict them making the finals because Garnett’s knees are too much of a question mark.
2. Toronto Raptors (No. 8 Overall)
The Turkoglu contract was terrible in the long run (have fun trading the last two years and $20 million of that when he stops being good a few years down the line), but for this year he’ll help them out. I don’t see them getting much higher than the 8th seed, but they’ll make the playoffs. And then when Chris Bosh bolts next summer they’ll go right back to being a mediocre lottery team.
3. New Jersey Nets
The Carter trade will be great for them a few years down the road, but I don’t see them doing much this year.
4. Philadelphia 76ers
Nothing to get excited about with them. Andre Miller was a huge piece, and he left for Portland. Not going anywhere.
5. New York Knicks
Not only are they terrible already, but they might lose David Lee and Nate Robinson, all in the vain hope that they’ll somehow be able to convince LeBron and Wade to sign with them in 2010, which is NOT happening.
Central Division
1. Cleveland Cavaliers (No. 1 Overall)
LeBron and Shaq, enough said.
2. Chicago Bulls (No. 6 Overall)
These guys are young and promising. I like them a lot. The East is too top-heavy for them to make it past the first round, but they’ve got a good thing going.
3. Detroit Pistons
Let Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess walk and sign with better teams, overpaid for Charlie Villanueva, overpaid even more for Ben Gordon who has to share minutes with Rip Hamilton and Rodney Stuckey, signed Ben Wallace for no apparent reason. They barely finished at .500 last year. They’ll be lucky even to do that.
4. Milwaukee Bucks
Gave away Richard Jefferson, let Villanueva walk, probably not about to re-sign Ramon Sessions either. They were mediocre before, they’re mediocre now.
5. Indiana Pacers
Nothing at all special or interesting or promising about this team.
Southeast Division
1. Orlando Magic (No. 2 Overall)
Vince Carter and Brandon Bass are both terrific pickups. Rashard Lewis missing 10 games with the roid thing costs them the No. 1 seed.
2. Atlanda Hawks (No. 4 Overall)
3. Washington Wizards (No. 5 Overall)
Atlanta and Washington are my two sleeper picks. Love both of these teams. Washington will be dangerous if Gilbert Arenas is as healthy as people say he is.
4. Miami Heat (No. 7 Overall)
Wade alone is good enough to get them into the playoffs, but no depth.
5. Charlotte Bobcats
No chance of making the playoffs.
First Round:
Cavs over Raptors in 5
Magic over Heat in 4
Celtics over Bulls in 7
Wizards over Hawks in 7
Second Round:
Cavs over Wizards in 5
Celtics over Magic in 7
Conference Finals: Cavs over Celtics in 7
FINALS: Lakers vs. Cavs. I’m going to abstain from picking a winner in this series right now, but it will go into 7 games regardless.
MVP: Dwyane Wade
RoY: Blake Griffin
6th Man: Lamar Odom
Defensive Player: Dwight Howard
Most Improved: HOPEFULLY Greg Oden
Coach: Stan Van Gundy
Now some Blazer-specific ones
*They will finish 58-24
*Brandon and LaMarcus will both make the All-Star team
*Oden is going to be rough for the first 20 games or so and then find his groove and average around 13/10 for the rest of the season
*Blake and Outlaw will both be traded at the deadline. Possibly Bayless too if a solid PG is available
*Batum will ultimately get the permanent starter role at SF after a battle with Martell, who will still bounce back from his injury to be a solid contributor
nice way to maintain blazer fandom and give some daps to lakers at same time! me like!
my prediction is spurs face some injury problems and dont make that far…
to me the question is can blazers pull above the rest of the pack… like make it UNQUESTIONABLE that they are better than the jazz/hornet/rocket/mavs pack (2-9) and not just to blazer fans. this is the year they can make it totally BELIEVABLE to themselves and the nba nation that they are right behind lakers and are ready to overtake them in the next year.
You predict that the Warriors make the playoffs and the Hornets don't?

by MiledAnimal on Sep 1, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
so what happens if he ends up right and you're wrong
does that mean he has to send the fail back to you?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I will personally unload all those containers
if the Warriors make the playoffs and the Hornets do not.
The Hornets added a healthy Emeka Okafur to replace an injured Tyson Chandler. Chris Paul is the best point guard in the league and a top-five player. They’re solid at three positions, four if Peja can give them 30+ minutes a game. They’ve been a playoff team the last three years. They’ll be in the playoff mix, if not a contender.
The Warriors are a mess from the owner on down. Don Nelson is a lame-duck, gimmick-oriented coach. Monta Ellis may never be as good as he was, if the rumors about his injury are true. Stephen Jackson announced this week that he wants to be traded. They have no true point guard and a dearth of size and talent on the front line. They’ll struggle to stay above the Kings this season.
The warriors are in for a long season
And the Hornets drafted Collison who is one of the most NBA ready of the pg’s in this years draft. He’ll provide plenty of depth behind CP, who will play 38-40 a game anyways.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
remember Miled: this is the thread that we are to bookmark, for predictions.
OK, odds are in your favor. But if the unexpected happens, you’ll have a sore back. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
60 wins on the nose.
6 ppg margin of victory. 2nd seed in the west ( in a ferociously close race with Denver and S.A. ). Western Conference Finals, that ends in a game 7 in L.A. with a L@ker victory after Nicholson runs onto the court with the game tied, the ball in Roy’s hands, and 5 seconds left. Jack runs over to Brandon and screams at him, forcing the refs to call a T on Roy with 0.1 seconds remaining on the clock. Kobe makes the technical FT for the W.
When Asked why he deserved a T for Jack Nicholson screaming at him, Tim Donaghy ( who was taken out of banishment for this one game, citing conspiracy theories from the rabid Portland fan base ), replied “Brandon, It’s Jack freakin’ Nicholson. If he’s yelling at you, you must have done something wrong.”
I think the Blazers will just barely exceed
what they over achieved last year. I think 56 wins is likely. Second in division. Third in the west, ahead of Spurs and behind Denver and LA. Second round after squeaking past either the Mavs or Jazz. Lets say Mavs. Second round loss.
LMA 20-10 all year.
Oden struggles until all-star break and then has a killer second half.
Andre clicks right from the start of the season.
Martell has a respectable season, but Batum becomes the clear star at the 3.
Rudy a close runner up for 6th man of the year.
Backcourt game - 24/7
by pxilpooshr on Sep 1, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If all that happens...
Oden has a killer second half… Andre clicks from the start… Martell has a respectable season… Batum becomes a star…
The Blazers will improve their win total by a lot more than two games. The Blazers were better than their win total last year, looking at point differential – not worse. If they only improve by two games despite even a couple of the things you mentioned happening, it will be because of an injury to Roy or LMA, or a step back in Roy’s game (say, his PER drops from 23-24 to around 20).
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
56-58 Ws
Third or fourth in the Western Conference.
Greg will start out slow, but by the end of season will become a solid 25-30 minute guy, nearly averaging a double double.
LaMarcus won’t make the All-Star team, despite having a solid season.
Brandon will finish 3rd in MVP voting.
Nic will start, Martell comes off the bench, Rudy will be awesome like always but not as a point guard, Jerryd will fade into the background unless there’s Steve or Miller gets injured
Are we there yet?
Right on the nose.
This team is better than last year’s. But, I think the potential increase in the wins column will be offset by the potential losses from having significantly fewer opponents on the second of their back to back games.
there will be a bit less easy money at home this year.
I think the rest of your analysis is spot on also.
59 wins
Our improving chemistry will help us get through poorly played games. Miller will flourish with the likes of Rudy, LMA and Webster as his targets. Oden will improve through Miller through countless easy dunks through lobs.
Roy’s stats will decline but only because he doesn’t have to single handedly win games for us. He will become more efficient (it’s hard to imagine) and will be healthier due to sharing the load. He will still be an All-star again.
I miss Martell. Come back soon!
62 wins
37-4 at home, 25-16 on the road.
Greg Oden provides an offensive threat from the center position, and improves on his fouling. He’ll play over 75 games this year, averaging 14/10/2 in 28 mpg.
Joel has another good season, but will miss some games due to injury.
Steve Blake starts (at least at the start of the year) and continues to shoot the 3 at a high percentage, but Andre Miller plays more minutes.
Martell doesn’t have a great start, but by mid-season he is starting to show flashes of being a key player for us.
Nic shows improvement offensively, and gets more minutes.
Utah surprises most pundits by finishing second behind us in the NW.
We get the #2 seed behind the L@kers, but lose in the second round in seven games to the #3 seed, the Spurs, who get healthy for the playoffs, crush LA in the WCF, and win it all in a hard fought battle against Boston (if healthy) or Cleveland.
One to watch — Jerryd Bayless may surpass Steve Blake on the depth chart by the end of the season.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
by jscot on Sep 1, 2009 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Very well said
We might even get one more victory with these assumptions. Since you have expressed most of my predictions I will piggyback, if I may, on yours with these additional points to ponder:
1. The team improved after the All-Star break in nearly every statistical category:
Defense: - improved defensive rebounding margin by 3.8 per game
- improved defensive efficiency by 3.12 points per 100 possessions
- decreased opponent 2FG% by 1.3%
- decreased opponent 3FG% by 2.2%
- decreased opponent AST by 2.4 per game
- decreased team PFs by 1.8 per game
- decreased opponent scoring by 3.5 points per game
Offense:
- decreased opponent defensive efficiency by 2.1 points per 100 possessions
- increased Team 2FG% by 0.8%
- increased Team 3FG% by 0.1%
- increased Team FT% by 1.4%
- increased Team eFG% by 0.6%
- increased Team points in paint by 3.0 points per game
- increased Team FGA by 1.6 per game
- increased Team scoring by 3.4 points per game
- increased Team AST by 0.7 per game
- increased opponent PFs by 2.3 per game
2. The rookie minutes will decline by over 50 minutes per game (allowing 15 min per game this year). As the improvement between rookie and sophomore seasons is known to be most dramatic league-wide improvement year, this factor should continue the improvement in 2009-2010 shown by the post-All Star break numbers shown above. [A quick comparison of data at basketball-reference.com (top 200 rookies and sophomore scorers over the past 10 years) shows an 25% improvement in scoring a 22% increase in FGA, a 27% increase in FTA, 18% increase in rebounding, 23% increase in assists all with an 18% increase in minutes played with a FG% increase 45.4% to 44.2%. Maybe best of all only a 11% increase in PFs.] This improvement, along with Andre and the two mature rookies, will help replace the departing Channing and Sergio, both rather inefficient on both offense and defense.
3. The togetherness factor I believe plays a huge part in team play. With the entire starting 5 returning intact and significant time with 3 returning rotation players plus Bayless these men will only need to integrate Andre, and to a lesser extent Cunningham and Pendergraph, into a system already well established and successful. The trust factor and the familiarity factor with fellow teammates and their strengths will improve efficiency even more of offense and defense.
All these factors with the factors you list push the team into the low 60’s in wins this year (63 is my conclusion but 62 is close enough to be together).
I won't be overly surprised if we win more than 62
We were a 60 win team that last third of the season.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
perhaps... sometimes those "we are this kind of team the last so and so games" stuff isn't always extendable the next season.
so who knows.
You are certainly correct
The reason I am optimistic about it extending is because we are a young team, and young teams tend to keep improving rather than regress.
So I am viewing the strong play at the end of last season as probably indicative of real and sustainable improvement rather than just a hot streak.
But we can’t know for sure — it’s just probabilities.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
ya... i agree in general
BUT everyone once in awhile you will get that “young team on the rise” for a year and then randomly they fall off map next year for whatever reason. the last one for me was the hornets who finished 2nd in west and almost knocked off spurs in 2nd rnd. and then the next year due to whatever (injuries, disgruntled players, lack of ownership support) regressed. im not sure they can recover that same kind of energy.
can you think of others? i think i remember one time i though of other examples. bdavis warriors perhaps.
Chicago a couple years back
It happens, no doubt about it.
There are many, many reasons to be very optimistic about this team, though.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
I don't want to predict until preseason is over, but ...
Sept 1 predictions
58 or 59 wins – Injuries will cost us 60 (who? don’t know, but someone)
We Win NW Division
2nd in Western Conference
We Lose in WCF’s to Lakers in 6
Roy makes All-Star Team, LMA not
Batum starting again at SF by Dec 1
Outlaw Traded
Bayless stays (but hardly plays) unless included in Outlaw trade
Rudy averages 27 minutes, plays 6 minutes per game or more at PG by end of year
Far-out, Long shot prediction – Oden named to All-Star Team by Coaches if Duncan voted on as PF.
Oden averages 31 minutes, 14 points, 12 rebounds. 2.0 blocks, and is a major defensive presence that earns him the all-star vote from the coaches.
Ok, more realistically he averages 28 minutes, 12 points, 9 rebounds, 1.5 blocks, and I’ll still be happy watching him in the rookie/sophomore game.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Sep 1, 2009 1:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
61 wins
its a little high but i think they can do it.. martel is coming back, i dont expect that to make to much of a difference. oden dropped a few pounds and should have a much more productive season.. he did miss 20 some games last season so that should be a couple more wins. batum spent a lot of time playing this summer, so he shouldnt be as big of an offensive liability this season, therefore his excellent defense should be on the floor for longer. dre should add a few wins… outlaw is working out this summer, so thats good. and as a whole i think the blazers are going to be playing like they have a chip on there shoulder from the early exit from the playoffs. i expect roy to be on a mission.
The blazers will get the second seed. denver didnt do much this offseason. jr smith is suspended a few games, kleiza is gone, i expect them to only get 50 wins or so.. spurs are going to do as good as everyone thinks, more than likely someone gets injured. dallas is going to slow down, nowitski especially, and kid should have retired by now.
blazers will make it wcf and will bring the lakers to game 7… unfortunately i dont see the blazers taking the lakers this year. next year for sure!
by jpaulson on Sep 1, 2009 1:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
61-21 is my number too
I am looking for some incremental improvement in Oden and Batum. I expect LaMarcus to be slightly improved, SO LET’S GO AHEAD AND PAY THE MAN. The small-forward battle will result in improvement in all three players involved. Miller is a significant addition at point guard and will free up Blake to excel at his specialties and not be all things to all Blazers. Oden-Outlaw-Roy-Rudy-Blake can outscore most lineups that they play against, and Przybilla-Aldridge-Batum-Roy-Miller is a good defensive unit.
I predict that the Blazers will run up against the Lxkers in the WCF and lose in 7 hard fought games. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
We have to wait a year for that
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
We will win 61 to make it fun
I think the team growing up will be a +2
Oden will give us a +2
Andre will give us 2; making the second team a fast break unit.
It could be lots more but there are lots of tangibles that can’t be factors in.
magnumpi
by BBK on Sep 1, 2009 1:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I got last season right, or maybe I said 55. Either way I think I got a good estimate. I think
the Blazers win 58 games next year. 2 or 3 wins got away from Portland that should have been wins, but we also got some to go our way. So there is 54 wins at least assuming that happens again. I think we win at least 4 more game just because Portland will be so much better on the road. We are going to pick up those games @ Philly and @ Charlotte. We will also probably win a game in LA, and I know we won’t lose all 4 games to Dallas.
The Blazers could have won 60 last year had they taken care of buisness on the road. So that’s why I’m going with 58. I do think we could reach 60, but I know it’s possibly going to cost us a couple games as players gell and injuries happen.
59 wins
Greg Oden will not improve enough for the haters to stop calling him a bust
Joel P will start more games than Greg Oden
LaMarcus makes the all star game
LOSS in WCF
2nd seed
we’ll have a fight when we play the lakers
Brandon finally gets national recognition
Lakers will defeat us game 7 of WCF again
Love.
55 Wins the Division, 60-62 Wins the Conference
55 wins the division outright in 2009; it stands to reason that it will be sufficient for 2010.
Predicting wins is hardly science. So lets apply a little artistic intuition:
1) Denver, in one of its best seasons ever, barely beat the Blazers by virtue of a tie breaker. It isn’t unreasonable to foresee no improvement by Billups or Anthony, and it isn’t unreasonable to foresee regression by key players (especially along the front line). Without question, the Nuggets are not as deep and still have combustibility issues. Denver feels like a team that could implode.
2) Utah is going to be better by virtue of health. Boozer can play. However, it will be a positive sign for the Blazers if Utah is the major competition for the title.
As for results outside the division, who cares? Take care of the NW, secure first/second round homecourt advantage, and see what happens in the playoffs.
I can tell you that 2nd or 1st in the West = legit title contender, and I think that happens this year.
You think the Lakers are stepping back that many games?
60-61 games is likely to be nowhere near the conference winner.
The Lakers might be better next year, not worse. Artest won’t help them, but a healthy Bynum would. A lot. The Lakers could easily have three players with a PER over 20 plus Odom plus Artest. If Shannon Brown or Farmar steps up, like they’ve both shown major flashes of doing, they could flirt with 70 wins and possibly break the record.
Or… Artest could burn down the Staples center while wearing nothing but boxer briefs, or Kobe could be indicted for trying to kill him, or he could be indicted for actually killing Kobe. Either way.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Yes, the L@kers could get near 70
They also could significantly drop off.
Adding Artest is a significant gamble.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
ive thought about this some more...
and frankly i think the lakers are good enough to withstand any meltdowns from artest… sort of like the shaq/kobe stuff…
sort of also like how i think one of the blazers small forwards/bayless will get disgruntled but it wont hurt team success in the end.
If the meltdowns are off-court you are right
The danger is that they lost a solid role player, and if Artest doesn’t fill that hole, they will be a weaker team than last year.
It is possible that a healthy and productive Bynum would compensate for any weaknesses at SF, though.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
ya thats what i was thinking... they could still make it happen even if artest detracts from them...
bynum really just needs to give them 10,9,2, and they would be pretty devastating. He gave them nothing in a championship year.
also... forgot to add...
ive heard the opinions on the artest/ariza swap and obviously the stats show that lakers lost in that one… which you are clearly aware of…
BUT… ive been saying that its an interesting thing, nothing to do with stats just my observations, while Artest can no longer guard the quick 2’s like Roy, Kobe, and Dwade, he has surprising success against the physical threes (melo, pierce, and lebron (even though lebron’s game depends on quickness i know)… and those physical threes just happen to be the down the stretch closers for their respective teams who just happen to be the lakers main contenders. I guess if portland makes the leap it becomes a problem but i could see kobe just having to work harder on that one…
so ya i know the stats have to do with ariza’s offensive efficiency but i think artest can hit enough wide open threes and bother the main closers as i was saying and they can get it done. not saying ariza isn’t the better choice just that it wont cost the lakers in the end me thinks
I think a mentally solid Ron Artest makes them better
without a doubt.
And that’s why they made the gamble. They think he’ll be under control on court.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
61-21
Roy-25 5 6 All-star 4th in mvp voting 2nd all-nba team maybe 1st
Aldridge- 19 9-2 All-star
Oden- 13 10 1 All-star maybe
Miller- 14 4 8
Batum- 8 6 1
Webster- 10 5 3
Blake- 6 3 6
Fernandez-11 3 4
Outlaw- 10 4 2
Pryz-6 9 1
Dante- 4 5 0
Bayless- 5 2 3
Pen- 3 2 0
the Blazers score 131 points per game lo.l or 134 not sure
Blazers are second in west 61-21 close race with Lakers who are 63-19
Blazers beat Lakers in 7 very close games lose to Clevlend in 6
Did anyone notice?
Dave posted recently that regular season wins don’t matter, it’s the playoffs.
Now, he asks us to make regular season predictions.
And he doesn’t make any predictions himself.
I’m losing my faith in this Dave guy. He probably doesn’t even live in Portland. You can never trust those guys.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
I've noticed time and again...
he’s a total rabble rowser! I bet when he was a kid his mom had to hold him back from poking sticks through the bars of the lion cage or throwing rocks into the gorilla cage.
I got my gloomy crystal ball out tonight: 55 wins due to slow start with Miller and Roy having to iron out the kinks, armageddon in Dec with 5 game losing streak, then the team starts clicking

It’s all about Texas this season
Win in season home opener against Houston
Difficult stretch in Phoenix, Orlando, Miami, Dallas, San Antonio, Denver, Philadelphia sequence in December leads to a ton of “Fire Nate” and “Trade Everybody” posts.
The new year brings a new and improved team harmony
Loss in WC-semis vs. San Antonio (or was it LA? So murky. Nah, I saw white jerseys)
Brandon and LaMarcus make the All-Star game in Dallas
As does Durant. Oden does not, but after more doubting questions from local and national writers angrily dominates the rookies-sophomores game.
Martell still doesn’t have his breakout season. Nic does show impressive progress for part of the season.
Everyone expects a big trade at the deadline, but in the end it turns out to be something like Juwan Howard for Malik Allen.
One rotation player goes down with injury for a long while. My crystal ball doesn’t tell me who, but I can predict that BE will panic.
P.S.: The new smaller commenting window designed for mobile sucks! How hard is it to reformat the site when recognizing a phone?
There's Gotta Be More To Life
by Norsktroll on Sep 1, 2009 3:23 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
57 wins
we finish with the 3rd seed(behind L* and san antonio). We upset L* in round 2 in 5 games(all home games are a blowout for us and we squeak one out in la) . then lose a tough(every game but one is decided by 5 points or less) 6 game series to the spurs in the wcf. the spurs move on to beat boston in one of the greatest defensive finals ever(also known as boring for the casual fan) again in 6.
the biggest rise for a team in the west is the clippers, who fire dunleavy mid season and make a push for the playoffs only to fall a game short. griffin is as good as advertised and b diddy gets motivated again.
the biggest fall in the west is the jazz. with boozer and okur eyeing free agency the team quits on their coach and fall into a downward spiral that not even d-will or millsap can save them from.
the biggest rise in the east is the wizards. with arenas healthy all season and a few role players added this offseason they make a serious climb all the way to the 5th seed in the east.
the biggest fall in the east is philadelphia. After losing their floor general(to the greatest team on earth) they struggle with consistency(already a bit of a problem for them) they have games were they win big against good teams but just as many were they lose badly to bad teams. they struggle with mediocrity all season finishing 5 games out of the playoffs.
other things: the shaq experiement doesn’t work out in cleveland and they end up 3rd in the east and are bounced in the second round. shaq says some bad things about lebron afterwards(i know, i know, shocker)
houston stays afloat(somehow) only to get yao back for the playoffs and lose all continuity and the series(badly)
new orleans continues to sell off players for cap space. it becomes so bad that chris paul say “this is not what i signed up for.” their front office replies with “chris was just joking, haha, he does that sometimes. He’s not going anywhere.”
OKC still sucks, then gets a high draft pick, then bill simmons writes a 1000 word article on why they will be the breakout team next year.
ppl who get traded: amare, john salmons(again), rip hamilton, mike dunleavy jr., raymond felton(if stil with ’cats), redd(finally), almost the entire knicks team, josh howard, boozer, and a couple meh players(like always)
some of this may sound absurd but i was going for the gold on these picks
I want to say 55 wins but I'll be optimistic and say 56 wins
Blazers lose in the first round to New Orleans fans react by blaming Outlaw who will have been playing for Miami since the trade deadline.
I prefer to lose even against LA. I would like to avoid the NO announcers victory speech at any cost.
by amlmart1 on Sep 1, 2009 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is so important that
I think it should be said twice.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
...be said twice.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
...said twice.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
...twice.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
…
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
The sad thing is the NBA fails so much at delivering the games to people
that everyone on the boards was watching the N.O. broadcast and heard their announcers. If we had been able to watch the blazer broadcast, we would not have known. The Hornet fans would remember the loss, but not the stupidity of the announcers, because many of them wouldn’t have followed the blazers closely enough to know they lead the league in 4th Q comebacks.
I really doubt we come back if CP3 doesn't get hurt
but it was still stupid, wasn’t it?
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
I'm ALREADY blaming Outlaw...for whatever
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Sep 1, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
56 wins
3rd seed.
1st round win
close 2nd round loss to the spurs – 7 games
the big surprise is that no mid season moves are made – outlaw and blake finish the whole season. batum remains the starter at 3. miller is the clear starter at point. martell is the odd man out.
oden continues to have foul problems and while the starter splits minutes near even with joel. his numbers looks a bit better than last year except he plays the 75 games.
wins
58 wins NW champ and they get in the WC championship but lose in 7 games
57 Wins
35 Home
22 Away
Division Winner
3rd in the WC
Brandon the only All-Star
More “quality” wins, fewer last second heroics required, we put away the teams we should, with 5 mins to go in the 4th Nate gets to rest Brandon, LMA, Andre.
Rex gets some regular minutes at garbage time.
2nd round of the playoffs.
Nostradamus Has Left The Building...
I’m not so good at predicitions. I think this is going to be a hard season to call. We will know a lot quickly, see how this team starts the season out.
I think this could be a dream season, or very disappointing very quickly. As we’ve rebuilt we’ve been afforded the luxury of being the young team on the rise, and thus a lot of sins were forgiven automatically. But now we have a veteran PG core, our long term star in Brandon Roy and all the other sub plots and players involved. This is really going to be a put up or shut up season.
It’s easier to be the new guest arriving at a party, it’s harder to be at that party and keep it going. Last season it was generally accepted that we arrived. Now the expectations are to maintain that level and improve.
I think we clearly have the talent to accomplish this, but we still are young team and most of our improvement is going to come from the development of existing players. Too hard to predict what type of seasons a Batum, Webster or Oden might have. They all could have break out seasons that really propel The Blazers to a higher level, or any one of them or all of them could struggle. It’s a cop out, but I just can’t predict anything….except it should be a fun season to watch.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
55 wins. The team will be better, but the schedule will be a little tougher. Opponents will be circling the Blazers on their calendars this year. The other teams won’t be softened up by back to backs like last year.
Even though I made a win total prediction, I am not sure win total should be the goal. I think winning the division should be the goal. The Blazers need home court, which is an obvious advantage for them.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
56 wins, bounced in the second round
that’s my non-homer prediction. my homer prediction is a Finals appearance.
Blazer Fan
55 Wins. Brandon will improve a little bit, but will produce at about the same rate. Lamarcus will continue to produce 18 – 8, though expect a little more consistency. Greg will still have quite a bit of foul trouble, but will be able to play about 30 minutes a game. Overall I think we’ll be the third seed behind the Lakers and Spurs.
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
my last.fm
I predict...
awesomeness.
I dunno about wins…I’ll say 57 just to have a number out there.
My main prediction is the same one I made last year, and I’ll keep making it ‘til it’s true. LaMarcus – 20 & 10.
I also predict a new beard fad in Portland, spawned by another “won’t shave til ________” committment by the team. Soon all men, women and children will be sporting beards. Some of them will be fake. Some you will wish were fake.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on Sep 1, 2009 7:40 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
59 wins
it will take one more season to crack the 60 win barrier. We are still too young. Projecting anything but improvement is a sign of over-confidence, and over-confidence is the key to disappointment.
I do think regardless of the win total, Portland might be able to pull off a first round playoff series victory, assuming they match up with Utah.
Everything comes gradually and at its appointed hour--Ovid
Uneven season, 56 wins, lose in NBA finals
I predict an uneven season. With everything clicking and everyone healthy, the Blazers average a 9 ppg margin of victory. Rudy’s game becomes more well rounded, Batum is a much better offensive player and a more reliable defender. Oden plays more minutes and is a terror on the boards. LMA settles for fewer jumpers. The Blake-Miller point guard rotation is far superior to the Blake-Rodriguez one. The Blazers team rebounding is ridiculous. It becomes a major focus of opponents.
Unfortunately, the Blazers will suffer a few key injuries and become . occasionally complacent. Roy misses 10 games. LaMarcus misses 15 games. Pryzbilla misses 20 games. Greg misses 10. Without Roy, the Blazers are fairly straightforward to defend. Without LaMarcus, Pryzbilla, or Oden, the inexperience in the back-up PF and C is exposed.
Fortunately, the Blazers are healthy for the playoffs (and maybe even sign a veteran PF just for the playoffs). They play like they do during their best stretches during the regular season. The Lakers lack the drive/health to repeat. Kobe doesn’t look like the same player by May; the years of wear start to show. Duncan and Giniboli have lost enough that the addition of Jefferson doesn’t really matter.
The Blazers lose to the Cavs in the NBA finals. The Cavs center combination plus LeBron is big enough and tough enough to negate the Blazers usual dominance on the boards. Cavs win in 6 games.
61 wins
We’ll win the division and earn the #2 seed in the west.
Oden will start slow, but will end strong averaging 14 and 10 on the year.
Miller will thrive and realize how good this team is, compared to the 6’ers.
Bayless will make the jump into the rotation at some point and Blake and Outlaw won’t make it to the end of the season (maybe just #25).
Aldridge will get his extension that’s loaded with incentives, which if he hits, will put him near max.
Roy and Aldridge will make the ASG.
We will make it to the WCF and lose to the fakers in 7.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Sep 1, 2009 8:22 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
52 wins
I think the west has gotten better, it will take time for Roy and Dre to learn to play together.
Games in LAC, GS, and even in Memphis won’t be as easy this year as they were last (who am I kidding, those Memphis games will be just as easy!).
I think the Blazers win the NW Division, and finish with the 2-3 seed.
For the record, I don’t think LA will win 60 games this year, nor will anyone in the west, I think all of the top teams will win a few less games (with the Spurs holding steady) and the worst teams in the west gaining a few games.
I think the Blazers will win the first round of the playoffs. I hope they make it to the WCF, but we will see.
56-26, Western Conf. Finals
We will win the division and get the 3rd seed, then knock of San Antonio in the 2nd round and face LA in the WCF.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
58-61 wins
2nd round of the playoffs. 2nd seed, contender status.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Since it's official: 53 wins
I think if everything works right, we could win 60, but that’s a lot of things to work right. Oden needs to be Oden for 30+ minutes a game. Miller needs to fit right away. Blazers need to avoid injuries. We need to win the games that we’re supposed to win. We need to win out on the road.
I don’t think all of these things come together this year. But enough of them do for us to reach 53 wins, which puts us into a good playoff position. Sure, that’s not as good as last year. But last year so many things came together that might not happen as well this year (like catching so many teams on back-to-backs). It’s not that we’ll be worse than last year (we wont), but that things will just work out this way.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
58 wins for Portland
Eastern Conference playoff teams
Boston – 63 wins
Cleveland – 60 wins
Orlando – 58 wins
Atlanta – 49 wins
Chicago – 44 wins
Miami – 44 wins
Detroit – 40 wins
Washington – 40 wins
EC Lottery Teams
Toronto – 37 wins
Philadelphia – 33 wins
Indiana – 32 wins
Milwaukee – 32 wins
Charlotte – 28 wins
New Jersey – 28 wins
New York – 25 wins
Western Conference Playoff Teams
LA Lakers – 62 wins
Portland – 58 wins
San Antonio – 57 wins
Denver – 55 wins
Dallas – 51 wins
Utah – 49 wins
New Orleans – 47 wins
LA Clippers – 40 wins
WC Lottery Teams
Phoenix – 38 wins
Houston – 35 wins
Oklahoma City – 33 wins
Golden State – 32 wins
Minnesota – 22 wins
Memphis – 20 wins
Sacramento – 18 wins
You had me until you put the clippers in the playoffs.
I know they made some big improvements this year by moving Zach for Griffin, but their coach/gm will be their undoing. Baron and Mike don’t see eye to eye, and Baron seems to really hate playing for him. That is your leader there, and your coach, that will not make their team better. I can’t see them winning more than 35 games.
Phx or Houston, are much more likely to push for that last spot.
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Good points
I agree that Mike holds them back, otherwise I’d have them at 45 wins with their talent. It’s just my prediction….
Wow...toronto with 37 wins?
I guess not adding Turk turned out to be a good thing for us huh?
PER has to be useful...I'm sure it helped determine to keep Batum after Summer League
i think i read something somewhere where baron took responsibility for last years stuff and seemed to be motivated this year.
not saying its gonna happen but i would give the clippers slightly more chance of succeeding than you seem to suggest.
I'll say 58 wins.
I think people underestimate just how hard it is to get 60 wins in the NBA. Only the truly outstanding teams each year can get there. It’s been said here before but it’s important to remember that the jump from 41 to 54 wins was difficult, but the jump from 54 to 60 is twice as difficult. Teams will be gunning for Portland now. This is no longer a team under the radar.
That being said, even with the possibility that the Blazers overachieved last season, it’s hard not to think that there won’t be at least a slight improvement in the win column this season. A few reasons why this is the case:
1. The team is a year better, not a year older. That’s the luxury of having a young team on the rise. Another season in the league brings nothing but improvement for the young fellas. I don’t know how Roy could improve much, but historically, players at his age continue to improve their game and get better for another few years. That alone should be worth a few wins.
2. The return of a healthy Greg Oden and Martell Webster. Now, I’m firmly entrenched in the “Batum is the SF of the future” camp. But you could do a heck of a lot worse than Martell as a backup. Instant offense off the bench would be nice from him, but I’d be satisfied with consistent play and a few points a game. He’s been out of action for a while now and probably will need at least a couple weeks to catch up to full game speed. We’ve all heard what Greg’s been up to with the USA Mini-Camp and his workouts in Columbus. Any offensive improvement from him is huge, but the real thing that should make Blazer fans salivate is his increased knowledge of how to control the paint. Last season he was a difference maker down low defensively with his athleticism and size alone. With improved footwork and court vision, he could be one of this league’s elite interior defenders. It’s still a work in progress, but the foundation is there for a monster.
3. Andre Miller. I really like what he can do on offense. He’s not a bomber, but he’ll set up his teammates well along with finding his own buckets. Even a slight improvement on defense at PG over Blake is a welcome addition.
Still, even with all of these possible additions, I find it hard to believe that this team is now a title contender already. I certainly hope that’s the case, but I still think they’re a year away. Portland should definitely make the second round of the playoffs this year. Whether or not they get to the conference finals depends on who they play. I think they can beat just about any team in the West in a playoff series outside of LA and SA right now. Even though talentwise I think Portland is better, I think the playoff experience of the Spurs would be hard to overcome. If they can avoid either of those teams in the second round, the conference finals are definitely within reach this season.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I’ll guess 58-24, losing in a 6 game series vs. the Lakers in the conference finals.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
BTW, where's Dave's prediction?
Asking all of us to put numbers down officially without doing the same himself? Tsk, tsk, tsk…..
Dave said...
that he prefers to talk about where the team is currently, rather than the future. I suspect he will chime in with his win total towards the end of the season. He will likely be correct, although perhaps not eerily so.
:-)
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
he always does it after us
he picks the best ideas and then strings them together so he looks like a genius.
frankly, it’s genius.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
He could have just asked me
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
Kings v. Blazers
Sergio will explode and drop 31-11-8 on his old team.
59 wins
Win the division
2nd in conference
Make the WCF
Beat the F*kers all 3 times this year
Roy and LMA make the All-Star Team
Roy is 2nd team All-NBA
LMA is 3rd team
Greg starts to shine
So does Batum
Martell or Trout is traded (prob Trout)
Bayless wins praise due to his play when another PG is injured
Joel stares down Shaq at least twice
"The playoffs now are my grind. My grind for a championship,'' Roy said. "Whatever needs to be done to get there I'm gonna do it.''
by Quik_Baller on Sep 1, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am gonna be conservative.
I think they win 54 games this year, but they win the division.
by BlazerFanFromDenver on Sep 1, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions
63 wins, NW champs, lose in WC finals to Lakers.
We’ve improved an average of 11+ games each of the last three seasons, so nine more wins does not seem like such a stretch because:
- Continuity. We lost a few minor pieces and gained only one significant player in Andre, who has no pressure to perform at an All-Star level for the team to succeed.
- Harmony. Blazer team chemistry continues to be fabulous, while some of our competitors (Lakers with Ron-Ron, Jazz with Boozer, Mavs with Marion) may have issues.
- Growth. Our young team is maturing. Brandon and LaMarcus start their fourth season. Greg, Rudy, Nic, and Jerryd have a full season under their belt. Miller, Blake, and Przybilla are veterans. And none of our rookies will see significant minutes.
- Age. Not ours, but our opponents. A lot of them have players moving past their prime.
- No lineup holes. Our reserves could beat a lot of teams by themselves.
- Martell. How excited would we be if we had acquired him in the draft? He’s our #1 pick this year. We don’t know for sure how he’ll do, but he has the potential to regain the starting small forward role, which would be a tremendous accomplishment and a big lift for the team.
- Brandon. Our guys believe in his skills and leadership.
by MiledAnimal on Sep 1, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
look for the bullet holes and you'll find MiledAnimal every time
63 wins! I hope you’re right! – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
i'd bullet point
if i wasn’t so darn lazy.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
your sentences make a crapy acronym
i mean… what’s a chgamb?
hmmm maybe “channel game basketball” condensed to a license plate?
Doesn’t realy work for me though.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I wish I'd thought of that!
I could have gone with
- Continuity
- Harmony
- Age
- Martell
- Power (I’d have made something up), and
- Succotash (ibid)
succotash
a secret ingredient in many recipes for championship. Also a very funky record by Herbie Hancock and Willie Bobo. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
I like how you have a way of making whatever I throw stick to the wall, Elgin.
I had succotash for the first time a few weeks ago. Tasty!
53 wins
Roy continues his rise to superstardom by making his 3rd consecutive allstar team.
LMA will be considered for the allstar team, but ultimately won’t make it.
Greg Oden will be average at best offensively, but will change how other teams play with his defense and ultimately contribute positively to the team on a more consistent basis.
Andre Miller will prove to be a good addition for his leadership and decision making abilities in the clutch.
Marty the Viking will settle into a consistent 3pt threat off the bench
Batum will continue to start
Travis will not be smarter than a 5th grader, and will post youtube videos of himself not being able to dribble with his left hand. (wait, that already happened). Really, that this guy once sat down with JC and said he wants to be an allstar is laughable. He can’t even start over a 20 year old Euro.
Dante Cunningham will get limited minutes and his deficiencies as a short power forward will make him borderline useless unless he bulks up and out powers people.
Jeff Pendergraph will take on the role of Shav and MAYBE see spot up garbage time duty.
KP will get exactly what he wants out of his team, and all transactions that occur around the trade deadline will be exactly how he foretold they would be. He will also walk on water, but someone in attendance will spot Gob hiding behind a curtain and realize it’s all an illusion.
Rudy will continue to hustle, and continue to play his way out of Portland since no one is unseeding Brandon as the starting 2.
Most importantly, they’ll make it to the second round of the playoffs and be eliminated in a 6 game series by either the Los Angeles Lakers (notice the respect with out the lame *) or the San Antonio Spurs.
Fine, the OLP album grew on me. It's defiantly change.
Travis is probably smart enough
to know how to spell L@kers.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
Last year I predicted 50 wins (and everyone thought I was crazy)
I think I’ll go with a best/worst case scenario…
Worst case:
52 wins. 4th seed. 2nd in division. Lose in 2nd round of playoffs to the fl*kers.
Brandon goes to his 3rd All-star game (voted in by coaches) and finishes 7th in MVP voting. He averages 22/4/4
LA and Greg do not make it to the All-star game.
LA averages 18/7
Greg averages 10/9
Best Case:
61 wins. 2nd seed. 1st in division. Lose to the fl*kers in the WC Finals.
Brandon goes to his 3rd All-star game (voted in by fans!!!) and finishes 2nd in MVP voting. He averages 25/5/5
LaMarcus goes to his 1st All-star game (voted in by the coaches)
He averages 23/8
Longshot: Greg goes to his 1st All-star game (voted in by the coaches)
Greg averages 16/10
Other predictions:
Batum will win the starting SF spot.
Andre will win the starting PG spot
Greg will win the starting C spot
Blazers will have the best home record in the west.
by jenstcy on Sep 1, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I thought you were crazy last year
I knew they would win more than 50.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
58 wins.
Roy: Will plateau slightly, but still put up great numbers: 23.7 points, 4.7 assists, 4.5 rebounds. Will obviously be an all-star, but not voted in by the fans. That will be a coaches decision.
Aldridge: Tough to say. He could either coast like he has the last two years, or this could be his break out year. I predict 18.7 points, 7.6 rebounds, 2.1 assists. No all-star appearance.
Oden: Will improve, but wont be our savior. Foul trouble will continue to be an issue. 25 minutes, 11.8 points, 8.7 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 4.1 personal fouls.
Batum: I hope and pray this year will be his coming out party. This is the prediction I expect to be most incorrect, but color me an optimist when it comes to my boy Batum. 24 minutes, 9 points, 4.5 rebounds. Obviously a lock down defender.
Outlaw: Yet another consistently inconsistent year for Outlaw. No defense, no off hand dribbling. 26 minutes, 12.3 points, 3.8 rebounds.
Miller: I expect his production to fall off, but only slightly. 28 minutes, 12 points, 5.5 assists.
Blake: With the presence of Miller, his numbers will dive as well. 20 minutes, 7 points, 3.8 assists.
Przybilla: I expect him to be fiesty as ever if he plans to opt out of his contract. I have a feeling this will depend on his production. 23 minutes, 5.8 points, 8.2 rebounds, 1.4 blocks.
Rudy: It’s hard to pencil him in due to minutes, but he’ll continue his hot stroke. The problem is, I still don’t see him having an increased role on the team. Minutes for him will remain the same, at best. 25 minutes, 9.7 points, 2.5 rebounds, 38.9% 3-point shooting.
Webster: Who the heck knows. I’m not even going to bother to guess. This guy has never lived up to my expectations and his flashes of brilliance (24 points in a quarter!) aren’t enough for me to make an educated guess on how he’ll do this year, especially after not having played competitive ball in 18 months.
Team Predictions: After 58 wins, I see the blazers getting home court advantage in the first round and beating their 1st round opponent. I see them losing to the 2nd round opponent.
Baby steps.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Wow.
I just added up the total number of points scored based on my predictions… apparently I think the blazers will drop 110 points without counting for Webster or ANY non-rotation player (cunningham, bayless, pendergraph).
Sounds like I’m pretty optimistic :o
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
On second thought.
I added up average points scored by every player and it added up to 111. So maybe I’m not that far off.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
ya, i mean people are mainly talking about outlaw as trade bate round here...
hes the one guy people are wiling to relinquish… like bayless and rudy are for some reason untradable for more proven talent. not saying thats wrong cause they may higher ceilings… but im sure other gms think that to and aren’t dumb.
When I look back on 2009-2010
I see a 59-23 season for the Blazers, which was good enough for the NW division title and second seed in teh west, behind the L@kers. The Blazers cruise through the playoffs, until they meet the L@kers in the WCF. The series goes 7 games, with “he who shall not be named” hitting a 3 point prayer at the last second to win the game and series.
LA is a 20-10 guy all season long and is named as a reserve to teh all star game.
Oden is no longer labeled a bust by anyone whose opinion counts (which means Bill Simmons will still be ragging on him.) He will be a beast on the boards and will be in the top 2 in blocks.
It will take a month or two before Miller blends in with Roy. The team record will actually trail that from last year for several months, before everything clicks and the Blazers are THE hot team in the league from the all star break on.
Roy’s scoring average will drop by a point or two, but he will make his annual all star appearance.
The battle for the starting SF spot will be intense. That will be the matchup in practice that I’d love to see.
I also see one of the following being traded during the season: Outlaw, Blake, Rudy. If I had to pick, I;d vote for Outlaw, but it will be dependent on what KP can get in return.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
58-24, winners of the Division, 2nd seed in the West, get to the finals
Month-by-month:
- Blazers start out strong, going 15-4 to start the year, including an 8 game winning streak snapped by Utah in the last game of the month.
- December we go 10-5, with a tough road trip to FLA and TEX.
- January is a very tough month, but we win a couple of big games and get through it at 9-6.
- Feb: 8-5
- In March we start to put it all together, and go 11-2.
- April we go 5-2
I did predict us going 15-9 over the first 24 games last year, spot on, and much better than most predicted, so I feel confident being optimistic…
Playoffs:
With the second seed, we’re able to win the series against a 7 seed (I’m predicting LA, Portand, SA, Denver, Dallas, Utah, NO, and… maybe even the Clips can get in the playoffs this year)…. So after beating New Orleans in 5, we get San Antonio. In a war, home court proves decisive as we outlast them in 7. We then face LA for the Western Conference title, and, in a shocker, steal game one and close it out at an absolutely insane home court in 6 games. The dream season then ends with a 7 game loss to Boston, with the home team winning each game (This is my dream matchup, as I’d go to a victory parade, just have to fly for one of them)…
Individuals:
Oden is elected to the All-Star team, and grabs the Most Improved Player award with a healthy 14/10/3 block average for the year.
Roy is elected to the All-Star team, and in only 32 mpg, still averages 20 with 5 and 5.
Andre Miller nearly surpasses Rudy as the hometown favorite, and is selected as an alternate to the All-Star game, with a gaudy 11 apg average.
Rudy plays the 1, 2 and 3 and leads the team in alley oop dunks, 3 pointers, and minutes off the bench.
Travis is traded in Feb. for a 4/5 veteran banger who greatly helps us go on a 16-4 tear to close out the season.
Nate is finally selected as Coach of the Year.
56-26, Division Winner, 3rd Seed
Tied record with San Antonio but we lose tie breaker with the Spurs either on head-to-head or conference record against playoff teams.
Where´s the poll?
Last year 64% of Bedgers predicted 50 or less wins. I bet this year 64% or less of Bedgers predict 61 or more wins. And we call us homers. I predict 64 wins for next season. I dare you to call me homer.
by amlmart1 on Sep 1, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would be interested in a poll that was just
More wins than 08-09, Less or same wins than 08-09.
I bet 90%+ would be in the more wins camp… but I am in the less.
I think the team will be better than last year, but I don’t think the schedule is as friendly, I think the competition in the west has gotten better (crap teams are now mediocre (Griz, GS), mediocre teams are now barely contending (LAC), contending teams are now challenging LA (SA). Add in the fact that we have to integrate possibly up to 3 new starters in to the starting lineup (Oden, Webster, Miller) and I could easily see us stumbling out of the gate a bit at around .500
I just think 54 wins was a VERY impressive feat, and taking a minor step back, to say 52 wins, is entirely possible. I still think 52 wins gets you 3rd seed in the west.
I will go on record saying that the L@kers won’t win 60, I would put them at 57, and SA will be at like… 55. With us at 52, Utah/Denver/Dallas at 50 and no one else eclipsing the 50 win mark.
I think the Blazers and Lakers will be
the cream of the Western Conference crop this season, with both teams winning over 60 games, and the Spurs, Nuggets, Jazz, Hornets, and Mavericks a level below.
man i hope so...
but do you see the same quality of play in the playoffs? like as in the blazers go deep and the spurs dont?
I see the Blazers taking a step forward at least, and it might be a big step.
They’ll have a top-four seed — #1 or #2 if my 63-game prediction is true — so they’ll have the homecourt advantage in the first round and possibly, with 63 wins, throughout the playoffs. They won’t waste the homecourt ad this time and I expect they will easily move to the second round.
The second round gets dicier to predict, because we’ll be facing another top-four team who might have the homecourt ad over us if we win fewer than 60 games. Not that the Blazers couldn’t win such a series, but a team with a higher seed is generally a better team and might be more than we can handle. If we have the homecourt edge, we’ll win and move into the WC finals unless our opponent is riding a hot streak.
I can’t pick the Spurs even to make the WC finals now because I think age and injuries are finally catching up with them, but they’ve made a lot of similar prognostications look silly the last few years.
I’d like to see the Spurs and Lakers play each other before the winner meets us in the WC finals. That could easily happen if we are the #2 seed and they are the #4 seed because Pop paces his players during the regular season to save them for the playoffs and it isn’t likely they’ll have a top-two seed. It could just as easily turn out that we have to play them before facing the Lakers if we are #2 and the Spurs are #3.
Worst case, we lose a hard-fought second-round series.
Best case, the sky’s the limit.
so...
i really dont see the sspurs making it happen this year despite all the hoopla. a non-jkidd RJ has never inspired me… and i dont see injuries clearing up…
as for the blazers… i can see the in-season success your talking about, but ya i agree with you past the 2nd round is dicey and hard to predict. I can see blazers getting into a dogfight in the 2nd round with hornets/denver type even though blazers are actually better. experience might make the difference with blazers losing a long series. who knows though.
can you even BE a homer if you live in Spain?
64 – awesome! I hope you’re right too! – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
106 wins.
nate is fired after the 3rd preseason game and roy is named player coach. everyone makes the all star team. roy is mvp. cunningham is rookie of the year, rudy 6th man, oden most improved, paul allen hires me as a person to talk to during the game.
fire nate before its too late
Yeah he hires me to talk too, but all I say is
Poppa Ooo Mow Mow Poppa Ooo Mow Mow-mow over and over again in the background.
Backcourt game - 24/7
I hate doing this before summer league, but okay
62-20 regular season because injuries happen. A healthy team with everythign clicking could easily be 72-10, but it’ll take a while for the team to really click and people won’t be healthy.
If the blazers can handle the changes with the lakers they make it to the finals. If not, their run stops when they hit the lakers.
If the blazers make the finals and have a let down in one game, they lose due to some calls that Blazer fans consider horrible. Finals go to 6 games regardless.
Aldridge doesn’t make all-star as a PF and only makes it if he’s somehow considered a center or if his stats are in the 25/10 range which he hasn’t shown he can do night in and out. He competes against Boozer, Duncan, Stoudamire. I don’t see him beating those guys out (although duncan would likely be center).
Aldridge always seems to start the season slow and then start bursting around the end of the season. I’m going to predict the same pattern although I’d be ecstatic if he could bust out at the beginning of the season and improve from there. Doing that he has a chance at all star and the stats required, but he’s yet to start a season hot.
Roy improves on his scoring by about 2 points and averages 5-6 and 5-6.
Blazers take division and are ranked #2 in west.
Blazers make a trade with Outlaw or Webster Mid Season. the player in return will drop jaws.
Webster comes back and improves slightly.
Oden comes back and still looks slow and clunky but manages to improve his foot work. People will continue to call him a bust despite the fact he’ll start to average 12/10 and the fact he’ll change games for us. End of the season I can see him around 16/10 and real improvement will happen after the all star break when he gets a breather. People will stop calling him a bust and instead say that he shouldn’t have been the first pick because they forget what he was like playing ball in college with one hand.
The Blazers will go on a little losing streak on the road and people will call for Nate’s head because he’s not substituting right. Close losses will be blamed on Nate or the Ref’s.
Bayless will see little playing time and people will continue to grumble about him being a bust. Rumors may even come out that he’s voicing displeasure. The good news is that he’ll start to look good and people will be grumbling because he’ll start to show a consistent game that’s worth playing. The trade may change his playing time. If so he’ll show that he’s not quite ready to really lead the team but has qualities that are tantalizing and full of potential and he can make a good back-up (assumes trade is about mid season).
Miller and Roy. that’s a tough one. I’m going to predict they’ll fit together because they HAVE to fit together and both are good enough they’ll find a way.
Batum will show a little improvement with scoring adn still be strong on defense but will be unable to garner a lot of playing time until Webster or Outlaw leave.
Sophia will complain about cheerleaders while mooning for Batum.
I will appreciate the cheerleaders while humping Rudy’s leg.
Tom will post something that people think is funny and he’s serious about.
Dave will preach about not getting too up at wins or down on losses and then be swept up in enthusiasm as the blazers start to annihilate other teams on a consistent basis. The holes he’s always concerned about are gone or reduced to such an extent that another year totally banishes them.
Blazers start a little slow the first 10-20 games and lose a few games they weren’t supposed to as they learn to play together with new parts. They finish the season like a steam roller with +15pt margins of victory.
New people crash Blazers Edge and the Old timers and the new old timers go a little nuts about the one sentence posts that go along the lines of “the blzrs r gr8 n will win it all don’t u think! GO BALZERS!”
People will become emotional after losses and demand trades.
People will demand trades anyway. Most of the trades will consist of an imaginary player that fits the mold of lebron james, Wade, Howard, or Paul.
Outlaw is going to tick a few people off with his mistakes.
Jscot still won’t rule the world but will continue to put his devious plans into motion.
Just Blaze will win another Court Rivals Championship.
Blake puts up a tougher fight than others are predicting but eventually loses the starting position. His play is very conservative and eventually it’ll be recognized that the blazers need solid play, but they need to take risks to take advantage of situations.
Joel stays with the blazers. he wants the championship and he’s still getting over 20 minutes a game with the Oden/Pryz switching. His money pitching wife is ticked with him and scolds him. he stands firm.
People still continue to complain about the blazers not running, but they DO take advantage of more fast break opportunities and despite “not running” they’re still winning.
I become engaged after i get a little smashed but don’t regret it.
The economy starts to visibly turn around about januaryish (in that people start hiring again)
Extremism will still rule politics and people will continue to protest things that are actually amazingly beneficial to them because the slogans sound cool.
People will continue to say “can’t” instead of “how”.
Blazers will make it deep into the playoffs and yet still supposedly lose money. Ticket prices will be raised again.
I’ll be offered over 2 grand for my finals tickets and wince as i turn down the offers.
horde will continue to dominate alliance in rivendare. (211 healers geared better than me on the server, less than 40 are alliance). I do not get the pretty orange mace. I still won’t use my mic.
This year will be a very good year and life will start improving for everyone as we turn the corner.
K, those sound good.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Sep 1, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the spurs get put away.
and my girlfriend is okay with that.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Oden improves...
but is still called a bust.
I think he should embrace it, thus a new nickname. Greg “The Bust” Oden.
He will be enshrined in the hall of fame with that nickname on his plaque after a superstar career.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
summerleague...
doh… imeant preseason.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
rec for this
New people crash Blazers Edge and the Old timers and the new old timers go a little nuts about the one sentence posts that go along the lines of "the blzrs r gr8 n will win it all don’t u think! GO BALZERS!"
One very important question: does your girlfriend future fiancee read Bedge? If so, I think you just became engaged after getting a little smashed.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
She randomly does
I suspect it’s rather light reading as her IT guys at work are beyond bored and read what people surf and report it. So I’m fairly comfortable about her not reading this.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Hard to imagine 60+ wins.
The Spurs, Celtics, Cavs, Magic, and Lakers have a good chance to win 60+ games. It is rare to see multiple teams win 60+ games in a season, much less 6 different teams including the Blazers.
I expect the Mavs, Clippers, and Thunder to improve in the western conference. The Hornets and Jazz should be more of a threat when healthy. The Suns will most likely drop off and the Nuggets may take a small step back as well. Houston is rebuilding.
All in all, I expect 57 wins and the Northwest division. A meager 3 game improvement doesn’t seem to be much, but I think the Blazers will be a much better team.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Can we get a poll added?
’Cause this is something I would totally feel more comfortable in being able to test drive some of the bandwagons before jumping on one.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
this is the best I can do to help
scroll down for the poll results
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/8/1/894063/60-wins-what-will-it-take
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
65 wins
Three all stars (Roy, Aldridge, Greg)
Same record as the L@kers, but we own the series 2-1 because of home court and receive the number one seed in the west.
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer
Only problem with predicting Aldridge as an All-Star
is the huge number of quality forwards in the Western Conference
Duncan, Nowitzki, Stoudemire, Anthony, Gasol, West, Durant, Jefferson, Boozer, Gay and now Griffin – they’re all fighting for 5 All-Star spots.
It might be tough for another year or so for him to break into the fraternity….
They will make Duncan a center this year again, so he can start instead of the usual Yao (unless the NBA puts him on the ballot which would be plain stupid) and that makes things less crowded. Nowitzki or Amare for another starting spot. There is no way Griffin already makes the All-Star team, and I don’t see Gay or West there either. LaMarcus will probably have to beat out Jefferson and Boozer as the other big men (and before Boozer makes it, it would be time for Williams to make it for Utah). Final place for KD or Anthony.
There's Gotta Be More To Life
yao will be on the ballot
china will vote and they outnumber us.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
im tired of this china votes dont count as much as u.s. votes i been hearing since yao came in.
if the idea is to let fans see who they want to see than its all good… no one complained about tmac that one year… or shaqs sympathy years… or when kobe started early in his career… if that is the system then dont worry about the prospect of yi janlian starting. “china fans” ARE apart of the nba nation.
lol. sorry i had to let that out.
oh yeah
I knew there were more, but after I listed my three my mind went blank.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
best regular season records in NBA history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_teams_by_single_season_win_pct
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Let's get on that list this year
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
that'd be cool
but i want to win it all.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Those are mutually exclusive?
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
at least for my records...
Not cracking 60 this year. That is a very difficult bar to reach, and Portland is simply not a 60 win team… yet.
WINS:
I’ll say 56… with only slight regular season improvement from last year in the win column… HOWEVER, Portland wins in the first round and takes the quarterfinals to game 7. We will see great improvement in the team’s chemistry and playoff experience/readiness.
AWARDS
Oden is a top candidate for MIP, while Roy makes the All-Star team (a distant 2nd to Bryant in the SG votes) and Aldridge sneaks in as an injury replacement.
McMillan considered for coach of the year… but will be edged out in the end.
Kobe takes MVP #2… with another close race with Lebron. Having won the championship previously, and producing another 60+ win team on the verge of championship #2, will win over the hearts of the voters. Roy finishes 4th in the MVP votes.
OTHER NBA
Duncan and the Spurs rise up to challenge the Lakers in the West finals, taking them to game 7 in LA. However, Kobe will prove to be too much, and the Lakers head to the finals and take the back-to-back. Sucks… but it’s just the truth people.
Boston makes one last charge to the Finals after taking out Howard and the Magic in the East finals. Lose to LA in 6.
All the while, Darius Miles continues to make copious amounts of stripper rain money without doing jack.
he's pretty good at that.
must be all the mentoring he’s doing.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
If Oden is a candidate for MIP
and Brandon is 4th in MVP, and Aldridge is good enough to make the all-star team, even as a replacement, I have to think we are going to win more than 56 games.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
Agreed
we’re in the 60 range for sure then.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
54-28
Oden will burden the team with a few losses as he develops his game. And while I think Millers game does help Portlands defense against elite guards, Portland’s defense is still not good enough yet to propel the blazers above 60 wins.
Of course I’ll be happy to be wrong (in the right direction!).
57 Wins, WC semi's
INCREASES FROM LAST SEASON:
Roy’s 3s
Oden’s Dunks, Blocks, Boards, and Cardio
Jered’s Frustration
LMA’s All Star Appearances and RPG
Rudy’s Assists
Team Wins, Assists, Steals, and Fast Break Points
Traffic to Blazersedge
DECREASES FROM LAST SEASON:
Blake’s MPG
Roy’s MPG and Nagging Injuries
Team Turnovers
Outlaw’s FG Attempts
Portland's PG of the Future - Meet John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
55 wins
i think the blazers will struggle at times this year. i predict a turbulent middle portion of the season. i foresee a prolonged injury to a key player.
i predict a top four seed. i predict a wcf berth.
59 wins
Too chicken to go 60 wins but we finish 2nd in the west. Book it!
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on Sep 1, 2009 1:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
“Far-out, Long shot prediction – Oden named to All-Star Team by Coaches if Duncan voted on as PF.”
Not a bad prediction in my view. If an injury-free Oden makes a big step in realizing the potential that made him a #1 pick, he could make the all star team this year.
I will predict LMA does not make the all star team. He is considered somewhere around the 6th to 12th best PF in the league. Don’t forget you have got to be one of the two or three best in the NBA at your position in order to make the all star team. You can be really good and still not be an all star.
naw
it’d be yao (china voting) and Bynum… although if china CANT vote or sleeps in, then Oden might have a chance.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
62 - 20, 2nd overall in WC
I predict we finish one game behind the L*kers (63-19) for 2nd in the West. The final four will be Portland, LA, Cleveland and Boston. LA-Portland will be a heated battle that we lose in LA in 7 games. Greg will average 26 minutes! Outlaw will be traded. Blake or Bayless will be traded. Joel will get in at least 2 fights. Sergio will torch us as one of our 20 loses comes against the lowly Kings (Von Wafer did it).
My mom babysat Paul Allen
A pirate with a peg leg slowly walks into an empty bar.
He takes a seat in a wooden chair, stage center, and pours himself a single shot of whiskey, which he drinks. He then wipes his mouth with the dirty sleeve of his pirate coat and leans back in his dilapidated chair. Spotlight dims. Crowd goes hush.
“It was a DARK and STORMY night in the Rose City when Durant and his O’CURSED kin DARED to step back into the arena of which had handed them a defeating SO FOUL. A crushing SO DEEP, that it tore the sinew from the BONE and left small children a crying for their mothers.
ARrrrr…
And on this night the two competitors whom didn’t even play the same position, yet were constantly being judged in their pre-larval stage with each other by those SCURVY-DOG lovin’ media types came to give their all to the game they loved. And give it their all THEY DID and with the game tied at 214 points each and ten seconds left it came down to SINGLE SHOT! Oklahoma had the ball.
ARrrr….
Duranty jumped into the air like a seagull out of a potato gun with his yellow eyes on the booty of the rim, when out of nowhere a man so FIERCE. A man SO BRUTAL. A BEAST so WANTON that wolves HOWLED whenever he ate a sandwich LEAPED to meet his FATE! LIGHTNING STRUCK! And the lights went out.
ARrrr….
A single spotlight shines down on the crushed and broken form of Kevin Durant. Greg Oden is bent over him holding his hand in one hand and a single flower with the other hand. A tear slowly slides down Greg’s cheek.
“The media created us Greg. And now the media has destroyed us. When will Blazersedgers learn that what they are doing to us is wrong? When…will…they….lear…….”
Kevin eyes go dark and the tear falls from Greg’s cheek amd lands on the flower, causing it to burst into flames. Greg picks up the pieces of Kevin’s poor, horribly mutilated form and slowly walks out of the arena accompanied by music of a Wagnerian theme, per Act III of The Valkyries (although the music comes from the overture to Tannhäuser).
Camera pans to flower in the floor. Crushed in the spotlight.
FADE OUT
CREDITS ROLL
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Sep 1, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
so...like 55? 60 wins?
ha ha! I like it.
Arrrr….
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
who cares!
pirates!
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I'm very conflicted
last season the general consensus was that if you predicted 50 or more wins you were a homer. The team vastly overachieved to hit 41-41 so we couldn’t expect another large increase in the win total. Most analysts had us 3rd in the NW division and 7th or 8th seed in the West. Mr. Hollinger even penciled us in at 42 wins. Of course, everyone knows we got 54 wins.
I’m getting a very similar vibe this off season. A team that looks like it overachieved. Plenty of early predictions are overlooking the Blazers (relatively speaking). People are getting called homers for predicting more than 60 wins (although, there seems to be a lot more unbridled optimism).
Once again, I want to play the part of the realist. I predicted roughly 45-47 wins last year. This year I’m reluctant to say 60. I’m conflicted because it’s too easy to get swept away by the tide of homerism, but at the same time the Blazers keep performing better than I expect.
In the end, I’d rather be happy they outdid my prediction than be disappointed they didn’t perform up to some random expectation I built up in my head before the season even started.
58 wins
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
that was the general?
Really?
hmmm i must be a homer. I went with 52 wins.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Yeah
Those of us who said 55 were on the loony fringe, according to the majority. Walkoff, usmcr, and a few others (don’t remember who) pretty well nailed it, though.
Those of us who said higher than 35 the year before were crazy homers, too (I had 39).
This team keeps living up to the crazy homers rather than the “realists” who are being so realistic they miss what is happening right in front of them.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
As long as we are right
The “realists” have fun even when they are wrong.
Are you a realist if you are always wrong? Isn’t the person who accurately describes reality the realist? If so, then we have been more realistic than the “realists”, haven’t we?
62 wins, baby. I have a track record of being a realist that the realists can’t match.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
Same here
42, then 48-52 (and i was restraining my self in an attempt to be a realist or i’d have gone 56-58)
And this year, i’m with you on the 62. I really don’t see a reason for it not happening and frankly I could see up to 70 wins. Too many things have to go right for that though. I think 62 is reasonable.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I was going to go with 62 but jscot copied me last year
so I waited until he committed and then went with 63.
Obviously, being one less than you is a good idea
if only in the “predicted wins” category.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
I don't think 70 happens
even if everything we could reasonably hope for happens.
The thing that would keep us from 62 wins is major injury. That threat is always out there.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
I remember you loony fringe types
you voted for 3rd party candidates and predicted mid 50s win totals. Ron Paul wasn’t elected, but the Blazers sure did win a ton of games.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
You don't know what you are talking about
People in Britain don’t vote for Ron Paul. We vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party.
Please read the election manifesto. Believe me, Ron Paul is not loony fringe. No one does loony fringe like the Brits do.
http://www.loonyparty.com/index.php?page=manifestoproposals-1
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
yeah, i voted for Obama...
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I'm still trying to figure out if that was loony fringe or not
but I know people who voted for the SNP and our so-called justice secretary….
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
i had 42 that year.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
The Blazers should win at least 58 games. It's a scientific fact!
Edgers:
Having tried but found myself unable to ignore Dave’s challenge, I decided to expend a bit more thought and energy than is my custom, and I hope that the resulting oeuvre, humble though it be, will earn your approval. I have anticipated several immediate objections, namely: "This should be a Fanpost", "This should be a Fanshot", and "You should have posted this on O-live". Such critiques do have merit, but I ask your forbearance.
I have long admired a certain analytical style that is perhaps best exemplified by the numerous learned epistles of jscot. Therefore, I have attempted to imbue my prognostication with a spirit of quantitative and scientifically-rooted objectivity. Interestingly, the outcome of this studied effort appears indistinguishable from that based on wild speculation, the mode I most often employ. Be that as it may, let me say a few words regarding my methodology.
Considering the twelve players most likely to appear on the official roster based on information available today, I noted that each one is characterized by a primary and secondary nominative property, and that the respective instantiations of these properties themselves have components that may readily be mapped to a subset of the natural numbers, U = {1, 2, 3, …, 26}. Thus, for each player, X, we have that m = P(X) and n = S(X), where m and n may reduced using a well-defined operation to m’ and n’, belonging to the set D = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9}. Finally we sum all resulting m’ and n’ values for all the players, respectively, and these totals are taken to bracket the expected number of wins for the season. Those who have studied computer science will recognize that this algorithm implements the often-observed GIGO queuing system.1 The intermediate assignments and calculations shown below should make this all quite clear:
P(LaMarcus Aldridge) = 12+1+13+1+18+3+21+19 = 88 => 8+8 = 16. 1+6 = 7.
P(Nicolas Batum) = 14+9+3+15+12+1+19 = 73 => 7+3= 10 => 1+0 = 1.
P(Jerryd Bayless) = 10+5+18+18+25+4 = 80 => 8+0 = 8.
P(Steve Blake) = 19+20+5+22+5 = 71 => 7+1 = 8.
P(Dante Cunningham) = 4+1+14+20+5 = 44 => 4+4 = 8.
P(Rudy Fernandez) = 18+21+4+25 = 68 => 6+8 = 14 => 1+4 = 5.
P(Andre Miller) = 1+14+4+18+5 = 42 => 4+2 = 6.
P(Greg Oden) = 7+18+5+7 = 37. 3+7 = 10 => 1+0 = 1.
P(Travis Outlaw) = 20+18+1+22+9+19 = 89 => 8+9 = 17 => 1+7 = 8.
P(Joel Przybilla) = 10+15+5+12 = 42 => 4+2 = 6.
P(Brandon Roy) = 2+18+1+14+4+15+14 = 68 => 6+8 = 14 => 1+4 = 5.
P(Martell Webster) = 13+1+18+20+5+12+12 = 81 => 8+1 = 9.
P(ALL) = 7+1+8+8+8+5+6+1+8+6+5+9 = 72.
S(LaMarcus Aldridge) = 1+12+4+18+9+4+7+5 = 60 => 6+0 = 6.
S(Nicolas Batum) = 2+1+20+21+13 = 57. 5+7 = 12 => 1+2 = 3.
S(Jerryd Bayless) = 2+1+25+12+5+19+19 = 83 => 8+3 = 11 => 1+1 = 2.
S(Steve Blake) = 2+12+1+11+5 = 31 => 3+1 = 4.
S(Dante Cunningham) = 3+21+14+14+9+14+7+8+1+13 = 104 => 1+0+4 = 5.
S(Rudy Fernandez) = 6+5+18+14+1+14+4+5+26 = 93 => 9+3 = 12. 1+2 = 3.
S(Andre Miller) = 13+9+12+12+5+18 = 69 => 6+9 = 15 = 1+5 = 6.
S(Greg Oden) = 15+4+5+14 = 38. 3+8 = 11 => 1+1 = 2.
S(Travis Outlaw) = 15+21+20+12+1+23 = 82 => 8+2 = 10. 1+0 = 1.
S(Joel Przybilla) = 16+18+26+25+2+9+12+12+1 = 121 => 1+2+1 = 5.
S(Brandon Roy) = 18+15+25 = 58. 5+8 = 13 => 1+3 = 4.
S(Martell Webster) = 23+5+2+19+20+5+18 = 92 => 9+2 = 11 => 1+1 = 2.
S(ALL) = 6+3+2+4+5+3+6+2+1+5+4+2 = 43.
Therefore, S(ALL) = 43 <= Wins <= P(ALL) = 72, and
Wins expected = (43+72)/2 = 115/2 = 57.5 ~ 58.
As things presently stand, it looks as though the Blazers are guaranteed to have at least a winning season, 43W/39L, but could potentially set a club record with 72W/10L. However, the expected win total of 58, although a slight improvement over last season’s mark, seems too conservative. But note that if Jeff Pendergraph is signed, the situation improves dramatically:
P(Jeff Pendergraph) = 10+5+6+6 = 27 => 2+7 = 9.
S(Jeff Pendergraph) = 16+5+14+4+5+18+7+18+1+16+8 = 112 => 1+1+2 = 4.
Now, S(ALL) = 47 <= Wins <= P(ALL) = 81, while wins expected = (47+81)/2 = 128/2 = 64. This seems much more reasonable and Pritchard will almost certainly sign the rookie big man.
As always, care must be taken to avoid drawing unwarranted conclusions from the sorts of data we’ve been examining here. In particular, note that P and S values for individuals are not entirely reliable indicators of likely achievement levels. For example, it would be incorrect to assume that Greg Oden is due for a poor season simply because P(Greg Oden) = 1 and S(Greg Oden) = 2. Individual results are always subject to a type of modification known as the "Vandeweghe effect". Interestingly, we see that the Blazers will enjoy greater success if their season is more in line with the P(ALL) value than the S(ALL) one. Future research might be undertaken to see if P(ALL) correlates with the informal, but useful attribute of team "chemistry".
1 Garbage In, Garbage Out
"Just kidding"
I do believe there's a mistake in your math
P(ALL) = 72 = 7+2 =9
S(ALL= 43 = 4+3 = 7
Now P(ALL) X S(ALL) = 63
So I believe that using your methodology we should see 63 wins.
which is about
what I predict.
cool :)
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I'm honored
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I thank you for your sincerity, and the implicit comment on the usefulness and accuracy of my typical contributions to this site. I advise you to ignore any detractors, if any are so rude as to publicly criticize this masterpiece.
Please note that Patty Mills is also unsigned, and while the chances of an offer for him are remote, this could push us to even greater levels of achievement.
Note also that after the Euro cap holds come off we may sign another big man. The impact here could push us near the 98 win mark which Channing Frye once predicted for our franchise.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
Addendum
Some of you have made inquiries indicating that my exposition was a bit unclear. Perhaps the following excerpt from the FAQ will help …
Q. What do you call your analytical method?
A. There is no name of which I am aware. I employ techniques originally developed in the field of obfuscatory mathematics.
Q. Can you explain the “Vandeweghe effect”?
A. This is a complex phenomenon whose accurate description is far beyond the present scope. A simple but incomplete statement of the effect is that the measured P(X) and S(X) values for a player, X, are not precisely comparable to P(Y) and S(Y), respectively, for a player, Y, where X <> Y, and any attempt to compare them must take into account the interactions of other team members.
Q. So, you’re saying I shouldn’t worry that P(Greg Oden) = 1 and S(Greg Oden) = 2. But Greg is my favorite Blazer! I want him to be the best! How much can he improve with more practice and experience?
A. Studies suggest that these values tend to remain remarkably stable over a player’s career. Interestingly, though, the greatest number of significant changes seem to involve female players. However, on average, about as many females have seen a decrease as have undergone an increase. Although not as common, some significant changes have been recorded among male players. Consider the UCLA player who began with P(Lew Alcindor) = 12+5+23 = 40 => 4+0 = 4 and S(Lew Alcindor) = 1+12+3+9+14+4+15+18 = 76 => 7+6 = 13 => 1+3 = 4. By contrast, his later career had P(Kareem Jabbar) = 11+1+18+5+5+13 = 53 => 5+3 = 8 and S(Kareem Jabbar) = 10+1+2+2+1+18 = 34 => 3+4 = 7.
Q. What did jscot mean when he said he was “honored”?
A. I’m not sure. On the one hand, he was probably one of a very small number of people to actually read my comment, and he was evidently pleased to see me acknowledge his influence. On the other hand, it escapes me why anyone who truly grasped what I was saying would want to be associated with this work.
Q. This should have been a Fanpost.
A. You’re probably right, but it’s too late now.
"Just kidding"
Yeah, I try to remember to use Yankee spellings here
I was honoured because he compared my usual posting with this.
And it is even better now that I know the FAQ uses “obfuscatory”. I live by “obfuscatory”.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
Further analysis..
If we lost all of these games (listed below) and NO OTHER games, we’d finish 63-19. Realistically, let’s throw in 5 more “bonehead” losses to mediocre teams, or off nights. That’s how I arrived at 58-24. I still believe our season will be defined in part on December play this year. If we even split our back-backs, I’m calling a 60 win season POSSIBLE, but not probable. A lot depends on our success on the road vs. playoff teams. We had a pretty terrible track record last year.
Tough road games which could be losses:
11/28, POR @ UTAH
12/11, POR @ CLE
12/19, POR @ ORL
12/20, POR @ MIA (Back to back, @ ORL & MIA)
12/22, POR @ DAL
12/23, POR @ SA (Back to back, @ DAL & SA)
1/22, POR @ BOS
1/23, POR @ DET (Back to back, @ BOS & DET)
1/30, POR @ DAL
2/3, POR @ UTAH
3/7, POR @ DEN
4/1, POR @ DEN (With the divsion on the line, probably..)
Tough home games which could be losses:
10/29, DEN @ POR
11/6, SA @ POR
1/10, CLE @ POR
1/15, ORL @ POR
2/4, SA @ POR
2/6, LAL @ POR (I hope we win both, but I suspect they may split this year. Call it 50/50)
2/19, BOS @ POR
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
You are predicting "bonehead losses"
but not “outstanding wins”?
Wouldn’t you say there’s a decent chance we win a couple of those tough road games? For instance, we won in Orlando and Miami back to back last year. We almost won in Cleveland. I’d say there’s a good chance we get an excellent performance and steal one or two of those.
I’d also say there’s a good chance we win some of those home games you listed.
I expect a handful of road losses you haven’t listed, like at N.O., Houston, or Phoenix, perhaps at OKC or LAC, probably at LAL (not sure why you didn’t include that one). It won’t be a surprise if we get a loss or two on the road to midlevel Eastern teams like Chicago. But I also expect we compensate for some of those losses with a few wins in some of the tough games, this year.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
I predict we win close to half those games.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I would hope we get 4 or 5 of the seven home games he listed
I would be very happy if we get 3-4 of those 12 road games, those are pretty tough.
A 60 win season is built primarily on hardly ever losing the games you should win. You’ll still lose most of the games like those road games he listed. You start winning half of those, you are talking 65 or more wins, probably.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
65 wins
Home:39-2
Road: 26-15
Blazers finally dominate the teams equal to or worse than them on the road. Roy is an easy all star, LaMarcus breaks out and averages 21 and 10 and is also an allstar, Oden makes the best of the open looks that andre gets him and averages 15 and 12 and is the starting center on the allstar team.
by philthebballplayer on Sep 1, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions
61-21
Andre Miller ’s impact will be greater than realized. Oden will play 31 minutes a game getting 14pts 13 rbs and 2 blocks a game. Batum and Webster will become a potent 3 combo. The improvement of the young players will allow Roy to play less still averaging 22/5/5.
We win the division and second seed. We gain momentum in the playoffs and beat the lakers in 6 in the wcf. Against Boston we win in the finals when Rasheed melts down on KG and throws a towel in his FACE!
Roy wins final MVP.
O.R.
by Odenrising on Sep 1, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
59-23
Here are the losses:
Either @OKC or @Houston on first back to back
@ NO
@ Charlotte (B2B)
@ ATL
@ GS
@Utah
Houston on 4 days rest
@Clev
@Orlando
@ Miami (B2B)
@SAS (B2B)
LAL
Cleve
@Phil
@Boston
@Utah
@Phx (B2B)
Boston
@Den
Dallas
@NO
@Den
@LAL
36-5 at home and 23-18 on the road
Best guess
PER has to be useful...I'm sure it helped determine to keep Batum after Summer League
I was thinking 55-27.
Just because I think it likely that there will be one significant injury this year. Just the odds. That said, the ceiling is very high for this team. If the Blazers get good veteran leadership, strong coaching, and a sense of mission/selflessness takes hold, I think the Blazers could vie for top seed with LA.
How are you considered a homer at 50 wins
When we won 54 games last year. We improved the team, obviously that doesn’t entitle us to a better record than last year especially because all the power houses improved as well but, it does give an inclination to where we can go it’s a logical point just not a definite. Again though a prediction is what it is.
52-30
1. Oden will play for longer stretches and impact the team’s defensive efficiency.
2. Martell Webster’s return will have a negative impact, because there just aren’t enough minutes to go around to keep everyone content.
3. The backcourt tandem of Miller/Roy will make the team less efficient offensively. Because Miller can’t space the floor, teams will pack the paint. Without an established low-post scoring threat, and one less 3pt shooter on the floor, the Blazers will have to settle for low percentage shots.
So, 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
Playoff seedings w/ *notes:
1. LAL*best record in the league
2. DEN*best home record in the league
3. NOH*MVP season for Paul
4. SAS*Blair starts, McDyess finishes.
5. DAL*an up-and-down season due to lack of quality big men
6. POR*1st round exit to eventual WC Finalists, the NOH
7. UTA*dangerous team after trade deadline: hinrich(!) in/boozer out
8. HOU*Adelman finally wins COY
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
The truth of the matter
The Blazers are just not THERE yet. Will they get there in the future? Maybe, maybe not. It is to be determined. I just know that you don’t go from a 1st round exit to winning the NBA championship! The Blazers do not have the talent, the TEAM or the experience. Basketball is a team game. The blazers are not a championship TEAM as of yet. They have great talent, but even in that department, they do not really compete with the power houses of the NBA. Let’s just compare the talent level of the Blazers vs the Lakers.
Kobe > Roy
Gasol > LA
Bynum > Oden
Odom > Outlaw/Martell
Artest > Batum
But even if the Blazers had the talent level, they still are not a TEAM. They do not have the required parts of a TEAM. A championship team is a special team. There is something about them that beats other teams in important aspects and ties them in other aspects. There is a certain BALANCE to a championship team. They have no weaknesses. Their strengths are far better than anyone else’s and their weaknesses are about a wash.
And then comes EXPERIENCE. It is very important. Portland couldn’t even get out of the 1st round last year. There is a certain confidence and correct mental attitude which comes with making DEEP playoff runs. You saw the Magic succumb to this lack of experience this very last finals. They came out in game 1 and were destroyed by 25 points or so.
Experience is something the Nuggets gaines this last year. That WCF was classic against the Lakers. Next year, the Nuggets will have a much better chance than the Blazers because of this very experience. The Blazers need to make a deep playoff run first. Then you guys can say that a championship is around the corner. Until then, quit it because you’re only blowing hot air!
I’m not sure what the records will be, but here is the seeding in the West:
1) Lakers
2) Nuggets
3) Spurs
4) Mavs
5) Blazers
6) who cares
7) I care even less
8) worthless
So the Blazers go up against the Mavs in the first round. I believe that the Blazers have a great chance against the MAvs. It is a hard fought series, but the Blazers do come out on top. But that just means that they are going up against the Lakers in the 2nd round. Here is where Blazer fans and the team realize an important lesson: this is not the regular season. The Lakers easily win in 5-6 games. Portland has a few close games, just like the magic had this year in games 2-4, but talent/experience/team wins it for the Lakers.
You are probably right about playoff success
But Portland has more talent, more experience, and (at least at this point) better health than last year, and they won 54. I don’t see them dropping to fifth seed.
Teams have won it all without much playoff experience, but I don’t expect a championship this year. If we make the WCF, that would be great, but better than I predict. But this is a very deep, very talented team, and that depth really pays off in the regular season, when guys miss a few games with niggling injuries, and you have to play back to back and three in four nights.
Portland gets a top three seed, wins the first round, and then runs into either LA or SA, probably the Spurs. The Spurs have the talent for a top seed, but Pops will rest guys to keep them healthy, and they will come into the playoffs seeded either second or third, and they will take our young guys to school in the playoffs.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
With all due respect... WTH?
Nevermind that you’re a L@ker fan. Even the best of people have fundamental character flaws. _
My largest criticism of your analysis has to do with your repeated over capitalization of the word TEAM. You continually say TEAM in big letters to stress the fact that the Blazers are not, in fact, a TEAM, but just a team, which means that they fundamentally fail to do what capital T-E-A-M TEAMS do.
Yet at no point do you make any attempt to differentiate between team and TEAM. You simply repeat it over and over, as if capital letters are somehow self-explanatory. I call shenanigans.
Last season, Brandon Roy’s teammates repeatedly encouraged him to take more shots because our star player wanted to make sure the entire TEAM was engaged on offense. Joel Pryzbilla was told he was losing his starting job to a rookie recovering from microfracture surgery. No complaints. Then he was thrust right back into the starting role. No gloating. Because he has respect for the TEAM that brought his career back from the brink. The only player to publicly complain about PT was Sergio Rodriguez, and even has Coach Nate played yo-yo with his minutes, he continued to give maximum effort to the TEAM in practices and on the floor. Martell Webster spent all of last season in a boot and still traveled with the TEAM as much as the doctor’s would let him. Blake morphs into a catch-and-shoot 2-guard whenever the TEAM needs it. Everyone cheers. Everybody sacrifices. Sulking is almost freakishly absent. Everyone from the head coach to the sweat moppers are on message with a mentality of continuous self-improvement and wins being the only stat worth measuring.
People frequently refer to our 54 win total last season occurring with four rookies receiving regular minutes. Nobody ever mentions that two of those four rookies were also ESL (English as a Second Language), and the two ESL guys had the biggest impact of all the rooks we played with. Their ability to learn the playbook and gel with their TEAMmates is a direct result of their own TEAM focus, and the level of effort made by the rest of the TEAM to integrate their talents into the lineup.
Look, you make some valid points when you talk about the level of talent and experience your boys have. They are the defending champions and that was no accident. They are also a TEAM as you put it. Credit to Phil Jackson for being such a gargantuan prima donna that he can overpower the massive egos of his individual players and shackle them together into a cohesive, synchronized unit… but that has nothing to do with the TrailBlazers or their TEAMiness.
Our team is already a TEAM, bottom line. You are no different than many in the East and in the national media who also miss this point entirely. No big deal though. When you are stunned into silence by the magnitude of your under-estimation, we kind and loving Blazer fans will help roll all the naysayer’s tongues back into their heads, yours included. As much as we Portlanders are into dogs and beer, we’re used to a bit of extra slobber.
by conspirator5 on Sep 1, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has a point
even if he didn’t make it well. The more a team plays together, the better their on-court chemistry, in recognizing situations, anticipating what their teammates will do, etc. As selfless as our guys are, as well as they get along, they don’t yet always click as well together on the court as they could, especially offensively.
That said, the only way we finish as low as a #5 seed is if we have very significant injuries.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
78-4, a perfect 16-0 in the playoffs
Actually, I expect about 58 wins a 3 seed, knock the Mavericks out in the first round, upset the Spurs in the second, and lose to the Lakers in the WCF in 6.
Regular season about the same as last
The number of wins the Blazers get depends as much on the relative changes of other teams in the division and conference as it does the improvement the Blazers themselves. I agree with most that the team is better on paper than last year, but that does not necessarily translate into more wins. Last year a whole lot of things went right. The team had few critical injuries and certainly a lot less than some of the other competitive teams in the West (SA, Denver, Utah, Houston). Pretty much the whole team exceeded expectations except GO because the expectations were absurd.
Looking the Blazers changes relative to the rest of the West, I am going with — you guessed it — 55 wins. Pretty much like last year. Why? The L*kers are the same team as last year – write them in for 60 wins and Divisional champs. SA is much better and assuming no big injuries and a well-paced Duncan they will be right behind LA in the 56-58 range. Denver may not be quite the team they were last year, but if Melo is healthy all year I still give them an edge over the Blazers. Houston is done without Yao. Utah is Utah – who cares. I think the Blazers compete with Denver for the division title down to the wire.
Having said all this, I think the Blazers will be much better in the post season. For all the obvious reasons and because they won’t face Houston.
A lot less injuries?
SA I’ll buy. Utah I’ll buy. They both had major injury trouble.
Houston, if you count T-Mac, but they seemed better without him the last couple years. Other than that, our injuries were worse.
Denver? They lost ’Melo for 16 games. K-Mart missed 16 games. Birdman missed 11. No other rotation player missed more than 5.
We lost Martell for 81, Greg for 21, and Steve for 13.
Sure, Melo is a star, but the loss of Greg cost us heavily, because it hindered him building his conditioning and confidence, and the loss of Steve cost us heavily because we didn’t have quality replacements. We don’t really know how much the loss of Martell cost us, it’s all speculation.
"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue
60 wins - Blazers have closed the gap with the Lakers
With the moves that the Lakers and Blazers made this off season, the gap of 6 wins has all but vanished. As such, I’d put the Blazers win total to be around 60 wins. plyka above compared the Lakers and Blazers and I want to correct that comparison by looking at the 2008-09 statistics:
PG = Andre Miller > Derek Fisher (Advantage Portland)
SG = Brandon Roy > Kobe Bryant (Adv. Portland)
SF = Ron Artest > Nicolas Batum (Adv. LA)
PF = Pau Gasol > LaMarcus Aldridge (Adv. LA)
C = Joel Przybilla > Andrew Bynum > Greg Oden (Adv. LA)
So, while Roy was just slightly better than Kobe last season, Bynum was also just slightly better than Oden. If Oden improves from last season or if the Blazers play Joel more, then the Blazers can look to beating LA.
Unfortunately for the Blazers, there are other teams in the west which successfully advanced their roster in the off season and would be major challengers to the Blazers (Dallas and San Antonio).
60 wins.
Improvement from Batum and Oden proved to be the catalyst. The Blazers have two players on the Western Conference all-star squad, with Rudy meriting serious consideration for sixth man of the year. Oden averages 15/11 in 30 minutes while playing about 70 games.
"If the Lakers are Hollywood, then we are South Central." - Clipper fan.
My predictions:
62 wins, lose in 2nd round to healthy Spurs or WCF to L@kers.
Travis is traded
we get another PF/C
LMA is still a below average rebounder but gets signed to a 12mil/year extension
GO averages 13/10/2 over 70 games
B.Roy is an All-Star, 2nd team NBA.
LMA is a borderline all-star but (rightfully imo) doesn’t make it
Batum improves measurably
Miller helps our offense considerably, moves us away from jump-shooting
and for a dark horse guess: Blake is re-signed by this time next year.
(This is my attempt at being optimistic without being a total homer.)
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Team by Team
Here’s how we’ll do team by team.
Vs. Houston we’ll have 3 wins and 1 loss. I think we’ll win the 2 early games.
Den. 2 and 2. Big rivals, we’ll be up for every game and so will they.
Okc. 3 and 1. Even if Durant is better than Oden (and I won’t admit it) We’re better than Okc.
Atl 2 and 0. Last game of early road trip, we’ll take it to give us a great statement trip.
SA 2 and 1. Last year wasn’t enough, for all the years they’ve kicked our behinds. We win both at home.
Minn. 3 and 1.
Mem. 4 and 0.
NO. 1 and 2. Only series we lose, but 2 of 3 in NO.
Char. 2 and 0.
Det. 1 and 1.
GS 3 and 1.
Chic. 1 and 1.
NJ 2 and 0.
Utah 3 and 1. I know they’re a big rival, but for some reason I just feel like we’re a notch above now. Plus we’ll be up for every game.
Mia. 1 and 1. Might be 2 and 0, but we might lose one to NJ too. 3 and 1 against the two teams sounds about right to me.
NY 2 and 0.
Ind 2 and 0.
Clev. 1 and 1.
Mil 2 and 0.
Sac. 4 and 0.
Pho. 2 and 1. see what I said about Utah. Also between the 4 road games at NO and Pho. I think we’ll win 1. So I gave it too us over Pho.
Orl. 1 and 1. I just have to say that the 2 games against Orl last year, were two of my favorites
Dallas 2 and 2. We’re not letting Dallas own us this year. Last year was just an oddity.
Phil 2 and 0. Didn’t they lose a good point guard?
Clips. 3 and 1. I hate losing to the Clips.
L**k#rs 2 and 1. The dark side of the force ain’t no good in the Rose Garden.
Wash 2 and 0
Boston. 1 and 1. The dark side of the force ain’t no good in the Rose Garden, part II.
Tor 2 and 0.
That’s 61 and 21.
I usually like to make my official prediction, right on the eve of the season. And the last 2 years I’ve been pretty good. Last year I thought 55.

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