Oden = All-Star?
Is it too early to start thinking about All-Star balloting?
The other day I asked my boyfriend now that Yao is out and Shaq is in the East, who will be the West's All-Star at center? Turns out I'm not the only one who has been wondering the same thing...
Looks like it's not out of the question at this point. Greg was #5 in the polling, behind Yao, Shaq, Bynum and Okur last year.
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maybe pao gets center vote.
that be great if it was a oden bynum race to voting. and the controvery is bynum gets votes cause of la. even though oden deserved it. anything for more bynum oden storylines!
controversy?
u can’t always play the small market card. Duncan doesn’t get jipped for being in San Antonio.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Duncan is a center
and has to be listed at PF because he was an MVP and would not be voted to start in the all-star game. When the MVP can’t start in the all-star game, something gets changed.
so....
now Shaq is a PF?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
He gets voted in at C
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
im saying IF oden was better and did not get voted in...
that would be contreversy. i am not rulling out the possibility that bynum will deserve it. sheesh.
Well the voting being a popularity contest I would think Bynm is a lock.
Coaches will probably take Okur. Maybe the NBA will get crafty and list Duncan as a center, or Amare or something.
IF(the BIG if) China votes than Oden will be chosen over Bynum and Okur
by philthebballplayer on Aug 3, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
Because they know him
He is famous and is known worldwide for being such a hyped big man, likely even more than Bynum.
M—
He was considered the best
center prospect to enter the draft since Ewing in 1985.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
if that's ur logic...
then you have to worry about Bynum regardless, because he plays for the Lakers (most popular franchise in China other than Houston), and is teammates with Kobe Bryant (most popular American player in China, even more so than Lebron James).
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
If Bynum is doing good
Then, yes, I agree.
If he has another year like he’s been having (which I don’t really think he will, I just think he had a tough time coming back from another injury and it isn’t likely he’ll have another freak injury like he has had), then he won’t get many votes from China even if they love the Lakers.
If Pau is listed at center, then game over man, game over!
I don’t think Oden will be voted into the allstar game. That won’t likely happen even if he does great. Maybe the year AFTER his first great year, but not during that first good season. He will be a coaches pick, if anything.
Oden is a name they know, even if they can’t necessarily remember why right now. He was way famous before he was drafted, so that always gets a guy votes.
Mortimer
My similar outdated post..
I made a similar post on whether he could be an all star a while back. Except now shaq and Bynum are out. (except I screwed up and put the wong lopez up)
by philthebballplayer on Aug 3, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus
Here a poll from Friday night that addresses the same thing. I posted that before I found your earlier post philtheballplayer. But I am willing to give you all the credit.
Perhaps that blogger reads BlazersEdge to get ideas? Hmmm?
Missed that poll...
Sounds like lots of people are thinking the same thing. Let’s hope Greg lives up to it!
#7? "That's The Man's number!"
Sure Oden could be
Probably not next year but he certainly has the talent to be an All-Star.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He better have the talent.
he was #1 pick!
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
The big question is the offfense
If he can develop a consistent shot, he’ll be a beast.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I think he can develop
a 12-15 footer. he actually has a really nice stroke. alley oops, putbacks, dunks, simple hook shots, and the occasional 12-15 footer with his combo of size/athleticism/stregnth he could average 15-18 ppg easy. have you seen dwight howard’s offensive game? he averages over 20 ppg! if he can, i see no reason, oden cant.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
the only 15 footer I want to see Greg taking
are unguarded set-shots from the FT line after he’s drawn another foul against the opponents, because he attacked the rim and didn’t “settle” for a jump shot
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Im not saying i want him to be dirk nowitzi
just saying i think he has the ability to hit the short jumper. nearly every dominant big man can hit that shot. watch tim duncan
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
probably not
the league will probably put Duncan and maybe even Amare at the center spot.
If Al Jefferson plays weel he has a shot too, and so does Bynum.
Greg has a chance, but we’ll have to see some major improvement and not only less fouls.
If Amare and Duncan aren't on the center ballot then I would be surprised to see Oden not be in he game..
Especially if oden averages 15-12-2 in 30 minutes and if a beast on defense. I don’t think the NBA would be mad having Oden in the game anymore than having Howard in regards to offensive capabilities. To the contrary, I’ll bet the NBA would widely market a Howard vs. Oden matchup as two young studs face off.
by philthebballplayer on Aug 3, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet the NBA would be mad and try hard to exclude Greg.
Guys with extremely limited offensive skills aren’t usually all-stars plus they don’t want good defense to get in the way of the scoring exhibition.
Amare Stoudemire or Nene (won't be Bynum)
Both guys are actually PFs, but if they can get voted at C I think it will be one of them, Stoudemire has the star power and name recognition
That being said, if GO can block a bunch of shots and throw down some monster dunks in the firs thalf of the season (highlight reel material so it makes ESPN, all the sports news channels, etc.), he could definitely be in the running
by rip_city_swagger on Aug 3, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions
The biggest Key(s) for Oden to be in the running are (in order):
Staying healthy
Getting minutes
All the rest will fall into place assuming those two things happen. Oden’s per minute stats are all impressive, he just needs to stay out there for enough of them to look impressive.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
I am not so sure that staying healthy is that important.... to this All-Star game at least.
I think the biggest key is coming out of the gate like gangbusters. After all the voting starts after what like 15 or 20 games?
It starts earlier
I remember getting a ballot in November some years.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Duncan will get voted in as starting Center
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Not to be a jerk here, but...
this EXACT topic was posted and discused at length here in the fanpost just 2 or 3 days ago. It was also posted about a week or two before that, and again a few weeks before that.
Can we please make this the last Oden as an all-star speculation topic until at least after the season tips off and he’s tearing up the league?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
she already said she missed the post.
Other people were clearly enjoying talking about it and they may have missed it too. Calm yourself, it’s going to be a slow end of summer.
yeah, we're gonna have to talk about SOMETHING for the next few months
and not everyone is here that often
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Tomorrow at 10 a.m. the NBA schedule is released
that should be something to talk about. for like a day. 86 days until the first game!
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
we'll get at least 3 days out of the schedule
don’t you think?
He won't likely be voted in
But if he stays on the court a bit more and keeps the same level of production he had this recent season and perhaps a bit more, he has a chance to be a coaches pick.
Remember, the coaches pick the bench, the fans pick the starters. Oden will have to be blowing people’s socks off to get the fan vote, and I don’t think that is realistic. But if he’s defending very well, rebounding the same he did, and just staying on the damn court, he’s got a very good shot at being a coach’s selection… like Roy will be.
Al Jefferson won’t likely make any allstar game ever, because his team sucks and everyone knows he doesn’t play defense. Coaches don’t like that. And any team that has him putting up big numbers will suck, because he’s just a nicer non-controversial Z-Bo. All offense, no defense, which you cannot have in a big man.
Amare will put up huge numbers, and if he is slotted at center, he’ll likely start.
Bynum is an even bigger question mark than Oden to me, since he’s so wildly inconsistent both with his game and his effort. He could be very good though… but to me, not as good as Oden. For this next season, however, Bynum will likely be better. That’ll be the likely battle for the backup spot, I think.
Mortimer
I bet Durant will be an All-Star next season :)
He might take away the last forward spot for LMA. That would suck.
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yes yes he will. do not sleep on durant. and seriously lets just all collectively start wishing he was in northwest.
Durant can score
and… um… wait… just a sec… let me think… ok… he can score… he’s a scorer, like iverson, z-bo, or kevin martin. but i guessed he has turned a 31 win team into a 23 win team. wait, let me do the math. 23>31. shoot, nevermind. so, he’s basically a danny granger more loved by the media. but i guess history has proved that offense, not defense wins titles.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
i mean 31>23
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
It was better the other way
in context.
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maybe axel, jscot, and ilikemail watched some of his rookie games...
but homie is avg 6.5 rebounds last year. more than a stl a game. and he isn’t just “scoring” he is avg 47% from the field and 42% from three point land while making 25pgg (so he is nothing like iverson and zbo, (lol)),
let me repeat that: 47% in his 2nd yr.
he is like 21. LOL.
he is 6-10 now, possibly more. has a wingspan greater than 7-0ft. allowing him to get any shot he wants in crunch time since his stroke is up top and is dead-eye.
all he does is score? lol. ok. pryz is a good center. im pretty sure blazers would be a better team.
I wasn't bashing on Durant
just having fun.
Dude’s a very good player, and if he gets the right system and teammates, will be phenomenal.
Needs to learn to defend, and needs to learn to get his points in the flow of an offense. But he hasn’t really had a chance to do the latter yet, because he was on a pathetic team.
People criticized MJ at first for just being a gunner, too. Not saying he’ll be that good, just saying that when a big scorer is on a bad team, it isn’t a good reflection of what he can be on a good team.
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i totally agree. i would really like to see him on a good team with a great sg and pg who can create shots for him.
and a center who can rebound for him and a pf to dump the ball into occasionally and spread the floor.
lol. i kid.
Your Durant love borders on Obsession...
…and it’s your right to feel that way but I am going to pass on wishing he was in the northwest (unless the Sonics were still around). We don’t need him to dominate the ball and take 22 shots a game from Roy and others. He doesn’t play defense and isn’t a great rebounder or distributor. Therefore I choose to be very satisfied with the fact that he is on that powerful Thunder team and that we have Oden.
and ur right. i think i needed someone else to root for in the lebron era. kobe is kobe. i needed an underdog to root for.
cause i really really dislike lebron.
Maybe you've heard of this guy...
Great team player, Clutch scorer, Team Leader type guy, Rookie of the Year and 2 AllStar appearances in 3 years… and already plays right here in the Northwest..
Wearing Number 7 for our Portland Trailblazers… Brandon Roy. (…and he’s easy to like)
by Ilikeemall on Aug 4, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
roy is great. but im talking about players with top-50 level potential.
durant has those physical potentials, im not sure roy does. im talking superfreaks here. garnet, lamar odom, tim thomas, lebron, those type of potentials… this guys ceilings were limitless. thats what i like rooting for.
So let me get this straight...
You consider Tim Thomas (career #‘s 11.6 pts. and 4.1 rebounds at 6’10" 240) and Lamar Odom (15.1 pts and 8.8 rebs.) to be “superfreaks” compared to Roy’s numbers of 19.8pts., 4.6rebs and 5.1assts. in only his 3rd season???
No offense but is my sarcasm detector failing?.. Are you kidding?…
I’ll agree that he has not yet reached LeBron or Garnett level but I certainly consider him to be more valuable… actually far more valuable… than Durant.
I do agree on one thing… I don’t like LeBron. Great player, terrible attitude.
potential homie. when those cats were in 2nd year of league their ceiling was sky high. superfreak physical gifts is what im reffering to.
has nothing to do with whether it actually panned out or not.
In many cases...
…the word “potential” is only used on those that never realize it. But I understand your point of view. It kind of makes me wonder why you’re not an Oden fan. He seems like a more physically, superfreak gifted athlete than Durant and since he hasn’t realized his potential to this point you should be pulling for him…no?
I’m not down on Durant. In fact I think he has done ALOT with his set of skills and ability. He is an all star class scorer but doesn’t really fit the superfreak physical gift tag in my book anymore than Roy does. Are you sure this isn’t about liking Durant because you’ve pre-judged Oden to be a bust like so many others…homie?
i really like oden. who said i didn't like him? oden is definetly a superfreak potential.
roy to me isn’t. durant is 6-10, who can actually dribble and shoot the lights out from 30ft unlike odom who was his exact double. durant has 7ft winglspan and high release can get that shot off against anyone.
kobe bryant after first facing durant: “and i thought tayshon prince was long.”
I gotcha...
I guess I fell into the usual Durant vs. Oden mentality that we see so much of and assumed you weren’t an Oden fan… my bad.
At any rate… Everyone has the right to support whatever player or team they want to. I just happen to favor pulling for a team over pulling for a player. If Durant..or LeBron..or even Kobe (that one hurts) were Blazers I’d be behind them 100%… but since they are not I guess I’d rather find fault in them than praise their ability… I know they are tremendously gifted athletes but they are, in the end, the enemy… Is that the wrong way to look at it?.. I don’t know but it’s the way I choose to be a fan.
Skill vs. physical phenoms
Walton wasn’t a superfreak, he was just extremely skilled at what he did.
Durant is not going to be a great player because he’s a superfreak. If he is great, it will be because the dude is an extremely skilled basketball player.
He can shoot the lights out, and can score going to the hoop. He knows how to score the ball.
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i agree. in order to fulfill your physical gift potential you need skill and mental stregnth.
roy has the later two but im not sure he is a physical freak… thats why i was saying im rooting for durant to supplant the lebron decade in the post-kobe world. thats all im saying… not saying its gonna happen but his ceiling is defintly that high. can we at least agree on his ceiling?
I agree on Durant
Roy is deceptively athletic, though, so I’m not sure I agree with you there.
But Durant has all the tools to be a great one. What he hasn’t really shown is the all-out desire that makes a guy a killer on both ends of the court. Superb on the offensive end, but not on the other end.
Is that because it isn’t there, or just because he mentally breaks down because he’s on such a rubbish team? We can’t really tell, can we?
We know this, he hasn’t found a way to carry a horrible team to average. They are still horrible. He can’t put a bad team on his back and carry them the way MJ could.
Nevertheless, it would be worth a lot to get him at our SF position, IMO. Don’t see it ever happening, unless he tells OKC he’s going to take the QO and then leave. Then, we might see a sign and trade — and we’ve got a lot of young talent to offer.
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I wouldn't pin too much hope on Durant being better than Lebron
He literally does nothing better than Lebron did at the same age, other than shoot from distance, which Lebron is not good at.
The thing that keeps Durant from being a true all-time great is the thing most missing from his game, and it isn’t defense. He has zero playmaking ability, which is what makes Lebron/Kobe/MJ truly great.
I think we make too much about Durant’s defense (if he wants to, he’ll improve there with time, even though right now he is bad enough to be specifically targeted by teams at the end of games). His total lack of ability to create for others— a skill most dominant ball handling perimeter players have at his age, and any age, and usually by default through always having the ball in their hands— is what makes his team better when he is off the court.
Durant is an AMAZING scorer. But, it is all he does, and because of it he is nowhere as close to as good as Roy is now, and not even in the same ballpark as where Lebron was at the same age. Durant is young, and I have no doubt whatsoever he will improve greatly over the years, but he is starting at such a poor place in his ALL-ROUND offensive game, I don’t see how he could feasibly even approach a Vince Carter or McGrady level of playmaker.
And it isn’t because he is selfish, or doesn’t want to win. He just… doesn’t make plays. He finishes them. On the perimeter, as your main ballhandler, that equals meaningless stats.
He will lead the league in scoring and be lauded for it, and his teammates will be blamed for when his team never wins. On the perimeter, you can be weak at defense and still win (it’s not the best way, but if ya got solid bigs behind ya or at least be a smart defender, you can get by during the regular season).
My simple formula(s) for lack of success: big men who don’t play defense but have a huge role on your team, and dominant perimeter ballhandlers who don’t make plays for others.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Aug 4, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice Post...
Very logical, well stated and gives real insight…Well done.
by Ilikeemall on Aug 5, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
so mortimer you have convinced me of two things... and a few things I disagree with.
1) i know believe that if i had to bet money on it i would bet against durant challenging lebron. you right, as of yet he hasn’t shown the ability to create plays for others. But i would say, and you mention this, that he surelly can develop this skill. Ray allen created shots simply by being able to make anything on the court with a small amount of space… durant seems to have the potential to do that times a billion. so stay tuned…
2) after reading your post, I am even MORE convinced that he would be a better fit on the blazers! If indeed he finishes plays more than making them, than he would be a great next to two players who can create shots for him (roy and miller) and a player who can get him some rebounds (pryz). having a player who is deadly from 30 ft+ (lol) would be nice too.
disagrements
1) i see more killer instinct already than you do. but that is just a scouting intepretation. I like his quotes, he seems like a guy ready to take on the spotlight.
2) about him not elevating his team yet. i dont think last year was the year to make that argument. AFTER this year if his team is still in the doldrums it can be said. Cause this is they year they are projected to be a dark horse team. last year people did not, nor did he, know how good he could be (i.e. being charged with carrying a team).
3) his defense can improve and ill say that it does given what i see of his lateral quickness on offense and his legnth. see my kobe quote above. (kobe said that after durant guarded him in their first battle in his rookie year).
4) i said this earlier… but i think it deserves repeating. durant is a gunner for sure. but he is avg close to 50% when most of his stuff is from outside. I think that puts him kind of in a different trajectory than say iverson, or even kobe. btw iverson is basically carter and mcgrady with the killer instinct… and if durant can get that than i think he surpases those guys. iverson as a gunner was great the year he took his team to finals. i always considered him a top 3 talent in those days.
finally, durants numbers from last year are LOWER than they should be. the first part of the season he was under a ridiculious pajama pj system at the 2 guard spot. afterwords, after the move to the three under the coach he didn’t hate already he exploded. Im sure you have seen the simmons numbers, i can find them for you. but at the end of the season, if you look at his game log, durant kind of falters as the team sort of loses hope. during that middle point when the team was playing hard he surpassed lebron and kobe in their yr 2. that is what i like to call a FLASH. flashes are what give me hope on oden cause he flahsed a couple games and i saw some games were teams couldn’t guard him one-on-oen in the post even with only one move. flashes mean phsyical freaks just need to work it out to get consitent but it flashes their ceiling. i think the number for durant was like 32 and 8 at like 50% and 45% something like that. not sure.
to me given what you said, and what i already think, durants bottom is perinial all-star on a losing squad (or a non-all star on a good team) and his ceiling is still lebron level.
Ray Allen playmaking versus Durant playmaking
I would not list Ray Allen as a good playmaker at all, and even he is loads better than Durant in that category. I don’t see what we have seen that suggests Durant has the potential to even be a playmaker, which is part of the problem.
I do agree he has amazing scoring ability, which can’t be discounted (but will always be overrated), and obviously amazing length. But he isn’t very quick laterally (unlike someone like Tayshaun Prince in his prime), and doesn’t use his body on defense. That is what hurts him in one on one defense and makes him targetted at the end of games, and his lack of experience with team defense hurts in general.
I firmly believe his team defense will improve, and he’ll become (like, say, Martell had) a non-negative on defense. But he’s shown no signs of being good at it, same for the playmaking— it’s just that defense normally improves with experience, unlike playmaking.
I am not arguing that Durant’s raw numbers aren’t impressive, because obviously they are. But how he gets them and how it affects the rest of his team make them matter less than they appear to.
Now, as far as a fit for the Blazers… do we NEED more offense from our SF spot? I’d say no. With already having the most efficient offense in the league and the most big time blowouts, I don’t think we need a finisher on the perimeter at all. We could use another creator, which we got in Andre Miller, but we don’t need another finisher since we got more than enough of that.
We need a star role player at SF who plays defense and not just a scorer. Durant will improve defensively, but never to the level that you ask him to go and play hard defense for 35 minutes a night.
A player getting comparisons to Kobe, Lebron, etc, would lead a team with that much raw talent (which the Thunder do have) to more than 23 wins. Our God-awful Telfair/Miles/Z-Bo led team won 21 games. Roy played 50 games and helped lead a Jack/Z-Bo led team to 32 wins. To me, it is all about the ability to elevate your teammates games mostly via playmaking, and it is a skill any great perimeter player comes into the league with.
I honestly do not mean to blast Durant so much, because he WILL lead the league in scoring and that ain’t no small potatoes. It’s just that… it is all he has shown he can do. Plus decent rebounding from the SF spot.
Because his percentages are numbers ARE amazing (which they truly, truly are— he is very efficient) he will get a lot of credit for greatness for a while until the onion is peeled and people realize why his teams aren’t very good. If I am right, anyways.
I can’t think of any who came into the league as a more-turnovers-than-assists guy who was also the primary ballhandler for his team, who then turned that around into serviceable playmaking. And if Durant just needs a great PG next to him, well, that means he isn’t on the level of Kobe or Lebron or MJ… let alone Roy.
I think Durant is a better version of a combo of Carmelo Anthony (with less inside game, more better jumper) and Kevin Martin. Very good, not great.
His youth means he could end up almost being anything. I just think we should see him get a few assists and create a few plays a game, and maybe win more than low-20s as the leader of a ballclub, before we consider him above the Danny Granger’s of the game. Still very, very, very, good though.
Mortimer
if durant can lead the league in scoring
I almost certainly would want him on the blazers. I definetly understand the point that more scoring at the three isn’t what blazers need…
but let me ask you this… to me you need three 10+ million dollar players who achieve their full potential to even think about being a championship team. How sure are you that LMA can be a number two guy? im somewhat more SURE that he can be a number 3 guy. His ceiling is certainly as good as pao, if not better, and his floor is like odom. Right now if greg is a great rebounder and defender and gives 15 a game on clean ups that would be great. Are those three players taken blaz over the top?
where you see the most efficient offensive team in the league that doesn’t need more go to options that can manufacture points down the stretch… i see a team that was somewhat one-dimensional in the post-season. all it took was a strong post defender to body up on LMA and keep him out of the paint and one strong perimter defenender to kind of slow down that great offensive machine. I really think the blazers knew they needed another player to manufacture points against defenses that can stagnate all that player movement. to me, right now, roy as a number one and durant as a number two id be more confident that would pan out. It would mean LMA could be a better number three and i woudln’t have tehse worries about him being second best player on team. if durant can be as good or even better than melo than he would be a great number two. right now there is alot of pressure on greg to be a number three caliber talent and im sure we can all agree there are at least some doubts there. although im confident it can happen. what do u think about that perspective. (btw i love different intepretations of basically the same facts)
butt aht is a seperate argument from him being a numer 1 ala lebron. He may or may not be and all i was claiming was that his ceiling is at least that high. which you seem to agree based on your comment about youth. im not saying it happens but i am rooting for it cause i hate lebron. lol.
Haha
Lebron is annoying, but I can’t deny he is amazing.
I think leading the league in scoring isn’t as good as a big man who can defend and rebound at an ELITE level— and I mean that seriously. Especially when you got a perimeter dude in Roy who scores just a bit less than Durant as it is.
If Oden is a top 3 center, I do think that is enough to put us over the top, as long as our defense keeps improving. I don’t think adding a guy who could score 30 a game helps nearly as much, since I think scoring is cheap to get.
I also think Oden has a shot to be the best center in the NBA in the long run, while Durant has next to no chance to be as good as Lebron (who plays the same position). Oden has a ways to go to be as effective as Dwight Howard, but he’s got the sheer size and potential. He’s got a shot at being the best center— and I would gladly trade the chance for the best center for a guy we know could someday soon score 30 points a game and not much else.
Part of my belief is based around the idea that I don’t think that Durant will be as good as Roy is right now. And if he isn’t as good as Roy, then we don’t need him— not when compared to a big man who can rebound, guard the hoop, and at the very least get easy garbage buckets and wrack up fouls on the other team.
Scoring is great, but it can be very overrated as far as how much it helps a team win when the scoring does not help others. You won’t find someone as efficient as Durant soon I am sure, but again… if it doesn’t help others, it means it is just empty numbers.
To me, if you have Durant and Roy on the same team, then Roy is still just as good as he has been but Durant suffers because he won’t get the ball as much as normal and thus not as many shots to take. And if he isn’t shooting (which he deserves to do), he doesn’t add much of anything else.
Since Roy is better than Durant, you want to surround Roy with players that complement Roy, which Durant does not.
Mortimer
i think we are basically on the same page.
i think if roy is ur number one and durant is number 2 and aldrige is number 3 this gives me a shot to win title in the long run. you dont.
u think roy as number one and aldridge as number 2 and oden as number 3 gives u a shot to win title. i dont.
your more skepticle of durant than i am of oden. IF oden is a top three center in this league, which i totally agree that he has superfreak potential, than they are golden cause that means oden is number 2 or even number 1 on this team.
all im saying is that if durant isn’t as good as lebron and is really a number 2 guy like carter and mcgrady should have been their whole careers than having him with a number 1 guy like roy is golden.
part of my liking durant is that pryz is there to do some of the reb and def basket sort of thing that I agree is SO important.
I think if its a Roy/LMA/Durant trio
Even with Joel you are super long on offense that doesn’t complement each other, and super short on big man presence on offense and defense.
Joel has never been a big minutes guy, and as he ages he won’t be playing more than 25 minutes on his best nights. He isn’t enough to guard the basket for 48 minutes a night, nor to cover the weak rebounding LMA and Durant bring.
I think Durant doesn’t offer what Roy would need from his SF. Roy needs a guy who can make shots, of course, but not someone who NEEDS to make shots to be useful.
Durant is certainly more talented than a #3 player on a team, but his particular skillset is too good to be just a shooter/co-scorer next to Roy (like LMA is), and his weaknesses magnify areas we are already weak at (defense, playmaking).
It’d be a waste of Durant’s sizeable scoring ability, and not provide Roy someone who makes his life easier.
Morty
Look for Al Jefferson, Nene, or Duncan
I’m pretty sure Al plays PF, so this is unlikely, but in similar posts made by lazNirv (spl?) on several SBNation blogs, Al seems the consensus pick by most when you factor in homerism picks.
Duncan might get listed at C, but this is unlikely, as SA will (as usual) make a fuss about this. This leaves really Nene, Bynum, Camby/Kaman, Oden, Okur, Okafor, Dampier (Dirk will play the 4 still), Marc Gasol, and Biedrens (spl?) from GS.
Also, I see Amare remaining as a PF. Remember, this guy started at SF this last All-Star game.
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Why yes, yes it is...
Is it too early to start thinking about All-Star balloting?
So what have you seen in this 2009-10 season by Greg on the court that merits his inclusion on the All Star team?
Anything?
Anything at all?!?
Oh, right, the season hasn’t even started yet.
Well, he has a Blazer jersey that he will probably wear, assuming nothing goes wrong and he is able to play this year. I guess that is good for a couple votes from some people…
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Dumb comment, timbo
All-Star balloting has never been about play, it’s always about hype. You should know that.
Is it ever too early for hype?
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by jscot on Aug 3, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. Pretty much all hype
Allen Iverson was an all star starter this year.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I have nothing against AI,
but I hope he signs in Greece so it will look even more ridiculous when American NBA fans vote him into the All-Star game.
It would certainly be comical if Oden was on the all-star ballot next year is Joel
is still the better Blazer center 2 months into the season. But like you say – it’s about hype.
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Certainly has a chance too
as long as duncan doesn’t play center and greg makes the improvements that are expected. glad the two biggest vote stealers, shaq and yao are out for a while

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