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The Blazersedge Guide to Understanding the Media

A Fanpost from reader Stalker about John Canzano opened up an interesting topic for me:  the relationship between Portland (particularly Blazer) fans and their media.  Having been around for a while now, we Blazersedge guys are passing familiar with most of the media people in the team's orbit.  Name somebody who covers the team.  We've probably talked with them on multiple occasions.  We are first and foremost a fan blog, of course, but we've also taken on attributes of the media ourselves.  From this half-world and with these connections we can bring some perspective about the folks who cover the team that you're not likely to hear elsewhere.  Most particularly, I'd like to sort out some of the myths and realities that often fly when people discuss and debate media figures.

Because some of the discussion about media folks is fraught with accusations, I'm going to deal with some of those first.  Keep in mind that this is only my observation, but it's founded in a modicum of experience at least.  Click past the jump to begin...

Star-divide

Do media folks sometimes make more of a story or issue than it deserves?  You bet they do.  Being a member of the media corps is like running on a treadmill with a ravenous lion waiting at the back.  Kitty needs to eat.  If you don't come up with something digestible and filling Kitty is going to eat you.  So you run to the next story, churn it out, and toss it to the lion.  But even as you toss the treadmill is still churning under your feet.  Where's the next morsel?  More running, more tossing, more sounds of snapping jaws behind you.  The treadmill never stops.  You are responsible for story after story after story. 

Media people usually know the difference between a cracker snack and a seven-course meal for Leo.  They also know that their livelihoods depend on keeping him full.  If occasionally they have to make a snack pass for a meal, that's part of the job.  They're going to glom a few of those crackers together, pump them with filling, write "YUMMY ZEBRA STEAK" in big, bold letters on the top, and toss away.  Column space and airwave hours have to be filled no matter what.

Fortunately there's usually enough real news that story inflation isn't necessary.  But yes, you do see it from time to time.

Do media folks have biases?  Of course they do.  And they do creep into the work.  But it doesn't usually happen the way you think.  Relatively few media people come with pre-existing, unchangeable biases towards their subject.  The ones who do almost always identify themselves as columnists or entertainers rather than pure journalists anyway, so you can see it coming.  However no media person is above wanting to be a correct, truthful, dependable source of information and analysis.  In order for that to bear out the things they say have to be correct, true, and dependably so.  Therefore while few media folks possess pre-existing biases, almost all of them tend to be biased towards whatever account they end up putting in print or sending out over the airwaves.  Their reputation hangs on the credibility of their reports and therefore they'll tend to defend the credibility the same way they'd defend their reputation.  Obviously they've done research before making their stories public so most of them are on highly-defensible ground.  However occasionally you'll get a story from a single source (albeit highly placed) or a rumor that turns out to be either untrue or the wrong perspective on the truth.  When that happens the guy who ran with the story is often the last guy to realize or admit it isn't right.  That bias creeps in fairly often.

This is also one of the reasons that I, being somewhat freed from the need to feed the lion the same way journalists do, will tend to be more cautious in stating something as fact and quite clear about what is actual news versus my own opinion.  I fear that I wouldn't be above this kind of bias.  I doubt most humans would.  So I try to get into the 90th percentile of certainty, or at least reason, before I'll put something out there as bankable lest I get stuck in the tar of my own anticipation.

Do media folks love or hate the teams they cover?  Most I've encountered are interested in the team.  Most also enjoy the rub they get when the team does well or at least makes news.  In that sense you could equate media folks with fans, as they generally like the team succeeding.  The motivations are quite different though.  I've not met many media people outside of the organization itself who ride the ups and downs the way fans do.  Thus I'd say accusations of "loving" or "hating" the team are generally inaccurate.

More common, I think, are feelings towards individuals in the organization.  These feelings are often developed based on how easy or difficult those individuals make the media member's job.  Some are also based on observations, reported or not, that media members can make because of their proximity.  Either way, the positive or negative feelings towards the individual are based on criteria wholly different than the general public employs (how good a player is, what they say on camera, etc.).  Therefore the general fan's assessment of a media-person's feelings toward a given subject are usually inaccurate in both absolute and causal terms.

Do media folks make up stories to get attention or help/hurt someone?  It may happen, but I'll be honest with you...I've not seen it.  Talking to folks in all stripes of media I've come away with the impression that they honestly believe what they're saying, at least in the moment they say it.  I've not talked to anyone and then listened/seen/read them later and thought, "Wait a minute!  They're totally lying!"  For various reasons media folks may not share everything they know.  They may not always bring both (or all) sides of an issue to the fore.  But they're generally not making stuff up for your benefit and they're not lying about how they feel or what they see.

Do national media folks have a bias for or against certain teams?  National media folks want one thing:  a good story.  Interesting stories increase their readership/listenership/viewership.  I've got a secret for you too.  Yes, jetting all over the country to cover sports is a glamour job the same way doughnuts are a glamour snack for Homer Simpson.  Anyone remember the episode where Homer sold his soul to the devil, got sent to hell, and had to eat sixty billion doughnuts?  Sure, Homer savored every last one but most of these guys ain't Homer Simpsons.  At a certain point the routine takes on a sameness.  You're talking to athletes getting the same six quotes from every one of them no matter what the position or uniform.  You're covering the same game with the same timing, boundaries, and rules.  A great story is about the only thing that breaks up the monotony.  So these guys would sell their left leg to find one.  If it appears one is developing they're going to root like heck for it to happen.

Many of the accusations of media bias come from fans of teams who don't have a great chance of generating good stories.  They're not vying for a championship.  They don't have the easily-recognizable star.  They don't cater to high-population areas.  I wouldn't go so far as to say national media folks root against those teams.  They're going to enjoy their Ruth's Chris porterhouse after the game just the same no matter who wins.  They're going to be on the plane the next morning and off to the next assignment no matter what.  The win or loss won't stick with them a bit.  However if you were faced with a choice between covering the Golden State-Sacramento game or the L*kers-Cavaliers, which would you choose?  Which would bring out more enthusiasm or better stories?

Good media folks can find good stories in anything that comes their way.  They'd be able to cover Blazers-Cavaliers as well as L*kers-Cavaliers.  But you can't blame them for preferring the easier road from time to time.

Is Media Member X an idiot?  Usually not.  Most of these guys are accomplished and quite mentally agile, at least in their chosen field.  If the coverage begs to differ from time to time I would invite you to scour up every word that you've made public:  every paper you've turned in for school, every sentence you've uttered in a job interview, everything you've posted here or said when calling in to the radio.  I'm comfortably sure that in everyone's work you will find one or two shining gems of inanity.  These guys have an incredibly hard job.  Every time they speak professionally tens of thousands of people hear.  99% of those words hit home.  That other 1% probably doesn't reflect much besides them being human.  If we had to fill ten inches of column space or three hours of radio on a consistent basis I wonder how we'd do, especially after the first couple of years.

Having heard and addressed these questions I now have a couple to pose.

First, cribbing from my old friend Pontius Pilate, what is truth in sports?  Pick any issue you wish to discuss.  Can you find one, immovable, incontrovertible truth...even a small one?  You can't name a statistic without someone else coming up with another to counter it.  You can't praise a player without someone else coming up with six others to consider.  Who is the best rebounder in the league?  The best scorer?  The team that gets the most out of its talent?  You're never going to answer those questions.  Nor will everybody agree what went on in last night's game, let alone the causes for such.  There is no truth.  There are just multiple layers of analysis, some probably more accurate and meaningful than others but none in themselves sufficient.  Understanding this it's easy to understand that even the best media people are only bringing you a slice of the truth.  Even when quoting the GM word-for-word they can't bring you the whole picture because the GM doesn't have it either.  Complaining because a media member doesn't bring the same slice of truth that you hold is presumptuous and downright counterproductive.  The primary benefit of these sources is that they bring us stuff we didn't know and open up new possibilities to consider.  The more slices you have the more complete the picture becomes.  Even if you never arrive at a single, immutable truth at least you piece together the house in which it resides, giving you a better sense of its shape and purpose.

Second, what good is it really to exhaust a year's supply of vinegarish causticity upon these folks when they're just doing their jobs?  This is especially true when, as we just said, most of the sturm und drang comes because they had the temerity to say something that people disagree with or haven't considered.  Those can actually be the most valuable pieces of information we get, even if they ultimately bear less truth than the maxims with which we are more comfortable.  To be challenged is not to be wronged.

I remember early on in the history of Blazersedge a prominent media member told me that this was one of the few sites he visited because even when readers disagreed with him, they did so in a fair, provocative, and informative way.  The world in general seems to have gotten much more bitter since then and I often see comments that reflect it.  I wonder if his assessment would be the same now?  I always cringe when I see someone take out the whipping stick on a media person with no real reasoning except to vomit emotion.  At the end of the day these are real people.  They have to do their job by whatever conscience guides them.  Any of them who would change their ways because some anonymous dude got randomly and indefensibly upset isn't worth their salt. Criticism, even if sharp, is helpful when well-explained and justified.  Maybe folks will remember this article next time they're tempted to leave that other sort of comment.

Love them or hate them, the media will be with us as long as there are sports to be watched.  Swallowed without consideration any source is going to lead you astray.  But properly understood and chewed upon, it's perfectly possible to make a healthy, satisfying meal out of the cornucopia of sources available to us.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)   

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Living far away from the Blazers

I most generally just think of media people as news that I strive for. I can see the bias as well as the unbiased. Many report what they see, not what they feel while others try to bend the truth to what they believe or want to believe.

Listening to Dave, Casey, and Dawson (sp) on their podcast (by the way when is the next one), I can hear three different opinions on one subject or one person; all three don’t vary from the truth to far, but gives their opinion on the bases of how they feel. I don’t always agree with any of them, but being that starving lion, I will eat all of it just for some food.

I don’t dislike media people; I don’t know any of them personally. I do disagree from time to time, but I know only what I hear from the announcers or what I read. Therefore, I don’t consider myself as a good source of the truth.

I do have the tendency to dislike certain writing styles. I dislike the media people on talk shows that only let the fans that are affirmative of what they say give an opinion. But even then, it is great to hear or read when you are the starving lion.

hg

by BBK on Aug 28, 2009 2:02 AM PDT reply actions  

The Blazers

are ripping up their studio and putting in new equipment. That’s putting the kibosh on using said studio for podcasting. It’s killing me too. But as soon as the new stuff is in we’ll be back.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 28, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for your reply.

While I have your attention, since I can’t get a reply from Casey, Do you have any news on what games KGW are broadcasting? Living far away and no Comcast, watching on KGW and the national Televised games helps a lot on feeding the starving lion.

hg

by BBK on Aug 28, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do not.

Have you checked the schedule on Blazers.com? They usually show TV dates. I don’t know if KGW is up yet though.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 28, 2009 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have checked

I will keep checking.

Thank you

hg

by BBK on Aug 28, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

JC as drama queen

I usually like listening to Cazano. But the one thing that will make me flip to a political talk show is listening to him stir the pot and try to create a story where one doesn’t exist. For example, making Bayless repeat three times that, No, he isn’t seething at coach for not giving him more minutes and, yes, he is learning and is confident he will get more minutes when coach thinks he is ready. JC then acts like a kid whose fun has been spoiled because he couldn’t get a fight started at recess.

Why does he descend to such juvenile antics?

Even if JB were really not completely satisfied, it just sounds classless to attempt to pry loose some festering emotion where the athlete is taking the high road.

by oldguyoldfan on Aug 28, 2009 3:57 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

i'd love to see a player

totally yank JC’s chain. then go to the rest of the media and say somethign along the lines of “well, he REALLY seemed to want a story, so I thought I’d give him one. Naw, it’s totally not true, I was just trying to make the poor guy happy.”

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Aug 28, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be contrarian or anything, but

Dave, you appear to be in contradiction between calling for moderation when media members are “just doing their jobs” and earlier noting that media members tend to feel toward people in a team’s organization based on “how easy or difficult those individuals make the media member’s job.” You could be taken as someone defending the jobs of pundits and reporters and everyone else, fans and Blazers staff included, should adjust their behavior accordingly. That is, if media people can love or hate organizational people based on how easy the latter make their job, why can’t fans love or hate pundits based on how easy they make it to love their team? I hope I haven’t taken you out of context, but I am moved to wonder what level of responsibility people in the media have for their choice of profession.

I’m coming from this point of view. People like Canzano and Jason Quick chose their jobs, and seem to delight in making their share of controversial pronouncements, which themselves seem (call me crazy) custom-made to elicit the fan reaction you decry. Canzano, for instance, would still be writing about college football in a newspaper if he didn’t have the ambition for celebrity, so he worked his way to being a columnist, then a local radio pundit. I see lots of purposefulness here. I think everyone here would laugh out loud if they heard a national politician or movie star decry the paparazzi and tabloids which intrude into their private lives. They wanted the life of fame.

That being said, I think I agree with the spirit in which you write. I myself can’t stand to listen to call-in radio shows (either sports or politics related) because I can’t recall hearing a listener say anything interesting. I would be embarrassed if caught gawking at celebrities in public, and if I saw one would most want to leave them alone in peace. I found your understanding of the job of reporting insightful, and I really appreciate your perspective. I never knew exactly what motivated reporters to find a good story out of the “same old story” game after game, but your view really made that clear. Thank you.

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Your first paragraph starts, IMO, a great topic for discussion

Personally, I think the key is understanding the presuppositions underlying each of the two groups you mention.

For the members of the media, your point supposes a perspective of “team officials should cooperate with me”.

For the fans, your point supposes a perspective of “the media should help me love the team”

I think those are very different presuppositions. Meaning that I’m not convinced that they can be compared in the same light.

That being said, I agree fully with your second paragraph. Media members absolutely need to both understand and take responsibility for their career choice.

by Storyteller on Aug 28, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant to emphasize that point more than I did

And now that you put it that clearly, that really strikes me as being a problem.

On the other hand, I think it highlights why this site is so successful: because that contradiction is pretty much absent.

I’ve been on several SB fansites and, of course, other sports websites like OregonLive.com’s. Some of them can be of interest at times, but for the most part my response is tepid. That’s probably because they don’t have Dave writing for them, and articles like these most every day.

Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically

by OhOhOden on Aug 28, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent piece Dave.

Some of your points in defense of the media needed to be said. I hope it helps.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Regarding the media "just doing their jobs"

I would like to quote Cool Hand Luke.

Nah – calling it your job don’t make it right, Boss.

Just as there are folks who probably don’t like reading my comments, I refuse to read or listen to Canzano. He’s the TMZ of Portland media and I find the behavior of TMZ and others of that ilk despicable.

by tominhawaii on Aug 28, 2009 5:50 AM PDT reply actions  

What comments?

Never see you post anymore. Are you hanging out in the Junk Drawer? (I pretty much ignore that.)

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Aug 28, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep, just ignore him

If you don’t like his stuff don’t read or listen. I used to get all worked up about
it and post negative comments, but that just feeds JC’s hype machine.

I personally enjoy your comments TIH. Keep ’em coming, I needs me some more
TIH humor.

by hellsfrozenover on Aug 28, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point about the biases towards certain players

It seems as if we as fans always assume athletes are fairly similar to us so interviewing them should be pretty standard, but for the most part, these guys have had lives nothing like the vast majority of just because of the commitment it takes to become one of the best people in the world at something. To quote the late David Foster Wallace about elite athletes (from Esquire via (from TH)

    Americans revere athletic excellence, competitive success, and it’s more than lip service we pay; we vote with our wallets. We’ll pay large sums to watch a truly great athlete; we’ll reward him with celebrity and adulation and will even go so far as to buy products and services he endorses.

    But it’s better for us not to know the kinds of sacrifices the professional-grade athlete has made to get so very good at one particular thing. Oh, we’ll invoke lush clichés about the lonely heroism of Olympic athletes, the pain and analgesia of football, the early rising and hours of practice and restricted diets, the preflight celibacy, et cetera. But the actual facts of the sacrifices repel us when we see them: basketball geniuses who cannot read, sprinters who dope themselves, defensive tackles who shoot up with bovine hormones until they collapse or explode. We prefer not to consider closely the shockingly vapid and primitive comments uttered by athletes in postcontest interviews or to consider what impoverishments in one’s mental life would allow people actually to think the way great athletes seem to think. Note the way “up close and personal” profiles of professional athletes strain so hard to find evidence of a rounded human life — outside interests and activities, values beyond the sport. We ignore what’s obvious, that most of this straining is farce. It’s farce because the realities of top-level athletics today require an early and total commitment to one area of excellence. An ascetic focus37. A subsumption of almost all other features of human life to one chosen talent and pursuit. A consent to live in a world that, like a child’s world, is very small.

    (Footnote 37: Sex and substance issues notwithstanding, professional athletes are our culture’s holy men: They give themselves over to a pursuit, endure great privation and pain to actualize themselves at it, and enjoy a relationship to ‘excellence’ and ‘perfection’ that we admire and reward (the monk’s begging bowl, the RBI guru’s eight-figure contract) and like to watch, even though we have no inclination to walk that road ourselves. In other words, they do it for us, sacrifice themselves for our redemption.)

I don’t mean to insult any Blazers here, but just to point out that professional athletes, for the most part, are not “just like us.”

by Royster on Aug 28, 2009 6:17 AM PDT reply actions  

If they were 'just like us'

they wouldn’t be interesting to watch. I am entertained by basketball players because – and only because – they can do things that I cannot do.

Therefore, I should be not be shocked that they are not like me in other aspects of life. I might not care for the differences and might even critique certain decisions made by athletes, but that there are differences should not be shocking.

by Storyteller on Aug 28, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's exactly the point

They aren’t like fans in their outside lives at all because of what they’ve had to do to get where they are, and yet I get the feeling that most fans feel they are. That the players are just normal people who happen to be disproportionately good at basketball, so when Ron Artest does something ridiculous, Michael Beasley goes to rehab, or Brandon Jennings says something about Ricky Rubio it’s a sign that they have some sort of character flaw because “no one they know would do something like that”.

This has almost nothing to do with Canzano, but more to do with sports journalism in general. It seems like it’d be a pretty cheap score to pile on about these things (i.e. jumping on Derrick Rose for not scoring the laughably low SAT requirement), but journalists overall have done a pretty good job overall of acknowledging these sacrifices and respecting them.

by Royster on Aug 28, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some people 'just do their jobs' poorly and some 'just do their jobs' well

There’s your difference.

I think for the most part we want our local sports reporters to be very interested in our hometown team, we want them to act like adults and we want them to give us good information.

Unfortunately our options are pretty limited there.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Aug 28, 2009 6:54 AM PDT reply actions  

JC is good at what he does

I happen to despise what he does with a passion. He attempts to create drama. That’s his job. It just happens that I’m not a fan of people who do that and I happen to think that society if filled with far to many people like that and they are harmful to society.

It doesn’t facilitate conversation because people are presented with black and white and they then take root in black and white without a willingness to come to a middle ground. there is no middle ground. Conversation and thoughtfulness instead becomes people yelling at each other with soundbites/slogans.

It’s not about telling portland the truth, it’s about aggravating the fans and getting reactions. It’s not about careful planning and letting players mature three years down the road, it’s about improvement in the next five minutes regardless of what that means in the future.

It’s JC’s job and I really dislike his job. His job is the only means i have of knowing JC, therefore I dislike JC.

I can’t really do anything about it so I don’t listen to his show and I don’t read his columns anymore unless someone links it in BE, and then it’s usually something that was half way decent.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Aug 28, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I'd also argue

media people may be doing their jobs, but not all jobs are useful or beneficial to the community.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Aug 28, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

The job of columnist is what JC is so poor at
It’s JC’s job and I really dislike his job. His job is the only means i have of knowing JC, therefore I dislike JC.

I’m sure there’s a columnist you like — that most of us like — more than JC.

I wish Portland had a columnist like Adande.

"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy

by Dodoh on Aug 29, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another reason I dislike JC

And I could go on forever, so I’ll limit myself to this one …

he’s a poor writer. He’s not good at his craft. And by going on the radio, he diminishes his column, (and his blog, because the blog is now part of JC, and Quick’s and Freeman’s, responsibilities).

So when you talk about the hungry lion, radio (and the Internet) make that lion even bigger, hungrier, and nastier. But I’m an old print curmudgeon, so that’s my obvious bias there.

My favorite columnists are classic print writers who can weave and spin a tale or two, or just use their wit and writerly talent on dry days. And these guys are dedicated to finding fresh things to write about. I think they are just about completely faded from view.

Joe Posnanski in Kansas City is a good one still in practice.

"I didn't know I was going to score 52 so I didn't think to Tivo it or nothin." -B Roy

by Dodoh on Aug 29, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I, for one, do not want to be forced into the role of a scavenger!

Dave,

A well written piece that I enjoyed reading.

I even get the point about some fans being so overly critical that they bear the risk of descending into the nether regions. I would even buy the analogy of the lions crying out to be fed, but I also think it is entirely possible that you are too close to, "the media," yourself to really see it from a pure fans perspective, and therefore you may have a tendency to become irrationally defensive yourself.

You become an advocate for the defense of the, "the process." I don’t think that the process is a good enough excuse. What about rising above the process? What about holding to some standards that say, "I will not prostitute myself in order to feed the lions?"

I hate to be lied to. And although you say you do not feel these pied pipers don’t go so far as to say or print what they know to be false; I do not agree. You infer there is always an out, always an excuse, sort of like the layers of an onion with no absolute truth. That is excellent rhetoric, and it is true that ultimate truth is almost impossible to come by, but I will not agree that that sinking feeling in one’s gut is not readily available. People know when they are going against their own consciences. Readers, fans, can perceive when media members are going too far for self serving reasons.

And don’t we all hate to be patronized? I don’t care if I am at church, at my job listening to my boss, or reading an article in the newspaper. I want to hear the truth, or at least the closest thing to it that the power broker’s conscience can provide. Again, I don’t think it is unreasonable to tell people not to lie to you, or to ask not to be fed the food of scavengers.

There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.

by KINGofMACct on Aug 28, 2009 7:38 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree Completely...

I will give jounralists some leeway as far as making self-correcting course changes on their treadmilll of producing stories. They whould be perfectly aware of not only the consciences that KINGofMACct points out above but also fan reaction. And no, no mob reaction but honest fan reaction, which is resident among your peers and the upper player of commentary swirling about any story.

You see the reaction, you change, you learn, and you find your way.

I think Quick makes course corrections.

I think Canzano has learned to revel in and feed hysterical mob reaction. I find it disgraceful. And I do not agree that the process justifies his work. Quick’s work—warts and all—raises the level of basketball appreciation (or at least strives to). Canzano’s work does nothing of the sort—it only demeans and raises the overall level of unhappiness around the profession.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Aug 28, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only 4 more days until we officially reach september.

August 30th seems far away from the start of the season. Yet September 1st makes it seem just around the corner.

by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 28, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions  

JC serves a purpose, but his purpose is no longer needed

I actually enjoy the rest of the media. Yes, from time to time they say something out of line or incorrect, but what do you expect from someone that writes 100s of columns per year or does 100s of shows per year.

Anyway, back to JCs purpose. He was instrumental in exposing the underbelly of the Blazers transgressions earlier this decade. Way before that, he did the same thing for Bob Knight, Barry Bonds, Jerry Tarkanian, and etc. Luckily for us, the Trailblazers have turned the ship around. We don’t need a whistleblower any more. If things start going south again, then I’d love to have him back, but for right now, I think his skill are best suited elsewhere. He is wasting his strengths by staying in Portland. He could probably be much more successful, maybe even a national columnist/host if he turned his attention to an NFL team that needs to be cleaned up.

I get the paper, so I don't care!

by Name's Ash on Aug 28, 2009 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Give JC a break....

with the departure of Zach and Darius, he can no longer use the " I’m working " excuse with his girlfriend , for hanging out in strip clubs. ; )

by FrenchieFan on Aug 28, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

If these guys are so great at reporting the news then why did ESPN fire Stephen A Smith? We all called

that one. Who hasn’t seen the video where he bashes KP on drafting Roy and Aldridge. Then after we draft Oden he does the “bitter” flip flop. Some media really does have a bias. If it were up to Stephen A Smith he’d have a show dedicated to talking about Stephon Marbury. The topic could be the Blazers and he’ll start talking about the Knicks.

by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 28, 2009 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Dave, i have to contend that you seem biased towards the media

must b a slow day in blazerland.

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by BlazerFan1 on Aug 28, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

another beef about Canzano

One particular incident that irked me about Canzano was a few months ago when he had Pritchard on, and Canzano was saying how Pritchard seemed depressed, or something along those lines.

I couldn’t see where he came up with that notion, Pritchard seemed to me to be in perfectly sunny spirits.

The whole thing about how big a loss it was not to get Turkoglu, and how it reflected on Portland being too small-town to attract major talent, I thought that was a load of bunk also- a lot of people questioned whether the Turkoglu deal would have been beneficial to the Blazers anyway. And, the way the deal played out was probably just due to one wild card factor, namely that Turk’s wife wanted to be in an international city with a Turkish community.

You can’t extrapolate that specific quirk of the Turkoglu situation to the NBA as a whole.

In general, a big part of the problem is the media thrives on action- the fact that the Blazers had little or no need to make any changes from last year to this and the biggest danger was that they would make changes in violation of the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” principle, something whether by design or by good fortune (the Turkoglu deal falling through) failed to happen, resulted in a Blazer team that accomplished the most important thing in the off season- not screwing the team up, but also resulted in a very boring news season, thus causing journalists with too much time on their hands to try to manufacture drama where none exists.

by lsjogren on Aug 28, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

“It’s JC’s job and I really dislike his job. His job is the only means i have of knowing JC, therefore I dislike JC.

I can’t really do anything about it so I don’t listen to his show and I don’t read his columns anymore unless someone links it in BE, and then it’s usually something that was half way decent."

How can you dislike Canzano’s show on account of Canzano, he’s never on his own show anyway! (which is the best thing about it)

by lsjogren on Aug 28, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

REally?

I listened once for about two hours. I was hungry for the meat, but all he talked about was some basketball coach who coached females and how parents sent their kids to him despite accusations he was a molester, or something along those lines.

I just found the whole thing disgusting. I admit there may be value for others, but it really just felt like gossip. I haven’t listened since so I really have no idea how any other of his shows run.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Aug 28, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

but... but... but... he's a columnist...

and i totally 100% agree. For me he’s lumped into all the other talking heads that spew drama and inaccurate facts.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Aug 28, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

once upon a time

inaccurate facts that were distributed in a purposeful manner were called lies.

Now they’re called opinions or swept under the rug.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on Aug 28, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've been reading a lot of Chesterton lately.
It is the one great weakness of journalism as a picture of our modern existence, that it must be a picture made up entirely of exceptions. We announce on flaring posters that a man has fallen off a scaffolding. We do not announce on flaring posters that a man has not fallen off a scaffolding. Yet this latter fact is fundamentally more exciting, as indicating that that moving tower of terror and mystery, a man, is still abroad upon the earth. That the man has not fallen off a scaffolding is really more sensational; and it is also some thousand times more common. But journalism cannot reasonably be expected thus to insist upon the permanent miracles. Busy editors cannot be expected to put on their posters, “Mr. Wilkinson Still Safe,” or “Mr. Jones, of Worthing, Not Dead Yet.” They cannot announce the happiness of mankind at all. They cannot describe all the forks that are not stolen, or all the marriages that are not judiciously dissolved. Hence the complex picture they give of life is of necessity fallacious; they can only represent what is unusual. However democratic they may be, they are only concerned with the minority.

-G. K. Chesterton

I think this is true in sports journalism as well. Perhaps it is less pronounced. Especially locally. But I still see it. The sensational is reported with much more vigor than the ordinary. Still, we see the ordinary lives of our Blazers in Local Sports Journalism. But that’s because they’re celebrity. That in itself makes them the unusual to which Chesterton refers.

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by T Darkstar on Aug 28, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Tragic, yes. Weakness? I'm not so sure.

I agree with Chesterson that journalism must be made up entirely (or nearly entirely) of exceptions. Isn’t that what defines ‘news’? Something out of the ordinary?

It’s tragic that what often becomes news is the ‘negative’ exceptions – the tragedies, the mistakes. And I wish that the ‘positive’ exceptions were more readily reported (they’re out there).

But I’m not convinced that this is a weakness of journalism. It might be that how journalism is practiced, by often focusing more on the negative than the positive exceptions, is a tragic use of newsworthiness. But there is nothing intrinsic in saying that journalism focuses on exceptions that demands that negative exceptions are the journalistic rule.

by Storyteller on Aug 28, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

This just in:

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

"I never learned from a man who agreed with me." - Robert A. Heinlein

by Mr.Howl on Aug 28, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you find one, immovable, incontrovertible truth…even a small one?

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Yes, the team that has the most points at the end of the game wins

by The Arkitect on Aug 28, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, there are plenty of 'truths'

However there are even more opinions that get portrayed as truth.

Who’s the best scorer in the NBA? Some say Wade using his scoring average title from 2008-09. Some say Bryant or James using other statistics (and I’m probably missing others who are part of the argument).

Nobody denies that Wade scored more points per game in 2008-09 than any other NBA player. But plenty will deny that his scoring title ‘fact’ leads to the conclusion that he now holds the title of Best Scorer in the NBA. Debating conclusions, not facts. But people often use facts to make jumps in logic.

“Of course B is true. A is true. That makes B true. Can’t you see that?”

by Storyteller on Aug 28, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely… I was just pointing out that in Sports there are some Truth’s that can’t be argued… like wins and losses… you can argue what the stats mean, but you can’t argue the stats

by The Arkitect on Aug 28, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

But do we stop with the fact of wins and losses

or do we not then extrapolate from them either the future, the credit or the blame?

by lee3022 on Aug 28, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, we extrapolate, but Dave didn’t ask about a series of incontrovertible truths… just one, and in the instant of winning or losing, it is incontrovertible

by The Arkitect on Aug 29, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

USA vs Russia 1972

A three-pointer is not a "triple." A triple is a hit in baseball.
A three-pointer is not a "trey." A trey is either an ESPN sportscaster or something that bad spellers eat cafeteria food on. - Dave on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT
A trey is actually a playing card or die or domino having three pips. - pipgras on July 31, 2009 9:22 PM PDT

by GustyJ on Aug 28, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

you can argue about how they got to the outcome, but the outcome itself is incontrovertible… when the game was over, Russia won because they scored more points

by The Arkitect on Aug 28, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do media folks make up stories to get attention or help/hurt someone?

yes

by Ben Golliver on Aug 28, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

RT: ravenous lion waiting at the back. Kitty needs to eat

Fans (and editors) are like that Venus fly trap in Little Shop of Horrors

“Feed me”

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Aug 28, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Blazer Fan World

I’m inclined to agree with Dave’s view that journalists like Quick are doing a job, and often deserve to be cut a little slack. His role in our constructed world of basketball fandom is to give us a behind the scenes look at what goes on day to day within the organization. Feed the kitty, etc. Canzano’s role is different. A few years ago (when the 200 level corner seats where still mostly empty) Canzano sat down to chatted with us for 10 minutes. There was already longstanding animosity in our group from his Duck coverage, but Canzano was very pleasant and it was nice to talk Blazers with him. But that was real life, not Blazer Fan World. In Blazer Fan World we love the Blazers and hate the L*kers. With passion. In real life maybe I’d like Pau Gasol and not like Rudy, I have no idea. As a fan it’s the complete opposite. In our fan world Canzano plays the role of the antagonist, and he does it well. In this sense the vitriol on BE is justified, earned, deserved. Cursing him on the street would be inexcusable. We’re “inside the arena” so to speak. Canzano’s role as antagonist cements Blazer Fan unity by heightening the “us vs. them” mentality. In the upcoming season there will be heated arguments over issues like PT for Miller v. Blake or Oden v. Pryz. Canzano will write and article suggesting we trade LMA, or something equally inane. We’ll all step back and agree, Canzano sucks! For that, we can thank him.

by rawbean on Aug 28, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Why can't media types ask a question without offering the answer?

This drives me to the snack food drawer and away from the TV faster than anything. TV personality X says/asks, “It looks like you came out aggressive in the first quarter, was that the game plan?” Well, duh! (sorry, Rebecca) That’s ALWAYS the game plan! It’s just sometimes the players don’t actually do that. But the player with the mike in his face is obligated to say, “Yes, coach wanted us to come out aggressive.” And we learn absolutely zero from the interview.

Or my personal favorite, “You had a great game tonight as a team, was the plan to get everyone involved?” Media darlings, the plan is always to get everyone involved – and then whoever is actually scoring gets more of the involvement. The plan is never to give Brandon the ball for 48 minutes and go 4 down while he isolates. That may be the plan on key possessions at the end of the game. But please – we suit up 5 players for a reason.

Just once, I’d like to hear a question with some intelligence to it such as, “It looked like you were switching on the pick and roll early, and that wasn’t working too well – so you started to play through the picks. Was that an on the fly – on the court call, or did Nate change the defense?”

It seems to me that the reporters often treat as morons, and while some of us are, my guess is way more are not than they give us credit for. And by treating us that way, those of us who are morons never get any smarter about the game.

by Memphremagog on Aug 28, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Intelligence does not sell...dumbed down does

Memph, your post is great. I agree with you whole-heartedly. How refreshing would it be to see someone conduct an interview with a player that actually did not ask the obvious? More poor interviewing examples would be things like…“So how happy are you with tonights win?” Come on. Here’s what Roy should say… “You know, tonights win wasn’t as good as the win two games back. That one was just better Rebecca. Tonights win probably ranked a 6 out of 10 whereas the win before ranked closer to an 8 or 9.”

Anyways, I appreciated your post and wanted to let you know I notice the same interviewing blemishes that you do.

by ish333 on Aug 28, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the problem I have with Adrian W. over at Yahoo! Sports

is that he was getting quotes from a certain “biased” GM that was a former Blazer employee and now has an axe to grind. Using statements such as, “one Western Conference GM says”, is just wrong. What do other Western Conference GMs have to say? Did you even bother to get their opinion? Or did they give a conflicting answer so the choice was to not print their quote, because it would have contradicted the story? To me that’s manipulative and deceptive. He ends up being nothing more than a tool for a GM’s bitter grapes, rather than coming across as “accomplished” and “mentally agile”.

Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Aug 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Dave, I agree about too much causticity. I disagree with you about why.

A heavy dose of the causticity I see here is due to the reader’s frustration with local sources that routinely promote themselves as the topic. When I get bait-and-switched by what is labeled as a Blazer column but find out more about the writer than the player, a little vinegar is justified.

However, commenting multiple times about how a media cat trots out the same formulaic gibberish gets pendantic and in the end plays into the problem of the media being the story.

by lama on Aug 28, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Truth vs Perception

There is a difference between truth and perception. In my early adulthood, in everything there had the be one truth. There was a right way and every differing opinion was wrong. Ah.. those were the days!

I still forget at times, but what I have come to appreciate is that regarding people and events there are uncountable perceptions and each perception may claim itself as truth. In nearly all cases that the truth is never fully known. When the perceptions of the majority align sufficiently, action is taken for the corporate decisions such as laws and regulations. When perceptions of fans align sufficiently, there is a broader clamor for action. But rarely do two people that think some action is necessary agree completely on the causes or reasons for such actions.

So the media bring us informed perceptions. They differ from one another, allowing us to either choose the one who agrees most with our own perceptions or strike out against the ones who we disagree with.

But not so fast….. media can and do deliberately omit the other side as pointed out by Dave as well. It is when the other side (hidden) would significantly alter the perception of the readers that we begin to form judgments about that media person. The same is true of you and me. We want to make a case and rarely present the other side for our readers. So why is this different? Because the media have nearly exclusive access that we are denied. They are expected to represent (pool theory) the information in a non-opinionated way with all of their perspectives. ESPN and other cable channels have been a huge catalyst recent years to sell sensationalism. They needed to wrench us away from the near-dominance of the national networks and it worked. Wikipedia has a good article on sensationalism.

Sensationalism is a manner of being extremely controversial, loud, or attention grabbing. It is especially applied to the emphasis of the unusual or atypical. It is also a form of theatre

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In the extreme case, the media would report the news if it makes a good story, without much regard for the factual accuracy or social relevance.

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Such stories are often perceived (rightfully, or mistakenly) as partisan or biased due to the sensational nature in which they are reported. A media piece may report on a political figure in a biased way or present one side of an issue while deriding another, or neutrally, it may simply include sensational aspects such as zealots, doomsayers and/or junk science. Complex subjects and affairs are often subject to sensationalism. Exciting and emotionally charged aspects can be drawn out without providing elements such as pertinent background, investigative, or contextual information needed for the viewer to form his or her opinion on the subject.

But wait – here is the other side from the same article.

It is difficult, therefore, to resist the conclusion – however unpleasant and unfashionable – that the bulk of the blame for the amount of sensationalism that continues to appear in the news rests not only with media corporations, no matter how greedy, but with our natures

There is a good discussion of the reality of viewers in sensationalism in broadcasts which continues.

Thompson (1999) explains that the term ‘mass’ which is connected to broadcasting, suggests a ‘vast audience of many thousands, even millions of passive individuals’. When sensationalism used through broadcasting is combined with this concept of the passive mass audience, it is assumed the audience consumes all information fed to them. However Thompson continues that the recipients of a message, no matter how sensationalized it is, ’ make with it what they will, and the producer is not there to elaborate or to correct possible misunderstanding’ (1999:195). Thus it is the misinterpretation of the broadcast audience as passive consumers which is problematic for the use of sensationalism. (Thompson, John (June 22, 1999). “The Media and Modernity”)

This is what I see mostly from Blazersedge: not passively accepting or denying wholly the perspectives given by the media but using them as catalysts to generate discussion. The time and opportunity is here to more fully explore what the media bring to our attention. Each poster can contribute and often does another perspective to add to our understand just as Dave says -

The more slices you have the more complete the picture becomes.

Food for perspective indeed.

by lee3022 on Aug 28, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting points

As fans we do often desire to see the entire picture. Witness Quick’s Behind the locker room door series. Pretty much everyone on BE devoured that up, but it quickly became apparent that the players while possibly not outright hating it, were clearly uncomfortable with the series, essentially forcing Quick to shut it down within a couple weeks. As I recall Martell even gave him nickname “quicksand” at the time because of the nature of the series, so there’s that balancing of providing readers with content that they want which may be completely meaningless in direct connection to the basketball sense while also not crossing lines to alienate the players. While there are certain situations that players break a code of conduct to essentially invite the media to report on their extracurriculars (i.e. Z-Bo), for the most part, I feel like it’s unfair to the Blazers themselves to constantly be under the microscope.

As far as reporters creating a bias by presenting information that supports a thesis, I think this is not an especially huge problem, especially with multiple different media outlets available to an article’s subject to correct what he thinks may be misrepresentation. If Travis Outlaw thought Quick had completely misrepresented him in the article before last year he had to option of not only calling Quick or Freeman to request a correction, but also going to the Columbian or any number of internet outlets to set the record straight. Players aren’t as beholden to local columnists and beat writers as they once were. Maybe if Quick really wanted to have full disclosure he could publish his notes or something, but that’s just such an unrealistic and almost invasive request for a media member.

Finally, I think there remains a section of fans who simply don’t want to hear that things are going badly. It wasn’t just Canzano who caught heat here about the Roy contract story, Quick got his fair share of vitriol from posters here. Why? Because he had the gall to write that negotiations with Roy weren’t going as expected and Roy was frustrated? What part of that wasn’t true? Didn’t the entire board here agree that Brandon deserved a max contract, no questions asked? And yet he was attacked for writing about something that some fans deemed wasn’t a story (because KP of course would never screw up something like that) . Regardless of how you felt about the story, writing about ongoing contract talks is definitely newsworthy, and he was doing his job for the most part. (I refuse to even discuss Canzano since I didn’t read or listen to him at all during the time and many posters here are completely unable to have a rational discussion about him anyways).

The job of Quick and Freeman isn’t to be Blazer cheerleaders, it’s to report the Blazer news, good and bad, but I get the feeling that there’s a significant number of posters here who have a “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” mindset about them. I agree that having the BE community around to analyze the bits of Blazer news is an incredible resource, but reading some of the rationalizations here about Blazer events (It’s better that Greg had a year off from MF so he could “learn” the NBA. Really?) start to push the boundaries of reason.

by Royster on Aug 28, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see your perspective and mostly agree

Quick could have omitted the emotive words. He could also have provided historical perspective (range of time to get a max extension done after opportunity, avg time before extension etc.)

But my perceptions were colored by my previous judgments of Quick (mostly from prior years). Were they accurate – probably not. Certainly not complete. But the way he phrased the story triggered for me the previous judgments (see above where I admit forgetting my own advice). Also as a businessperson I maybe appreciated the business side of the issue and wanted the Blazers to be fair but not to give in to anything and everything. The Blazers did manage to avoid the semi-toxic opt-out apparently negotiated by LeBron, Wade and Bosh of the last two years. Brandon will be here for 8 before free agency instead of 7. That small victory will likely be applied to LMA as well. The excesses of the Whittsett era included the perception of throwing money away and that pattern needed to end. If Brandon could give in a little it reset the pattern for the following years.

As for complaining to rival media members, if that happens doesn’t it either have to be off the record or won’t it likely backfire and just blowup the story? A player is so easily labeled a whiner by both media and fans and it is difficult to shed that label.

I appreciate your perspective on Quick and yours and Dave’s take have caused me to rethink some of my own attitudes as well.

by lee3022 on Aug 28, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Media + Fear - Truth = News

 Many people look to tv and radio to give them their daily fix. We heard Y2K was the end of the world as we know it. We heard that the bird and swine flu would destroy society as we know it. We even heard that Anna Nicole Smith was married to that old bastard for love. When I was a young boy I was taught that evolution was a theory. Now many years later our children are taught that evolution is an undisputable fact. Without a single bone of early man or a single example of a species evolving, what we now call fact is simply what the masses want to believe. Who is protecting this country with the ‘TRUTH’, I ask you? The FDA, the CDC, our president? For every drug the FDA has told you is safe, thousands of people have either died or developed serious diseases because they trusted that they had the populations’ best interest at heart. You were told that it was ok to put mercury in your dental fillings, yet that same material that is put in your mouths is not fit for the trash can. It must be disposed of in a Hazardous waste bag. Go ahead and get that flu shot. Oh, they forgot to tell you that they put mercury in that too and a little something called thiomersal , that is a known cancer-causing toxin. How many people know that the good folks at Bayer brought you the holocaust? Their parent company, I.G. Farben built 40 concentration camps, among them Auschwitz. Their scientists ran the camp and experimented on the Jews with their vaccines and chemicals. Remember that the next time you have a headache. Truth and news are not synonamous. They tickle our ears with what we want to hear and send shivers up our spines to send us running for the next miracle product.

by Phi Slamma on Aug 29, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

$5 says Stalker IS John Canzano

I posted same in other fanpost, but no response yet….

Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"

by T$ 225 on Aug 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

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