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OF HOOPS & HOOPLA

I'm nearly sixty, so maybe it's an age thing.  I suspect most Bedge readers are south of forty so you can tell me.  Here’s the question: when you attend a Blazer game do you like all the hoopla surrounding it?

I'm talking about the messages on the giant screen and from the giant speakers that scream to you to scream “DEFENSE,” or, when a player on the other team is shooting free throws, to “MAKE NOISE,” or, when that LA team is in town, to “BEAT L.A.”  I’m talking about the parachutes that provoke grown ups to lunge over each other trying to snare trifling prizes.  I’m talking about floating cars that drop envelopes to grasping congregants as though receiving manna from heaven.  I’m talking about every chance to hold a conversation with the person next to you filled with commercial noise. 

Some of these promotions and hypes I don’t mind individually, but I find that collectively the interstices of the game are so packed with them that they detract from my ability to enjoy the game itself.  In my view, the Blazers play so entertainingly that they don’t need much enhancement.  The other stuff is doodads on the Van Gogh; it’s an applause sign at a Miles Davis’ concert. 

Also, the Blazer team and Blazer fans do not need to have their relationship managed.  We know when our team is playing well.  We know when they need to be lifted.  Don’t insult us with instructions that tell us how to behave.  We have eyes and a brain and heart that bleeds black and red.  Trust us.  And trust your team to evoke our timely support.  In short, buck the NBA-wide trend.  Allow your fans to make most of the noise.  Allow them to talk.  And allow some silence.  That is the most profound canvas on which the authentic sounds of the Blazer crowds create an indelible impression. 

Maybe I’m a curmudgeon.  To my surprise, I actually found myself agreeing with John Canzano earlier today.  He was complaining about NBA game glitz and contrasting it with the game experience of the NFL and MLB.  But I’m not a disgruntled fan.  I love this Blazer team and admire the management for the most part.  I could well be out of touch, but my suspicion is that there are others who love their basketball less rococo.

What do you think?

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How do you want your Blazer games at the Rose Garden?
The Game's the Thing! Cut out most of the clutter.
32 votes
Hooray for Hoopla! It enhances my game experience.
7 votes
Whatever!
13 votes

52 votes | Poll has closed

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I chose “Whatever”. Mainly because at a game I have a hard time being distracted from the game itself.
But I know what you mean.

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 26, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm south of 40 and I agree

but that being said, I can understand the reasoning behind it. They’re trying to fill the gaps. Basketball, unlike American Football or Baseball is a game very much removed from anticipation. Only the very well informed can pick out what plays are being run and might hypothesize what the coach’s might do in response.

It’s also always indoors, which means when its loud it sounds all the louder, and when its quiet, the difference is astounding. The noise is psychological warfare, and the one thing you can’t do when you’re battling someone’s morale is let them see through you. Let them hear a gasping silence and they’ll know they can win. Make the noise distracting just as your opponent hits their stride, and reign it in when your team is doing well.

On the personal side, does the hoopla improve my game experience? No, they remind me of commercials. I wouldn’t mind watching a game without any of that. Even remove the cheerleaders. It won’t happen though, because teams in the current NBA climate can’t take the chance that the noise isn’t helping. The opportunity cost simply isn’t high enough.

by Decaf on Aug 27, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I suspect you will find that many will agree you

I don’t mind it too much though ….and it is fun for my kids

(age 47)

"I'm tired" -Me

by 92wastheyear on Aug 27, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

You're an old coot

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Aug 27, 2009 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd have guessed about 25

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Aug 27, 2009 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'll have to guess whether it is youth and vigor that made me think that

or simply immaturity.

"if Nate has Roy or Miller in the game at all times, that stagnation will turn into conflagration" -- two4larue

by jscot on Aug 27, 2009 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

i am too focused on the game

and my and my beer(or whiskey depending on the night) to notice. i enjoy watching the blazers game so much that it blinds me to all the other crap that goes on. i do enjoy the beat la chants though, or when everybody yells “batuuuuuuuum” when he hits a three or blocks a shot, the rudy chants, they are all part of the fun. i dont like all that other crap though such as prizes and contests and what not or the big screen.. i do enjoy the blazer dancers though. terran(sp) use to party at my house all of the time.

by jpaulson on Aug 27, 2009 12:43 AM PDT reply actions  

The worse part about moving to the Rose Garden

was that the amount and volume level of the canned racket (euphemistically called music) increased dramatically. It became almost impossible to have a conversation with the person next to you without shouting during a time out.

I was also one of the fans in the MC that liked to carry on two-way exchanges with the referees (which the old timers like Hugh Hollins enjoyed doing), but in good humor. No vulgarity or anything inappropriate. Other fans in my area seemed to enjoy those exchanges and liked to join in. There were a number of veteran referees that remembered us and engaged in continuing gags over the years. That became impossible in the Rose Garden because of the canned racket (although the league directed the referees to became more aloof and less interactive with the fans at about that same time).

For the most part I don’t mind the extraneous activities, but the balance between a constant assault on the senses and some slightly quieter communication and processing time just seemed much better in the days at the MC. Perhaps they feel like they need to constantly keep the additional 7000+ fans in the upper decks entertained and involved since virtually every seat in the MC was closer to the action than those seats.

In general, the enthusiasm in the RG feels more artificially generated than it did in the MC, which would positively rock with little encouragement necessary. And when the RG crowd gets really involved it’s treated like some sort of challenge to see if the PA system can continue to be the dominant noise source, rather than backing off a little and letting the crowd take over. Just my $0.02 (adjusted for inflation).

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 27, 2009 2:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember a lot of vulgarity in some of those exchanges ;)

There were many things that were clearly audible to the refs that would get fans tossed these days. Vulgar or no, I have fond memories of that, and agree with you that the constant noise is annoying.

I also remember the upper seats in the MC being terrible.

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by hoopla-pdx on Aug 27, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I entirely agree with your comparison of the RC with the MC

I wonder if the growth of noise and peripherals coincided with the rise of the Jail zers? That team was harder to enjoy for a lot of us, even when they were winning, so I can imagine that management thought they’d better give fans something else to keep them in their seats.

And I’m with you in wanting to see and hear fans actually being able to interact with people on the court.

by Trutherlizer on Aug 29, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The last game I saw in the RG

was in 1999, so I’m not the best gauge of what’s happening these days.

For me, though, the less hoopla, the better. Although I’m slightly north of forty, so this may be the curmudgeon in me….

by Storyteller on Aug 27, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I said "Whatever"

I can tune it out for the most part. I do believe that Blazers fans don’t really ever pay attention to the big box telling us what to do because every game I have gone to, noise starts or its quiet regardless of what its trying to tell us to do because of the fan bases knowledge of the game.

One of the best games I ever went to was a Portland vs Utah game back in the Isaiah Rider and Sheed days. I went with some friends from Utah who were Jazz fans. The game went 2 or 3 overtimes. The crowd was so loud I was literally and inch from my friends ear screaming at the top of my lung’s and she still couldn’t hear me. When Sheed or another Blazer was at the line, the Rose Garden would start a low sounding “Sheeeeeeeeeeed” or be absolutely quiet. With a made freethrow, the crowd erupted in noise! We won the game, and later found out from interviews that the Utah players couldn’t hear the plays being called out because of the noise.

So I guess my point is that I don’t believe its necessary for us as fans at the game. We’re loud enough as is that that stuff starts going into the background anyway. Between quarters and halftime? I’m doing other stuff and talking and there is no game happening so I couldn’t care less what they got going on down there on the court or on the screen.

by Jaedin on Aug 27, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

When the team was playing well, the MC rocked - on its own

I have been to a decent number of games in the last few years and I feel like people are waiting for the triggers and cues to get them going. If they took those away, the spontaneous and more sustained energy would probably come back.

What really, really bugs me are the white inflatable noise makers. The noise if you are in the middle of them is really annoying, and they you can’t see anything with everyone holding them up high and banging away. I’ve given up on ever sitting behind the baskets (unless the tickets are free).

Don’t care for the Blazer Dancers either – I’m not there for titillation.

All that glitters isn't chrome

by hoopla-pdx on Aug 27, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Last year i went to my first blazer game in about six years.

I had to drive all the way down from seattle. When i arrived i admittedly was slightly put off by all of the perifery stuff. All the moneymaking ads, all the microphone led cheers, that crappy thing you call a mascot (seriously someone should adopt squatch, he deserves better.)

But then an amazing and magical thing happened. I was sitting there, cheering a blowout win for my new favorite team and suddenly it was no longer for the pride of the players, for the heat of the moment, for the thrill of the score…no it was for….chalupas.

Now i may have been the only NBA fan on the face of the planet to not know about the Taco Bell-NBA connection, but I assure you for an all too brief and wonderful few seconds i was cheering “Chalupa! Chalupa!” wildly with no notion whatsoever of why, where, or what any of it meant. And then someone scored. I dont remember who, i just remember looking at my friend and him exclaiming that we had, to our credit TWO free chalupas the next time we went to a taco bell.

This excited me so much that i insisted we hit the nearest Taco Bell on the way back to his house where i was crashing for the night. We must have walked an extra 7 or 8 blocks out of our way only to be refused by a late night drive through man telling us we had to bring a car. But i was not to be foiled so easily. With chalupa based adrenaline still pumping through my veins, we headed straight for my car and drove BACK to the taco bell. And oh dear lord was it worth it. Brandon Roy, my hero was feeding me. He and the Blazers were fulfilling the most basic need not just of me, but of ALL humans big and small. It was a beautiful moment.

by moflow on Aug 27, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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