Rubio signs deal in Spain, pounce now?
by darkhelmit54 on Aug 26, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
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We already have some log-jams and I think long-term Rubio might fit perfectly here for a nice three guard rotation of Rubio, Roy, and Fernandez (with some Batum thrown in at 2 perhaps). We're one of the only teams in the NBA that can give up value for someone two years out and still be in win-now mode. Imagine Roy, Aldridge, Batum, Fernandez, and Oden maturing over the next couple of years with Miller and then as Miller falls off Rubio (with seasoning) steps into the fold. I love it.
So (as I expected all along), Rubio just signed a six year deal in spain, with a 1 million dollar buyout after the second year (supposedly, you can't be too sure with Spanish media). I think this is where we pounce. Miller will be a perfect stop-gap until Rubio can come over (they have similar games too), and we have a log-jam at PG/SF anyways, this situation fits us perfectly and how many other teams in the NBA would give up much value for the rights to Rubio two years out?
It's pretty much us and the knicks right? And what do they have to trade?
I think this would fit perfectly to have a goal for a long-term core of:
Rubio
Roy/Fernandez
Batum/Webster
Aldridge
Oden
as seven guys we can build around while stocking another five or so vets or projects behind them yearly.
I think we should try to trade a combo of Outlaw/Bayless/picks or perhaps Blake in some sort of effort to grab Rubio's rights!
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I say do it if he can be had for cheap.
So far Kahn seems like a shoot from the hip kind of GM. I don’t think he hangs on to his rights now. Rubio probably would’ve come over had he been drafted by a team that wasn’t doomed to being a bottom feeder for years, and on a team where he has to compete with another talented young PG. Kahn probably knows this. I don’t think he has the patience to deal with this now.
he specifically listed a number of teams he wanted to go to
he didn’t go to them. He’s now in europe.
Portland was on his list.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
i dont see them giving up rubio with out 2 first round picks
but i dont think that would be too much to give up. because portland will have a very late 1st round pick the next few years. but another team will give a better offer
fire nate before its too late
do you think
that some team will give a better offer than Outlaw/Bayless and a first round pick?
who would put together a much better package than that for rights?
by darkhelmit54 on Aug 26, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
They're going to need a legit shooting guard.
neither Outlaw or Bayless can provide that. Bayless maybe… but I doubt they want yet another project combo guard.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
i wouldn't give up bayless
Just outlaw should be enough if Rubio refuses to come over.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Knicks?
I would think that the Knicks might be willing to package Robinson and Lee for the rights to Rubio and a couple of MN’s fat expiring contracts (Blount and Cardinal, for instance). The Knicks would love to have Rubio with Mike D. and are looking to keep their salary down through next summer. Stashing Rubio in Europe for a few years would be perfect for them.
Robinson and Lee have significantly higher value than Bayless and Outlaw. Robinson could play more 2 than Rubio or Flynn, and Lee would give them a very solid front-court rotation (no D though). Plus, Kahn strikes me as the type who likes over-hyped players like Robinson and Lee.
Don't they already have too many PFs?
Robinson would have to play the 2, which would probably result in the opposite of what they want, no defense (Bayless would make more sense at the 2 for them).
Outlaw would make more since than Lee since he isn’t a PF. And really, not being a PF is a big deal for them right now.
I’m not arguing over whether Outlaw+Bayless or Lee+Robinson is a better value in general. But to the Timberwolves, Outlaw & Bayless seem like a way way better fit.
Of course, I doubt fitting is the only thing Kahn is thinking about right now. He may prefer Lee+Robinson for their current trade value.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Kahn looks like an idiot any way you slice it
He drafted a guy he didn’t have a place for, who had other options.
Good for Rubio, guess he showed Kahn he didn’t need the NBA right away.
But I doubt Rubio’s rights are moved until Kahn is fired next year.
I don't understand
…all the Kahn bashing. I thought it was a shrewd move to grab the rights to Rubio with the 5th pick in what everyone agrees was a weak draft.
Minnesota has good young players at almost every position now. They can wait until they get the right offer for Rubio’s rights, and in the meantime he’ll only get better and more valuable. Or, if Flynn doens’t knock their socks off, then can bring him over themselves.
They have a lot of options going forward. I think the drama of the contract issue obscures the fact that they are, in fact, in no hurry to cash in this chip.
by matthewcc on Aug 26, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yup.
It hurts them not at all that he is overseas for two years, if you are talking about winning basketball. It will take them that amount of time in juggling to refit the team as a winner.
They have a good player in two years, they don’t have to pay until then. It also gives them a giant trading chip, I mean, here we are talking about getting him, while not having to pay him anything if they don’t trade.
Minny has an awesome situation with Rubio right now. Might it be better if he came over now? Sure. But the current situation sure ain’t bad for the picks they had.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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what isn't shrewd
is verifying, before drafting, that the player will play for you.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
not verifying
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
totally disagree
sign or not there was no way they should have allowed him to drop to 7. the value of his draft rights was far greater than any player they could have taken.
people who think the t’wolves were foolish don’t understand the value of patience. they will get many offers for rubio and they don’t have to be in a hurry to accept any of them. he costs them nothing and they hold his rights.
also the idea that they would give him up for bayless / outlaw and a late first round pick is ridiculous.
KP would probably have to accept a bad contract
obviously you can’t deal our veterans for Rubio’s rights, I don’t think the Wolves are under the cap (at least not very far below it…)
So to make the deal fly KP would have to accept a bad contract “in return” and I don’t remember any players with bad contracts that would fit Portland’s needs being on their roster (Al Jefferson, anyone? didn’t think so!)
I know that no one wants to hear this, the one player that Kahn might accept for Rubio is…Rudy. He needs a SG and Rudy is making peanuts, the deal would be “fair” for both sides and relatively easy to make.
(I wouldn’t mind getting Ellington back in the deal, BTW)
So Rudy and a draft choice for Ellington and Rubio’s rights…deal or no deal?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
In two years... deal
Today, no deal.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
I agree
let Kahn sit on Rubio’s rights for awhile (and take the “heat” from the fans and local media) let Ricky develope overseas, let Rudy grow less satisfied with his reserve role in PDX then pull the trigger around June, 2011 (by then Miller could be on the way out, etc)
makes a whole lot of sense
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Excuse me ...
… but exactly what “heat” are you talking about?
Why is it ok for Portland to let Rubio develop in Europe, but not Minnesota? The Wolves have Flynn at PG, so why is it critical to have an 18 year old rookie from Spain come over immediately?
This deal looks like good news for both Rubio and Minnesota. Rubio gets a better contract than the peanuts he’s earning under his current deal and for just a two year commitment he gets an affordable buyout. Minnesota still controls his rights, and in exchange for a two year wait sees the biggest obstacle to bringing Rubio over removed. In two years Rubio should be just as valuable and by staying overseas, it allows Minnesota to see how good of a PG Flynn will be. I don’t see any reason for Kahn to give up Rubio for anything less than market value. Travis Outlaw and Jerryd Bayless are unlikely to be that.
hakkaa päälle !
Agreed.
Kahn has lot’s of options. Rubio still needs to develop and now Kahn can watch him for two years and decide whether to deal him or keep him. He will probably get some crazy offer for him during the next two years, but I’m not convinced Rubio isn’t all sizzle and no steak. At least not yet.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I know a little bit about Minnesota fans and media
being a Viking’s fan for 35+ years
The longer the Rubio “thingy” lingers, the more Kahn will be scrutinized for not getting value for his 1st round draft choice. He’ll try to sell the fans on “patience” but they’ll want to see results out on the court. If the team is struggling, he could get some “free advice” from one of the local writers about using Rubio’s rights to improve the team in the short term, etc
It will be a “test” for Kahn’s resolve, and the Ricky speculation won’t “go away” with time
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I've lived in Minnesota for awhile ...
… and still have relatives and friends there. And your description does not fit that of most Minnesotan’s that I know. They are generally very patient fans.
It sounds more like sports writers you are describing. That they might be calling for Kahn’s head would be no surprise, as some of them often feel like it is their job to stir the pot. I would bet that the vast majority of GM’s do not lose sleep over what sports writers write.
hakkaa päälle !
Blazers won’t have enough to trade for him if not now.
Bayless will not get the playing time to develop and Outlaw might not be on our roster after training camp this fall. What will we have to trade for Rubio in two years? Is now or never!
Only problem is, we might need to have Rudy in order to convince Ricky to come over.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
did you read the article
where Rubio praised Portland as the franchise that signed Petrovic and Sabonis?
maybe Ricky and Claver could be a “package deal” in 2011? The “new” Spanish Air-mada!
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Cardinal would work...
I know he’s expiring but it’s still money they wouldn’t need to pay him.
Outlaw/Bayless/pick for Rubio/Cardinal works straight up (not that they’d do it)
I personally would not throw in Rudy though, he’s such a smart player that makes his teammates better (spacing the floor, drawing the defense, or making nice passes), there just aren’t enough of those guys in the NBA.
by darkhelmit54 on Aug 26, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Rick is smart, too, and a better playmaker/defender
and (most importantly) best defends a different position than Roy
Rudy has more experience (older) and is a much better shooter/finisher
what will Portland need the most, in 2011?
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I doubt that Canis Hoopus goes for it
but I think you should float it over there anyway. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
I don't agree
I think Rubio could be had for less than Rudy + a pick.
Outlaw would be a great pickup for them, someone who can make shots in the 4th from the outside is something they are missing. Outlaw has proven he can do that, even in pressure situations. Add in a couple of 1st round picks from the next two drafts, and you are over paying for Rubio, who could be one of the biggest busts in history, or a great player, the point is we just don’t know what he will be at this point.
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But since he could be "anything"
You’re likely gonna have to overpay for that potential… until we can see otherwise.
Know what I mean?
Rubio was always a risky pick even if he came over right away, and I still say it was a great pick by the Wolves because he COULD be great. Until that is proven otherwise or a gangbusters deal comes along, they HAVE to keep him. Again, even if he came over today, he wasn’t drafted for today. He was drafted for the player he’ll become when he matures. Now they don’t even gotta pay him his rookie money while he’s developing on a good team overseas!
I don’t think this is a bad thing for Minny at all… provided one thinks he can be great.
His buyout was always going to be a problem, even if he went #1. There was no way he’d have that sort of cash. This deals with the unfair buyout, and gives him a manageable one in two years. Two years of further development and then coming to play 4 years for his rookie deal is very attractive for a team DEEP in rebuilding land.
Mortimer
Reportedly the Grizzlies were discussing Rudy Gay and a pick
The price demanded by the Wolves will be quite high, with the tendency to not trade him at all.
There's no way that the Minnesota T'wolves would trade Ricky Rubio for less even that package.
David Kahn might have a quick trigger finger, but he’s not a complete dunce. If Kahn agreed to a deal like that, he’d be run out of Minnesota and would be back in the Pacific Northwest begging for another sportswriting gig.
Also, the T’wolves already have its own version of Travis Outlaw in Ryan Gomes. For the Portland Trail Blazers to acquire the draft rights to Ricky Rubio, it’d take Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, and probably two unprotected future first-round draft picks.
Thankfully, though, Trail Blazers wouldn’t part ways with that many assets for Rubio. Besides, Rubio’s agent hopefully understands that his client would be screwed over playing for a small-market team in the hinterlands — as that’d put a damper on his endorsement deals and nationwide marketability — especially since that very team also employs a head coach who’d slaughter his potential.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
I wouldn't give Rudy or Batum for Rubio straight up.
What’s Rubio done to prove he will be anything in the NBA? When he played against NBA players in the Olympics he couldn’t put the ball in the ocean. I’ve seen no evidence he can shoot a lick against NBA defense. Razzle-dazzle doesn’t impress me. Right now he is overhyped.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you.
This, by the way, is why Portland and Minnesota are poor trading partners here.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
The only reason he is overhyped
Is because his razzle dazzle was in Europe versus the NCAA. You haven’t seen him, so he’s all hype.
I only know what I saw in his Olympic games
and then a few other Spain games on the internet. So far I’m not that impressed, other than he’s young and talented. But that’s not a guarantee he will improve to NBA star level, let alone the absurdly premature super-star level projections that are thrown around. The comparisons I’ve heard to Pistol Pete are absolutely ludicrous.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, being young and talented is not a guarantee for anything. I would suspect that more than half of the lottery picks each year fail. I think what you have to look at is how is that talent level is, and make a determination as far as the chances that player realizes his potential.
Let’s face it, none of the draft picks have proved anything yet. But the same argument can be flipped around to your original assertion, why has Rudy or Batum proved in the NBA? Batum is an defensive role player who has unrealized potential to become more complete. Any way you slice it, Rudy was a league average Shooting Guard last season, which is more than we can say for Derrick Rose. I like these guys, but neither have any more “guarantee” to have solid careers in the NBA than Ricky Rubio.
The difference is that we saw Rudy and Nic play 78 and 79 games respectively in the NBA.
That’s no guarantee, but it gives us much more information to predict their probability of success.
We know Rudy set an all-time NBA rookie record for 3-point shots made while shooting a respectable 40%. I expect him to shoot even better this year because he tailed off in the latter half of the season when he was obviously fatigued from his first long NBA season. We saw examples of what else he can do, and this year we should see if he can play decent defense (which improved over the season) and create for others on offense (and hopefully for himself) more consistently.
We saw Nic play man-to-man defense against some the NBA’s premier players including guys like Kobe and LBJ, and even CP3 for spells. I liked what I saw. I’d say it indicated a high probability he will become a premier defender in the NBA. I also liked his offense. His 45% shooting, and 37% from 3-pt range, are good numbers for a 20 year old rookie to build on. And he wasn’t afraid to take the ball to the hole, unlike some other SF’s that have been hanging around here for quite a while. His overall poise, while starting as a 20-year rookie on a good team, is very encouraging. Based on that, I expect a significant step forward for him this year.
So can I say with certainty that Rudy and Nic will be stars in the NBA? No, but we have a lot of useful data from them playing important NBA rotation minutes for a year on a good team. Based on that, I’d rather bet my money on their probability for success and future value, than bet on Rubio’s success and future value at this point in his career. Others may differ, it’s just my opinion.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I would give Rudy for Rubio straight up
but Los Lobos would not.
Rubio will be a starter wherever he lands. Rudy is not a starter yet and it’s not clear to me that Batum starts next year. – Elgin
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RT: Rubio’s agent hopefully understands that his client would be screwed over playing for a small-market team in the hinterlands
I could say the same thing about Rudy’s agent, if reports are true and Fernandez could’ve signed for 4 years, 20 mil with CSKA and chose to take 4 years, 8 mil to play in Portland, how will he ever recoup that 12 mil playing in the Pacific NW? (Is Paul Allen paying him under the table?)
I agree that MN and PDX don’t have a lot of common ground re: trade assets, but if KP really wants Rubio, he could get it done. And I don’t hink it would cost him Rudy and Batum. Maybe a 3 way deal where Rudy goes to MN and Outlaw goes somewhere else and draft choices and cash change hands? It could get done, but the X factor is: “how badly does KP want Ricky?”
Up until the Blazers signed Miller, there was a feeling that Portland only liked to surround Roy with 3-point shooters, but if Rubio and Andre have anything in common it’s that they aren’t adept at hitting outside shots. (Maybe Ricky will improve in that area, in a year or two?)
The other factor is Nate. He had enough fancy ball-handling with Sergio and would probably rather have his PG keep the TOs down and make the “safe” pass for an assist. Does McMillian want any part of Ricky, even considering that Rubio is considered an above-average perimeter defender?
Until we get answers to these questions, the odds of RR ever coming to Portland are remote. But the simple fact that Ricky plays PG and Portland will need another one in 2-3 years, while Rudy plays SG and Roy will always prevent him from “progressing” towards stardom in PDX makes the “Rudy for Ricky” proposal something that can’t be summarily dismissed as a possibility. At least not until Kahn deals Rubio’s rights to another NBA team
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Do you think it matters if Rudy or Rubio play in a small market as long as the team is successful?
Serious question, because I don’t know.
I suspect the endorsement money for either of them is in Europe, not in the US unless they become NBA ultra-super-stars. There isn’t as much endorsement money available in the US as previously, and it seems like a few current big names (and Charles Barkley) get all the deals. So as long as the team is on TV a lot, and goes deep in the playoffs, I wonder if the big endorsement money for a Rudy or Rubio would be much different if the team is in a small US market vs large US market?
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 26, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudy Fernandez isn't as marketable as Ricky Rubio from an American standpoint, so ...
for the former it didn’t matter where he played in that regard. For Rubio, however, playing in New York could make him a trademark name on this side of the Atlantic Ocean. The same can’t be said for Rubio if he’s stuck in Minnesota or Portand, which are places where a guy must be a unique superstar — such as Kevin Garnett — to get nationwide recognition.
Even a budding superstar such as Brandon Roy has a difficult time receiving credit across the country, which is in due part to him playing in the Pacific Northwest. That might change in the future, but I bet that’ll only happen if Roy carries the Trail Blazers to a championship.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
That makes sense, but Rubio's window of US fame (his 15 minutes)
may also be gone if he remains in Europe for two more years?
I think just being on the West Coast is a problem. When regular season Blazer games are on national TV (home or elsewhere on the west coast) they are on late in the East so many people never see them. I’ll bet a lot of NBA fans never saw Roy’s last second shot against Houston live last year.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 27, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
RT: you are over paying for Rubio
This depends on Kahn, of course. What he believes Ricky is (or will be) “worth” and what other offers he may have rec’d for Rubio’s rights
and it depends on how KP values RR vs. Travis and those potential draft choices
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Knicks?
I would think that the Knicks might be willing to package Robinson and Lee for the rights to Rubio and a couple of MN’s fat expiring contracts (Blount and Cardinal, for instance). The Knicks would love to have Rubio with Mike D. and are looking to keep their salary down through next summer. Stashing Rubio in Europe for a few years would be perfect for them.
Robinson and Lee have significantly higher value than Bayless and Outlaw. Robinson could play more 2 than Rubio or Flynn, and Lee would give them a very solid front-court rotation (no D though). Plus, Kahn strikes me as the type who likes over-hyped players like Robinson and Lee.
There's only one team out there that's a good fit for Ricky Rubio, with that being the New York Knicks.
“With Donnie Walsh and David Kahn being friends, it seems plausible the Knicks and the Minnesota T’wolves could strike such a deal as the one I propose here.
FROM MINNESOTA & TO NEW YORK (Non-Simultaneous Trade: Part 1)
PG Chucky Atkins (3,480,000)
Outgoing Salaries: $3,480,000 X 125% + 100,000 = $4,450,000
Incoming Salaries: $1,255,440
FROM NEW YORK & TO MINNESOTA (Non-Simultaneous Trade: Part 1)
SF Wilson Chandler ($1,255,440)
PF Chris Hunter ($736,420) {Minimum-Level Player Exception}
SG Joe Crawford ($736,420) {Minimum-Level Player Exception}
Outgoing Salaries: $2,728,820 X 125% + 100,000 = $3,510,350
Incoming Salaries: $3,480,000
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q7fp9h
FROM MINNESOTA & TO NEW YORK (Non-Simultaneous Trade: Part 2)
PG Ricky Rubio (Draft Rights)
FROM NEW YORK & TO MINNESOTA (Non-Simultaneous Trade: Part 2)
2012 First-Round Draft Pick
2014 First-Round Draft Pick
Cash Considerations ($3,000,000)
For the T’wolves, Kahn gets some value in return for Rubio via a serviceable starter at small forward, Wilson Chandler, and a couple of unprotected future first-round draft picks in 2012 and 2014. Chris Hunter and Joe Crawford have non-guaranteed contracts, so they’d be waived after the trade. Glen Taylor would happily take that $3,000,000 in cash considerations, too.
For the Knicks, Walsh finally gets a franchise cornerstone at point guard in Ricky Rubio; he’d be a perfect fit in Mike D’Antoni’s up-tempo, run-and-gun offensive system. Chucky Atkins is partially guaranteed $760,000 in salary for this upcoming season, so he’d be waived after the trade."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/8/17/992671/full-court-press#19817319
Oh, and if I’m Rubio’s agent, I would never want my client playing for a small-market ballclub like the Portland Trail Blazers—especially since the organization employs a rigid head coach that’d ruin him.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
NYC
Can’t trade a future first round pick until after next year’s draft.
Furthermore, Wilson Chandler + 2 Future Unknown 1st round picks for a team with maximum cap space in NYC? Their is a chance those 2 picks could be as bad as two future Portland 1st round picks.
Why would MN trade Rubio for Chandler + 22nd pick in 2012 + 26th pick in 2014?
Furthermore, all these trade scenarios are ludicrous, rule 1 of economics is to buy low and sell high, why would the T-Wolves who don’t have the players to win now make a trade when their asset (Rubio) is at it’s lowest value. Ridiculous.
I know that the earliest future first-round draft pick that the New York Knicks can trade is in 2012.
Anyway, David Kahn has backed himself into a corner. Yet, if he does part ways with the draft rights of Ricky Rubio for Wilson Chandler and a couple of future first-round draft picks, he could argue that the return is good value for the original assets, Mike Miller and Randy Foye, who had no long-term future in Minnesota.
If that’s not enough of a return, however, then Kahn could also push for a 2016 unprotected first-round draft pick. Frankly, the people of Minnesota should be glad if Kahn could turn an unproven 18-year-old guy into a slew of future first-round draft picks and a decent starting small forward in Wilson Chandler.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
I disagree, I don’t think he backed himself in a corner. He’s been preparing the fan base since draft night where he told the press and fans that the Wolves are in a unique situation where they can afford to wait a couple years. Look at the roster, their is no reason to cash in an asset like Rubio and trade him for crap. Because that’s what the trade you propose is, crap.
All these trades are crap, Rudy? Outlaw? Bayless? The NBA is a stars league. The T-Wolves need a Brandon Roye (yes I understand the irony) more than they need complimentary pieces. The wolves would be foolish to unload Rubio for a player with less potential to become a star player. If I was the Wolves GM even a package of Fernandez, Bayless, and Outlaw would be tough to trade for. Outlaw would be a one year rental, Bayless is a tweener like Randy Foye, and Fernandez is solid, but this team needs a star not a solid player.
Sorry for the rant, but Portland and NY are poor trading partners.
I agree that Portland is a terrible trading partner, but I disagree with you about New York.
Additionally, I expect that Donnie Walsh and David Kahn’s friendship will eventually come into play here.
Anyway, you’re arguing with the wrong guy if you think I’ve got anything nice to say about Travis Outlaw or Jerryd Bayless. To me, Outlaw is the epitome of a stat stuffer who’ll serve his selfish needs best playing for garbage teams — which is what Al Harrington has done throughout his career — while Jerryd Bayless is a pile of suck.
At any rate, you should get back to me when Rubio ends up in the Big Apple. I, by the way, am utterly shocked that his agent hasn’t yet mandated that the Minnesota T’wolves trade him to a large-market franchise, with the ultimatum that he’ll never come over to America unless those demands are met.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
Personally,
I think the dude is all hype.
"It all depends on where his growth will come and we think his growth will come within us" -- Kevin Pritchard on Jerryd Bayless
yeppers
He’s on my list of PGs I hate… right by Bayless….
by In Walks Rudy on Aug 26, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You heard it hear first
2 years from now the Finn has turned into a defensive ace and a decent 3 point shot,wearing red and black and JB is a gunner on a crappy team.
by southern oregon on Aug 26, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions
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