I would like to know what kind of athlete Canzano is?
by Thomas Sanderson on Aug 24, 2009 12:45 PM PDT
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It's annoying to see dorks spend most of their time criticizing when they have never really played the game. That's why you rarely see former players (yes, partly due to the fact their in that fraternity) act like these frat boys. Kenny Smith and Barkley will criticize players on occasion but it's not knee-jerk reactions and without basis. I would like to play Canzano at halftime of a Blazers game in front of everyone. Maybe grab four level-minded people from BE that seem to exchange intelligent thoughts, observations and ideas and play the biggest idiots in the Portland media 5-on-5. Finally, thanks for the feedback on this the past few weeks. I like newspapers more than the internet but called the Oregonian and cancelled my subscription. I'm not full of hate but angry at irresponsible journalists, especially with the Roy contracts. That was the last straw and I will completely ignore the sports talk radio types and not let it interfere with the team I love. Canzano's actions are high treason and he should be flogged, tarred & feather and run out of town!
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Canzano looks like a pretty athletic guy
I think he played baseball in college and had some offers for football as well.
by ppilot on Aug 24, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to think this post is more about mindset
in which case he is the kind that talks about himself
by lurtsman on Aug 25, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canzono
From listening via radio, his dad played minor league baseball, he played baseball in college and now he regularly plays pick up games of basketball and coaches his daughters soccer team.
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by jlarose78 on Aug 24, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a terrible person
Doesn’t matter a bit to me whether he ever played a lick of sports. The guy has no morals whatsoever. He’ll print whatever distortions and defamation he sees fit. Any discussion of him should start and end there, in my opinion.
by goblazer1 on Aug 24, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
his work actions do not
make him a terrible person. I know him personally and he is a pretty good guy, regardless of his work based decisions.
by winnerwinner on Aug 24, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Work actions do make up a large part of who people are
Given that most adults will spend around 40 hours per week doing that “work action”. I’m not saying he is a terrible person, only that a piece of the whole in the assessment should be what choices he makes at work.
To show validity: If Sam (made up name) sends spam e-mail for 8 hours per day totaling 500,000 messages per week to people who never chose to volunteer to receive these advertisements, I would feel Sam was a bad person. He would have a highly negative impact on society, and unless he spent the other 8 waking hours of his day taking care of orphans, I would feel that the community would be better off if Sam was banned from ever touching the internet again. Clearly, what Canzano does is very different. This story is given only as a reference board to verify that we are both at least in agreement that personal responsibility for our actions must extend to the choices we make as workers because those choices impact other people’s lives.
If we can agree that personal responsibility remains constant, even when we are paid for our actions, then we should be able to agree that his actions at work make up part of the picture. Do you feel he is a good guy despite work decisions you disagree with because his other choices more than offset those decisions, as implied by the word regardless in your post, or do you feel his work decisions are justifiable through some combination of “poor journalism is okay as long as people buy it”, or an argument that having a job justifies doing things that otherwise would be considered poor taste? Is it an option I have not listed, and if so, please explain it to me.
by lurtsman on Aug 25, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
Totally apart from Canzano (who may or may not have done the right thing at work or elsewhere) is this example:
“Stalin’s work actions do not make him a terrible person. I know him personally and he is a pretty good guy, regardless of his work based decisions.”
I think we can all intuitively see that we are not free from ethics or morals simply because the issue is work related.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 25, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about going there
but figured any reference to notoriously evil men would immediately be labeled a slippery slope and then I would face an endless wall of text in a straw man argument.
Glad to see the “Work does not excuse actions” vibe was coming through clearly.
by lurtsman on Aug 25, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notoriously evil men are good for something though. We can agree that they were evil, right?
Rather than having an argument on whether Sam is doing wrong by mass emailing people, we get straight to the heart.
Neither slippery slope or straw man objections really apply to this. If Joe Schmo can use an argument to defend themselves, Hitler can use it too. It is an easy test to find out if the idea is ridiculous.
Straw man only applies if the example no longer truly reflects the original situation. As for slippery slope, isn’t that what we are trying to stop here?
Well anyway, those are just my thoughts…
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 25, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got to give the people what they will pay for
The media business is a tough one to navigate from a moral perspective. Is giving the people what they want (will pay for) wrong if it isn’t what is best for them? Is it wrong to cover speculation about real people, when it might be wrong and cause offense? What about when those people have public-facing jobs and try to use the media, at other times, for their own enrichment?
I share with you the distaste for those pieces playing on our insecurity about re-signing BRoy, but I’m sure they were read far more than other pieces in the paper. They also didn’t cross any lines into covering BRoy’s personal life; they were about a business transaction in the entertainment industry.
So, they were ugly and playing on our worst fears, but that is what the Media has always had to do to survive, and it is more a reflection of us than of the writers.
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by hoopla-pdx on Aug 25, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible person is pretty strong. Maybe a D-bag, an occasional idiot, and over-zealous journalist, but not a terrible person.
by dario argento on Aug 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is where I am.
And if you think about it, Canzano probably isn’t the worst sports columnist out there.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 25, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally prefer the analysis of reporters who have studied journalism to that of former players
Give me Peter Gammons or Tim Kurkjian over John Kruk or Eduardo Perez any day. Likewise for John Clayton over most NFL reporters.
Canzano, of course, is not a reporter but rather a columnist, and I don’t think he’s very good at his job. His stuff is not insightful and is usually boring. However, there’s nothing wrong with him criticizing the team when he feels its warranted, even if he’’s often wrong. I’m sure the team feels the same way, given that Canzano does his radio show on the network that’s affiliated with the team.
Canzano regularly deserves to be called out but this post goes way overboard.
by jksnake99 on Aug 24, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I firmly agree with this.
Just because someone is not athletic or never played the game doesn’t mean they don’t have the intelligence to put together an analytical and insightful article, whether it be critical or optimistic.
Some of the worst ESPN commentators are former athletes, outside of Orel Hershiser, I can’t think of many on that channel that provide insightful commentary.
Barkeley has his moments, but overall he’s brought on for the laughs, not much more. I find him to be wrong as often as he is right.
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by Arby on Aug 24, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Barkley should shut up
especially when talking about politics.
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by dyshooter182 on Aug 24, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreement to the extreme.
It isn’t that people who have played sports can’t be good sportswriters, it is just that having played sports doesn’t appear to make you a better writer/analyst.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 24, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We get it, you don't like Canzano
Is it really necessary to have this in addition to a 5 part series of fan posts about the media and the Blazers to make that point?
What does his ability to play basketball have to do with anything? I’d bet Mike Barrett, Wheels, JQ, Ben, and Dave aren’t exactly all stars on the court, but I still read their stuff and respect their basketball opinions.
I don’t read or listen to Canzano because he’s a columnist whose analysis I usually don’t agree with or respect. Who cares whether he plays basketball? If you restrict sports analysts to only people who have played the game, I guarantee the quality will plummet.
And if you think Barkley has never criticized a guy off hand, you haven’t been paying attention over the last year and a half or so.
by Royster on Aug 24, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
get me on the court and it’s trouble. last week messed around and got a triple double.
by Ben. on Aug 24, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today was a good day
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by TheOdenator on Aug 24, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad, Ben
Didn’t mean to offend. I’ve got my money on you in the one on one game vs. Canzano to 21, for what it’s worth, though.
by Royster on Aug 24, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't get the Ice Cube reference :(
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by Arby on Aug 24, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be Careful
Canzano may challenge you to a sports/human interest story writing contest.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
by Name's Ash on Aug 24, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Everybody on this message board should post their 40 times, and # of reps with 185 lbs on the bench before I will read another post.
Get to it.
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by mittsabishy on Aug 24, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
185 lbs all at once!!???
or would it still count if I did that in, like, 5 or 10 lb increments.
‘Cause then we’d be talkin at least 1 reps.
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by lukeyhere on Aug 24, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I go with when I was in shape instead of now?
Honestly, I think it’s funny the NBA uses 185 as the entrance point. I could do about 15 reps on that, and I was worlds away from being in NBA shape. I guess that just goes to show that benching 185 does not equate to being capable of playing an NBA game.
by lurtsman on Aug 25, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing he's an ex-athlete.
He showed up to a rec softball game in his own baseball pants, stir-ups and cleats. Sounds ultra-competitive…like most sports dudes. Or he’s a huge dork. My money is on both.
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by GonzoFan on Aug 24, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Push...
awaaaaay from the radio, my man. I’m worried about your blood pressure!
I am starting to think that you are being paid by 95.5 to create buzz on here. I would like blazersedge to be a Canzano free zone. Any radio show that talks as much about calzone as football is not worth another mention, IMHO.
by The Penguin on Aug 24, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what physical ability has to do with analysis
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Aug 24, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tom's comments on Canzano mirror
thoughts I have had about Canzano. One tries to discover why Canzano writes as he does; what is his motivation? what is he trying to accomplish? where is he coming from?
The columnist writing for The Oregonian prior to Canzano (whose name I forget) was an excellent writer with a great sense of the relevant and what was newsworthy. He was a positve guy. Canzano is mostly negative unless (or even when) he is lecturing us or setting moral standards. Canzano is very different, very confrontational, going out of his way to repeatedly bring up negative history.
I fully understand Tom’s frustration with Canzano and also wonder where this guy gets his motivations and ideas. and why he frames his writings as he does.
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by OrygunRod on Aug 24, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You should know that John Canzano has feelings too
You should know that once in high school someone hurt his feelings. And you should know that once in college he got dumped by a girlfriend. And you should know…blah blah
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by leeroyjenkins on Aug 25, 2009 6:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Canzano seems like a pretty athletic person
I’m not sure if he had any professional sports experience, but anyone who has a sports journalism job is probably a sports junkie and was an athlete at one point in their life.
Like Canzano or hate him…you can’t deny that his human interest pieces are solid.
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by Philthyanimal on Aug 25, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't think of anything less interesting than watching the game you propose
That is, a quintet of out-of-shape John Canzano haters playing basketball with out-of-shape Canzano & a quartet of his out-of-shape media minions. Now, Canzano going one-on-one vs Greg Oden would be kind of amusing. But how many thundrous, backboard-shaking dunks onto JC’s head would it take before we’d start to yawn? Three or four?
Besides, to my knowledge, Canzano has never claimed to be an accomplished hoopster. I’ve only heard him brag absurdly about his ability to bench press spectacular amounts of weight. Such a manly little sports columnist!
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by hurryup09 on Aug 25, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's recovered from his horrible knee injury
And he gets around the bases alright these days, albeit with a little limp. He can hit for power and average in slow-pitch softball. He’s good with a grill. He’s generous and driven. He’s always coming up with opportunities to help friends and even minor acquaintances. And he knows he has a lot to be thankful for.
by FlyingOutlaw on Aug 26, 2009 3:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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