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Bill Simmon's wrote an article recently about his experience watching the US vs. Mexico match at Azteca stadium. It evolved a bit into his take on the state of US soccer as a whole, making the common observation that the best US athletes don't usually pursue soccer. This prompted a barroom discussion between myself and a friend last night about which active American athletes would have made sensational soccer players had they gone in that direction.


To those that feel inclined to debate whether soccer sucks or not, now would be a good time for you to return to the main page.


Some of my considerations:

Visible athletic ability - This is obvious, and the source of the debate.

Kinetic skills - The best example I can think of would be decathletes. Their speed, endurance and strength would never limit their ceiling for soccer, but they don't have much chance to demonstrate their ability to pass a ball accurately (or the ability to see the open man in the first place). Similarly, while I think NFL cornerbacks are some of the greatest athletes alive, they don't have to handle a ball much, and I feel that detracts from an argument that they'd make great soccer players.

..... On another level, some players are very skilled, but their exhibited skill sets are so narrow, it seems difficult to envision them doing more than just that one thing. NFL kickers, or baseball pitchers (think Mariano Rivera and his wicked cutter) come to mind. In soccer, while there is a place for, for example, set play specialists, you need to be able to do multiple things well. While a baseball player can make an incredible career out of doing one thing really well, they pretty much have to be both an All-Star hitter and Gold Glove fielder to make me consider them here.

Size - While Walter Jones (sad news, by the way) and Cecil Fielder are evidently very talented, I can't seriously picture them running up and down the field for 90 minutes. For this reason, lineman are pretty much universally excluded from consideration in my mind, as are the fatties in baseball. Some of this is conditioning, I know, so perhaps a linebacker or someone like that could play soccer - I'm not sure.

Height - NBA players look the most like footballers to me - they do lots of sprinting, are incredibly skilled, should be able to see plays develop, etc. However, some guys just seem too tall. Peter Crouch appears to sufficiently define this ceiling, so to be approaching 6'6" or taller, you'd have to really be something special.

By position, my dream team looks like:

Striker - Allen Iverson (If his skills were in any way transferable, he would have been all world spectacular - maybe one of the best strikers of all time)
Striker - Michael Vick (minus the psycho/headcase aspect)
Center Mid -  Jason Kidd
Center Mid - Chris Paul (him and J- Kidd are essentially playing the PG position of a soccer team here)
Outside Mid - Ken Griffey, Jr. (left handed, which would help playing on that side)
Outside Mid - Dwyane Wade (would win every corner kick or cross in the history of the universe)
Center back - Champ Bailey (was an all-American quality football player in multiple positions in college - offense, defense, and special teams)
Center back - Kobe Bryant (though I hate to admit it)
Outside back - Adrian Peterson (After soccer conditioning, who knows what he'd look like, but as of now would make Wayne Rooney look like a creampuff.)
Outside back - Evan Longoria
Goalie - Lebron James (could probably be a professional in ANY sport)

Sub - Nnamdi Asomugha
Sub - Jimmy Rollins (spark plug off the bench)
Sub - Brandon Roy (I picture him as being a great sub for the midfield. Everything he does is so well controlled - he is the sort of guy that could control the pace of play down the stretch.)

(Seriously, try to picture LeBron James at keeper for the US national team. I'm drooling at the thought of it. I think he could supplant Tim Howard after 6 months of training. Hell, while he's at it, he could just go ahead and be the best keeper in the history of the sport in one year.)

To bring it back to the NBA and the Blazers, how do you think NBA athletes could transfer their skills to soccer? Brandon Roy in particular? Are there any athletes you think I totally overrate or forgot about completely?

T$

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I am totally with you on most of these

But most of all Allen Iverson, he could have been the soccer player of a generation.

"The faster you begin an opponent’s blow-out, the more shots everyone will get." - El Blog Ilusorio de Rudy

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by TheOdenator on Aug 21, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking exactly this when I read AI's name up there

His personality would have also been perfect for soccer.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 21, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about anything negative, just that soccer lends itself to his style of athlete

He played American Football in High School, I bet he’d have been a spectaculat soccer player.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 21, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea i didn't read anything negative in your comment

Yea he’s always been the Energizer bunny, and his propensity to shoot and pull the defense would be awesome in soccer. I just can’t imagine him being anything less than phenomenal.

"The faster you begin an opponent’s blow-out, the more shots everyone will get." - El Blog Ilusorio de Rudy

"The cake was a lie..." -blazeraddict

by TheOdenator on Aug 21, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quickness and low center of gravity are at a premium in soccer.

This is not a new argument to me as I have had many occassions to defend the athleticism of American soccer players. One problem I have with the logic is, if American basketball players would make such superior soccer players then why don’t Spanish basketball players, as one example, make superior soccer players? Ricky Rubio, Rudy Fernandez, etc grew up playing soccer primarily but were more dominant as basketball players. The point guard skills you see on a basketball court only translate into great playmaking ability on a soccer field in theory. In practice, the skills are different.

It cannot be assumed that a basketball player with a great handle will also have exceptional touch and footskills. Hand-eye coordination is not always correlated to hand-foot coordination.

A couple other factors to consider. Size of the pitch. To be a great soccer player one must expand his field of vision far beyond the confines of a basketball court. Working in tight spaces is very different than in (more) open spaces.

If I accept the premise of your argument, then in theory I agree with some of your picks:

AI is a good pick as is Chris Paul. D-Wade and B-Roy also appear to have the quickness needed on the pitch but it would be interesting to see if the quickness they exhibit on the basketball court, ie – quick hands, jumping ability and arm length translates well to the game of soccer. I wonder how many of these players in fact played soccer as youngsters and what kind of potential they exhibited.

Finally, I believe the difference between the American Team and the Mexican Team in their recent match at Azteca had more to do with tactics and the environment than any perceived difference in athleticism. The Americans chose a defensive style of play that allowed the Mexicans to move the ball around the perimeter of our defense while trying to deny them the central channels to the goal. This led to an exhausting day of chase for the American midfielders and defenders who, once they won the ball did not have a cohesive plan for KEEPING IT long enough to relieve the pressure. Imagine a basketball team that played amazing defense but once a player gained possession he just dribbled until he finally coughed it back over to the opposition. On American soil (and with clean air), the US never uses this defensive tactic and recently has owned the Mexicans.

by mlsinpdx on Aug 21, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Donovan had swine flu

that’s my argument.

He looked like hell out there for 90% of the game, and if he had just not played I say we end our rotten streak in Azteca.

"The faster you begin an opponent’s blow-out, the more shots everyone will get." - El Blog Ilusorio de Rudy

"The cake was a lie..." -blazeraddict

by TheOdenator on Aug 21, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy is 6'6"

And is outweighed by a sheet of bubble warp. I don’t think he has the right kind of agility for soccer.

As far as the comparisons of field vs court vision goes, I think it is pretty fair. The big picture to me, is not being able to see near vs. far, but being able to see with your peripheries – seeing not just the ball and defender right in front of you, but ALSO everything else at the same time. I don’t think that’s a talent that changes much with the setting, but the implementation of it would for sure (but that’s just practice).

Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"

by T$ 225 on Aug 21, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Besides with Rudy

I wouldn’t exactly say he’s quick for the NBA anyways. He moves around enough, but compared to Rondo, Wade, CP, AI, or even LeBron, he’s not exactly one to blow by people.

by Royster on Aug 22, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

correction...Hand-eye coordination is not always correlated to FOOT-eye coordination

Sorry. By the way, I completely agree with the argument that if America’s best athletes focused on soccer the way they do in other countires that America would dominate in soccer. However, I don’t think the guys on US Soccer’s national team would be the same guys that now are among the elite in the NBA. No, I believe our national team would be filled with the tremendous athletes that get lured away from the pursuit of soccer by dreams of playing in the NBA and NFL, but who fall just short. Division 1 basketball and football athletes that maybe don’t have the elite leaping ability, 40 yard dash speed, ability to catch, etc.

Just think of all the Landon Donovan callibre athletes out there that did NOT pursue soccer, but instead switched to football and basketball, only to wind up working in some corporation after college, or working in a factory somewhere.

by mlsinpdx on Aug 21, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Stop it, you're depressing me

Check out this woman:
http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2009/08/17/cycling-phenom-evelyn-stevens-makes-waves-in-france/

Can you imagine somebody out there having that kind of ability for ANY sport and never realizing it (or maybe doing so too late)?

Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"

by T$ 225 on Aug 21, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

What a shame...

…just think there might be some dude sitting behind a desk somewhere in Oneonta, NY who, if he only knew it, could whip that Usain Bolt dude in the 100 meters. Or maybe he knows it but he just doesn’t feel like it.

by mlsinpdx on Aug 21, 2009 10:43 PM PDT reply actions  

soccer sucks

kay bye.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.
That and Gracilis.

by GoBlaze22 on Aug 22, 2009 3:47 AM PDT reply actions  

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