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According to this post on RealGM, which provides links and such to the info. Lamarcus is the 17th most overrated player in the league

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I look like,

Blake himself….

actually I get it almost daily.

Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."

Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 18, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little late

I remember arguing about this in a fanshot weeks ago.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

Just because I value rebounds and shooting efficiency doesn't mean I want to argue with you for hours about Wages of Wins.

by Muad'Dib on Aug 18, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm not gonna go there again.

Last time it got as ugly as a Turkish basketball player.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

Just because I value rebounds and shooting efficiency doesn't mean I want to argue with you for hours about Wages of Wins.

by Muad'Dib on Aug 18, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Named?

Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."

Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 18, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that's sarcasm that I can't read over the intertubes.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

Just because I value rebounds and shooting efficiency doesn't mean I want to argue with you for hours about Wages of Wins.

by Muad'Dib on Aug 19, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memo.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 19, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was sarcasm.

Big D from Blog-A-Bull - "Pritchard is such a genius that teams just give him players for free."

Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Aug 19, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'd recommend reading his post on the Blazers that he did a week or two ago.

Let’s just say, if he’s right, we’ll be winning a whole lot this season.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

Just because I value rebounds and shooting efficiency doesn't mean I want to argue with you for hours about Wages of Wins.

by Muad'Dib on Aug 18, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The good and the bad of Wages of Wins

condensed form:

good:
Wages of wins rewards efficient shooting

bad:
Wages of wins values a defensive rebound roughly twice as much as scoring a point
1 reb = 2 points

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the bad of WoW can be summed up with a single observation

Going by its numbers, Berri rated Troy Murphy (getting paid $11 million this year) as the seventh most underpaid guy in the league this year.

That being said, without going into it and needlessly infuriating MD above, I think it’s probably a little more on the right track than something like PER, but Berri’s inability/unwillingness to address what are obviously gaping holes in the rating system (i.e. Joel and Miller being more productive last year than Kobe as above) grates on me.

Still, I’m really looking forward to seeing the Rockets this year as a litmus test for the methodology. They’re basically a collection of the low usage, high efficiency players that WoW loves but PER hates, and none of them have ever played long stretches of time without the prototypical shot creator that Wow hates, so it’s going to be an interesting experiment there.

by Royster on Aug 19, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the issue with Kobe

is that he can tend to shoot you out of games. As far as talent goes, he’s definitely in the top 3 players in the NBA. He just doesn’t always take the best shots. It’s amazing he shoots the percentages that he does with the number of high difficulty jump shots he shoots a game. Last season the Lakers tended to lose when Kobe’s shot attempts went way up. Kobe’s at his best when he uses his talents to shoot efficiently.

And I admit WoW isn’t perfect. There are certain types of players that tend to do worse than they should. Specifically, it doesn’t do well measuring defense. Guys like Bruce Bowen who don’t do a whole lot other than defend on the perimeter don’t do well in the WoW system. WoW is probably best suited to determining players who are efficient on offense and maximize their box stats. Things like defense that don’t show up in box stats have a harder time with WoW. Hence, Zach Randolph is a good WoW player, but it doesn’t really account for his awful defense or cancerous attitude.

And yes, Houston will be the team to watch based off of WoW’s predictions. It will also be interesting to see if the Blazers do as well as predicted.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

Just because I value rebounds and shooting efficiency doesn't mean I want to argue with you for hours about Wages of Wins.

by Muad'Dib on Aug 19, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, quantifying defense with any box score stat

is going to be basically impossible so I don’t really fault WoW, or PER for that matter, for doing a poor job modeling it.

The issue with the efficiency I have is that guys like Joel or Bynum are only able to get the shots they get because guys like Kobe and Brandon are taking less efficient shots. Admittedly, there’s some circular reasoning going on here with Joel or whoever being efficient because they don’t take shots and so the mere act of “forcing” them to take more shots will make them change their game, affecting their WP stats. Still, it gets me that anyone can watch an NBA game, see that Brandon/Kobe/Joe Johnson is clearly the most important player on their respective teams, and yet assert that another player is actually the most valuable (Johnson being perhaps the most egregious example on his own team with Bibby supposedly being more productive than him last year).

I understand not wanting to let “conventional wisdom” influence the regression too much and dilute the results, but there’s trusting the numbers, and then there’s just being obtuse.

On the flip side, I think the Blazers are a less than perfect case study since at least a couple other analysts are also pretty high on them. Hollinger at least touted them potential contenders to make the finals. The Rockets, on the other hand, have no one else really picking them that I’ve noticed. If they can scrape a playoff berth, maybe Berri will finally have something else to talk about besides how he “amazingly” predicted that Andre Miller would make the Sixers better than they were with Iverson.

by Royster on Aug 19, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take him

and the players on either side off him, Carmelo and Mayo, or even Ben Gordon on the "next 5’

by twggyy on Aug 19, 2009 5:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think LMA is a little overrated, but not that much

And LMA has a lot of room for improvement unlike some of those other names.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Aug 19, 2009 6:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

He is sitting right next to carmelo anthony on that list, so I wont lose to much sleep over it.

- Sam

by RipCitySam on Aug 19, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

to say that LMA is overrated...

is the highest form of douche-baggery.

by GTsmookie on Aug 19, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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