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Fantastic Four: Which Blazers Should Be Honored?

According to sketchy plans presented Monday morning, each decade of the Blazers' existence (70s, 80s, 90s, Aughts) will be commemorated at the Rose Garden during a different game night this season.  

Hopefully this will involve crowd costumes, in-arena music selections, the whole works.  Regardless, these nights should be a nice stage to bring back some Blazers greats for a halftime spotlight.

So here's today's discussion question: Which ONE person, living or dead, from each decade MUST be included in the commemorations?

It could be someone you feel was overlooked, your personal favorite player, a team legend, a coach, a member of management, a fan, someone you've run into at the grocery store over the years, someone who went out of their way to sign an autograph, someone who you're just wondering where they ended up, someone who passed away that demands remembrance... you name it.  No rules here aside from limiting yourself to only one person from each of the four decades.

Here are mine:

  • 1970s: Geoff Petrie -- The franchise's first overall draft pick has been awfully quiet in Portland lately; I would love to hear some of his stories.
  • 1980s: Sam Bowie -- Catharsis. I'm ready to move Beyond.
  • 1990s: Drazen Petrovic -- RIP (Rest In Peace) City.
  • 2000s: Brian Grant -- Recently Grant described hiding his Parkinson's disease during Terry Porter's jersey retirement last December; if he's comfortable doing it, a halftime address to Blazers Nation would be unforgettable.  [note: I took some liberties here as Grant played for the Blazers in the late 1990s but has been a community presence, and team advisor, in recent years.]

Enough from me; let's hear from you.  Please list your Fantastic Four along with your reasoning.  If you get a chance, go through and rec your favorite entries so we can see if there is an emerging consensus. 

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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1980’s – Billy Ray Bates… man is this dude even alive? Sorry Ben, but we can’t have Sam Bowie on our court— EVER.

Nice touch with Drazen by the way, I really liked that.

Jim

by Larry The Croc on Aug 18, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Oddly enough....

The first name that came to my mind was Billy Ray. His connection to the others listed is tangential in that his demise was a self inflicted one. Too much partying, as I recall. But man, was he ever an electric player and shooter. I remember we used to shout “shoot it” as he crossed the center court line. I’ve never seen anyone like him.

by kuhnsmith on Aug 18, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The case of Billy Ray is one of the saddest in Blazer history.

He spent seven years in jail for robbing a gas station and slashing the ear of an attendant with a knife. He got out in 2006 I think. I wouldn’t want to trot him out to represent the Blazers of the 80’s.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the Bates update....

I was wondering what happened to him. Yes, it is sad. I wonder if Bates would qualify as the original “jail Blazer”? There certainly were a few after him although he may have been the only one to do time.

by kuhnsmith on Aug 19, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing!!!

This was the first thing that came to mind. Billy Ray was a shot in the arm, for Blazer fans. Can we just show a highlight reel? What about Calvin Natt or Darnell Valentine for the 80s. Hard workers and great citizens; really what we celebrate as Blazer fans.

by boiseblazer22 on Aug 19, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is no contest

Brian Grant demonstrated class as a Blazer. He has continued to give to the community and is an example of the character of player we hope to have as Blazers.

"Jason Quick is one of the best fiction sports writers in the country!"

by Amused13 on Aug 18, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Drazen Petrovic

hall of fame

Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!

by CroRupt on Aug 18, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

oh and for the 2000

sabonis

Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!

by CroRupt on Aug 18, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

#11

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going with Arvydas Sabonis for the 90s. If for no other reason than the idiots (like ‘Sheed throwing a towl in his face) he had to put up with. Sab was a great player. Imagine how much better he could have been for us, had he been here during a larger portion of his prime. He was 31 when he joined the Blazers as a rookie in 1995, the year I graduated high school. But basically I just remember his quiet, classy play. I’ve seen very few big men who could pass like he could.

Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:

Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)

- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com

by halo_on on Aug 18, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I want Greg Oden to introduce Sam Bowie - and then dunk on him

"I'm addicted to polo y'all...respect my fresh" - Travis25Outlaw

by Norsktroll on Aug 18, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

B-Roy got PAID!!!

by J-Xile on Aug 18, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't do that...

It would suck if one of them got hurt in that exchange… could you imagine?

by ranma on Aug 18, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lights dim... a spotlight illuminates Bowie and Oden...
Oden backs Bowie down, then leaps and throws down a ferocious dunk… which clanks off the front of the rim… Oden falls onto Bowie… two loud snaps echo through the Garden… both men clutch their legs and scream…

Yeah, let’s not go there.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 18, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oden falls onto Bowie…

LOL
No worries, Walton will hobble out and help them up… ahh, I guess that’d have to be Luke Walton.

by CHRISdotTODD on Aug 18, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

#25 Travis Outlaw

Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!

by broyposse on Aug 18, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

for 2000

we should honor Shavlik Randolph….seriously, the man’s name is Shavlik, lets honor him

by Fila429 on Aug 18, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Maurice Lucas from the '70s, if possible.

If he’s not able to coach this year I think it’d be great to honor him one more time. I would say Bobby Gross because of the way he personified the hard working team nature of the 77 squad but it might feel redundant to have him back again.

For the ‘80s I really like the idea of Billy Ray Bates. The ultimate flash in a pan. Totally stunned an extremely experienced Brent Musburger and dominated the league at times. He has become something of a folk legend and maybe some added attention would get some more of his highlights on youtube. haha. It would also be nice to give something back to a player who may or may not have gotten the short end of the stick in the NBA. We don’t know for sure, but it seems likely both parties could have done SOMETHING differently to help him better adjust to the NBA. Although after some unfortunate off court incidents he would be a problematic choice.

Other suggestions would be Mychal Thompson or Kermit Washington. Two guys who seem to be of high character, were pretty decent for our team and (I believe) our on the record as having really enjoyed their time in Portland.

‘90s Gotta be Buck Williams. The final piece that knocked the team over the edge in ’90. As far as I know he hasn’t been honored since leaving. Other options would be Jerome Kersey who continues to give back to the team and Arvydas Sabonis who hasn’t been honored despite being an integral and honorable part of those ’90s teams.

’00s should be Brian Grant, for reasons already stated.

by erastus25 on Aug 18, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

70’s: Bill Walton-Without him, we’d not have that lonely banner in our rafters.
80’s: Sam Bowie- I was fortunate enough to meet him while he was doing some grocery shopping when i was about 8 or 9. I was too stunned and shy to say anything, but he was very cordial and fetched down a piece of paper from the clerk at a nearby cash register to sign for me. One of the happiest moments of my childhood! He’ll always have a special place in my heart for that.
90’s: Clyde Drexler-do I really need an explanation?
2000’s: Brian Grant-I’ll usher him in the same way as Ben did. I think he epitomizes what this franchise has tried to stand for in it’s 40 years of existence. Even though he was a part of that rag tag group that Trader Bob brought in here, he stood well apart from the rest of that group.

If I've said it once, I've said it a million times: I heart Portland!!!

by saregister on Aug 18, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree on 3 of your 4...

The only change would be for the 80s and for that it’s got to be either Jim Paxson or Mychel Thomson. IMHO, Paxson defined the decade as a player for the Blazers, but Mychel has more personality.

The 80s were a quiet decade for the Blazers…a perennial one and done playoff team. Always hovering around .55 for the season…sometimes a bit better, but never really a threat to go farther until the Drexler-Porter-Kersey-Williams-Duckworth era.

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Aug 18, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paxson!

Excellent choice. He doesn’t get enough attention.

by erastus25 on Aug 18, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here it is

70s: Bill Walton
80s: Clyde Drexler
90s: Arvydas Sabonis
2000: Brandon Roy (or Grant)

by robrun2 on Aug 18, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

going with some people who haven't been recognized lately

so, skipping the obvious (Drexler, etc):

70s: Petrie is a great choice, or Lucas
80s: Paxson, Bates, or Darnell Valentine, who keyed the Blazers for 5 seasons in the early part of the decade
90s: Gotta be Sabas
00s: Lots of turnover this decade, not too many guys who spent a long time here. Brian Grant works for me, and he did play out the 99-2000 season for us

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Aug 18, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

heck, why not just pick pippin..lol

i liked steve smith too…

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Aug 18, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

I like the shout outs for the 70s and 80s. Where’s Lloyd Neal? How about player/coach Lenny Wilkins?

by CHRISdotTODD on Aug 18, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to pick just 1

70s Lionel Hollins
80s Jim Paxson
90s Clyde
00s Kevin Pritchard

He did it! Yes he did!

by We-B-Dunkin on Aug 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

bow4.....

1970’s : Bill Walton. Love him or hate him, Walton is the reason the PTB have a NBA Championship banner. Walton’s exodus from Blazerland left many fans angered by a feeling of betrayal and some of that is justified. Time heals all wounds, and I love listening to Walton announce nationally televised games because he always drops PTB nostalgia in fond reverence.

1980’s: Kevin Duckworth. Words cannot describe what a great guy and proud Trail Blazer Duck was. Trading Walter “the knife” Berry for Duck was arguably the greatest trade in PTB history.

1990’s: Chris Dudley. Dud’s work ethic was beyond compare. He was a true workhorse, and even as a diabetic played in over 800 NBA games. His free throw mechanics were truly laughable, but as a post defender and shot-blocker, Duds was one of the best in the biz. Super smart and ultra charitable, What a shame when he fractured his ankle in 93. That cast of he, Clyde, TP, Buck and Jerome would have been awfully tough to stop. Duds is a true class act and one of my favorite PTBs.

2000’s: Kevin Pritchard. Let’s give credit where credit is over-due. KP resurrected the franchise back into respectability. He revived a fan base that had had enough of bad eggs with talent in favor of drafting and acquiring high quality characters whom the fans appreciated. In KP we trust.

Everything comes gradually and at its appointed hour--Ovid

by bow4meow on Aug 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Fab Four

1970s – Larry Steele- great basketball intelligence combined with killer defense and a sweet shot. The Kentucky Rifle should be there.
1980s – Jim Paxson- when the team was struggling to rebuild after the championship, he provided the same kind of excitement and talent that Brandon Roy does now.
1990s – Terry Porter – unlimited heart and game savvy. Ran the team without boasting and came through in the clutch innumerable times.
2000s – Brian Grant – raw energy combined with strength, commitment, and game sense. He was a monster in the paint.

by Bob Fingerhut on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

mine

70s—Maurice Lucas
80s—Clyde the Glide
90s—Sabas
00s—Bonz er, I mean Brandon Roy. If you wanted to honor a past player here, I think Damon would be apt.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Each decade should be represented by

one of the guys who mopped-up player sweat during games. I mean, talk about your unsung heroes…

by MiledAnimal on Aug 18, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

my picks

70’s- Bill Walton. He was the main reason we have a championship banner.
80’- Clyde Drexler. Even though both finals appearances occured in the 90’s, Clyde established himself as the superstar of the 85-95 blazers in the 80’s, and was really the best player to don the blazers uniform in this decade
90’s- Terry Porter (I would pick Clyde again, but he gets the 80’s honor, so it would have to be his wingman for the 90’s)
00’s- Brandon Roy. Not only is he a 2-time all star, ROY, and the heart of this young franchise, but he is going to complete his 4th season with the blazers this year (which is part of this decade). He is already the most accomplished blazer since Clyde Drexler, but he also symbolically represents the upswing in the blazers’ fortunes this decade, which had been going downhill since the 2000 wcf debacle. Brian Grant gets sympathy votes, but in terms of straight up accomplishments and importance to this franchise and city, Brandon Roy is without a doubt the most important player for the blazers this decade.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Aug 18, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Walton? You gotta be kidding

It’s a shame so many folks have forgotten the mess Walton created when he left. He tried to blame all his health problems on the Blazer Doctors. It was Walton that was a vegetarian; getting high on who knows what with the Grateful Dead; it was his body that let him down, not the Doctors. If you put Walton in this group, you can count me out.

Sam Bowie? I was at the game where he broke a leg in pre-game warm-ups. If you put him in there, then you’d better include LaRue Martin for the 70’s. Bowie wasn’t the first bad draft… we took Martin when we could of had Bob McAdoo or Dr. J.

Here’s my list:
70s: Lloyd Neal (1972/73–79) — the heart and soul for so many years. At 6’7" he played an under-sized center even for his era. His career ended in a collision with Mo Lucas in a game at the Knicks. Honorable mention to Larry Steele.
80s: Clyde Drexler (1983/84–95) — his career was over-shadowed by MJ and Magic, but truly a great player. Honorable mention to Rick Adelman who was never recognized as such a good coach until after he left.
90s: Cliff “Uncle Cliffy; Gumby” Robinson (1989/90 – 97) — very versatile; played 18 years in the league. A. Sabonis and B. Grant deserve honorable mentions, but it was Cliff that could play the 3, 4, or 5 offensively and defensively.
00s: If longevity alone was a criteria, then you’d have to go with Joel or Travis. Fortunately, B. Roy (2006/07 -) has taken the team on his shoulders and earned this honor with just 3 years.

by CHRISdotTODD on Aug 18, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

"It’s a shame so many folks have forgotten"

I’m not sure so many have forgotten as have forgiven. Cut the guy some slack. I’d take Walton and his sour grapes attitude at the time and the NBA 76-77 Championship then not. I’m grateful for Walton’s contributions.

Everything comes gradually and at its appointed hour--Ovid

by bow4meow on Aug 18, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best representatives of Blazer history

70s – Lucas – Still has a strong Portland presence and was the muscle behind the Championship.

80s – Kersey – Another strong Portland presence to this day and is seen helping many causes around the community.

90s – Grant – Words cannot describe all he has done for those in need.

00s – Outlaw – He does not get enough credit for coming out of HS into a situation where he could have been easily influenced by several “leaders” of the jailblazer era teams into bad decisions. Instead, he has been all class, improved his game immensely, and very accepting of his role on the team. Honorable mention to Roy for saving the franchise…:P

by BlazerDavid on Aug 18, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Your list is perfect Dave.

If this is a voting thing, count my vote the same as yours.

Each pick is meaningful and I appreciate that you want to honor people who really gave to our team emotionally.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 18, 2009 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

do you mean ben instead of dave?

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Aug 18, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do.

Thank-you.

Apologies Ben, I just finished reading Dave’s sidebar & jumped over.

Perfect picks Ben.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 18, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone only picking players?

Doesn’t Dr. Jack get any love around here anymore?

by where's billy ray on Aug 18, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

The Real Keys to Our Decades:

1970’s Harry Glickman

This is the man who brought basketball to Portland and guided us through our initial years. It is who brought us our only championship. He selected the players. He selected the coaches. He established a rock foundation we could build on.

1980’s Bill Schonely

The voice of the Trail Blazers brought drama and reality into every game. His work was worth listening to win or lose. He was our audio logo, our theme song, our familiar voice through most of our years. He belongs in every decade but after Harry Glickman, Schonz rises in importance as a huge part of the connection of fans to the team. Blazermania was born and raised by Shonz.

1990’s Paul Allen

This man has invested a huge part of his life and fortune into the Trail Blazers. He brought us the Rose Garden while our rival to the north foundered on a new arena. He financed huge losses to give us 21 consecutive years of playoff basketball. Paul’s passion for the game and team has been the major influence that has brought us strong teams and a great place to play basketball for so many years.

2000’s Kevin Pritchard

The early part of the decade was ugly but Kevin has since been our rescuer. He is credited for re-creating a culture we can embrace as a community and a team we can love. KP is a fitting spire of hope for many years to come.

Players are memorable and necessary but the men behind those players have been the real MVP’s of the Trail Blazers. These four men much be included in the commemorations.

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Guys who would appreciate the gesture as much as we appreciated them:

1970’s Lloyd Neal ( Should have been Moses – someday I’ll get over it, but not yet )
1980’s Wayne Cooper ( cooooooooper!!, coooooooooper!! )
1990’s Buck Williams
2000’s Paul Allen and KP

by Rick C in Tigard on Aug 18, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Lots of great choices

Walton=ring, so he’s gotta be the guy. Luke or Neal if not him

When I think 80’s blazers, Pax is the guy I think of, despite Clyde’s many great years in the 80’s

Since I bumped Clyde from the 80’s, he’s gotta go here, which mean no spot for TP…damn this is tough.

00’s-could go with Grant or Sabas for former players, BRoy obviously if not.

by CT66 on Aug 18, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Sabas

"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.

by Sabonis4Ever on Aug 18, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I like lee3022's selections a lot.

As for players, however, I’d stick to the classics…

1970’s – Bill Walton
1980’s – Jim Paxson
1990’s – Clyde Drexler
2000’s – Brandon Roy

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by GonzoFan on Aug 18, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Why thank you!

I like your players a lot as well.

by lee3022 on Aug 19, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

so many great players and franchise people

its really hard to make a choice for any decade. maybe rather than the usual suspects from the 90’s teams maybe someone like mr. mark bryant a realitively forgotten player. but really this comment is for the one true blazer other than mr. glickman. bill schonely. if anyone in the organization should be honored, no matter who, bill schonely should be included. the shonz will be sharing the play by play on nostalgia night and he is the one person thru thick and thin, good times and bad, on top of the broadcast world or takin a screwing by steve patterson that has been there. there is noone more influential or who has had more of an impact on blazer basketball than bill schonely. bill sharman once said in an interview in the 70’s that bill schonely was the best basketball play by play man he has ever heard. he has been on the ballot for the gowdy award ( HOF election for broadcasters) for many years and just dosent have enough votes. a damn shame.

by tomthefrog51 on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sure the Blazers are smart enough to honor more than one person per decade.

But for the purposes of this exercise, my most deserving Blazers:

70’s Walton – No Walton, no championship, end of discussion.
80’s Paxson – Our leader of that era
90’s Clyde – Who else? Two Finals, 2nd best SG in the league behind the MJ
00’s Sabas – Roy will have his day next decade, Pippin’s glory was as a Bull, so Sabas

Casting a wider net, Players that defined the Blazers -

70’s – Petrie, Schlueter, Wicks, Steele, Neal, Walton, Luke, Gross, Hollins, Twardzik
80’s – Paxson, Kermit, Thompson, Natt, Vandeweghe, Bowie
90’s – Clyde, Porter, Buck, Duck, Jerome, Cliffy, Bryant, Dudley, Strickland, B. Grant
00’s – Damon, Wallace, Sabas, Pippen, Zach, (excluding current players)

Don’t let these guys get within 500 feet of the building – Rider, Wells

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Bet you'll be the only one with a Mark Bryant vote.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 19, 2009 3:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Mark Bryant

Mark Bryant was another PTB who brought his lunch box to work every game. Very unheralded player. So I’d back up that vote.

Everything comes gradually and at its appointed hour--Ovid

by bow4meow on Aug 20, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 20, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Grant for sure. Sabonis too.

Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons

by doublezeroduck on Aug 19, 2009 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Excluding the 70s (barely born)

80s – Drexler. Had a chance to meet him at this year’s all-star game and he is the nicest guy I ever met… and love’s Portland! I fit him in the 80s to open the door for…

90s – Buck Williams. I used to skip school to go to his and Drexler’s autograph shows at the local Payless Drug Stores! Good times.

00s – Paul Allen. Man, he has to have some war stories for these years of going from the rebuilding process. Thank you for sticking it out!

by hedgerocket on Aug 19, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

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