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Przybilla — II

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This-here piece continues the li'l article on Big Joel which ran in this space yesterday. If you haven't read Part 1 yet, you might want to do that now. It appears directly below. Or hammer this link if you're too lazy to scroll...

Since I've got a bit of blank space above the jump that I need to fill, this might be a good time for me to say thanks to MB and Benji for supplying some of the photos that I chopped, mutilated, and ran through the blender for this piece.

It's appreciated.

By the way, if you haven't ever read Mike Barrett's Official Blog, you need to start making that part of your daily routine as a Blazer fan. I'm sure virtually all Bedgers are all over it already, but it never hurts to slap up a little reminder now and then for the noobs... Check it out!

And so, without further ado — click on through to read part two...

Star-divide

Third Contract: Portland is home.

With the conclusion of the 2005-06 season Joel Przybilla's contract was up again. The 7-foot-1 Center looked forward to his second venture into free agent waters. Last time his rookie deal had run out and Joel was pushed headfirst into the deep end by the Bucks and Hawks. It was a miserable experience. Joel had frozen his butt off in the frigid pond and very nearly drowned — there was only one guy on hand to throw him a life rope, GM John Nash and the Portland Trailblazers.

This trip to free agency promised to be very different experience. This time everybody wanted to be Joel's beach buddy.

Two years as a Portland starter had proved to all that Joel Przybilla was able to compete at a high level in the National Basketball Association. There would be no 33 point offensive efforts by Joel in the NBA, but teams knew that by now. What Joel did do very well was block and alter shots in the paint and pull down rebounds. That stuff he did as well as anybody and that was plenty. 

Indeed, Joel Przybilla was widely regarded the top free agent Center of the Summer of 2006. Teams seeking mprovement at the position would come to him.

The Blazers wanted to bring Joel back to Portland in the worst way. The team was at low ebb, but the Blazer brain trust had no intention of staying in the cellar for long. For over two decades the club had made the postseason with a regularity that made major league baseball's Atlanta Braves look like pikers. Now it was just a matter of clearing out the knuckleheads and starting fresh with Character Kids.

Joel represented everything the Blazers wanted to be about — hard work and selfless play, consistency and team spirit. He had size, strength, and skill. Losing him would be regarded around the country as a great vote of no confidence in the struggling Portand franchise at a time when the team was having trouble getting its own fan base to buy in. Losing Joel would be a big step backwards.

Even though he was technically just the draft honcho, Paul Allen's golden boy Kevin Pritchard had assumed in actual practice the mantle of General Manager at this time, at least on questions of player personnel. Team President Steve Patterson was technically the "Acting GM," but everyone knew better. KP's vote counted extra when the suits sat down with the boss. Kevin had been inserted as Head Coach of the Blazer for the last 27 games of the 2004-05 season and he knew all about the donkeys from  firsthand experience.

He also knew who he wanted to keep.

As soon as the free agency period began in the Summer of 2006, Pritchard hopped a plane and flew out to Wisconsin. He had no desire to stock up on 5 year old cheddar, he just wanted to reaffirm in a very personal way the Blazers' commitment to their starting Center.

Joel was touched.

Pryz-story13_medium"I [had just] saw him the week before and I said, you know, Kevin, you don't have to come out and visit me. I know what we're all about and where we stand. But he came out and we had dinner and he flew out the next morning. It feels good to be wanted by someone. It meant a lot to me." ∏

The situation was analyzed from all angles by Joel and his agent. Potential deals were advanced and received. Multi-million dollar, multi-year pitches were made to Przybilla by the San Antonio Spurs and the Detroit Pistons, but to no avail. In the end Portland was ultimately able to lock down its starting pivotman again with their $32 Million/5 year bid.

Joel's decision to return to a team with a sucktastic 21-61 record, worst in the NBA, surprised some. But Portland had taken a chance on him when his stock was low and now Joel Przybilla was in a position to return the favor. 

"I've been lucky to play [six] years in the NBA," Joel said just as soon as the contract was done. "We'll see how the rest of my career goes. At least I have a role here. In the past, I was unwanted. It feels good to be part of something." ≠

Portland was also by now a real home for the Przybilla family, a fact which made it comparatively easy to accept the market-rate deal offered by the Blazers.

"We wanted to stay here," Przybilla said. "We enjoy it in Portland. Sometimes the grass ain't greener on the other side." ≠ Ø

"We'd made a home here," added his wife, Noelle. "Anthony was born here. We had doctors here. It's hard living in a new city. We've been lucky not to have gone through it too often." ≠

In another interview Joel noted that  "deep down in each of our hearts" he and his wife "knew that this is the place to be. We didn't want to come out and say it, but we just wanted to see what our options were out there. We're glad that it's over and glad of the position we're in right now." ∏

When asked why he did not accept offers for similar money from NBA powerhouses like the Pistons and the Spurs, Joel exuded a confidence that was music to the ears of a long-suffering fanbase.

"I see things turning around," he declared. "When things start turning around and once we start winning — which I believe that we're going to do — I want to be a part of that. I feel the vibe, is that the word? I feel the city, once we start winning..."

His voice trailed off, looking for the right words to express the feeling of that which might be...

"I want to be a part of that and I don't want to miss that. I feel that we have something special here."

"We've really appreciated the fans here," he added. "Even though the team has struggled a little bit in past years, I've never been happier in a place. This will be my 7th year. The first 4 or 5 years of my career were a little rough, but when I came here people just accepted us. There is a comfort zone. We believe that things are going to turn around." ∏

Joel also appreciated the direction the franchise was moving, with its new emphasis on youth and character. Whitsett's menagerie of criminals and knuckleheads had been lead to the slaughterhouse one by one and the stable was by now almost clean.

Pryz-story4_mediumFor his part, Kevin Pritchard was even more enthusiastic about keeping Joel in the red and black. He recalled getting the news of Joel's decision to come back to Portland while at a Summer League workout in Lake Tahoe.

"We finally got the deal done and I let out a resounding, 'YES!!!' and everybody stared at me for a while. That's how I feel right now. This is a great, great thing for our organization. It shows that we are making strides and that we are becoming a magnet for players, not just a place that is a steppingstone. Right now with the new collective bargaining agreement, unless you're way under the cap, most teams are competing for the same player with the same amount of money — and it's good to win one, let's just put it that way." ∏

The 27-year old Joel Przybilla approached the 2006-07 season with financial security and a renewed desire to help turn around the Portland franchise to which he had committed himself. There were a couple of new kids coming in via the draft, a Wing named Roy and a Big named Aldridge. They both were good college players with the reputation of being good guys off the floor as well. Kevin Pritchard had done well in the draft.

The team had turned over.

By the summer of 2006, a total of 10 players who played for Portland during the catastrophic 2005-06 season were gone. There was collateral damage that was part of the necessary cleansing, good guy Point Guard Steve Blake had been packaged to bring in backup reserve pivot Jamal Magloire from Milwaukee. Now there were only 2 donkeys left — former Clipper and Cav Darius "You Know What You Are, Mo?" Miles and pitbull aficionado Zach "Sucker Punch" Randolph. But one of those was a slasher who was about the only guy that could put the ball in the hole and the other guy was a borderline All Star, 20-and-10 guy, right? ~

Despite some time on the shelf early in the season with a heel injury, new Shooting Guard Brandon Roy exceeded all expectations in his debut season, 2006-07. The former University of Washington Husky was a starter in 55 of his 57 games, averaging 16.8 points and he won honors as the NBA's Rookie of the Year. Point Guard Jarrett Jack proved to be another good person with a good game, starting all 79 games for which he was able to lace them up and racking up 12 a contest. Former Portland State University star Ime Udoka added defensive moxie and an even temperament as the team's starting Small Forward.

Yeah, the slow, sluggish, and selfish highest paid player was also the team's top scorer and the leading rebounder, but all the sudden this Portland team was looking like something bigger than Zach Randolph's statistical line in the morning paper.

Lamentably, amidst this rebirth of the franchise Joel was forced to endure yet another injury-plagued year. 

The season started rough, with Pryz forced to miss the home opener with a lower abdominal injury. Originally projected to be out a week, Przybilla wound up missing 13 games, not making it back on the floor until nearly the end of November. By that time, the Blazers were 6 wins and 10 losses and staggering around like little kids getting hooped by Big Brother.

Joel resumed his place in the starting 5 and things were going swimmingly up until his old friend Mr. Injury nailed him again with a post-Valentine's Day treat. Once again a tweaked wheel, this time his left knee, had managed to knock Joel out for the year. The final 26 games of the season were lost. The team was 24-33 at the time Joel went down. Without him down the stretch hey managed just 8 more wins against 18 losses.

The Blazers finished 2006-07 with 32 victories. While this was represented a handsome increase of 11 wins over the horror that was the previous season, the Blazers were still bad enough to land in the 12th spot in the NBA's Western Conference. They were lottery bound again.

Oh, what a lottery it turned out to be.

Expectations skyrocketed when the team got the proper ping pong balls to secure the #1 overall pick in the 2007 draft, a choice which GM Pritchard invested in the star Center of the NCAA tournament runner up Ohio State Buckeyes, Greg Oden.

Was Joel concerned about the competition? Did he even care?

We'll never know because Greg Oden was down for season-ending microfracture surgery before the 2007-08 campaign could even begin. It was a tough turn of events for the team, but the Blazer nation was nothing if not patient. They w ould get their guy, they would just have to wait.

For his own part, Joel Przybilla sought to vanquish the rap that he was himself "injury prone" by playing in all 82 game in the coming year. That was the big target for him.

"If I can play all 82, there'll be a sense of accomplishment," he said. "I've never done that before in a season." ≠

For most of the year, it looked like Joel would achieve his ambition. He was consistent and solid, although Head Coach Nate McMillan raised eyebrows by pulling him late in a number of games in an effort to "go small" for some extra offensive punch. The tactic often backfired, but no matter. Joel still was having a nice year.

Then in Game 77 came disaster when Joel broke his hand on the rim. His season, for a third consecutive year, had come to a close before the last game was played. The Blazers finished 2007-08 squared up, 41 wins and 41 losses — out of the playoffs this time, but now clearly on the verge. The kids were all right.

Pryz finished the year narrowly missing his career high in minutes played, posting averages of 4.8 points and 8.4 boards in just over 23.5 minutes of game action. His rebound rate per 36 minutes worked out to 12.8 boards per game — a career best.† This rebounding rate compares well to that of the Gold Standard of NBA rebounders, Orlando's Dwight Howard, who boarded at a clip of 13.5 per 36 for the season. ∂

Pryz-story5_mediumMoving into the the 2008-09 season, Joel  was highly optimistic about Portland's team character and the group's chances for success.

"The thing with this team, guys aren't that selfish, guys are going to sacrifice things because we want to win. Winning cures everything... When I first started here, losing sucked. Last year we were .500 and even though we had a good year it still feels like we have a lot to prove. As long as we keep on getting better throughout the year we'll be in a good situation." ∑

Przybilla faced the prospect of moving to the bench to back up 2007's #1 overall draft pick, Greg Oden. Joel remained upbeat and positive. When asked about his expectations for playing time in the coming season, Joel gave an answer which he clearly divined from a a crystal ball.

"I know it's a long year, a long season," Pryz opined. "Greg could start at the beginning of the year — and I've had that happen before — then maybe I come and start at the end." ∑

And that is exactly the way that things played out.

Greg Oden was annointed the starter by Head Coach Nate McMillan ahead of the first game, and there was never any question for him about the decision — or thought about whether Greg Oden was mentally prepared to be a starter in the NBA. He was the #1 overall pick, he needed playing time to find himself after a year lost to microfracture surgery, and it was simply an accepted fact: Greg Oden would start.

That decision was not long-lasting. In the first quarter of the season opening contest on Oct. 28 against the Los Angeles Lakers, Oden landed awkwardly, twisting his ankle. X-rays and an MRI would follow, fortunately negative, but Oden was back on the shelf again, faster than a hater could shriek "Sam Bowie!" Oden was 0 points scored in 12:51 of game action and the media frenzy was on. The Lakers clubbed the Blazers by 20 and the 2008-09 campaign was off to a most inauspicious start. ñ

From that moment on, the importance of Joel Pryzbilla to the Portland Trailblazers' roster stood out in sharp relief. Oden was not too long in coming back, but it remained clear to all that the young man, no matter what his physical talents, had much to learn about the NBA game. By the end of the season Coach McMillan had concluded that his team was at its most effective with the consistent and reliable Przybilla assuming the starter's role, with the highly touted but sensitive "red-shirt" rookie coming off the bench.

Throughout his career, unless he was injured, Joel has been pretty much a 25 minute per night guy. As a dude that bangs hard and never coasts, that's plenty. The reason there are so few legit mashers in the NBA is simple: it's hard work and it hurts. 

Greg Oden's issue, on the other hand, is merely staying on the floor without being fouled out. He, too, proved himself to be a 25 minute man during his rookie year for this altogether different reason.

You put the two together, and it's a ferocious platoon — two exceptional rebounders, two superior shotblockers, The Center position for Portland was not an either/or in 2008-09, it was a either/and.

Joel started 43 games, skewed toward the end of the year, Greg started 39, skewed towards the start.

Joel logged an average of 23.8 minutes per night, Greg contributed 21.5. 

Joel scored 5.5 points a game, Greg put in 8.9 — for a positional total of 14.4.

Joel racked 8.7 boards a game, Greg 7.0 — for a positional total of 15.7.

Joel blocked 1.2 shots per game, Greg 1.1 — for a positional total of 2.3.

The Przybilla/Oden Center tandem did the job. And then some. ¶

Joel Przybilla was even ranked the #1 rebounder in the NBA for the 2008-09 season by ESPN.com's stat guru, John Hollinger. Æ

Best yet, Joel's success on the floor coincided with success by his team. Portland was back in the post season. They didn't just sneak in, either — the Blazers finished the year with a smooth 54 wins and the 4 seed in the all powerful Western Conference of the NBA. They were the hottest team in the league down the stretch, crushing opponents almost nightly.

Despite the fact that Portland had a kryptonite sandwich shoved down their gobs by the Houston Rockets in the 1st Round of the NBA Playoffs, losing in 6 games, it doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

The Blazers are close now. Very close.

Rip City is back, baby — thanks in some significant measure to the play of the Blazers' hero of the trenches, Joel Przybilla.

 

Snippets.

I — Shaq.

Pryz-story10_mediumPrzybilla's status as a legit 7-footer with an oversized tough streak to match has made him one of the few NBA bigs both courageous enough and able to put a body on Shaquille O'Neal, the 350++ pound man-mountain widely regarded as the best Center of his generation. Not surprisingly, sparks have flown periodically from the collisions between the irresistible force and the immovable object.

Following a November 1, 2008, game between O'Neal's Phoenix Suns and the Blazers — a game in which the aging Shaq racked up 16 points and 8 boards in a victorious effort, over Pryzzy's best efforts — Big Diesel was gleeful:

"Przybilla can't guard me when I'm 27, 37 or 47," Shaq-fu spouted.

When a reporter chimed in with the thought that a (posterized) Przybilla would probably be seen a great deal in a Shaquille O'Neal highlight reel, Shaq grinned and hooted.

"Thanks, Przybilla!" he smirked. Œ

This piece of mockery was widely quoted in the press.

When the two teams faced each other again three weeks later, Shaq seemed conciliatory, if not quite apologetic — as if his post-game locker room trash-talking had come out wrong and crossed the line. Shaq and Pryz yukked it up at center court before the game, hugging and exchanging good-natured banter. After the battle was over, Shaq once again held court with the press in the locker room. This time Shaq was gracious in victory, summing up his own performance by giving the man his due.

"I knew that Przybilla's a monster on the boards," Shaq simply said. "I was just trying to get as many boards as possible."

When asked about their brief words before the game and whether this represented a patching up of affairs between the two 7-footers, Shaq was jocular but emphatic.

"We don't have a problem," he declared. "He has a nickname that he doesn't like and I was just telling him that I thought it was a nice nickname, marketing-wise — 'Vanilla Gorilla' is what they call him. I told him that I liked it but he said that he hated it. So I said that I wouldn't call him that — so I won't call you 'Vanilla Gorilla,' Przybilla."∞

The assembled reporters cracked up.

Shaq is a funny dude.

 

II — Was Joel Przybilla a Big, Fat Fatty?

A fascinating article surfaced in the comments section under Part I of this article, courtesy of Mortimer "Morty" Mortone. So let's roll back, shall we?

As we recall, Joel was given the bum's rush by Milwaukee and Atlanta due to chronic injury problems, taking the form of tendinitis in a knee. In his 4th season, his contract year of his rookie deal, he was only able to play a total of 33 minutes in 5 games for the Bucks, who ditched him at the trade deadline to the Atlanta Hawks. His leg still gave him trouble and he only managed to play 12 thoroughly uninspiring games in Hawks red.

Perhaps Przybilla's knee issues were to be explained by the size of his belly, buttocks, and other bodybones...

According to an April 2005 article on RealGM, Joel Przybilla shed 40 pounds during the summer of 2004, prior to coming to Portland as an Unrestricted Free Agent in a deal signed with GM John Nash. ©

Milwaukee Head Coach George Karl wanted Joel to beef up so that he could mash with any and every Center in the league, so the story goes, and so Joel obligingly porked out and puffed up. The end result didn't help at all in the trenches and contributed significantly to Joel's inability to stay healthy, the article asserts.

So is it true?

Published NBA physical statistics are notoriously reality-challenged, so all we can do is take a little peek at the official numbers and guess. According to Basketball-Reference.com, one of the most reliable statistical resources, the 7-foot-1 Joel Przybilla came into the NBA as a rookie weighing 255 pounds and never gained an ounce during his Milwaukee career. Nor did he ever lose an ounce playing for the Blazers.

I reckon that's a question that simply has to be asked of Joel in person.

It would be interesting to learn.

 

III — Training Regimen.

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Przybilla is one of a growing number of NBA players who make use of Mixed Martial Arts training in the off-season to maintain conditioning — a group which includes his Blazer teammate, Steve Blake.° During the summer, Pryz spends 3 days a week working on his strength and endurance at the Duke Roufus MMA Academy in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.¥

His use of training for combat sports began in the summer of 2005, when he began to make use of boxing training to enhance his footwork and develop his stamina.

"I wouldn't take no hits," Przybilla he said of his experience. Rather, his trainer in Milwaukee, Scott Cushman, put pads on his hands and helped out with the heavy bag. Joel threw and he caught.

"Boxing is good footwork, working on your quickness and your core strength and it's an overall workout. We did a lot of core work on the abs, too. I feel stronger, my body fat is down, and I'm at between 240 and 245 pounds, which is a little up from last year. I feel like I'm in the best shape I've ever been," Joel said in the fall of 2005. *

These days Joel is enthusiastic about the use of MMA training for life in the NBA.

"You've got to have the core strength to hold a guy down in the paint and I can notice a difference," Pryzbilla declared. "I can tell it's helped a lot already. Where it's really going to help me most is defensively. The stance is almost the same in boxing as it is in basketball and like boxing, you're reacting to what your opponent does in basketball. I'm primarily a defensive player to begin with and I think this is perfect for that purpose."±

"During summer time, when you're trying to get away from basketball and trying to stay in shape, it's a great workout," Joel declared.¥

MMAer Matt "The Law" Lindland, who briefly worked Joel out in Portland, had praise for his rather large charge:

"Joel's a good athelete," Lindland declared, "he's got good movement, he's got good hips — he's an athletic dude."¥

Mark that one down as a high compliment.

 

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IV — The Millionaire Next Door.

The starry-eyed F. Scott Fitzgerald once used a banal line in one of his short stories, an otherwise forgettable magazine piece published in 1926.

"The rich are different from you and me," he gushed.

To which the smartass Ernest Hemingway replied: "Yes, they have more money."

Neither Fitzgerald nor Hemingway was hurting for cash at the time, mind you, nor is Joel Przybilla today — but you would never know it from the family's lifestyle. 

The Przybilla's are regular folks with a house in Tualatin, doting parents of a son named Anthony. No nanny, no domestic servants, just your average multi-millionaires next door.

Score one for Ernest.

Big Daddy Joel is bullish on fatherhood.

"It's been the best," he told a reporter in 2008. "Everything revolves around Anthony. It has changed my life. I come home after a game or practice, he puts a smile on my face no matter what."≠

Noelle even packs the Pryzzlet to Blazer games.

"He looks down on the court and is like, ‘Hey, there's Dad,' " she shared.≠

The family maintains a sensible, thoroughly normal balance, spending off-seasons around their families in Wisconsin and enjoying free time during the off-season in a cabin on a lake.

"I feel like we're... well, we're just normal people," Noelle has said. "I don't feel any different than anybody else."≠

 

V — The Inevitable Discussion about Contract Status.

Joel Przybilla has a player option for the 2010-11 season, in which he is slated to make $7.4 Million. ë

In other words, following the current 2009-10 season, he can choose to opt out to life as an Unrestricted Free Agent.

This has prompted wailing and gnashing of teeth on the part of some, who seem oblivious to the fact that in a league with a falling salary cap and luxury tax threshold, the complete list of teams looking to do UFA deals at contract levels exceeding the Mid Level Exemption (MLE) may be written on the back of a matchbook with a dull Sharpie.

Bear in mind that this year's comparable-player free agent signing, backup Center Marcin Gortat of the Orlando Magic, was offered the MLE by Dallas and matched by his former team. While starting Centers in the NBA with contracts in the $10M to $15M range abound, it seems that in the current NBA market, the defender and rebounder Joel's deal is more or less in correspondence with his market-determined value.

Since $7.4 Million exceeds the amount a team can pay in the first year of a MLE deal, the chances of Joel opting out of his 2010-11 deal would seem to be remote. 

Joel is happy with Portland, Portland is happy with Joel. Joel is respected by the club, beloved by the fans, and adequately paid.

Stop worrying. +

 

— END —


Footnotes:

†— Joel Przybilla's career stats may be found at NBA.com, http://www.nba.com/playerfile/joel_przybilla/career_stats.html, and the always useful Basketball-Reference.com, http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/przybjo01.html. Both of these sources were used extensively in the writing of this piece.

≠— Kerry Eggers, "Star on Home Court: Joel Przybilla divides focus between Blazers and his family," Portland Tribune, http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=120639645572259000, March 25, 2008.

+— The list of 1998 McDonalds All-Americans may be found at http://statsheet.com/bhsb/mcdonalds_all_american_team/1998

#— "Clem Haskins," Hoopedia wiki, http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Clem_Haskins, retrieved Aug. 12, 2009.

‡— "College Basketball's Tarnished 20," FindLaw Sports, http://sports.findlaw.com/basketball/tarnished/01/index.html

≤— Associated Press, "Report: Haskins Lied: Coach Denies Charges He Knew About Fraud," CNNSI, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/1999/11/19/minnesota_ad_ap/, Nov. 19, 1999.

¬— The Minnesota players suspended by the team over allegations of academic misconduct included starters Kevin Clark and Miles Tarver plus reserves Terrance Simmons and Antoine Broxsie. Sportsticker Enterprises, "NCAA Tournament Recap (Gonzaga-Minnesota)," CNNSI, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/men/scoreboards/1999/03/11/recap.minnesota.gonzaga.html, March 11, 1999.

§— Sarah Mitchell, "Przybilla's Gone, Gophers Hit the Road at Bad Time," Minnesota Daily, http://old.mndaily.com/articles/2000/02/22/13369, Feb. 22, 2000.

∆— Sarah Mitchell, "Przybilla-less Gophers Lose to Illinois 89-80," Minnesota Daily, http://old.mndaily.com/articles/2000/02/18/13337, Feb. 18, 2000.

£— Anthony Maggio, "Przybilla Finds Happiness, Challenges with Bucks," Minnesota Daily, 07/13/22247" style="color: #c8181d !important; text-decoration: none !important; background-color: transparent;" target="_blank">http://old.mndaily.com/articles/2001/07/13/22247, July 13, 2001.

ß— The 2000 NBA Draft went down like this: 1. Kenyon Martin, PF, New Jersey Nets; 2. Stomile Swift, PF, Memphis Grizzlies; 3. Darius Miles, SF, Los Angeles Clippers; 4. Marcus Fizer, PF, Chicago Bulls (yikes!). The thing is, it's not even really worth mocking the Bullies, there just weren't that many real players who went in 2000. A greater than average number of 1st Rounders simply did not pan out and there were relatively few future stars from whom to choose. Hedo Turkoglu went #16, leading the list of non-lottery talent. The Blazers picked next to last, #28, and took PG Erick Barkley out of St. John's. Remember him? Best pick of the draft was Michael Redd, going to Przybilla's Milwaukee Bucks with the #43 pick in the 2nd Round.

◊— "Answers from Joel Przybilla," NBA.com Chat and Mailboxes, http://www.nba.com/chat_and_mailboxes/answers_przybilla_020205.html, Feb. 5, 2002.

ÿ— An excellent resource of raw data for historical month-by-month and game-by-game analysis is http://www.databaseBasketball.com. For example, for the 2001-02 Bucks see http://www.databasebasketball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=MIL&lg=n&yr=2001

√— A chronicle of Joel Przybilla's injuries appears on the SBNation player page for Joel, http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21817/Joel_Przybilla

Ω— "Hawks Acquire Doleac, Przybilla, Pick," NBA.com, http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/trade_040215.html, Feb. 15, 2004.

•— Przybilla's contract was reported as $2.2 Million over 2 years in the press at the time of its signing, but the internet resource Basketball-Reference.com gives the figures as $1,500,000 for 2004-05 and $1,560,000 for 2005-06. These figures are assumed to be correct here. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/przybjo01.html

€— Joel Przybilla, interview with "Trail Blazers Courtside," http://www.nba.com/media/blazers/41106_joel.mp3, April 11, 2006. 

µ— Associated Press, "Nash Won't Return as Trail Blazers' General Manager," ESPN.com, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2463998 

Ø— It's pretty easy to confuse GM John Nash with GM Bob Whitsett just because the Blazers really sucked and there were a certain number of knuckleheads playing for each. But Nash should be remembered fondly by Blazer fans as the guy with the cojones to blow the sucker up and start building it again. Kevin Pritchard merely continued the line of policy begun under the Nash regime. He did have a really good 2006 draft though, eh? No diss on KP.

~— Please note again: it was John Nash and Steve Paterson who cleaned house, not Kevin Pritchard. The wrecking bar had been wielded prior to KP ever being named the Blazers' GM. KP eliminated the last two donkeys, one in a clumsy and extremely costly giveaway and the other in a controversial and graceless forced retirement fiasco. KP's brilliance is that of a builder. He has shown no great acumen in wielding the sledgehammer.

¶— To reiterate, the gold standard at the Center position in 2008-09 was Orlando's tandem of Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat, who put up combined totals of 24.4 points and 18.3 rebounds. One should bear in mind, however, that Orlando played a style that made use of one low post player and 4 de facto wings, which no doubt aided in beefing up the team's rebounding figures for its Centers. The Los Angeles Lakers, with Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum both capable of playing the pivot at a high level and big D.J. Mbenga on the bench, are another on the very short list of teams stacked at the position.

Æ— John Hollinger, "Hollinger's Final Playoff Statistics: Rebound Rate, All Positions," ESPN.com, http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=reb&pos=all&seasonType=2&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dreb%26pos%3dall%26seasonType%3d2

Œ— Brett Pollakoff, "Shaq Enjoys Playing Against Joel Przybilla, No Matter How Old He Gets," NBA Fanhouse, http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/11/02/shaq-enjoys-playing-against-joel-przybilla-no-matter-how-old-he/, Nov. 2, 2008.

∞— Brett Pollakoff, "Shaq Approves of Joel Przybilla's Nickname," NBA Fanhouse, http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/11/24/shaq-approves-of-joel-przybillas-nickname/, Nov. 24, 2008. Shaq's direct quotes are transcribed from a raw audio recording of his post-game comments to the press, the mp3 of which appears at that same URL.

º— For Blake's use of MMA training, see http://forums.mmanews.com/general-mma-forum/31857-nba-player-steve-blake-trains-mma.html

¥— "Joel Przybilla of the Portland Trail Blazers at Team Quest," YouTube video, " style="color: #c8181d !important; text-decoration: none !important; background-color: transparent;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pHoHSCZugM

*— Kerry Eggers, "Przybilla's Primed for Basketball and a Baby," Portland Tribune, http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=31853, Sept. 27, 2005.

©— Billy Ray, "Surprise, You Have a Center!" RealGM.com, http://trailblazers.realgm.com/articles/95/20050413/surprise_you_have_a_center/, April 13, 2005.

±— Joel Przybilla, testimonial for Duke Roufus Academy, http://www.milwaukeemma.com/testimonials.html.

∏— Interviews by Mike Barrett with Joel and Noelle Przybilla and Kevin Pritchard on Trail Blazers Courtside, July 17, 2006. Audio links via "Przybilla On Courtside Monday Night," Mike Barrett's Blog, http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_archive.html, July 17, 2006.

∂— "Dwight Howard," Basketball-Reference.com, http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html

∑— Casey Holdahl, "Catching Up with Joel Przybilla," Center Court Blog, http://trailblazerscentercourt.blogspot.com/2008/09/catching-up-with-joel-przybilla.html, Sept. 25, 2008.

ñ— Jason Quick, "Lakers Take Out Greg Oden and the Blazers on NBA's Opening Night," Behind the Blazers Beat, oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/10/highpowered_lakers_crush_blaze.html" target="_blank" style="color: #c8181d !important; text-decoration: none !important; background-color: transparent;">http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/10/highpowered_lakers_crush_blaze.html, Oct. 28, 2008.

ë— An extremely useful resource detailing team and player salary data, browser-bookmark-worthy for every fan of the NBA, is "Storyteller's Contracts," http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/

+— On the Aug. 17, 2009 episode of "Trail Blazers Courtside," Mike Barrett said with great authority that "I know that's the plan" for Joel to exercise his player option. Absolutely no hesitation or shadow of a doubt on the matter, with the implication that he was leaving so that Joel Freeland would have a place coming over from England for the 2010-11 season. Hmmmm. I''ll bet you a beer he doesn't...

This article is dedicated to Greg Oden as a reminder that big men getting hurt is par for the course. People who know the game understand this. Don't worry about the others.

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Thanks Timbo

I like Joel a lot, and I appreciate the work you put in.

I get the paper, so I don't care!

by Name's Ash on Aug 17, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

This is awesome

Thank you for the time you put into this, I really appreciate your efforts both with Pryz and with Miller.

If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer

by Clevelander among roses on Aug 17, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

This is a fantastic piece

You are really doing great…I love to have you do a bio of Rudy but it would be tough to get all the translations you would need.

PS …Ohio State was the runner up …not the Nat’l Champs

"I'm tired" -Me

by 92wastheyear on Aug 17, 2009 11:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm shut down on the ability to make edits at this point, mistake noted.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ta.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff.

I’ll try not to worry.

But remember, the more important the guy is, the more we worry. To me Przybilla could be a seriously awesome rotation big for a championship Blazer squad. So I’ve got to worry at least a little bit even though he’ll probably stay.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 17, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

timbo also answered the question: Can Joel's face look any more like a ghost?

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 18, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

small mistake in the post

“Former University of Portland star Ime Udoka” should read former Portland State University star Ime Udoka. otherwise, very nice job.

I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany - Ron Burgundy

by zotsi on Aug 17, 2009 11:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm shut down on the ability to make edits at this point, mistake noted.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fixed silently, thanks for the catch.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

If there's one player Timbo and I agree upon with each other, it's Joel Przybilla.

Przybilla, without a doubt, is of the utmost importance to the Portland Trail Blazers.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey, AK, I've got some Sonics questions for ya, please drop me an email if you get a chance...

MutantPop@aol.com

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Read

Very impressive work Timbo. I’ve always loved Joel’s blue collar work ethic. What was the spat with Marty about?

by blazinagain on Aug 18, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I never did get to that, did I. Just a little scuffle in practice, no big rip.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will not forget Joel's loyalty during that "hopeful" summer

when the team was welcomming new coach Nate, and other teams with more seeming promise were courting Pryz. I remember people predicting he was “gone” (possibly Quick). We didn’t have any prospect of Oden then. But he chose to stick with Portland, and I trust we will be sticking with him. He deserves to be a part of the best that this team becomes, even if it is as a backup. It is one of the reasons I cringe when someone casually throws out his name in some festive trade banter. I hope he will be with the Blazers for a long time.

by Berkeley on Aug 18, 2009 12:18 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Very well put

In a “cash and carry” world, I think loyalty deserves to be rewarded. It lets other players know that loyalty and hard work are appreciated by the fans and the organization. In the long run, that will help us keep our youngsters and bring in quality FAs.

by upper left corner on Aug 18, 2009 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly.

Why trade przybilla for all the things he’s done for us? And for who? End of the arument.

WE WANT T-SHIRTS!!!

by nateinaloha on Aug 18, 2009 7:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is this the end?

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly.

Why trade przybilla for all the things he’s done for us? And for who? End of the argument.

WE WANT T-SHIRTS!!!

by nateinaloha on Aug 18, 2009 7:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or is this?

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

both

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Aug 18, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He could have played with Duncan in San Antonio but chose the Blazers.

That’s huge.

As I recall, the Spurs were even offering a bit more cash.

by MiledAnimal on Aug 18, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic article, and Footnotes! Scholarly. A+
Przybilla, without a doubt, is of the utmost importance to the Portland Trail Blazers. AK1984

I’m a big Oden booster, yet, why do people even THINK about trading Joel.

Glad to hear that he is likely to re-up, and wants to be with Portland. He IS signed up for “something special”.

btw, Can we now officially dream of Martell being back at 100%?

by Sashland on Aug 18, 2009 1:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Lets see how he looks in the coming weeks when he has been fully released for practice.

For now, he is unknown. To count him out or count him 100% before preseason isn’t smart.

Dream? We’ve been doing that all along, I hope.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Aug 18, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

No,

haven’t even been allowing myself to Dream what it would mean if MW was back at full speed.
Maybe I’ll still hold on dreaming until I actually see him run…

by Sashland on Aug 18, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great job again, timbo

That MMA training.

We’ve seen some progress over the last couple of years in Joel’s catching the ball. I wonder if that training is a factor in improving his coordination as well as his strength and conditioning.

No more “stone hands”?

I’m not too concerned about Joel opting out. I’m concerned about what happens the following year, especially if Greg really starts to cut into his minutes.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Aug 18, 2009 1:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Can't wait to see Miller feed our big guys.....

Miller cutting through the lane and dropping it off to Pryz, Oden, and LMA for the jam is the play I want to see. Throw in a few lob passes, and Pryz might turn into something of an offensive force. It would be awesome to see a guy blossom a bit this late in his career.

I hobe Bayless is taking notes on the bench.

by upper left corner on Aug 18, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic read!

Thanks timbo, I really enjoyed it.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.
That and Gracilis.

by GoBlaze22 on Aug 18, 2009 1:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Nope, I did.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

superb work

Two thumbs up, Timbo.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Aug 18, 2009 1:54 AM PDT reply actions  

wow very awesome

thanks timbo, great work. I loved reading this and am a big fan of Przybilla and his game.

by chickenmelt on Aug 18, 2009 2:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Giga-Thanks, Timbo!

You’re a really good writer.

by jayfisher on Aug 18, 2009 3:13 AM PDT reply actions  

thanks...!

Great job… I really enjoyed that.

by 1ofthe7 on Aug 18, 2009 3:46 AM PDT reply actions  

That was quality.

I have only one issue.

The season started rough, with Pryz forced to miss the home opener with a lower abdominal injury.

Let’s call this what it was, a world class shot to the groin that kept him out for a month. I still get faint when I think about it.

Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.

by shenanigans on Aug 18, 2009 5:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Timbo is being kind

His piece is referenced Nationally by the blogfather on True Hoop and thus has widespread attention. I do get your point. Joel even admitted he was so swollen he could not even walk.

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I just missed my chance for one or two excellent jokes. Ooops.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 19, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep - great piece

I, for one, hope Przybilla spends the rest of career (hopefully a long one) as a Blazer.

As for II — Was Joel Przybilla a Big, Fat Fatty?: I’ve heard that theory before, but in the pictures in a Bucks uniform he looks pretty thin. Don’t think you need to ask him, pretty obvious his weight hasn’t changed that much – even on a guy who’s 7"1’, 40 pounds is gonna show.

by greenknight on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I fairly clearly remember Joel stating

that Karl encouraged him to pack on the lbs. but Joel didn’t think he was effective at that heavier weight so he took it off prior to coming to Portland.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the time, everyone was trying to get their ceters up to 350 to compete with Shaq.

Stupid thing to do really. Players are what they are. I wonder how many careers were ruined because of stuff like this?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 18, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's extra weird for Milwaukee though

What, were they gonna need Joel to be that big for the two times they faced the Lakers during the season and then during the thrilling Lakers/Bucks 2001 Finals that was all but etched in stone?

I get why Karl might think bigger is better (even though it is wrong), but it doesn’t even make sense for the Shaq era, when he wasn’t something they had to regularly worry about.

Just one of those misguided mistakes, it seems like. Guys need to be strong, but adding weight for the benefit of adding weight is not good.

Morty

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do seem to remember a lot of centers at the time were packing on pounds

And not nescesarily muscle.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 18, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, I remember it too

Maybe it just made more sense at the time!

Maybe Karl felt Joel just wasn’t mobile/athletic enough to get by on his natural athleticism at his natural weight, so he decided to try to make him a big huge bruising slow 7+ footer.

I’m glad Joel was able to get back down to a natural weight and be mobile again.

M—

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The NBA is a copycat league

I remember nearly every team coveting a player who dominates like Shaq as well as realizing a NBA championship had to go through Shaq. He was simply that commanding a presence.

The rules have changed (or at least the calls have changed) and a more mobile and quick player has the advantage, especially if he can shoot from outside.

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great piece. Really emphasizes the importance of the big guys staying healthy

I would be happier if we had a veteran 4-5 sitting on the bench. A season ending injury to GO or Pryz would really hurt.

by upper left corner on Aug 18, 2009 6:57 AM PDT reply actions  

.... or more likely a season ending injury to Oden.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you: random events.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Broken wrist,

bad tonsils,
major knee surgery,
sprained ankle,
chipped knee cap,
all before he ever played 20 games for the Blazers.

And then the somewhat ominous signs:
protruding disc in spine,
legs one inch different in length,
the famous report from an east coast gm that x-rays revealed his knees to be deteriorated,
the famous report from an east coast writer that he walks like an non athletic old man,
he looks like an old man.

My money says Joel will play in more games this year than Greg. Of course, strongly believing that Greg is the key to a championship, I want to be wrong..

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I need to add though

that I was very pleasantly surprised that Oden did end up the season still standing after playing a fairly large number of games …. and is still healthy to this point. These are great signs although I remain nervous every time he takes the floor..

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you are amazingly negative ;-)

Tonsils— really?
Knee surgery— bad. Scary bad.
Sprained ankle— it is basketball.
Chipped knee cap— random, unlucky, but normal

Reports from biased east coast GMs with motive and personal interests in belittling another team and player do not deserve your respect as actual evidence to Oden’s fragility.

Nor does Bill Simmons, who is on the West coast. Walking with a pimp strut backstage at an awards ceremony a few days after running up and down the court and dunking with one step within the FT line in summer league do not make me think he has a natural limp. It is a young kid cool guy walk.

Oden looks like an old man due to extra skin on his face. It is not wrinkles or some advanced age defect. I think people focus on that too much.

Oden had micro. Micro is bad. Scary bad. He has recovered from the micro and hasn’t felt any pain from it. We should be happy about his recovery and how good he looked in extremely limited minutes. He has no reoccurring injuries that may pop up later in his career, right now. It doesn’t mean he WON’T, as anything can happen, but has happened thus far isn’t a big deal aside from micro— which he appears to have recovered nicely from, with only conditioning left to regain.

Aside from micro, every single one of his injuries are normal basketball related or life related (tonsils) injuries. If he wasn’t Greg Oden (if he was, say, Joel Przybilla, who has had a long career of injuries), we wouldn’t worry so much about it.

To me, he just needs to be conditioned. He’s been unlucky since leaving college though, preventing a truly conditioned Oden from appearing yet. So, I worry about his conditioning and remain puzzled why it seemed like he always had a cold during his lost micro year, but I take the “he has a cold” as a go-to lie to tell for why Oden wasn’t somewhere, or didn’t want to make an appearance.

Since he’s a true big man, injuries and ouchies will always occur. The ones we need to worry about haven’t happened to Oden… feet or back problems. Thankfully.

I get why you’re nervous though, and all I can do is hope he can stay out on the floor. There is no doubt that when he was playing, he was very effective for a rookie center who was raw as cookie dough. For our own sanity, though, we gotta separate the real serious injuries from the par for the course ones. Only micro is truly bad, and if he has overcome it, we’re okay.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right Morty.

Although in this situation I’d classify myself to be pessimistic as opposed to negative. I’ve never thought of myself to be much of a negative person.

I’ve always been a little amused by your “extra skin on his face” theory. I’m trying to think if I’ve ever know anyone else that way. Skin of the young is usually taunt and filled out. Hmmm.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the same thing on the top of his head

The extra skin folds on top of his head, Battier’s head, Pippen had it too when he unfortunately shaved his head…

Oden has those, plus on his actual face. It isn’t common, but they ain’t wrinkles caused by the elasticity of the skin fading or drooping. The rest of his body looks like a 20 year old athlete. His face simply has extra folds from the top of the head to the face area. He’d be a prime candidate for a hair transplant, should he ever go bald, which he shows no sign of… lots of extra skin to pull back and cover the area removed.

I am weird.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joel is The Man

When he came out and said this is where he wanted to be and why, to me it is kind of the turning point for us. I know we had to get rid of the Wittsetts and the Nash’s and pattersons and get KP in there, but if there is a symbol for the turn around for me, at least on the player end, it’s Joel Pryzbilla taking a chance on us signing that contract. He could have been in San Antonio probably helping them win another title. So to me Joel is a Blazer forever no matter what.
Years from now when this team gets called back to celebrate the success of the past (the way we do Clyde, Terry, Jerome, Buck et al now…) Joel better be there on the floor too.

by Zers4Ever on Aug 18, 2009 7:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Timbo - Thanks so much

for the work and knowledge. I enjoyed it very much and it incresed my respect for Joel.

by Iluvdisteam on Aug 18, 2009 7:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Good stuff.

I’ve been off on a baseball jag, only checking in here occasionally. Your stuff is well worth the read.

ignacio

by ignacio on Aug 18, 2009 7:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I got my Fix-O-Matic turned on for the day.

Fixed silently, thanks for the catch.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joel believed

“Kevin had been inserted as Head Coach of the Blazer for the last 27 games of the 2004-05 season”.
The team went 5-22 during that time and Joel still signed with us!

Great piece of research. Many thanks and lookin’ for more.

by Gaz on Aug 18, 2009 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Great read! I hope we can learn something more...

Joel is not a gorilla, if anything, he is closer to a dinosaur. He is a somewhat endangered species in the NBA. How many white players are there in the NBA who were born and raised in the USA? Of that number where does Joel rank on the list? It appears that he ranks pretty highly. But does Joel really want any kind of extra credit for this? Does he want to be a, "great white hope?"

Maybe Joel deserves some limited recognition for being one of the best in this prehistoric category. It is not easy to go against the odds, so again, I give Joel credit for what he has accomplished. But, I would also contend that he does not need any extra credit for this distinction, since he has earned his place in the NBA.

Unfortunately, racism’s remnants can still cloud our vision, and fans can be somewhat self-serving and lose their impartiality, and overvalue Joel in the larger pool of NBA players. This kind of patronization is not necessary. I don’t even think Joel would want us to overvalue or deify him. As we saw in Greg Oden last year, it can make a player downright uncomfortable. Joel is likely quite happy with who he is. After all, most of his TEAMMATES and CO-WORKERS are black. I think Joel evaluates players based on their skills.

He is certainly not perfect, as some of the college incidents might confirm; it’s like his wife was saying about them being regular people, and Joel is saying between the lines, when he talks about having a beer—"we‘re regular people living our dreams." And that is plenty good enough.

So next time any of us are tempted to exaggerate something about Joel, I hope we will remember who Joel is and realize that what he is is good enough, flaws and all. I hope we will remember that this is a man who truly believes in what he has accomplished and would not want his hard work tarnished in any way.

Joel is a good, not great, NBA player. He should not have to worry about gorillas or dinosaurs, vanilla or chocolate, and from what the Shack episode told us about the nickname, he does not even like it. As for myself, I have never been too comfortable with it either. To me he is just a rebounding, shot blocking fool!

There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.

by KINGofMACct on Aug 18, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Trying to find some fatty shots

There’s one file photo always used of Joel, and I am pretty sure it pre-dates his Blazer days because I remember it from before he was a Blazer. This one:

Double chin, fuller cheeks, compared to the Joel we know and love:

It isn’t a scientific comparison, and I can’t find good photos otherwise. I remember in interviews from the time he addressed his weight loss, and staying in shape, and that he got big for George Karl— but he respected and learned a lot from Karl and he was glad he got to learn under him.

Hardly anyone, even die hards like us, remember him from his Bucks days. Even Bucks fans hardly remember him. His game wasn’t pretty— though I can’t pretend to watch every Bucks game, of course. I just remember him as a very good example of why you don’t take white big men in the lottery (of course, in the 2000 lottery, there wasn’t much better to choose from).

Slow, stiff, and unskilled. It was a new player we got for the Blazers.

Now, there are some red flags on Przybilla’s past that might tank another player in a similar situation, or at least make the fans hate them. Przybilla was a bad student, indeed skipping classes eventually to focus on his career (imagine if OJ Mayo or Kevin Love or Brandon Jennings did that). He was extremely raw and took YEARS to become a serviceable player on a good team. While not his own choice supposedly, he battled weight problems. He suddenly returned to his in-shape, athletic self once his career was on the line.

I list those not to say I think they are indeed red flags on Joel’s character or game, but to underline the fact that some players need time to develop, some make mistakes in their youth that doesn’t make them a bad person for forever more, and Joel is a great example of it.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

No doubt in my mind that Pryz did play heavy in Milwaukee at Karl’s urging but lost that weight when he came to the Blazers to become a more mobile players. I remember the conversations about it.

And the shame of forgoing college studies to instead focus on his career? Umm, he has a little company here. Prime examples are all those who went from high school right into the pros, or those doing so after their freshmen years, or those doing so after their sophomore or junior years.

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by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is a difference

between playing on a college team while skipping classes, and dropping out of school (or skipping college) to go pro.

You aren’t breaking any rules to drop out of school or skip college entirely. But if you are skipping classes and not doing your studies while playing for a college team, you are breaking rules.

Joel has obviously grown up a lot since then — he is a hard worker who obviously knows what it means to pay your dues, if in a different way than in college. So I’m not saying this to bash Joel — I’m proud to have him on our team. Just to say that there is a difference between what Joel did and what Kobe or LeBron did.

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by jscot on Aug 18, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

And if skipping classes is bad,

I suppose not studying hard is equally so.

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by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not studying enough to complete requirements is

If you aren’t going to pay the dues of going to class and fulfilling academic requirements, don’t go to school. Play in the D League or go to Europe, or work at Walmart for a year or something.

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by jscot on Aug 19, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

To me, for most people

The point of college is to provide a basis for your future career, either to make you a more qualified candidate or to provide education for that career. Joel’s obvious career was NBA basketball, so anything he did to make it to his chosen career should be perfectly fine.

Skipping classes sounds bad, but I don’t see why it is. He was there to provide a basis for his career, and he did so.

The worst parts, and I believe why so many Minnesotans still hate Joel, is that he skipped classes and made himself get kicked off the team DURING the season, so it tanked the rest of the year. I am not an expert on that though…

Morty

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hit post too soon

ADD THIS:

Skipping classes sounds bad, but I don’t see why it is— after the season is over. You’re there to play basketball, you intend on leaving after that school year is up, I can see why he wouldn’t care after that about school.

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a side note

I think HS kids should be able to turn pro out of HS if they are good enough for it, but I also agree that it helps the NBA to have an age limit. Cuts down on the busts.

—M

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually the one-and-done players don't have to go to many classes

They can take really easy classes their first semester and not bother to even show up for the second semester (they drop out before the end of the term to prepare for the draft).

So OJ and Kevin may not have gone to class and we would never know. It is why college coaches want 2 years to force players to also be students.

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this was in a footnote

But I think it’s fun to re-read the past:

Joel’s first signing with the Blazers.

As an added bonus, I think he looks heavy in the Hawks jersey.

M—

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I was having the worst time finding a picture of him in a Hawks jersey...

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by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Ben will ask him about FattyGate this fall...

If you assume he came into the league at 255 (official weight that followed him throughout), Karl porked him up to 275, and he went down to 235 his first year as a Blazer, as he alludes in the snippet on MMA for training, you get to a 40 pound weight loss.

Here is the way to ask the question without getting punched in the head: “What’s the heaviest weight you ever played at?”

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by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't so much look fat as soft

We are used to seeing Joel as toned and muscular but here he is definitely not.

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when I say FAT, I am being sarcastic

He does appear to be heavier than he was as a Blazer, giving credence to what some of us remember from interviews back then.

Mo—

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Inexplicable to me

is that with all the respect Pryz garners from fans, teammates and even opponents, that it took until this last season to get that respect from McMillian. I’ll be hard pressed to forget Nate’s shabby treatment of Joel in favor of a horrible Magloire…..this especially irritated me after Joel had shown his loyalty to the team by eschewing offers from two high powered teams to re-sign with the lowly Blazers. Even after Magloire was gone, McMillian always seemed reluctant to give Joel minutes when it really counted. Start him, pull him out always after two fouls, then play him for a short time starting the 2nd half. I never knew what was up with that, but it has frustrated me nearly to tears.

And I’ve always been bewildered why Nate never looked to take advantage of Joel’s ability to score off the pick and roll as he did so nicely with NVE. Asked about it once, he muttered something about our crop of point guards not having the proper skills to do so. I think that was generally B.S. This year will be telling with Andre Miller now on board.

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by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Pryz's horrible foul shooting made it tough to keep him on the floor at the end of games

Sometimes I think we tend to forget how much Pryz has improved in the last three years. Not only his foul shooting, but his ability to catch passes and his ability to stay out of foul trouble. Development doesn’t necessarily stop at age 25. Particularly for bigs and PGs it often takes years for guys to figure out how to be effective.

by upper left corner on Aug 18, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree about foul shooting as an end of game consideration.

But even when healthy, I have bad memories of Joel getting only 20 minutes or less for the entire game. It happened way to frequently.

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by TwoDeep on Aug 18, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say that with Miller the Blazers could average 20 points out of the Center position, at least.

Oden has better hands than he showed last year, and I distinctly remember the NVE days. At the time that was about the only thing that was right with the team.

Don’t forget that he also only recently remade himself at the foul line. How many players have ever done that? Joel made himself into a 25 minute player.

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by haildablazer on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joel simply did not play well that year

2006-2007 stat comparison 36 min basis:

Joel: 4.3 PTS; 8.6 TRB; BLK 3.4; FG% 47.4%; FT% 37.0%; PF 6.4; PER 7.4

Jamaal 11.2 PTS; 10.4 TRB; BLK 1.4; FG% 50.4%;FT% 54.1%; PF 4.8; PER 11.5

So by the numbers Magloire was better in every area except blocks.

I am particularly drawn to the fouls by Joel in his 5th year in the league (6.4) matching Greg’s 1st year in the league (6.5) yet Greg gets all the grief!

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at that

Joel had over 6 fouls per 36 minutes that year.

Maybe big guys who foul a lot can improve on that after all.

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by jscot on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great job Timbo....

Really well written and researched piece. Noelle might even learn a thing or two about her husband by reading these two pieces.

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by antediluvian on Aug 18, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Tee hee.

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by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Timbo

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Very nice piece Timbo

Kudos.

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by jamon51 on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Yo, Timbo

These posts on Joel have been fantastic. Well played, sir. Well played.

p.s. Get the Przybilla jersey – I’ve got one and need a fellow Joel-head – none of these trendy Rudy or Roy supporters.

by DonkeyShins on Aug 18, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

How about one of those old school red ones that they're bringing out in November?

That’d look good.

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by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want one

Those are the bomb….not sure I would get the Joel one, but man those are sweet

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by 92wastheyear on Aug 18, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've got the black one

Nothing like a black jersey to bring out the pastiness of my skin.

by DonkeyShins on Aug 18, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll rock my Przybilla jersey with you.

It’s the only one I have right now. Though I’ll probably get one of the classic jerseys when they’re out.

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by chalupa king on Aug 18, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the nice words eveyone, over and out.

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by timbo on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

No, Timbo...

Thank YOU.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

RT: the chances of Joel opting out of his 2010-11 deal would seem to be remote.

Mike Barrett said on Courtside last night that Przy will opt out next summer, and MB should know since the two families are close

I still expect KP to offer Joel an extension, unless Przy asks to be traded (Wolves?) But after re-reading Noelle’s comments at the time of the “last” extension, it’s hard to fathom why Joel would move on to another NBA city now, with the team on the cusp of winning a title.

We’ll just have to wait and see how this “money vs loyalty” tug of war is resolved, in the next 12 months

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by two4larue on Aug 18, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Minny always boos Joel

So I’d be surprised if he went there… he is their Kevin Love I guess. Hometown kid who enrages the fans over some bullcrap from his childhood.

I’d be more than mildly surprised if Joel gets much more than the 7 million he gets now, with his age and skillset. Now, we can’t undervalue his level of talent and try to screw him, but what he gets paid is very fair for everyone. I can’t see another team paying him much more, and when you combine the equal pay with being a part of a special team he helped build, and staying with KP, Nate, The Mikes, his friends on the team, their friends in the community, etc…

If Joel isn’t a Trail Blazer after his current contract runs out, it’s likely because we traded him. Or, someone went crazy and gave him 8-10 million bucks. I don’t think either are incredibly likely to happen.

Morty

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It only raises the question will we pay $6-7M per year for a backup center?

When his contract runs out.

(Thinking about Otis Smith, Orlando GM, saying he would not pay $5M for a backup center this year and then doing it).

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say, please!

That’s a fair price for a dependable backup like Joel, especially in a 7+ footer.

Even if it’s just 12 minutes a game. Interior defense wins games, and if we got it for 48 minutes, we’ll win a lot. Even without knowing we can afford it because of our owner, I say if you can have as good of a backup as Joel (a guy willing to be a backup and does everything ya ask him to do), then you pay that marginal bit extra.

5 million for a backup not as good as him would be fair, like Gortat, and is at least what we’d have to pay anyone else who would be good enough for a team as good as ours. A little extra for Joel isn’t gonna hurt us, when he gives us so much in a backup role.

The only reason I say he won’t make much more, is that I can’t see anyone using actual cap space to sign Joel… not 8+ million of it. He’ll only get MLE from a team not under the cap, making it so we can offer as much as anyone, and not need a hometown discount or anything like that.

So personally, I say 7 million for a backup who is as good as a lot of the starters in this league is more than fair, even just for insurance.

Morty

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Joel is a large, pale rock upon which our team is anchored. We always know exactly what we’ll get from him, and sometimes we’re pleasantly surprised by a breakout game (rebounds / points / blocks well above the average). Plus he’s tougher than the entire team (minus Blake and Rex) put together.

by DonkeyShins on Aug 18, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect we would pay over MLE

to retain Joel. The only thing is KP might not want to tie up 5 more years, and Joel will be looking for that.

One big factor is if Nate uses Greg and Joel together at times this year, and finds it effective. If so, then Joel is not only our backup center, he helps provide injury cover for PF, which increases his value.

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by jscot on Aug 19, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

If LMA can rest while those two are in we might have the best big-man rotation in the league.

It would certainly solve our minutes problem for both and our lack of experience behind LMA. The key to that is Greg hitting the jump hook and adding a jump shot. With Andre to create both Joel and Greg can score together but doesn’t one have to draw the defense out a little ways (don’t think it will be Joel)?

by lee3022 on Aug 19, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

A double low post offense can work

I think you send one down low on each side of the lane, and put three distance shooters on the court with them. Dump it in to Greg and he has to draw the double team, at which point it is either Joel wide open for the dunk or somebody else wide open for the 3. And I like our chances at the rebound if the 3 misses.

On defense, you probably zone, unless the other team is running a big strong PF who isn’t too quick for Greg.

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by jscot on Aug 20, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

and they could set double-screens for Martell and Rudy

if Nate wants to run the set where the shooters curl off screens

I still want a 4th veteran big man, though. Counting on getting through a season and post-season with only 3 experienced big men is like taking a cross-country trip without a spare tire in the trunk

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by two4larue on Aug 21, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that could be effective

though we might face some kind of modified zone. A zone won’t stop the inside-out threat for the open 3, but it limits the effectiveness of the double screens.

The point wasn’t whether or not we need another big, but ways that Joel could have increased value (justifying a bigger salary). If a Joel/Greg combo works for 5-10 mpg, then you can give Joel 25 mpg and Greg 30, and you really are only looking for injury cover.

Can you imagine the rebounding power? We might get 40% of offensive rebounds.

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by jscot on Aug 22, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The team that might pay Joel and can is OKC

They have lots of offense and perimeter players and Joel would be a defensive rebounding anchor for them. I can see them paying $8M.

Not that want that to happen.

by lee3022 on Aug 19, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be a little surprised

Joel probably has 3-4 more good years after this one, and OKC’s window of contention is still probably a couple of years away. I think they’ll look for a longer term solution.

If they click and win 50 games this year, that might be different.

But I don’t expect Joel to opt out, and OKC probably won’t have the cap flexibility by summer 2011.

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by jscot on Aug 20, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've already gotcha covered on that with the last footnote.
RT: the chances of Joel opting out of his 2010-11 deal would seem to be remote.
Mike Barrett said on Courtside last night that Przy will opt out next summer, and MB should know since the two families are close

I will bet MB one beer on this. Joel’s agent is not that stupid to trade in a $7.4M contract for the opportunity to sign somewhere else at MLE.

Remember, DAVID FRICKING LEE can’t land a $10M deal, and he is the SuperMegaStatomatic compared to Pryz, who is a killer rebounder without the offensive output…

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by timbo on Aug 19, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you have it pegged

Joel’s agent is not that stupid, and Joel is not stupid enough to ignore his agent.

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by jscot on Aug 20, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great pieces timbo

both one and two

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by babar1 on Aug 18, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

More Przybilla Pictures for Everyone!!

A nice wallpaper of young Pryz

Stylin’

Joel on Draft Day

For Mortimer, Hawks Przy

by GBear on Aug 18, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice work!

Like Timbo mentions, it’s no easy task finding Joel in a Hawks jersey. He indeed appears to be the fattest man who ever lived in the above photo.

Nice find!

Morty

by Mortimer on Aug 18, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

As you can see

he is clearly trying to hide his double chin

by GBear on Aug 18, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

That dude is so fat his shirt needs another number...

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by timbo on Aug 19, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joel

What a great story about my second favorite. Joel, if Brandon weren’t on the team,you would be my # 1.

Your work ethic is fantastic. I love the way you block shots and always give it your all on every play. I give you all the credit in the world. I love your plays,pick and roll,and screens for other players.

You are something special. I love you as a player on my favorite team.

by peacequiet on Aug 18, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I want to play Orlando in the NBA finals this year

Howard & Gortat vs Oden & Pryzbilla ought to be a great contest

Of course B-Roy vs Vince is the headlines.

Thank you Timbo for the research and the excellent presentation. Getting a link from Henry Abbott’s True hoop is pretty special (and well deserved) as well. I assume you noticed that on your link to Hollinger’s stats not only is Joel number 1 in RebR but Greg is number 8. Howard is number 2 and Gortat is number 6. Fascinating match-ups.

by lee3022 on Aug 18, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Joel….Blazer for life

by Ragermack on Aug 19, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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